battery charging mA - Motorola Atrix 2

hey guys i am having two chargers, one the stock one and another from htc hd2
when ever i charge my battery with stock charger., it takes 3 hours to get 100 pc and mA seen with my battery monitor widget is 570 mA
but if i use htc charger it charges in 1.45 hours and mA varies in 600 to 1200
should i use htc charger??
will it harm my phone or battery??
please reply fast

hemanbond said:
hey guys i am having two chargers, one the stock one and another from htc hd2
when ever i charge my battery with stock charger., it takes 3 hours to get 100 pc and mA seen with my battery monitor widget is 570 mA
but if i use htc charger it charges in 1.45 hours and mA varies in 600 to 1200
should i use htc charger??
will it harm my phone or battery??
please reply fast
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Probably not the best idea to bark orders like, "please reply fast", especially at this particular time in this forum.
Your mA should be somewhere in the neighborhood of 4350mA fully charged. What you've stated above doesn't make sense.
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What you are seeing is the difference between a low amperage charger and higher amperage charge (or watts if you prefer)
The so called "rapid chargers" will push a higher milliAmp to charge devices quicker
i.e. the difference between an iPhone charger and an iPad charger iPhone = 5volts 1amp, iPad = 5volts 2+amp (technically is 2watts, but i'm not in the mood to convert to amps)
Now whether or not it may damage your phone I can not answer, however I have been using a 2watt iPad charger on my phone for quite some time with no ill effects... just charges a we bit quicker.

mA is per second ...have u ever seen battery monitor widget??
should i use htc charger or not?

I don't have to see battery monitor widget.
mA or milliamp or even milliampere is a measurement of electrical current through any given conductor (the amount of power something can push or pull at any given time)
Batteries are rated in milliamphour or mAh, which is the amount of current a battery can store and release in any given hour.
The HTC charger shouldn't cause any problems because the battery charging controller should be built into the phone and the batteries are protected to hinder overcharge or over-discharge.
However, I will not state that it cannot cause any issues because I'm not a Moto engineer, so I don't know for sure what the hardware can withstand.
But, as I said earlier, I charge my phone on an iPad charger consistantly, and have not had any ill effects as of yet, and I can almost guarantee that the iPad charger pushes more current than your HTC charger.
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Which Battery Monitor Widget are you using? Made by 3c? or fsinib?
I'll check what my phone states while charging on the iPad charger.

nephillim said:
I don't have to see battery monitor widget.
mA or milliamp or even milliampere is a measurement of electrical current through any given conductor (the amount of power something can push or pull at any given time)
Batteries are rated in milliamphour or mAh, which is the amount of current a battery can store and release in any given hour.
The HTC charger shouldn't cause any problems because the battery charging controller should be built into the phone and the batteries are protected to hinder overcharge or over-discharge.
However, I will not state that it cannot cause any issues because I'm not a Moto engineer, so I don't know for sure what the hardware can withstand.
But, as I said earlier, I charge my phone on an iPad charger consistantly, and have not had any ill effects as of yet, and I can almost guarantee that the iPad charger pushes more current than your HTC charger.
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Which Battery Monitor Widget are you using? Made by 3c? or fsinib?
I'll check what my phone states while charging on the iPad charger.
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it is battery monitor widget pro which has features like history update rate and history size
i dont know much about maker though.
but ur post was very helpflu
thankyou sir

Always glad and willing to help. I'll check out the Pro version and let you know what I find.
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I've got the app installed, have to wait for a full charge cycle before it will start returning proper current... I'll let you know what I find A.S.A.P.

I've been using the 2 Amp HP Touchpad charger for almost 6 months without any ill effects.

Hey i was just curious whether more electricity flowing through my phone would damage it but as you all guys said it wont as the battery has some anti overcharging system and you guys have been using other then stock chargers ...then im also using ...thanx to all

Motorola has a Travel Charger that apparently supplies 8watts which converted at a fixed 5volts is 1.6Amps or 1600mA
Motorola states that it is compatible with our phone...... I think we'll all be just fine with whatever charger you want to use!
http://www.motorola.com/us/consumers/P833-Travel-Charger-For-Tablets-and-Phones/102614,en_US,pd.html

some info
hemanbond said:
hey guys i am having two chargers, one the stock one and another from htc hd2
when ever i charge my battery with stock charger., it takes 3 hours to get 100 pc and mA seen with my battery monitor widget is 570 mA
but if i use htc charger it charges in 1.45 hours and mA varies in 600 to 1200
should i use htc charger??
will it harm my phone or battery??
please reply fast
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i've been using battery monitor widget & system tuner (both free) for nearly 1.5 month
the current u r seeing "570mA" with stock charger is ur charging current +/- ur consumption current
another charging current "600-1200" is from htc charger
our stock charger has max o/p capacity of 850mA @ 5.1V .... similarly u can check htc's o/p capacity (i guess it is 1.2A @ 5V)
observe your consumption while heavy/moderate usage & standby it will vary
it is simply average current consumed in 10 min. timespan (pretty sure we can't change it)
m plannin to buy both after stable ICS release
tc njoy :highfive:

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High powered USB car charger?

Hi all,
Can anyone recommend a high mAh output usb car charger? It has to be one with a detachable USB lead.
The one I have currently takes forever just to charge the device by a 1% increment. It doesn't also seem to provide enough power when for example I have sat-nav/GPS running (the device still drops in battery power).
Thanks.
dont even think....
dont even think about it.... i got a charger that does 2 amps instead of 1 amp and guess what my battery blew up!
So what's optimal/maximum amp rating that I can use?
The one I have I would say is pretty much useless when using battery hungry applications/services.
Just tried to check my existing charger but there is no rating on it.
Would I able right in saying the following:
A charger with a 1000 mAh, would charge my battery by 1000 mA in a hour?
I believe HTC official chargers have a rating of 1000 mAh too right? Mine one may well be 500 I would guess.
How quick do other peoples car charger charge their Diamonds?
sh500 said:
So what's optimal/maximum amp rating that I can use?
The one I have I would say is pretty much useless when using battery hungry applications/services.
Just tried to check my existing charger but there is no rating on it.
Would I able right in saying the following:
A charger with a 1000 mAh, would charge my battery by 1000 mA in a hour?
I believe HTC official chargers have a rating of 1000 mAh too right? Mine one may well be 500 I would guess.
How quick do other peoples car charger charge their Diamonds?
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A charger's specification would never indicate the mAh ( milliamp hour)rating, but would indicate the maximum current it can supply while maintaining an operating voltage (for usb its 5Volts.)
in answer to your question: yes your charger needs to supply more current when you have your Diamond operating and charging at the same time. not all chargers are made equal. some may max out by 500mA, therefore your diamond wont charge at all if its on. as far as I know, most chargers are rated to supply 2A (or 2000mA)
another thing: your diamond uses its own charging circuitry to recharge and maintain its battery. just because a charging adapter says it charges at 1000mAh, i doubt it would actually recharge your battery from 0% capacity to full% capacity in an hour(it just doesnt work that way, and if it did, then your battery could blow up).
as for my own diamond, i seems that it takes around 3-4 hours to get from 0% to full when it is off and using my stock 950mAh.
doing a little math here: 950mAh / 4 hours = ~250mA
therefor in order to recharge your battery, the charging adapter needs to supply 250mA.
but if your diamond is ON and you want to recharge then your charging adapter needs to supply 250mA AND and additional amount of current to maintain your diamonds power.
if youre still able to follow with what im saying here, you may conclude that you just have a DUD charger and you should just buy another one.
as for the other guy who said that a 2Ah charger blew his battery up. I'm a bit skeptical. I think your chargering circuit in your diamond is more likely to fry before blowing a battery up (and if a lithium battery blew up it would have taken out his entire diamond).
Yep, that all makes sense.
By chance, My battery (1800mAH) totally died last night. Put it on car charger and after almost exactly a hours worth of charging, the battery indicated 1% (!) Mind TomTom was running for about 30 minutes of that.
Ok time to buy a new higher rated charger I think. Any recommendations for one with a USB port on it?
Thanks.
i've been looking for one liek that on e-bay as well but i cannot seem to find one. having a detachable usb cord would be nice, but now that i think about it maybe i am better off finding one with a non detachable cable in the event that I dont have a usb cable around.
Yeah, I wouldn't normally mind one with an attached cord but the setup in my car is such that I already have a semi hard wired a usb from a 12v supply and have the [USB] cable hidden then have it pop out near to my car holder.
bingo
http://cgi.ebay.ca/USB-Cable-Car-Ch...|66:2|65:12|39:1|240:1318|301:0|293:12|294:50
Check out Avantek. This charger works so much faster than any other charger I have. My Note goes from zero to hero in no time flat.

[Q] What chager comes with HTC Sensation?

Hi,
I bought HTC Sensation as a second-hand (used) phone, and I got a charger which has written "Made in China" on it.
Although it does look like the same as I see in unboxing videos, i have some confusions. So, I tried to charge my phone with it and left it overnight. The battery was half charged in that long time and was losing charge percentage if used heavily while charging.
Since then, I did some attempts and notices following results:
>I used my brother's Sony Xperia Arc's charger on my phone and the results (charging speed) are better now.
>I also used Samsung's USB cable to charge via pc and it is also giving good results.
>When I used HTC's (so called) usb cable which I am using for charger to 'connect and charge' via laptop, it shows same result as when connected to charger.
>It was written Charging (USB) when charging via HTC charger and Charging (AC) when charging via Sony's charger.
>I can also see a noticeable difference that HTC's (again, so called) charger has output of 200mA and Sony's original charger has output of 850mA.
I understand that this makes a big difference.
Now, I want to ask that does HTC really give chargers of 200mA?
Finally, coming back to the title, how can I recognize if my charger is fake or not? Any indications etc.?
(I am trying to attach some pictures of it).
Aaaaaand, one more question!
Does battery always drop down by 10-15% or even 30% if I use camera for less than 10 minutes or is 'my' battery having problems?
Ur charger is original but I think the adaptar has problems as I do hve the same charger with 200mah it's f9 my phones gets charged
N Ya HTC is renowned in worest battery n update sectors
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U on stock Rom?
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shrex said:
Ur charger is original but I think the adaptar has problems as I do hve the same charger with 200mah it's f9 my phones gets charged
N Ya HTC is renowned in worest battery n update sectors
hit thanks if I hve hlped you
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U on stock Rom?
hit thanks if I hve hlped you
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adapter problems? i don't get it. (I'm a noob :-/ )
yes I am on stock ROM.
I want to buy a new charger but should I buy an htc charger with 200mah if I am given this option or should I look for a higher power, like 850mah?
And, can you tell me what is your average battery life? And what is your average charging time in hours?
Btw I have hit the thanks button, I feel like it's my duty to hit thanks whenever someone helps me
Thanks a lot for your reply.
If u want to buy the charger I'll prefer u buy an HTC original charger even its 200mah
My bettery life 3g 5 to 6 hrs n 2g is around 8 or might one hour up n down ....
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N I hve to charge full night for full battery but it gets charged very fast bfore it reaches 80%
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shrex said:
If u want to buy the charger I'll prefer u buy an HTC original charger even its 200mah
My bettery life 3g 5 to 6 hrs n 2g is around 8 or might one hour up n down ....
hit thanks if I hve hlped you
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N I hve to charge full night for full battery but it gets charged very fast bfore it reaches 80%
hit thanks if I hve hlped you
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Thanks for your reply, it's really helpful.
and yes mine also charges very fast till 80% (with Sony charger)
Do you use it continuously and heavily with very short breaks for 8 hours or does it just sleep on standby?
If I leave mine on standby, it drops only zero to 5% charge in whole night. If I use it for like 6 hours while installing apps and browsing via opera mini, it drops down from 100% to 30%, sometimes even lesser.
I bought many adapters from Ebay, and all were fakes, If you would put original and fake charger together you would see little differences like little bit moved logo. Also it depends on cable, do not you longer than 1,5m. I have 2,5m cable and it is behaves as you written, it is too long distance for it, I do not really undarstand it but it does not charge it normaly. Normaly you should buy 1A charger. I bought 0,5A external charger and it has same results as you mentioned. 850mAh should be allright but I thing that best you can do if you are going to use more USB charging ports - buy on Ebay 4 USB PORT charger witch gives really good result and best thing that you can charger 4 things at same time on your cables. I am using it all time. That was best investment in chargers. Price about 7€
All is well HTC phones behave the same way
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Beloch said:
I bought many adapters from Ebay, and all were fakes, If you would put original and fake charger together you would see little differences like little bit moved logo. Also it depends on cable, do not you longer than 1,5m. I have 2,5m cable and it is behaves as you written, it is too long distance for it, I do not really undarstand it but it does not charge it normaly. Normaly you should buy 1A charger. I bought 0,5A external charger and it has same results as you mentioned. 850mAh should be allright but I thing that best you can do if you are going to use more USB charging ports - buy on Ebay 4 USB PORT charger witch gives really good result and best thing that you can charger 4 things at same time on your cables. I am using it all time. That was best investment in chargers. Price about 7€
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Thanks a lot for your input. I will buy htc charger because sensation users have told me that the charger is fine and that the problem is with mine only. I don't think that length of cable can be the problem because my SE's charger is a bit longer than htc's and it charges faster. My old Nokia's charger length was also very long and it also used to charge quickly, actually it still does (on other nokias). I will buy from market.
Normaly you should buy 1A charger
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what's 1A ? I have only heard that mAh determines the speed of charger. Is Ampere and mAh similar?
usman farhat said:
Thanks a lot for your input. I will buy htc charger because sensation users have told me that the charger is fine and that the problem is with mine only. I don't think that length of cable can be the problem because my SE's charger is a bit longer than htc's and it charges faster. My old Nokia's charger length was also very long and it also used to charge quickly, actually it still does (on other nokias). I will buy from market.
what's 1A ? I have only heard that mAh determines the speed of charger. Is Ampere and mAh similar?
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1A is 1000mAh. My charger is a 1A 5v output. 200mAh sounds a little low. Even a USB port is 500mAh.
usman farhat said:
Thanks for your reply, it's really helpful.
and yes mine also charges very fast till 80% (with Sony charger)
Do you use it continuously and heavily with very short breaks for 8 hours or does it just sleep on standby?
If I leave mine on standby, it drops only zero to 5% charge in whole night. If I use it for like 6 hours while installing apps and browsing via opera mini, it drops down from 100% to 30%, sometimes even lesser.
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Don't worry if the battery takes more time to charge aboove 80%, it is due to the electrolyte in the battery....the material used has that characteristic....and it is used widely...it cannot be helped as of now....
ferrao_malchom said:
Don't worry if the battery takes more time to charge aboove 80%, it is due to the electrolyte in the battery....the material used has that characteristic....and it is used widely...it cannot be helped as of now....
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yes I know this, if i have 80% charge, I already have enough to fulfil my most requirements..
Hope they invent batteries with more capacity soon
3484jacks said:
1A is 1000mAh. My charger is a 1A 5v output. 200mAh sounds a little low. Even a USB port is 500mAh.
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Thanks, I will be looking for 850-1000mAh
Hi mate.. Don't worry about original HTC charger.. Numbers on it are lil bit confusing but it outputs 1000mA(1A) so its powerfull enough to charge any phone out there if not broken or st..
Hello,
your charger seems ok, when you carefully look on sticker, there are input and output characteristics. For input you have 240V and 200mA (current is irrelevant for input, it is lower because of high voltage on input) and for output 5V and 1A (you should look at this value of current) which is normal for original chargers. If you have battery fully charged in 2h than you dont need to buy another one. Charging is always faster on the beginning because of higher voltage difference and on the and it slows and probably change charging type so dont worry, it is ok.
mAh is value for capacity (battery capacity based on current usage), mA is for current value (current usage, charging current etc.), very big difference...
mAh (milliampere-hour) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ampere-hour
mA (milliampere) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ampere
Regards
Thanks for your replies.. The charger whose images I had posted is still sleeping in my drawer because it charged very VERY slowly (yes, it's in caps). I thought that it was original and had some problem in that specific set. So, I bought a same new charger of 1A and I mistakenly connected in on a wall socket which was slightly loose. After some minutes, it started making noises of continuous sparks within it. So I disconnected and tried on another socket without the mobile connected this time. So the charger again produced a big spark which affected the voltage of whole house for a second, thank God it did not touch me. It now rests in garbage. Now I bought same charger again thinking that the loose socket part was my fault, but the same thing happened again when I connected it on another SLIGHTLY loose socket, where all chargers of home normally go. And I got the same results. So then I realized that I am not going to get an original one. Finally I bought a kyocera charger, for 1.5$ (converted amount) which is still working by the grace of God.

No Charger?

What charger should I use? It comes with the wire but no adapter. What voltage should the adapter be as I do not want to ruin the battery of the Moto G.
I have a Samsung Galaxy S2 and HTC One X charger.
Any USB charger will be fine, they're all 5v. The cheaper ones will have a low mAh though.
Both your Samsung and HTC ones are suitable.
No charger? thats a bummer..
it means that charging time would be varied depending of the source. Not a wise move here by Motorola since people might buy cheap charger and ruined the user experience. Especially when they're targeting 1st time smartphone consumer in less develop country
hmm..
It's going to get more and more common as the world is flooded with USB chargers.
Well not really true... Here in germany every shop adds the adapter to the package themselves. Most of them added a 1000mA one, because it doesnt ruin the battery that fast. You can see that in pretty much every unboxing video. But in fact we e.g already got like 5-6 chargers in our households, so what...
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As it would be my first smartphone, I'm looking into the wall plugs. I've found one in my local shop for ~10 euros. It's from Philips, with 5V/10,5W/2,1A and has two USB sockets (that's why it's 2 amps).
My question is, as I've no experience with smartphones, how long would it take to charge from 0 to 100?
With that charger it would take roughly 2 hours to charge your device with 2075 mAh battery.
The Brazilian 16gb dual chip edition comes with a charger.
duhprest said:
What charger should I use? It comes with the wire but no adapter. What voltage should the adapter be as I do not want to ruin the battery of the Moto G.
I have a Samsung Galaxy S2 and HTC One X charger.
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LOL... I was surprised as well, when got the box (a tiny package similar to iPhone) and found only phone and USB cable inside.
But don't worry, any charger with 1A will do the job, so your chargers from S2/HOX will be OK.
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Well not really true... Here in germany every shop adds the adapter to the package themselves. Most of them added a 1000mA one, because it doesnt ruin the battery that fast. You can see that in pretty much every unboxing video. But in fact we e.g already got like 5-6 chargers in our households, so what...
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That's nice attitude towards customers...
I am using the old HTC charger (1A),which came with HTC Diamond (has a nice glowing HTC logo ) and its OK. It charges battery fully within 100 minutes when phone is OFF.
Will try also 400mA (Alcatel) to see what's the difference.
I use only branded chargers, as had issues with some cheap aftermarket chargers in the past.
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Most of them added a 1000mA one, because it doesnt ruin the battery that fast.
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That's just silly, PM chips actually limit your charging current. So 2000mA charger won't do you any harm and would come in handy while charging pads.
levizx said:
That's just silly, PM chips actually limit your charging current. So 2000mA charger won't do you any harm and would come handy while charging pads.
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It may depends on phone make/model.
I've used few times 2A charger from Samsung Note 2 and phone/battery become hot and battery didn't lasted long... Also during charge it had hissing sound, so back to 1A chargers and all OK.
I think lower output does charge battery longer, but battery last longer as well...
Will get back when charge with 400mA charger (probably on Tuesday or Wednesday )
aspot72 said:
It may depends on phone make/model.
I've used few times 2A charger from Samsung Note 2 and phone/battery become hot and battery didn't lasted long... Also during charge it had hissing sound, so back to 1A chargers and all OK.
I think lower output does charge battery longer, but battery last longer as well...
Will get back when charge with 400mA charger (probably on Tuesday or Wednesday )
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I guess that could happen with bad pm chips. But I've never seen this behavier on any Moto phones so far.
levizx said:
I guess that could happen with bad pm chips. But I've never seen this behavier on any Moto phones so far.
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I can't comment on this as my last Motorola was the StarTAC 130 some 15 years ago
aspot72 said:
I can't comment on this as my last Motorola was the StarTAC 130 some 15 years ago
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I think with pretty much with every Snapdragon chip you get the bundled PM chip, and the last bad experience I had with a Snapdragon was with 8225/q and that was just inaccurate battery reading. I would think anything newer would handle 2a charger just fine.
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I think with pretty much with every Snapdragon chip you get the bundled PM chip, and the last bad experience I had with a Snapdragon was with 8225/q and that was just inaccurate battery reading. I would think anything newer would handle 2a charger just fine.
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Well, thanks to MotoG's superb battery back up I don't mind what charger and how long does it takes.Now I need to charge only twice a week, unlike with my previous devices, as they needed every 2nd day. Sticking with my favorite HTC 1A charger
Long-term reduction in battery capacity using high amperage charger
levizx said:
That's just silly, PM chips actually limit your charging current. So 2000mA charger won't do you any harm and would come in handy while charging pads.
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I only partly agree with you here. Although the Moto G will restrict charging to a maximum of 1500mA, so using a 2A charger will not cause any direct damage to the phone circuitry or immediate damage to the battery; using a higher amperage, fast 2A charger to charge at 1500mA over time will likely cause more reduction in battery capacity. See this XDA post for my logic in coming to this conclusion:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2564158
UPDATE and CORRECTION:
I have more authoritative information directly from Battery University that changes the conclusion I draw above based on my effort to extrapolate from the Battery University website article.
The extrapolation I did in the post listed above was based on the additional loss of battery capacity cited when going from a 1C to 2C charging rate. But according to direct communication from Battery University, when charging at a rate below .7C there should be no measurable improvement to capacity by using slower charging rates. Charging above .7C would still be expected to add more stress to Lithium Ion Polymer batteries and likely add to long-term reduction of capacity.
So, what this means for the Moto G and Nexus 5 is that there should be no measurable difference between charging with 2A, 1.2A, 1A, or 850mA chargers as far as effect on long-term battery capacity goes. Both the Moto G and Nexus 5 are supposed to automatically restrict the charge rate at 1500mA even when using a faster charger, which is just at or below .7C for both phones. So, as long as the charger dependably keeps to 5V, a higher amperage 2A charger will be faster but pose no problem to long-term capacity.

Fast charging? Is it safe?

First of all . Every night when I go to bed, I like to plug my phone in and charge it while I sleep.
6-7 hrs or so.
Is there a way to stop this fast charge feature , or turn it off. It's a cool addition, however I feel I'm doing more harm leaving it plugged in all night??
Could I just use my old blackberry charger block instead?
markdexter said:
First of all . Every night when I go to bed, I like to plug my phone in and charge it while I sleep.
6-7 hrs or so.
Is there a way to stop this fast charge feature , or turn it off. It's a cool addition, however I feel I'm doing more harm leaving it plugged in all night??
Could I just use my old blackberry charger block instead?
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Technically , yes you can use any charger you'd like. You don't have to stick with the fast charger. I will though , highlight that the fast charger is optimized for the S6 battery and the battery is optimized for it , so there is no harm in keeping the charger plugged in.
You can't damage the battery if you leave it on all night. All phones have special circuitry to stop charging once the battery is full.
Fast charge works by increasing the voltage, not the current. This is a much safer approach for increasing the power transfer from charger to phone. As it is primarily the amperage that increases thermal output etc.
Although the phone will get warm initially while charging, all phones will. But when the battery reaches full capacity, the battery circuit actually says "okie dokie. I've got what I need now. Let's just trickle charge to keep me full till my boss is ready" and hardly any power will flow through, and the temperature will drop.
Actually makes me wonder about setting up a temp/time monitor while charging to see exactly what happens and when now :3
But as others have said, both charger and battery are optimised for it, and it is plenty safe enough. It's what I do!
There is also nothing stopping you using any other (safe and preferably branded) 5v 1A charger. It will just charge slower. Much like what you are already used to. 3-4 hours instead of 1-1.5ish hours.
solitarymonkey said:
Fast charge works by increasing the voltage, not the current.
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Forgive me, I dropped my electrical engineering major, but when we're dealing with direct current, doesn't increasing the voltage by definition increase the current if the resistance doesn't change?
I used the Ampere app to compare the regular charger, from which the phone pulled around a half of an amp, with the fast charger, from which the phone pulled a full amp.
Sallyty said:
Battery life depends on the number of repeated charge and discharge, so should avoid charging the battery is more than power, it will shorten the battery life.
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I'm not really sure what you mean by " so should avoid charging the battery is more than power", but battery lifespan in lithium batteries is decreased by FULL discharges and recharges. The best possible routine for making lithium batteries last is to charge early and often. And as genetichazzard pointed out, there is circuitry included that stops the charging (or trickles it) once it reaches full charge.
"Rapid charging", in general, will cost you life in batteries, but that is usually in reference to 4A-6A rapid charging, where this new Samsung charger still does not exceed 2A. I trust their battery engineers. They've one of two things: they have either engineered the batteries and chargers to last in their first sealed body phone, or they are trying to screw us by making a battery/charging system that will force us to pay for a costly battery replacement. They won't stay in business much longer if they go the second route.
flu13 said:
Forgive me, I dropped my electrical engineering major, but when we're dealing with direct current, doesn't increasing the voltage by definition increase the current if the resistance doesn't change?
I used the Ampere app to compare the regular charger, from which the phone pulled around a half of an amp, with the fast charger, from which the phone pulled a full amp.
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I have no idea of the complexities in the technology, or how the phone itself deals with the current from the charger. But I looked at the fast charger that came with my s6 last night, and it is rated like this;
9V 1.67A
5V 2A
The 9V output provides a 15W of power, whereas the the 5V output provides 10W of power.
And after a little bit of reading (can't site my source now as I forgot the website), it is the current that generates heat in the components (such as wires).
So by upping the voltage, the charger is able to transfer more energy to the phone safer than if manufacturers continued to just increase the current.
There will be a smart switching method of some sort within the charger to go from the 5V circuit to the 9V circuit, with a slightly higher resistance to drop the current.
And before I ramble on without making much sense, that is what I have learnt
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I think you are right,Maybe phones have special circuitry to stop charging once the battery is full.
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You are right. Chargers and rechargeable batteries as a whole have been getting "more intelligent" over recent years.
No idea exactly how they do it, I know that a lot of batteries have chips in the that monitor things such as charge capacity and its "health". So I am assuming that they have some form of circuit switch to a higher resistance circuit when the battery is full, so that only a very tiny current can flow, keeping the battery full, without killing it.
solitarymonkey said:
No idea exactly how they do it, I know that a lot of batteries have chips in the that monitor things such as charge capacity and its "health". So I am assuming that they have some form of circuit switch to a higher resistance circuit when the battery is full, so that only a very tiny current can flow, keeping the battery full, without killing it.
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Almost always, the circuit is built into the charging device, not the battery. In the case of phone batteries, the phone is the charging device.
Link to more than any non battery engineer needs to know about lithium-ion batteries and charging.
DevonSloan said:
Almost always, the circuit is built into the charging device, not the battery. In the case of phone batteries, the phone is the charging device.
Link to more than any non battery engineer needs to know about lithium-ion batteries and charging.
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Thanks for the link/info. A while after I said all that, I started thinking that it can't be right.
The phone does the regulation, but I'm pretty they (the batteries) do have an integrated chip for health stuff.
Cheers again for the correction!

[MOD][ROOT][TEST] Increase charging current

I've modified a system file to have a faster charging (3100 mA i've set, like the quickcharge of lg g5), original max current is 2300 mA
For now it work only with screen off in future i try to have this with screen on.
Download attachments
extract it
Replace "thermal-engine-845.conf" located in /system/vendor/etc
Reboot
Device may be more hot than usually because it charge more fast but check if became too hot unplug for a while or restore original file in attachment (high temp and fast charging reduce battery life!)
Now i cant test it because my phone is at service for a mic problem but tell me if it work!
I whold strogly advice agqinst this mod as the creator dont even know the difference between mah and mA
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And at what Voltage?
If u alow. 3.1A at 11 volts fast charge u might start a little fire.. Most cabls cant handle that and would melt
maydayind said:
I whold strogly advice agqinst this mod as the creator dont even know the difference between mah and mA
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And at what Voltage?
If u alow. 3.1A at 11 volts fast charge u might start a little fire.. Most cabls cant handle that and would melt
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The stock charger can't do 3A 11 volts so no worries there.
Also on custom roms I was able to get 1.8A 12Volts witch it actually pretty good
Yes but the kernel meshure the resistans in the cable (ohm)
And adopts it current. If u screw with thiis settings and running to high amp on high Ohms the resistans will cause heat....
Thats wye old cable charge bad. Its a security feature to avoid heat by resistance.
Man u shuld realy read upp on this befor postning this
maydayind said:
I whold strogly advice agqinst this mod as the creator dont even know the difference between mah and mA
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And at what Voltage?
If u alow. 3.1A at 11 volts fast charge u might start a little fire.. Most cabls cant handle that and would melt
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Yea mA, sorry for my error i go to correct
3.1Amps at the battery, doesen't matter voltage trought the cable
It can be 5V 3.1 amps, if cable is good with a low resistance measured by the phone , 9V at 1.7 amps, 12V at 1.3amps with a old cable and not so good cable, so max power is always less than max 18 watts (but better than stock ~ 10W)
maydayind said:
Yes but the kernel meshure the resistans in the cable (ohm)
And adopts it current. If u screw with thiis settings and running to high amp on high Ohms the resistans will cause heat....
Thats wye old cable charge bad. Its a security feature to avoid heat by resistance.
Man u shuld realy read upp on this befor postning this
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I use original values of the lg g5 of the quickcharge so i don't think is so dangerous, i don't touch negotiazion of voltage, only the current to the battery, if a cable is old/bad the voltage rise up to 12 volts to avoid heat of the cable, (but probably more heat to the phone due to conversion) Max power still under 18 Watts
I CAN'T SEEM TO FIND THERMAL-ENGINE-845 . I'VE GOT THERMAL-ENGINE.CONFIG (WHICH IS EMPTY) AND THERMAL-ENGINE-NORMAL.CONFIG WHICH DOESN'T HAVE CODE THAT YOU ARE PROVIDING. SORRY I'M NOOB. I'VE GOT XIAOMI REDMI NOTE 7(LAVENDER). HERE IS THE ONLY BATTERY CODE I'VE FOUND IN THERMAL-ENGINE-NORMAL.CONFIG.
[BATTERY_CHARGING_CTL]
algo_type monitor
sampling 10000
sensor quiet_therm
thresholds 37000 38000 41000 42000 43000
thresholds_clr 36000 37000 39000 40000 41000
actions battery battery battery battery battery
action_info 1 2 4 5 6
Thanks
thanks for uploading this setting, it works perfectly on my lg g7. by any chance you don't have a configuration for the thermal throttling of the cpu?
Not Work Android 10
This is not working on Android 10. I already tried it.
Just so everyone is clear, amperage is pulled by a device, not driven by the charger. That means if you tell your device to pull more amps than the charger or wires are rated for, the charger or wires may heat up and can cause a fire, or at least can cause the charger to burn out one of its components. I'm not saying that will happen, but that it can, and you should be careful when trying anything like this. Electricity is awesome, but it can be really dangerous if not treated carefully.
s20fe5g fast charge ? thermal engine not work

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