Hi,
How does the one s compare to other phones in terms of signal strength? Mine seems to be the worst compared to a Motorola krzr, a HTC Kaiser or Nokia 6210i.
When I grab the 1s low, it looses connection.
Perhaps I need to have it replaced?
Regards
V
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That might be cause the phone antenna is under the lower case
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Moin,
Danke für den Tipp.
You're right. Shielding the antenna in the lower part of the 1s makes it close to useless. I just wandered if it's reception is really so bad.
Thanks
V
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v said:
Moin,
Danke für den Tipp.
You're right. Shielding the antenna in the lower part of the 1s makes it close to useless. I just wandered if it's reception is really so bad.
Thanks
V
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"You're holding it wrong". Honestly, all smartphones have the cell antennas in the bottom...this one just seems especially prone to low signal, especially when the bottom is covered. I attribute it to the metal enclosure.
The antennas are in the plastic covers at top and bottom here are schematics http://www.anandtech.com/show/5868/htc-one-s-review-international-and-tmobile/7
Thanks for all your responses!
Today I talked to my supplier.
The support guy told me that they have weak signal strength with phones
of a more recent batch that was supposed to fix the chipping finish issue.
Replacement unit is underway.
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Anyone notice that the back cover of the Nexus S has two little gold contacts and some sort of grounding/antenna plane just like the Captivate?
http://cdn.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/NEXUS-S-Hands-on-09-SlashGear-580x359.jpg
And
http://pocketnow.com/html/portal/news/0000011184/backopen.jpg
Perhaps it's only a ground plane or something, but there is a striking resemblance. We already know our Captivates have a little something special (in the back cover mechanism and inclusion of an Audience voice processing chip) that none of the other Galaxy S variants carry. Just speculation, but maybe there's a NFC radio hiding somewhere in our devices and that "ground plane" is actually the antenna. Perhaps if someone can discover what exactly the NFC antenna looks like (if it's internal, or integrated into the back cover of the Nexus S) we could make a better guess.
Unless someone else has a more reasonable explanation?
well thats an interseting theory. kind of a stretch though, any number of things it can be. i mean because the nexus has two contact points and has nfc doesnt mean that the points are related to nfc. i think that the cappy not having nfc is evidence that the backplate is not used for nfc. but we may have un used hardware, if i knew more about antennas and nfc and things i guess i could draw a better conclusion.
i can tell you that the round point on the cappy goes to ground through a plating on the back of the plastic over. i made no attempt to trace the contact that is on the board. if someone with knowledge in the area of antennas could coment that would be great but it's probably nothing.
I've noticed this too.
If you tilt the back door at the right angle to the light, you can see a vague pattern (at least on mine) which looks like an RFID antenna in the recessed square on the back. Maybe it's something? RF is not my specialty, but it looks awfully like the pic on the left http://www.new-rfid-concept.com/rfid_and_nfc.html.
Merlin_reloaded said:
I've noticed this too.
If you tilt the back door at the right angle to the light, you can see a vague pattern (at least on mine) which looks like an RFID antenna in the recessed square on the back. Maybe it's something? RF is not my specialty, but it looks awfully like the pic on the left http://www.new-rfid-concept.com/rfid_and_nfc.html.
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Noticed the pattern too. S'why I'm curious what it's for.
Huh, but why would they put an rfid chip in a phone when android is supposed to start using nfc? My guess as to the contact points are wifi antenna contacts. I noticed I get amazing wifi pickup from routers far away. Much better than any other device I've used. Although, no signals loose reception quality when the back plate is off, wifi, cell, gps. Idk. Haven't tried bt though.
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boborone said:
Huh, but why would they put an rfid chip in a phone when android is supposed to start using nfc? My guess as to the contact points are wifi antenna contacts. I noticed I get amazing wifi pickup from routers far away. Much better than any other device I've used. Although, no signals loose reception quality when the back plate is off, wifi, cell, gps. Idk. Haven't tried bt though.
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Doubt it's an actual RFID in the back cover. It's just that little patch on the back cover looks very much looks like an antenna.
Really, I don't think it can be something. A mp3 player I owned for 4 years have something like this too. It's most likely to be something like digital ground just to keep the voltage stable...
Shammyh is correct, it is for NFC.
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Shammyh is correct, it is for NFC.
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What are you saying? The captivate secretly has NFC? Seems a bit far fetched since found this yet. Would be cool though.
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i know this thread is old, but i was searching for the same thing today. after i read this thread here, i found this, explaining some roms that support the chip:
"... Audience Chip support (Captivates have a special chip added that increases call quality... if it is used)." loraqu
@ http://forums.androidcentral.com/t-captivate/111137-cyanogenmod-7-vs-serendipity-vii.html
so i guess its like those weird sticker things they used to sell on tv that claimed "its like adding a 5 foot antenna to your phone!" and im assuming everyone knows by now it cant be nfc because the backplate is metal. i found it interesting, so there it is if anyones still searching.
I was rather disappointed in the GPS performance of my shiny new Desire S...
It was so erratic, I loaded GPS Test app to check out the signal-to-noise ratio.
Then, just out of curiosity I took the aftermarket outer case that I had bought (rubber+plastic) off.
The GPS signal increased dramatically and many more satellites appeared. This effect IS consistent.
I was thinking of modifying the case by cutting a hole in it to improve GPS reception, but I'm not sure where the GPS antenna is located.
I know that phone and WiFi antennas are in the battery cover, but I would suspect that the GPS antenna probably is not.
Anyone know where it is positioned ?
Thanks,
- Steve
Not sure about the Desire S, but I had Legend before and the GPS antenna was behind the camera cover. It was connected to the plastic cover in a similar way the WiFi/phone antenna connects to the battery cover using small metallic terminals. I used elimination to determine which was the GPS.
Interestingly enough, I do not suffer from poor or erratic GPS performance on the Desire S. I get quick fixes from plenty of satellites even in less than ideal conditions, eg, a moving subway train.
Slightly off topic, what I did notice though (using GPS Test) that even with 12 strong satellites, the highest accuracy ever achievable on the Desire S is 9 feet, whereas every other HTC phone I've tried (Legend, and even the very budget Tattoo) goes down to 6 feet accuracy. Wonder why that is?
Oh, maybe it is build into the cover, then. I'm used to seeing ceramic block GPS antennas which never look thin enough to be built into a battery cover.
At least my GPS works quite well too until I add the flexible case on.
I was annoyed that the case attenuates the signal, because it was a particularly expensive and otherwise beautifully made one.
If nobody knows where the antenna is, I might have to do some experiments too.
As for the ultimate accuracy of 9 or 6 feet.. Well I suspect that it's just a subtle difference in the firmware. I don't believe that kind of accuracy is reliably achieveable anyway unless you use Differential GPS techniques - And I presume Qualcomm doesn't add that kind of luxury to their phone chipsets.
- Steve
An update :
I got a GPS lock, and observed satellite signals using GPS Test.
Then I put the DS into airplane mode so no radios were active to mess things up.
Covering the lower part of the case all over (including battery cover and screen) with foil has NO EFFECT.
Covering the upper part of the case around the speaker causes GPS signals to fade away.
The hard plastic cover supplied with my case kit has NO EFFECT.
As soon as I apply the rubber part of the case kit to the upper part of the DS, the GPS signal fades.
Conclusion:
The GPS antenna must be in the upper part of the case
It's the rubber part of my case kit that reduces the GPS signal.
Hope this is if interest!
- Steve
So the GPS suffers from the death touch as well like the wifi since the antenna is at the same place.
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So the GPS suffers from the death touch as well like the wifi since the antenna is at the same place.
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erm.. I thought that the WiFi antenna was in the battery hatch with all the others ?
I reckon that the GPS antenna is probably the other end of the phone up near the camera lens. I've never had a problem with it being obstructed by hand, only by my damn expensive case!
Wifi antenna is at the top too but i thought people already knew this from the famous wifi death touch/grip?
I have only 4 statelite sinal so poor, i cant do anything by this. I only hate my DS because it
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hi all
same issues with GPS here (Portugal).
but also tryed removing the (expensive) hard cover I bought and it started working ok
it catches a lot of satelites and gets a lock real quick...
so try removing the cases!!
edit: getting 10 sat / 10 used in fix - acc-5.0 from GPS... in my attic window...
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I have only 4 statelite sinal so poor, i cant do anything by this. I only hate my DS because it
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I'm so sorry to hear about your problem.
I have many years of experience with different types of GPS and although the DS is not the best I have ever seen, it is not too bad (without the extra case, that is!) Only dedicated GPS units like SIRFstar seem to beat it, and that is understandable.
Do you only get about 4 satellites with the DS out in the open air with no buildings around? It can not work well indoors or sometimes if there are large buildings around.
Have you tried using "GPS Test" or a similar application to clear the AGPS data then load it fresh again?
If all else fails, perhaps your DS is faulty?
- Steve
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I'm so sorry to hear about your problem.
I have many years of experience with different types of GPS and although the DS is not the best I have ever seen, it is not too bad (without the extra case, that is!) Only dedicated GPS units like SIRFstar seem to beat it, and that is understandable.
Do you only get about 4 satellites with the DS out in the open air with no buildings around? It can not work well indoors or sometimes if there are large buildings around.
Have you tried using "GPS Test" or a similar application to clear the AGPS data then load it fresh again?
If all else fails, perhaps your DS is faulty?
- Steve
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Thank you so much for help me
I tried everything i can do i checked outside and on my house. i used gps test, gps stattus, gps-fix. And still problem
I think my DS is faulty. so sad.
My friend have one, and it work better.
An update :
I emailed the manufacturers of my rather expensive case explaining the problem.
They seem to have a good customer service department - I got a speedy reply but they claimed that they were not aware of any issues with cases affecting GPS reception. They say that all their cases are made from the same materials so they would have thought that if there was a problem, it would affect other phones too.
They have promised to pass my information to their engineers - I hope they might get in touch with me!
In the meanwhile, if I can find out precisely where the GPS antenna is on the DS, I might try cutting a gap in the rubber for it. I'm sure that would help.
- Steve
Look into the picture of this post:
http://www.android-hilfe.de/htc-desire-s-forum/133629-schlechte-gps-genauigkeit-verbessern-2.html#post1884901
It must be on the right site.
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Look into the picture of this post:
http://www.android-hilfe.de/htc-desire-s-forum/133629-schlechte-gps-genauigkeit-verbessern-2.html#post1884901
It must be on the right site.
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Oh, Very good indeed !
I don't speak German so I could never have found that.
I shall take a sharp scalpel blade to my rubber case and report back later.
Thanks very much for the information.
- Steve
Case
I use a Case Mate Barely There Case and it doesn't affect GPS, wifi or phone as far as I can tell.
Rick Ohlendorf
I use the Case Mate Barely There Case too, but I doesaffect the GPS for me.
When the case is on, getting a location lock in Navigation is impossible.
When I take it off, I get a lock within seconds.
if you look at the back of ds, upper portion there is 2 small holes, ive always thought that its a hole for wifi and gps. one hole below the flash led, another on right side of speaker.
then on my capdase alumor case, it also has a hole for those 2 hole, so it might confirm my theory that those are antenna holes thats why capdase also made holes for them.
I use a case-mate tough case, a much thicker dual layer heavy duty case, and I get a gps lock just fine with it on.
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I would like to extend the GPS antenna.. I just can't open the cover, how to do? I only managed to scratch it a little..
I have no case,but the signal is very bad.I turn on airplane mode and GPS,it often takes half an hour to get my location...
Best accuracy is about 5 meters.
The cover needs a stick.HTC used some glue.
Hi guys!
I've been using my HTC Sensation for a month now and I'm really reaally happy with it EXCEPT with the WiFi death grip. But I read this earlier today, an article from GSM Arena: http://blog.gsmarena.com/htc-sensat...re-there-different-versions-of-the-sensation/
As you can see, from the article, there are different versions of the back covers for the HTC Sensation.
It seems that the one with 3 contacts in the back cover doesn't experience the death grip at all. So now I am looking at this replacement back cover at ebay that has three contacts: http://www.ebay.ph/itm/ORIGINAL-HTC...asesPouches&hash=item1c1f636ebf#ht_2847wt_960
Im hoping it will fix the death grip issues but first...
Is anyone here using a back cover that has the three contacts inside for the antenna and are you still experiencing the death grip?
I just want to know if this is a worthy spend for the money. Its the perfect phone for me already.
mulawingalang said:
It seems that the one with 3 contacts in the back cover doesn't experience the death grip at all. So now I am looking at this replacement back cover at ebay that has three contacts: http://www.ebay.ph/itm/ORIGINAL-HTC...asesPouches&hash=item1c1f636ebf#ht_2847wt_960
Im hoping it will fix the death grip issues but first...
Is anyone here using a back cover that has the three contacts inside for the antenna and are you still experiencing the death grip?
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The one in the link only has 2 contacts as far as I can see.
I dunno bout you mate but im using the Sensation XE and the back cover on my phone has the same contact points as the one in the picture...
Just to clarify how many contact points does your current phone cover have?
Sorry about that. This one has three antenna contacts at the back: http://www.ebay.ph/itm/NEW-Full-Hou...ltDomain_0&hash=item3f0e652d2a#ht_2175wt_1139
My HTC Sensation has 2 antenna contacts only. Are you experiencing the WiFi death grip on the Sensation XE and do you have 2 or 3 contacts at the back cover? Thanks!
My phone cover has the same number of contacts as the one shown in your first link... So it has 2 contacts i guess...
but on the other hand im pretty close to my wireless extender... Also its running on wireless N... and so far i havent had any issues with my wifi... maybe its cause im using it at home..
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My phone cover has the same number of contacts as the one shown in your first link... So it has 2 contacts i guess...
but on the other hand im pretty close to my wireless extender... Also its running on wireless N... and so far i havent had any issues with my wifi... maybe its cause im using it at home..
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I kinda have the same configuration you have at home. WiFi N and so on. But whenever I hold the top part of my phone, the signal of the WiFi all of a sudden falls from 4 bars to 1 bar or none.
Correct me if I'm wrong but do you think that if change my Sensation's back cover to the one that has 3 antenna connectors, would it help? Thanks!
I've ever asked this question here before.The answer is some say it's worked and some say it didn't,so I decided to not take this risk
There a video on Youtube 'Sensation death grip', the guy is trying to tell you that adding a strip of foil might help? That's not why I mentioned the video though, I mentioned it because I'd noticed that the back on his Sensation has the 3 contacts, possibly suggesting that even his phone has signal problems.
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There a video on Youtube 'Sensation death grip', the guy is trying to tell you that adding a strip of foil might help? That's not why I mentioned the video though, I mentioned it because I'd noticed that the back on his Sensation has the 3 contacts, possibly suggesting that even his phone has signal problems.
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Just watched and you're right. Sigh, I guess the case with the three antenna connectors won't really help. Btw, does the WiFi death grip also apply with the new Sensation XE?
Mine has the 3 contacts and still has the wifi death grip so don't bother finding a 3-contact back; it won't help.
Each contact is for a different antenna.
Someone else posted something similar to this not too long ago regarding the difference between the S4G and SXE back covers. His cover (like mine) has 3 contacts, but the XE cover only had two. I did some looking around and found the FCC filing for the S4G, which lists the 3rd contact to be the GPS antenna. The others are the WLAN (wi-fi) and a "Diversity" antenna. There is a PDF attachment that was submitted to the FCC with the descriptions of each antenna in that thread.
Details in this post: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=18815345&postcount=4
See the whole thread here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1321315
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~T.J.
This has been asked and covered numerous times, it's an extra pin for the 4g version if I'm not mistaken, but users have made 4g work without that extra pin. no biggie.
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Just watched and you're right. Sigh, I guess the case with the three antenna connectors won't really help. Btw, does the WiFi death grip also apply with the new Sensation XE?
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Doesn't seem to have any issues with WiFi so far... and i tried a lot of ways to cover the back of the phone... (palm, pillow, books)
maybe its an issue with WiFi range?
I am currently using a Desie HD, but I may be trading it for a Nexus S. What I want to know, guys (from you, pro users, not home users that barely wake the phone), is :
-does it have a death grip? By that, I reffer to Wi-Fi and 2G/3G. If you hold it with one hand, holding one finger in a specific place on the back, or with two hands, playing something (online, say, like Pocket Legends)... does the signal go down or anything?
-the battery is of 1500 mAh, while my Desire HD's only 1230. There clearly is a difference. I want to know... does it last as long as you would expect? How long, and in what conditions?
-looking at the sound tests GSMArena performs, both the Desire HD AND the Nexus S seem to be in about the same range, with the Nexus S performing somewhat lower (see THIS page, at the middle). I gotta say, my Desire HD fails to impress me. The speaker quality is bad, the volume is low. I sometimes miss calls. F***!
I want to know everything about the possible downsides of this phone before I go ahead and take it.
I'm not asking you anything about the screen, because I will be getting the I9023 (the S-LCD variant). The I9020 just isn't sold here, so... of course... no one has it...
Formhault said:
I am currently using a Desie HD, but I may be trading it for a Nexus S. What I want to know, guys (from you, pro users, not home users that barely wake the phone), is :
-does it have a death grip?
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I have never noticed signal dropping by gripping the phone. I have also never felt like it was going so slowly that I needed to pay attention to it that closely
-the battery is of 1500 mAh,.. does it last as long as you would expect? How long, and in what conditions?
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I am generally pleased with how long the batter lasts. I don't do a lot of streaming of anything and stay on wifi when I can and I make it 14+ hrs till I get below 5%. I do have the screen on a lot (news junkie) plus some light gaming. Anyway the NS is far superior to my samsung vibrant as far as battery life goes.
As far as sound goes I can generally hear everything just fine but I generally don't talk on it in public or where there is much of any background noise.
My vibrant had grip issue this phone doesn't have that problem. Speaker is good. Not sure about new HTC phone but older ones like my nexus one had ****ty speaker
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no death grip and havent come across it anywhere on the net for nexus s..
but prevalent with samsung phones are the weaker than average wifi signal.. also problem connecting to wep encrypted wife hotspot is a widespread problem.
sound wise its a little lower than average i would say.. used an s2 before this and it was loud enough.. do not know if any kernels can fix these issues.
all in all i'm very happy with my phone given all the problems i listed. lcd version here
oh if u flash the ota ics the stock recovery wouldnt show for lcd.. you'd have to get cwm..
but i dont think its worth a sidewaygrade? why not go for sensation for the audio quality..
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no death grip and havent come across it anywhere on the net for nexus s..
but prevalent with samsung phones are the weaker than average wifi signal.. also problem connecting to wep encrypted wife hotspot is a widespread problem.
sound wise its a little lower than average i would say.. used an s2 before this and it was loud enough.. do not know if any kernels can fix these issues.
all in all i'm very happy with my phone given all the problems i listed. lcd version here
oh if u flash the ota ics the stock recovery wouldnt show for lcd.. you'd have to get cwm..
but i dont think its worth a sidewaygrade? why not go for sensation for the audio quality..
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I'm not so sure about this LCD my Desire HD has. I want S-LCD, LCD sucks. And the battery... it's smaller than the one of the Nexus S's.
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I'm not so sure about this LCD my Desire HD has. I want S-LCD, LCD sucks. And the battery... it's smaller than the one of the Nexus S's.
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Doesn't desire HD have a super LCD? And as far as you questions
No death grip for me
Battery for me is ~10-25 hours depending ( most days around 15-20)
Speaker on the back sucks and causes ALOT vibrations that echo into the mic when on speaker phone (use foam tape under battery cover to help) but HP quality is great
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Doesn't desire HD have a super LCD? And as far as you questions
No death grip for me
Battery for me is ~10-25 hours depending ( most days around 15-20)
Speaker on the back sucks and causes ALOT vibrations that echo into the mic when on speaker phone (use foam tape under battery cover to help) but HP quality is great
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The Inspire 4G has a S-LCD. The Desire HD ain't got super. At least according to GSMArena...
My battery is currently about to die, I believe. It seemed to be fine for the first week, but now, once it reaches 40%, it starts to cause problems (such as phone shutoff, freeze, and displays only 11% in less than 20 minutes). I'll be replacing it with a MOMAX X-Level battery in a few days, unless I manage to switch this DHD for a NS instead.
As for the speaker... that sucks. The Desire HD's speaker sucks, too. I just hope Sammy did it better. I'd also like you to explain this whole procedure of using foam tape (duct tape? no?) for the battery cover...
Here is a photo of the model i am speaking of:
http://images.comparecellular.com/phones/1709/2349/HTC-One-S-Back-View.JPG
When in a call, or recording audio/video, the lightest touch from the outside of the phone (whether the edges, or the back) causes a prominent 'shuffling' noise. It's very similar to when you touch a microphone.. I'm hoping a Gel-Skin or case will eliminate the problem.
I recorded a video to demonstrate the noise.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2D054ZxGe9k
Same with Mine, just something you have to live with
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I think there's nothing to do about that. You just have to be careful while recording a video.
Im getting the HTC C740/742 case. Should fix that problem...
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