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When the iPad came out, I basically called it a big iPod touch...and to this day, I feel like it is still that. I see people with an iPhone and an iPad and I wonder WHY?!?!? The iPad only has a handful of special apps just for it. And why go back to that tiny screen on the iPhone? Anyway...
Now that the Android tablets have moved to the nice looking Galaxy Tab 10.1, I am still thinking on the lines that is this just a big Android with out the phone?
To me, I don't see any advantage of adding an Android tablet to my collection when my Infuse pretty much does all it does. Am I wrong here? Just can't justify the cost for a "bigger" android.
To me, Windows 8 looks more intriguing...
A Tablet?
I actually went the other way. After rooting a B&N Nook Color and getting my first exposure to Android, I ended up getting an infuse.
I do like watching Netflix on the nook, and a lot of games look better on the 'big' screen.
It's a great book reader as well, with Kindle, Nook, Google Books, and Overdrive Media Console installed.
I do need a reader soon as I'll be studying heavily with some Kindle books...don't care for the Kindle (hard to go back to buttons) and the Infuse, despite its nice size, is still too small for long term reading...so I may have a reason to get this device...just seems a little pricey still...
I can see what you mean but I first had a dell streak which with its 5"screen was basically a tablet and did everything I needed, then I got my acer iconia and can say even with my former streak and current infuse when I'm at home I'm always using my iconia for youtube, web, email,xda etc... Not my laptop anymore or my phone. Now when I'm gone I have my infuse which provides me with the same similar experience on the go and in my pocket so to each each own.
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Previously the delta for me was between a 7" Huawei S7 and a 3.4" or so Tilt2.
Now with the Infuse, the S7 gets less love (not much screen size advantage), however, for watching movies, the 7" screen and kickstand is nice. The S7 is about the perfect size for a tab - Just small enough to fit into a jacket pocket or cargo pants pocket, just small enough to grab securely with one hand for transport, and about the perfect size to hold in two hands.
The 10" tabs just seem to be too big and FAR less portable than the 7s.
I don't think anyone can truely understand how much better a tablet is for most tasks u would do on a phone until u actually have one. I had an iPhone 4 for almost a year and was going back and forth on getting an iPad since it is so similar. I finally took the plunge and it is night and day difference in actually using it. Web browsing is awesome on it compared to the iPhone. I now have the infuse and even it having a 4.5" screen doesn't compare to the ipad screen. I love my phones, but can't imagine not having my ipad as well. It has replaced my laptop for 95% of what I used it for though.
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I just returned a wifi Xoom I bought at launch. It's not there yet, but Ice Cream and Quad Core could easily change that.
Also have my eyes open for Windows 8.
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garak0410 said:
I do need a reader soon as I'll be studying heavily with some Kindle books...don't care for the Kindle (hard to go back to buttons) and the Infuse, despite its nice size, is still too small for long term reading...so I may have a reason to get this device...just seems a little pricey still...
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I've done plenty of long term reading on my Infuse using the Kindle app. Works fine to me
I USE A GALAXY TAB FOR AN ALL IN ONE DEVICE (PHONE, TXT AND EVERYDAY TABLET USE) AND LOVE IT! ITS GONA BE HARD TO GO UNDER 7 AGAIN I DONT EVEN USE MY LAPTOP ANYMORE
I have an HP TM2T tablet PC running Windows 7 that I got last November, and I gotta say that I use my Infuse for most of what I need a computer for now. For eBook reading I still default to my Kindle 3, just because, but for everything else from manga to Reddit to XDA to videos I find myself on this little beauty.
I did own an iPad, last summer, but sold it as the things that were nice about it were really just superfluous compared to what a smartphone or tablet PC does. Tablets like that are... just not as convenient as a smartphone when they need to be, and not as powerful as a tablet PC when it would be useful (especially one with an active digitizer and pen).
I am looking forward, however, to the 'attachable keyboard' concept the Transformer rocks, along with the sonic pen thing I've seen in a few videos. Give me a thin tablet with these two features (and OneNote, so Win 8), and I'm sold!
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Yes...OneNote...need a real OneNote apparently for our Infuse...Mobilenoter SE 9mis just not working now...
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If I was to get a tablet it would be just to get one when I don't really need it I do a lot on my phone and I have a nook for reading (the first nook)
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When the iPad came out, I basically called it a big iPod touch...and to this day, I feel like it is still that. I see people with an iPhone and an iPad and I wonder WHY?!?!? The iPad only has a handful of special apps just for it. And why go back to that tiny screen on the iPhone? Anyway...
Now that the Android tablets have moved to the nice looking Galaxy Tab 10.1, I am still thinking on the lines that is this just a big Android with out the phone?
To me, I don't see any advantage of adding an Android tablet to my collection when my Infuse pretty much does all it does. Am I wrong here? Just can't justify the cost for a "bigger" android.
To me, Windows 8 looks more intriguing...
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Agree, I think I am never going to buy a Tablet. With my Infuse is more than enough.
With Christmas fast approaching, I originally planned on purchasing myself an upgrade to my 2 year-old laptop. Yet, besides gaming which I am for the most part not particularly bothered about and can easily do still on the family PC, Xbox 360 or through OnLive, my current system proves more than capable for almost everything I can through at it - even if a bit slow on more laborious tasks such as video rendering (something which I have done only about three times in an entire two year period). Now, whilst this isn't a definitive decision, I think it may be nice to purchase a tablet for use downstairs as I dislike having to carry my laptop up and down to/from my room all the time especially when I want to just do a bit of light web browsing. Whilst the most obvious choice might be the Nexus 7 for most people, I own a Galaxy Note (which has a large 5.3" screen) and it is because of this that I don't see a 7" tablet as a worthy investment for such a measly increase in screen size. So, what do people here feel to be the best 10" tablet (so long as it will be publicly available in the UK by Christmas 2012)?
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With Christmas fast approaching, I originally planned on purchasing myself an upgrade to my 2 year-old laptop. Yet, besides gaming which I am for the most part not particularly bothered about and can easily do still on the family PC, Xbox 360 or through OnLive, my current system proves more than capable for almost everything I can through at it - even if a bit slow on more laborious tasks such as video rendering (something which I have done only about three times in an entire two year period). Now, whilst this isn't a definitive decision, I think it may be nice to purchase a tablet for use downstairs as I dislike having to carry my laptop up and down to/from my room all the time especially when I want to just do a bit of light web browsing. Whilst the most obvious choice might be the Nexus 7 for most people, I own a Galaxy Note (which has a large 5.3" screen) and it is because of this that I don't see a 7" tablet as a worthy investment for such a measly increase in screen size. So, what do people here feel to be the best 10" tablet (so long as it will be publicly available in the UK by Christmas 2012)?
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Like I said. Android browser is twice as slow as a regular one. Flash is no more. And you can't really do much. Typing is also a *****. That's why I said browsing on a tablet sucks.
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Actually, I don't mind typing on a touchscreen keyboard. Plus, web browsing is not all I do on my Galaxy Note and what I would also do on a tablet. There is gaming, music, videos and ebooks.
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Besides, I thought there were ways to get Flash working on 4.1 Jelly Bean.
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What are some of the bests 10 inch tabs regardless?
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Any prime series. The new note 10.1 is nice. 200$ gtab 10.1 is still viable. But in the android game its mostly all Transformer prime/infinity. Toshiba excites are high end, but expensive.
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Any prime series. The new note 10.1 is nice. 200$ gtab 10.1 is still viable. But in the android game its mostly all Transformer prime/infinity. Toshiba excites are high end, but expensive.
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Well, having owned a Note 5.3 phone, I do like Samsung's S-Pen and various software. The Note 10.1 might be a nice option then, but I believe it is rather expensive for not all that great a specification unless I am mistaken?
motorola xoom
Motorola Xoom is a good tablet, it should be good choice for you but dont buy motorola xoom 2 because of shortage roms.
Wait on windows 8 tablets. They will be much better then android or ios tablets!
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Well, having owned a Note 5.3 phone, I do like Samsung's S-Pen and various software. The Note 10.1 might be a nice option then, but I believe it is rather expensive for not all that great a specification unless I am mistaken?
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The note 2 does have good specs, but with the infinity out, that right now is the best. But the note does have benefits as in touchwiz, touchwiz apps, all the S software, and the pen.
I'd say if you have the money, get Surface Pro or RT or any other Windows Tablet. Im afraid that you won't be satisfied of the x86 tablets battery life, well you could buy something cheap now and wait for new Intel processors, which should reduce power usage by many times. New CPU's are coming next year, and that should mean more battery life for Windows tablets.
If not "metro" then...
From android side, Nexus 7 or Transformer Prime Infinity. Seems like the 3rd branch of Nexus 7 is out and should elimante the screen prbolems many people had.
Or you could always get everybodys favorite, the iPad Although I would not recommend buying ipad right before christmas. Few months after new year new comes out and you'rse would be old.
All in all, if you have the money, buy Nexus 7 now and look for x86 tablet next year (or RT if the app store has envolved)
Nexus 7 is good
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Nexus 7 is good
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Did you even both to read my opening post? Plus, for me, the Nexus 7 is awful. The lack of expandable storage and screen size only slight larger than my Galaxy Note make it actually a step-down from my phone.
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I'd say if you have the money, get Surface Pro or RT or any other Windows Tablet. Im afraid that you won't be satisfied of the x86 tablets battery life, well you could buy something cheap now and wait for new Intel processors, which should reduce power usage by many times. New CPU's are coming next year, and that should mean more battery life for Windows tablets.
If not "metro" then...
From android side, Nexus 7 or Transformer Prime Infinity. Seems like the 3rd branch of Nexus 7 is out and should elimante the screen prbolems many people had.
Or you could always get everybodys favorite, the iPad Although I would not recommend buying ipad right before christmas. Few months after new year new comes out and you'rse would be old.
All in all, if you have the money, buy Nexus 7 now and look for x86 tablet next year (or RT if the app store has envolved)
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The RT version of Surface is not to my tastes, as it won't have nowhere near as many apps available as Android has come its launch. The Pro version of Surface, which runs a full version of Windows, is effectively just a very compact laptop in my eyes. Besides, I dislike Windows 8 greatly. The "Metro" UI (which is going to be renamed) is unappealing and the lack of a full desktop is worrying. As for a Nexus 7, no storage and a screen only slightly larger than my phone don't make it worth my time.
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The note 2 does have good specs, but with the infinity out, that right now is the best. But the note does have benefits as in touchwiz, touchwiz apps, all the S software, and the pen.
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The Note 10.1 is not the Note 2. The Note 2 is the new version of the Note 5.3 and is a phone. The Note 10.1 is a tablet. It is just called a Note because it is part of a new range of devices which utilise the S-Pen, which is Samsung's version of a capacitive stylus.
I own an ipad but somehow i never felt a tablet to be of much use. But if you need to buy one, the galaxy note 10.1 seems impressive. But certain you tube videos shows that it is lagging in responsiveness in multitasking. You might want to check you tube videos to get an idea. But if you are not a S pen guy then you can get the galaxy tab much cheaper.
I won't personally recommend 7 in tablets.
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Apple ipad!!!
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Yes being an iPad owner I know it is the best tablet around. Just didn't recommend that since I don't see it as a great value for the money spent, at least for me. I still prefer my lap for anything like booking movie tickets, online shopping etc. IPad is only for my news reading and you tube. My galaxy s2 is great for emails and fb too.
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The RT version of Surface is not to my tastes, as it won't have nowhere near as many apps available as Android has come its launch. The Pro version of Surface, which runs a full version of Windows, is effectively just a very compact laptop in my eyes. Besides, I dislike Windows 8 greatly. The "Metro" UI (which is going to be renamed) is unappealing and the lack of a full desktop is worrying. As for a Nexus 7, no storage and a screen only slightly larger than my phone don't make it worth my time.
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Are you sure you need a tablet? If the Windows 8 Surface Pro is not tablet-y enough for you and you have a nice big Note, I doubt that there's much need to drop your hard earned money on something that brings limited value to you. It seems like an investment in a new ultra/air type laptop that is not a pain to lug around might be a better solution.
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The Note 10.1 is not the Note 2. The Note 2 is the new version of the Note 5.3 and is a phone. The Note 10.1 is a tablet. It is just called a Note because it is part of a new range of devices which utilise the S-Pen, which is Samsung's version of a capacitive stylus.
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Thats what I meant to say...
I have decided to buy a windows pro tablet.. I need the functionality of a laptop and the portability of a tablet. I'm a die hard fan of android, and had numerous tablets. But for work and studies it seems only a PC that's a option.. Surface rt is not an option as I would rather use a android tablet if I'd wanted another ARM based device.
CES is coming up, surfaces pro is soon arriving, and I guess we`ll see a lot of competition/alternatives in this segment.
I need the computer to be able to transform to a tablet(screen only, keyboard off) and battery life is important. I don't care about ultra performance, gaming etc..
What's your 5¢? Go surface pro or is there anything else worth my money? I do care about developer support to my devices though..
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I have decided to buy a windows pro tablet.. I need the functionality of a laptop and the portability of a tablet. I'm a die hard fan of android, and had numerous tablets. But for work and studies it seems only a PC that's a option.. Surface rt is not an option as I would rather use a android tablet if I'd wanted another ARM based device.
CES is coming up, surfaces pro is soon arriving, and I guess we`ll see a lot of competition/alternatives in this segment.
I need the computer to be able to transform to a tablet(screen only, keyboard off) and battery life is important. I don't care about ultra performance, gaming etc..
What's your 5¢? Go surface pro or is there anything else worth my money? I do care about developer support to my devices though..
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Id suggest the Lenovo yoga....if you have the moolah that is...
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Id suggest the Lenovo yoga....if you have the moolah that is...
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But the yoga isn't detachable from its keyboard.. Moolah?
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I discarded the idea of Core i-series based tablets mainly because of the battery life and fans. I like the Atom based tablets more because they can be lighter, go several hours longer on a charge, and still offer reasonable performance.
Also I wanted a tablet that could dock into a keyboard for a more traditional laptop like form factor. I don't like the Surface tablets with their kickstands and keyboard covers. I want something I could rest in my lap and type on if wanted.
I ended up getting the Samsung Ativ Smart PC 500T. Mostly because it was the only thing available (other than the Acer 500W). I'm satisfied with the Atom performance in the 500T. Things take longer to load, but usually works well after it has. Office 2010 works great. Chrome works okay (IE works better). I can even run some low end desktop games from Steam like Torchlight.
It seems like most of the Windows 8 Atom tablets seem to have various glitches, probably mostly due to early drivers. I've mostly been reading the Samsung and HP forums, the HP Envy X2 is something I somewhat considered exchanging my Samsung for. But it sounds like the keyboard on the HP isn't that good, and there are issues with the trackpad not working after waking the tablet up (have to redock to get it working). My issues with the Samsung is the screen doesn't tilt back far enough, the back is slippery. And software issues, sometimes wifi and Bluetooth to play together nicely, and it has a problem sleeping when in the keyboard dock and closed.
The software glitches will be resolved in time. The hardware issues I can probably live with. So I'm guessing I'll probably stick with my Samsung. Still think it's a better choice than the considerably more expensive Surface Pro or other Core i-series tablets.
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I discarded the idea of Core i-series based tablets mainly because of the battery life and fans. I like the Atom based tablets more because they can be lighter, go several hours longer on a charge, and still offer reasonable performance.
Also I wanted a tablet that could dock into a keyboard for a more traditional laptop like form factor. I don't like the Surface tablets with their kickstands and keyboard covers. I want something I could rest in my lap and type on if wanted.
I ended up getting the Samsung Ativ Smart PC 500T. Mostly because it was the only thing available (other than the Acer 500W). I'm satisfied with the Atom performance in the 500T. Things take longer to load, but usually works well after it has. Office 2010 works great. Chrome works okay (IE works better). I can even run some low end desktop games from Steam like Torchlight.
It seems like most of the Windows 8 Atom tablets seem to have various glitches, probably mostly due to early drivers. I've mostly been reading the Samsung and HP forums, the HP Envy X2 is something I somewhat considered exchanging my Samsung for. But it sounds like the keyboard on the HP isn't that good, and there are issues with the trackpad not working after waking the tablet up (have to redock to get it working). My issues with the Samsung is the screen doesn't tilt back far enough, the back is slippery. And software issues, sometimes wifi and Bluetooth to play together nicely, and it has a problem sleeping when in the keyboard dock and closed.
The software glitches will be resolved in time. The hardware issues I can probably live with. So I'm guessing I'll probably stick with my Samsung. Still think it's a better choice than the considerably more expensive Surface Pro or other Core i-series tablets.
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I have had this for a while and most of the software issues are resolvable via 3rd party apps - particularly the on screen keyboard not appearing in text boxes (I use Comfort Keys - $30 but worth every penny). You may want to visit tweaks.com and bleepingcomputer.com for some good info
And I agree - it's well built - I had a Surface RT - crap, buggy software and the covers were cheap garbage.
Just get rid of the Samsung bloatware and you'll be fine
I've had my runs with Samsung, but can't say I'll jump for joy when I think about it.. But thanks alot for your input, appreciate it.. The envy is something to consider..
I dont need the brute force the i series gives, also fans is a turnoff on a tablet.
Any thoughts on Asus vivotab?
Or this? http://www.asus.com/vivo/en/transformerBook.htm
Asus is throwing out a whole series.. Looking good.
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buljo said:
I have decided to buy a windows pro tablet.. I need the functionality of a laptop and the portability of a tablet. I'm a die hard fan of android, and had numerous tablets. But for work and studies it seems only a PC that's a option.. Surface rt is not an option as I would rather use a android tablet if I'd wanted another ARM based device.
CES is coming up, surfaces pro is soon arriving, and I guess we`ll see a lot of competition/alternatives in this segment.
I need the computer to be able to transform to a tablet(screen only, keyboard off) and battery life is important. I don't care about ultra performance, gaming etc..
What's your 5¢? Go surface pro or is there anything else worth my money? I do care about developer support to my devices though..
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I'm using the Toshiba T925u. It is rather pricey ($1100), but it is i5 and makes about 5 hours on a charge (more if you tweak the settings). It is a bit large at 12.5 inch screen. The keyboard slides out from under the screen.
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I'm using the Toshiba T925u. It is rather pricey ($1100), but it is i5 and makes about 5 hours on a charge (more if you tweak the settings). It is a bit large at 12.5 inch screen. The keyboard slides out from under the screen.
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I just got my Acer W510 - and I'm loving it so far!
The fact that its cheap can be felt at some point, but given the price of it I certainly can live with it.
The battery life is really great, even without the dock.
Its worth to consider ?
//M
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I just got my Acer W510 - and I'm loving it so far!
The fact that its cheap can be felt at some point, but given the price of it I certainly can live with it.
The battery life is really great, even without the dock.
Its worth to consider ?
//M
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thanks, will look into it..
decisions decisions...
The vivotab has a better screen than the ativ, which I have and love. 600 nits is nuts, the ativ is around 400 which most tablets are. The ativ is way cheaper. Arounf 750 for tab and keyboard. 819 for just the tablet on the vivo 810. Dock is another 200. As mentioned, the best thing to do with the ativ as soon as you get it is reinstall win 8 and erase everything then do all the updates. Great stuff.
From an unlocked Note 2. Hmm...... Can you hear me Verizon, out on Uranus?
I DO Not reccomend the surface for a few reasons:
1. The trackpad is awful. Truly. And the keyboard isn't very good either. And the onscreen keyboard is garbage for productivity. In addition to all these facts, I find that the 'form factor' of getting stuff done, is sitting upright, with the keyboard in front of you and the tablet standing up. This is all well and good, but you can find the same form factor in the much better zenbook touch which costs about the same price as the surface(if you include the surface keyboard).
2. The zenbook touch not only has a full sized, better keyboard, and a better trackpad, the touch screen is 13 inches and is HD.
3. Developers have no incentive to make apps for windows 8. Apps they have been developing for w7 work on w8 so there's no reason to switch over to the abysmally selling OS. This means using desktop apps, which aren't amazing for touch. This is where you use a trackpad, and again, the one on the surface is awful.
All in all the zenbook touch offers a WAY better package in the same price range.
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I DO Not reccomend the surface for a few reasons:
1. The trackpad is awful. Truly. And the keyboard isn't very good either. And the onscreen keyboard is garbage for productivity. In addition to all these facts, I find that the 'form factor' of getting stuff done, is sitting upright, with the keyboard in front of you and the tablet standing up. This is all well and good, but you can find the same form factor in the much better zenbook touch which costs about the same price as the surface(if you include the surface keyboard).
2. The zenbook touch not only has a full sized, better keyboard, and a better trackpad, the touch screen is 13 inches and is HD.
3. Developers have no incentive to make apps for windows 8. Apps they have been developing for w7 work on w8 so there's no reason to switch over to the abysmally selling OS. This means using desktop apps, which aren't amazing for touch. This is where you use a trackpad, and again, the one on the surface is awful.
All in all the zenbook touch offers a WAY better package in the same price range.
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i agree with all your points. but its a bit like comparing oranges and apples where the surface is a tablet and the zenbook is a laptop.
I am changing out my android tablets for a windows pro machine, as said in first post i need the PC functions.. but want to keep the tablet factor.. possibility to take of the screen and use it as a tablet.
as a first glance the vivo series looks like a winner for me.
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i agree with all your points. but its a bit like comparing oranges and apples where the surface is a tablet and the zenbook is a laptop.
I am changing out my android tablets for a windows pro machine, as said in first post i need the PC functions.. but want to keep the tablet factor.. possibility to take of the screen and use it as a tablet.
as a first glance the vivo series looks like a winner for me.
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The vivo series runs RT. not pro.
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The vivo series runs RT. not pro.
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Actually the vivo 600 is rt. The vivitab 810 has the atom processor and runs 8 pro.
From an unlocked Note 2. Hmm...... Can you hear me Verizon, out on Uranus?
yeps, as he said.
but what is the difference between vivotab and vivotab smart? what makes it so "smart" other than screensize?
http://www.asus.com/vivo/en/vivoTab.htm
the transformer book looks awesome, but i5/i7 with fans, and it seems to be steeply priced.. but 13" screen would have been nice.
acer w510 is essentially exactly what you're looking for...
It feels bit cheap but I actually like it - and the white trim/silver back looks very clean.
It's 10.1" (better than 11.6" IMO) - its lightweight, and it has the docking attachment.
I bought my 32gb version for $399 at microcenter. You add the dock from acer for $150 and for near $580 with tax, there is nothing that is touching it for a full windows 8 tablet that is portable, great battery life. Windows 8 RT is a joke compared to full windows 8.
There are some bugs but man its hard to beat right now.
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acer w510 is essentially exactly what you're looking for...
It feels bit cheap but I actually like it - and the white trim/silver back looks very clean.
It's 10.1" (better than 11.6" IMO) - its lightweight, and it has the docking attachment.
I bought my 32gb version for $399 at microcenter. You add the dock from acer for $150 and for near $580 with tax, there is nothing that is touching it for a full windows 8 tablet that is portable, great battery life. Windows 8 RT is a joke compared to full windows 8.
There are some bugs but man its hard to beat right now.
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Yeah, a buddy got one and I have say it is pretty awesome. Pound for pound best deal for the money. I guess in comparing the two it would come down to screen size which is more of a preference thing than anything. You wouldn't think going from an 11.6 to a 10.1 would make such a difference in portability, but it really does.
From an unlocked Note 2. Hmm...... Can you hear me Verizon, out on Uranus?
buljo said:
I have decided to buy a windows pro tablet.. I need the functionality of a laptop and the portability of a tablet. I'm a die hard fan of android, and had numerous tablets. But for work and studies it seems only a PC that's a option.. Surface rt is not an option as I would rather use a android tablet if I'd wanted another ARM based device.
CES is coming up, surfaces pro is soon arriving, and I guess we`ll see a lot of competition/alternatives in this segment.
I need the computer to be able to transform to a tablet(screen only, keyboard off) and battery life is important. I don't care about ultra performance, gaming etc..
What's your 5¢? Go surface pro or is there anything else worth my money? I do care about developer support to my devices though..
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Have you considered and ipad and bluetooth keyboard ?
Maybe a note2 and bt keyboard ?
The only reasons I ask are current application a hardware support for these devices. They're both more mature in software and hardware segments right now. A few professionals I know that tried big tablets like the surface have returned then and gone back to laptops that fold flat like heavy tablets, or ipads. Their reasons were app development not mature enough and the size of the surface opposed to its not-quite-a-laptop functionality pushed them back to convertable laptops. Just something to keep in mind.
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Have you considered and ipad and bluetooth keyboard ?
Maybe a note2 and bt keyboard ?
The only reasons I ask are current application a hardware support for these devices. They're both more mature in software and hardware segments right now. A few professionals I know that tried big tablets like the surface have returned then and gone back to laptops that fold flat like heavy tablets, or ipads. Their reasons were app development not mature enough and the size of the surface opposed to its not-quite-a-laptop functionality pushed them back to convertable laptops. Just something to keep in mind.
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Are you sure they did run a full win 8 and not just the winRT? With the full win 8 you can basically install whatever you like - which renders the missing app situation an invalid point.
Having an iPad with a Bluetooth keyboard myself I'm shocked that professionals actually use that as a working tool!? I've tried it myself but when working with a sleightly locked down it infrastructure you're pretty much reduced to Citrix or remote desktop which renders the missing app situation an invalid point...
Once more I'd vote for the w510 - its cheap, reasonly well build and really kicks ass for lightweight tasks
//M
Microsoft Surface Pro, Samsung ATIV Smart PC Pro, or the newly announced Lenovo Thinkpad Helix for me at this point.
All have a digitizer and pen, which I'm looking for in my tab. I'll be watching the Helix close as the 256GB SSD + i7 + extra juice are attractive to me, but the Surface Pro with a 10.6" screen w/ an i5 seems a bit more portable.
The Samsung allows for taking the keyboard off and running in pure tablet mode as well, but what do you do with the keyboard when you're not at home / at your desk? Seems clunky to me. Hense the attractiveness of the "Rip and Flip" concept of the Helix =)
We'll see how price and performance plays with this in the coming weeks / months though...
I'm looking for your thoughts/opinions after using him/her for a week or so. What is your primary use for the Surface Pro? Worth it? Or have you returned it? Plan to stick with it? Or jump ship when the next superhotawesome drops?
Got the Rt for my Daughter and finally the Pro for myself was waiting for what seemed like forever. I'm very satisfied with it, it's perfect for what I do I'm self employed and blends all my devices into one convenient package. It's that sweet spot and I'm sure I will have it for a long time.
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I'm looking for your thoughts/opinions after using him/her for a week or so. What is your primary use for the Surface Pro? Worth it? Or have you returned it? Plan to stick with it? Or jump ship when the next superhotawesome drops?
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I have the Surface pro and I love it,It has complete replaced my i7 laptop.it has plenty of Storage space ism not san why everyone was complaining of course the os requires Storage what type of idiot would expect it not to eat into the available Storage.
Interface
The new interface Was design for touch after a week of usage I could not imagine using win 7 on this device. MS did a great Job when designing the interface.
handwriting recognition
no os available Oat there has better handwriting recognition in comparison to windows8. My handwriting could be in Chicken scratch but somehow handwrite recognition gets it right every time
Stability
Overall the device is Stable I only had to reboot once, because chrome does not play Well on surface. Everything else runs like a Champ.
you Cannot compare the Surface pro to any android or iPad. Both are Just cool toys in comparison, the Surface Pro is a true productivity tool.
Battery Life
Have you used a Lenovo. The t 410 battery life is terrible in comparison. I get more than 4 hours on my Surface Pro. Microsoft tried to be too honest with specs.
I have not had problems with battery life. I charge it once a day. I am enjoying using it so far. I have had a couple of issues with legacy software that I need for work not running with the scaling, so i choose to disable that on the particular app and then it runs.
I even dropped the sucker from pretty high up and nothing happened (I know, I feel stupid). I find myself really reaching for the screen, so much easier than using a mouse. I really wish more software was optimized for that. Firefox needs an update that would let me use it with my fingers (I don't mean in modern UI, I mean desktop mode).
Overall, I am really satisfied. It's a powerful machine and it's been a lot of fun setting it up.
I have had a 128 Pro since launch day. I have an RT as well (well, I should say my wife has it) and we are bot very happy with the Surface.
I have a 64gb pro (Couldn't find the 128) and bought the 128 off of MS. Going to keep this one and return it later when I get my 128. I am quite happy with it. Although it is weird to adjust to the touch keyboard. I couldn't handle the type. It was nice, but too thick and weird when folded back. Overall, it runs like a champ. 5 sec boot. 3 sec shut down. 6+ hours when just using onenote mostly. I love it. Now, it would replace my laptop if I could just get my hands on the 128. Soon. The only thing I'm disappointed in is Chrome support for Windows 8 and touch screens. It's pretty crappy to be honest.
I've had mine for almost a week now - still getting used to it.
I have the 128 GB version - replacing my old 2 year old Alienware M11x R1 (relegated now to my daughter for her school PC) - quite simply - the SP is what I was originally looking for when I bought the M11x..
I run Office, various browsers, many other apps, as well as code on it.. doesn't miss a beat. Averages around 5-6+ hours on a single "typical" charge doing standard "productive" (which you cannot do on an Android/iPad tablet) by my estimates - less if you watch a lot of youtube/streaming videos.
Make no mistake - this *IS* a PC wrapped in a tablet format. To that end - it has some quirks in trying to accommodate both form factors - and it's very unapologetic in the way it attempts to stay the course between these 2 very different form factors. To be clear - *you* must adapt to it..
That being said - my 2 cents - it's lighter and much more portable than an ultrabook, and much more useful than the typical "consumer" driven tablets of Android/iOS...
Combine the 2 (again it doesn't give you a choice.. ) - you have a very unique experience that you'll either immediately fall in love with - or hate.. I'll be the first to admit that it's not going to be a device for "everyone" - but I also believe that MS has a winner on their hands in the form of a truly productive, viable, and unique device that will ultimately be adopted much more widely in professional and enterprise environments than the "typical" consumer market - though I imagine it'll do quite well there as well - especially for students..
To answer your question - yes I'd recommend it and yes I'm keeping it..
I had the RT for 20 days and took it back for the pro.Would never recommend an RT for someone with similar wants and needs. I am so glad I did and the timing was perfect. It is what I wanted in a tablet/laptop.
Still waiting here in the UK.... :/
I've got an RT and once the Pro is out I'll get one, then the one I dont like will go to the tech here at work...
I have had the 128 for 6 days. So far, I am using it as a replacement for the HP envy15. I was already using windows 8 on a desktop, but windows 8 on a tablet is cool. The device gets a little warm, as I use it all day, but so far its great. You cant beat having access to legacy apps on a tablet. I cant wait for the app market to grow.
Love my pro
The 128 was never in stock but I have a 64 gb micro sd for storage.
This unit replaced my iPad mini and Lenovo Yoga 13.
Even though I bought it from Staples I was still able to get Microsoft complete warranty on it. Best $149 you can spend, it includes accidental.
Got the 64 GB with type keyboard running Ubuntu 12.10 loving this thing!
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Got the 64 GB with type keyboard running Ubuntu 12.10 loving this thing!
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How'd you get the wifi drivers working on 12.10? I'm still having issues with that.
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How'd you get the wifi drivers working on 12.10? I'm still having issues with that.
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You'll need a USB to ethernet adaptor with plug and play functionality on linux (most branded ones work I think) and then start up the tablet with the adaptor plugged in and connected properly etc. I think ubuntu then normally prompts for driver installs which it will do via the ethernet.
Using USB WiFi adaptor. I asked over in Ubuntu irc and they said there's a bug with the Marvell drivers and a fix is being issued.
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Picked up at 128gb pro on monday. The build quality is great, but it's just a bit heavy to use as a tablet. It's doable, but really it's better suited sitting on a desk with the stand. I was previously using a Lenovo Thinkpad Tablet 2 but it was too slow to run certain programs needed for work (large excel sheets, MATLAB, Access, etc). The battery life is as advertise - I get around 5 hours with brightness at half. I thought I'd be able to stretch it to 6 hours but there really isn't much optimizing left to do so I haven't been able to. Compared to any arm based tablet, yea the battery life is weak but really it has the specs of a real laptop and compared to the MacBook Air 11" it has the same battery life with a better screen and weighs less so it's quite a nice machine imo. I didn't think I would need the digitizer and pen but I'm finding more ways to use it and it makes for a nice addition. I kind of wish Microsoft went with a 16:10 form factor though... 16:9 tablets are really just too narrow and awkward to be used in portrait mode when holding it like a tablet.
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Picked up at 128gb pro on monday. The build quality is great, but it's just a bit heavy to use as a tablet. It's doable, but really it's better suited sitting on a desk with the stand. I was previously using a Lenovo Thinkpad Tablet 2 but it was too slow to run certain programs needed for work (large excel sheets, MATLAB, Access, etc). The battery life is as advertise - I get around 5 hours with brightness at half. I thought I'd be able to stretch it to 6 hours but there really isn't much optimizing left to do so I haven't been able to. Compared to any arm based tablet, yea the battery life is weak but really it has the specs of a real laptop and compared to the MacBook Air 11" it has the same battery life with a better screen and weighs less so it's quite a nice machine imo. I didn't think I would need the digitizer and pen but I'm finding more ways to use it and it makes for a nice addition. I kind of wish Microsoft went with a 16:10 form factor though... 16:9 tablets are really just too narrow and awkward to be used in portrait mode when holding it like a tablet.
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16:10 isn't going to make it any better in portrait mode. The Surface just isn't designed to be used in portrait mode. It's awkward and Metro is optimized for landscape mode.
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Using USB WiFi adaptor. I asked over in Ubuntu irc and they said there's a bug with the Marvell drivers and a fix is being issued.
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There is a driver update if you do it through device manager. Can't check speeds till i get home.
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There is a driver update if you do it through device manager. Can't check speeds till i get home.
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That didn't work for me before but works now! Thanks for the info! its running well here
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There is a driver update if you do it through device manager. Can't check speeds till i get home.
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Can you post the file for the update?
I have been a fan of the note series for some time now, ever since I got the note 2 phone. Then the note 10;1, and the note 8.0. Finally getting the cash lined up for a note 10.1 2014 and the 12.2 gets announced. So, now I am waiting for a couple days for the note pro to be available in the store to purchase.
My questions is about the choice between the Surface Pro 2 and the Note 12.2
I know that a great deal of things relies on individual needs and preferences, but I want to see where everyone sits.
If you have the chance, would you buy a Note 12.2 or a Surface Pro 2. Assuming same cost.
For me, I wouldn't mind going with a surface pro 2, but I would be tempted to stretch my funds and go with a 256gb model just to get the 8gb ram, then would nee a keyboard for it, pushing my budget pretty high. The note 12.2 is still a high cost device, but cheaper than the Surface Pro 2.
My viewpoint is looking like this:
Reasons for Surface Pro 2
Better CPU
Actual computer with full fledged programs
I can install and play my steam games (really mostly concerned with RTS games since I have my high end gaming laptop with me for higher end games.
Reasons for Note Pro 12.2
Higher Res and better display
Easier use of stylus for notes, drawing, and random functions,
Android and better "mobile" OS.
My big uses for either device would be for Stylus use, consuming content like netflix, and general connectivity for everything.
Thoughts?
Surface Pro 2
I too strongly considered the Surface Pro, and the SP2, for my mobile computing needs. And as you said, it really is all about how you're going to use it. My issue is that it's really almost too much computer for a 10" tablet form factor, and usability suffers for this. In other words, I found it too bulky, heavy, and the screen was simply too small to be able to actually use that power to be productive.
When I'd sit down to type either at a desk or on the couch, it was rather difficult to do so for any length of time, while remaining comfortable. I'd just end up using it as a tablet only. In which case, it was just a little too heavy and bulky for extended use. And I wasn't even remotely using the power of the i-core CPU like this. Which seemed like a waste of such an expensive device.
So I thought I'd try games. I quickly found that it was either wasn't powerful enough for the games I wanted to play and/or the screen was too small.
Basically, I just couldn't find a good use case scenario where it made sense to spend that kind of money on the SP1 or SP2. For me, a larger Ultrabook or a more traditional tablet made more sense. Combining the two just didn't work.
Galaxy Note Pro 12.2
I of course haven't used the Note Pro tablet, but from what I've seen it looks like it might actually work for my needs. I know it's expensive "for an android tablet." But for a 12.2" portable computing device, it's almost a bargain. Well, maybe not a "bargain," and there isn't exactly any real competition for it; at least until others jump on board.
First, it's still relatively light weight for it's size. Find me another 12" device running around 1.6 lb, let alone at this price point. Add that to expected tablet-like battery life, portability, nice screen, new launcher, top-end tablet specs, and I think it looks very promising. Well, at least on paper. I'll have to judge that for myself when I get it. If the software and hardware fail, I probably will have to revisit the ultrabook idea. I just didn't want to spend that kind of money right now.
And the most important part is what I'm going to use it for. No, I'm not going to write a book on it. Not expecting to play BF4 or SC2. Don't need it to fit in a pocket. I've got a 5.7" phone, high-end multi-monitor workstation, and 15" notebook for those tasks. I just want something relatively portable to use when traveling, in a vehicle, in a plane, use at work, or even on the couch. If I'm leaving the house with it, just like a 10" tablet, it's going in a bag on it's own, or with my notebook and it's larger bag.
Then it needs to play videos, music, surf the web, and even handle the occasional high-end android game. I'll probably give some light on-the-go productivity a try on it. But like I said, a notebook with a real keyboard is always going to make far more sense.
Mine gets here Friday. Still hoping it works out! :good:
First of all it depends on what do you do and what you need your tablet for . As i know its a personal reference to choose which fit your needs so am just going to share mine so it may help you figure out which suits you or which is a better deal.
I am a Junior architect and for powerful tasks i prefer using a desktop or a powerful laptop as thats where you can do real job on a real wide space but when it comes to a tablet category you choose something that can just give you the ability to edit those projects you did on your desktop or laptop and since tablets to us is a real multi-consumption device for work or multimedia and games etc and it would fit a lot of job holders like me as an architect or a student , artist, teacher etc so i would love to go with the Note PRO over the SP2 simply bc : bigger and better display , wide stylus integration for many apps , you can edit and restyle the android as you wish with so many apps and a full nice keyboard. also the way you feel about the device itself matters a lot and i believe going with the samsung would be a more better experience as being able to turn your tablet into a style that makes you feel good about using it . i didn't really like to go with some tech specs as it easily would be found online etc but here there is a really good article that may help you out from the very technical perspective on gizmag.com
Considering for me it was a choice between the note 12.2 and the SP2, and the note doesnt come out until tomorrow, my wife has already gone to best buy to get me a Surface Pro 2, at least to try out.
Considering that I can use bluestacks to play all the android games and apps I could on the note 12.2 (with some limitations), there is no applicational advantage to the note 12.2
The advantage to the 12.2 is the lower cost, better screen, and better integration of the s pen.
I feel like a traitor, though, going with the Surface. I love android and the note series is the king in my book, and the 12.2 is like the damn emperor of the note series, but I would be stupid and rather irrational not to at least try out the surface pro 2 if it can do everything to note can and more with only an extra 100 dollar price tag.
We shall see.
It is true that it depends on what you plan to use the particular device.
From various reviews, SP2 has a battery life of 6 hours while the GNP 12.2 has a battery life of 10 hours. I think I can do more with the Galaxy Note Pro 12.2 and more.
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I was deciding between these two as need a device for editing joomla sites on the fly. As I wouldn't sell my desktop the note seemed the better choice overall. Even though my mega does me I will attempt to use the note more more like a laptop type device as opposed to just a tablet. Plus if it gets rooted I'll start making roms for this beauty
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I was deciding between these two as need a device for editing joomla sites on the fly. As I wouldn't sell my desktop the note seemed the better choice overall. Even though my mega does me I will attempt to use the note more more like a laptop type device as opposed to just a tablet. Plus if it gets rooted I'll start making roms for this beauty
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To be honest i couldn't decided between the two, at the moment i have got the surface pro 2 as my personal computer and i also got the galaxy note 10.1 2014 LTE edition, but i am now waiting for the note pro 12.2 LTE because i liked the bigger screen, i know it will cost nearly a thousand but to me its what i want as i want a mobile LTE tablet for when i travel around the country :good:
I just returned my SP2 last night and got the pro 12.2 at best buy. No regrets! I'm scratching my head for the last 15 days. A lot of problems on surface pro 2
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I was deciding between these two as need a device for editing joomla sites on the fly. As I wouldn't sell my desktop the note seemed the better choice overall. Even though my mega does me I will attempt to use the note more more like a laptop type device as opposed to just a tablet. Plus if it gets rooted I'll start making roms for this beauty
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Uhm so we have root. Rom me bro!!
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Uhm so we have root. Rom me bro!!
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LOL As soon as cwm is active i will start on this still waiting for sammobile to up the first release softwares
here is a video comparison between sp2 and the note pro 12.2 by Lisa mobiletechreviews
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdP80fLkJrY
This isn't a fair match up at all...
Android all the way, yeah.
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I currently have both the SP2 and 12.2. You need a keyboard and mouse to really do anything productive on either device.
For any consumption, Youtube, movies, web, its the 12.2 FTW!
The only thing I haven't found that I can do on the 12.2 is Publisher and Powerpoint creation/presentation. I know there are android options there, but they are not up to full functionality when compared to MS office. The Hancom office that comes with the 12.2 is really good when it comes to excel and word though. Very impressed.
I ordered a bluetooth keyboard for the 12.2. I will be able to slip both the tablet and keyboard in the same bag and they won't be any thicker than the SP2.
The one advantage the SP2 has over the 12.2 is multi-monitor support. I am running three monitors and the SP2 at my office. Talk about productivity. There is no lag. Android can't do that yet. I am an android fanboy, but MS still has this productivity nailed.
My 2 cents. As you said, use case dictates your answer. I can't say I would be completely happy with only one of these devices. There is not yet "one device to rule them all."
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