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I hate the way Apple chooses to lock down their devices with iTunes and the App Store, but I'm equally as frustrated with every damn Android device running proprietary crapware on top of Android. There, I said it.
I mean, the selling point is, or should be, Android. Not Samsung or HTC's poor attempts to create superfluous software that does what Android (2.2 anyway) already does, only worse and laggier. I just started up a new contract on Vodafone (Germany) and got a Galaxy S for 149 Euro. I jailbroke and carrier unlocked my old iPhone 3G (from T-Mobile) and popped in my new Vodafone SIM and I'm probably going to put the Galaxy S on eBay to reap the profit off it while it's still high priced. (our contract phones are not carrier locked)
I mean, yea the iPhone 3G is laggy with iOS4, but with jailbreak it's still overall less frustrating than the Galaxy S has been for me. Google needs to *****slap the manufacturers into installing vanilla Android and vanilla Android ONLY. Let them install their proprietary apps like Samsung App Market (and third party apps like some carriers do). That can all be deleted once they are rooted anyway. It's this annoying ROM juggling that is ruining the Android experience for a lot of people who want to get away from Apple, RIM, Microsoft, etc. The only real option for a vanilla experience for most users right now is the Nexus One, which is no longer produced and to which there will be no successor. Why can't we just be given vanilla, and THEN decide whether we want Swype or Sense, or whatever else?
I'm not trying to slag the Android community, because they are great. And I'm far, far from an Apple "fanboy", it's just the manufacturers that are creating too much differentiation within Android. I mean of course Android will experience differentiation with multiple hardware manufactuers. It's part of being an open platform. The problem is it's exacerbated exponentially by the mountains of crapware shoveled onto each different phone.
That it appears Samsung decided to use an internal SD to run the OS and apps is frustrating as well. All that fantastic hardware paired with a slow internal SD with crap I/O performance is kind of....?! Shouldn't have to buy a class 6-10 microSD and partition it with ext4 just to get the phone running the way it should. Especially with the rest of the hardware being wonderful.
I mean.....maybe this is heresy here, but jailbreaking an iPhone4 and using Cydia, et al, seems to be less of a hassle than rooting and ROMing something like the Galaxy S. At least with the iPhone you don't need to remove third party crapware (although the case can be made for Apple's YouTube app being worthless non-removable third party crapware).
The reason I, co-workers and friends of mine find Android so appealing is the ability to install whatever we want, whenever we want. The ability to circumvent an "App Market" and install a Torrent manager to control torrents at home on the go, or to install third party browsers that may offer better performance/options, or other third party applications that technically "compete" with the native Android apps written by Google.
That's what we find so appealing. What we hate, and what keeps us holding out a little on Android (those of us without Nexus Ones) are the aforementioned problems. If the phones simply came with Vanilla Android or if there were a simple option for reverting the phones to Vanilla Android that didn't involve rooting and hunting around for custom ROMs (which often have their own superfluous crap installed) it would draw people towards the Android platform at an even quicker rate. At least with iOS4 we know what we're getting. With Android devices it's a grab bag of poorly written, superfluous crapware, where the only hope is that you can find a device with the least amount.
What is wrong with simply handing us Android devices with vanilla Android? Is every manufacturer afraid that without them guiding us through the experience with their own interpretation that the commonfolk will get lost in the vast sea of open source Android? I mean it's like the blind leading those with 20/20 vision at this point.
Or is it just greed reaching through trying to somehow claim that loading their devices up with crapware increases their profit margins and compensates for the people they wind up driving or keeping away from Android?
I'm just rambling at this point and need coffee. And a vanilla Android device.
I completely agree. I haven't tried the alternate UIs like HTC Sense, but I feel like if it does anything better than vanilla Android, then whatever it does that's better should just be added to vanilla Android.
1st off I too find Android to iPhoney to use. So after testing android for a couple weeks I'm back to WM. I just don't like hitting 6 buttons to do anything. That being said its not fair to compare a brand new phone that been on the market a couple weeks to a phone that launched in 2007. Thats really not fair to android or Samsung.
Standard Android is extremely unattractive to look at. Therefore manufacturers try to enhance it.
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Standard Android is extremely unattractive to look at. Therefore manufacturers try to enhance it.
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I actually prefer the minimalistic look and feel of the standard Android, but that is probably just me.
I can see why you like the minimalist look but the eye candy is for attracting people. If you have never used a smartphone or come from the notmephone you want to be able to navigate through to the essentials the first time you pick it up. HTC Sense allows that, SPB Mobile Shell allows that but standard Android doesn't. Veteran users or Windows Mobile users like myself are fine with it.
Which OS is good, reliable and stable, android or iphone?
Honestly, they are both good, reliable and stable operating systems and each has their own strengths and weakness. Its really a question of personal preference. I prefer android and the open source nature of the system, and am not a fan of the highly proprietary apple brand. Both OS are good, but you have sooooo many more options when it comes to android over iOS, from the phones to apps and more.
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Which OS is good, reliable and stable, android or iphone?
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Compelling question, sir. Let us consult the Magic 8 Ball, for reasoning necessary to arrive at the answer is far too complex for minds of a non-magical nature.
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Which OS is good, reliable and stable, android or iphone?
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Are you trying to start a fight? Lol.
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Iphone to me one phone one operating system easy to make apps and games for compared to androids many operating system and most apps run on certain operating systems like netflix or Verizon with exclusive apps and games. But i love android open platform but for the phones that's locked android sucks stock roms are laggy.
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I have an HD2 running CyanogenMOD 7, an HTC Inspire 4G unrooted running Android 2.2.1 (FroYo) and an iPhone 4. I also have a Samsung Focus running Windows Phone 7.
Out of all of those the Androids (HD2 and Inspire) are the most fun to use. They work flawlessly and have more convenience features than my iPhone 4 or Focus. Nevertheless, my iPhone 4 is my main phone and is the primary phone I take with me all the time. The reason being is because it is the most reliable system ever created. The Androids, for me, work flawlessly, but are prone to issues from what I've observed from other people. And my Inspire, in the beginning, almost got me lost because of a screwy compass and non-functioning Google maps app (maybe due to GPS or lack of data signal). Since a subsequent update the Inspire has been flawless.
But I trust my iPhone 4. It may not have the convenience of a free voice guided nav like on the Androids, but I can manage fine with the maps system it does have. Nonetheless, I love Android and feel it is superb and would not be without it.
Decipher through that and see if I declared one over the other.
Both have their strengths although i think at the moment android has more strengths as Apple is playing catchup with the iphone5 and iOS 5. I like androids open source nature and its general layout is just 'cooler.' Most android users go on and on about fanboys but the truth is almost all iphone users are not fanboys, infact i didnt even know ABOUT android until mid 2010! That's how bad their marketing (and how good Apple's) was. Most have been duped by Apple's excellent marketing which they've done fantastically over here in Australia and don't realise there are other options.
Both. The choice between the two is simply personal preference.
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Both have their strengths although i think at the moment android has more strengths as Apple is playing catchup with the iphone5 and iOS 5. I like androids open source nature and its general layout is just 'cooler.' Most android users go on and on about fanboys but the truth is almost all iphone users are not fanboys, infact i didnt even know ABOUT android until mid 2010! That's how bad their marketing (and how good Apple's) was. Most have been duped by Apple's excellent marketing which they've done fantastically over here in Australia and don't realise there are other options.
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Apple is all about brand name, android is about functionality features scailabilty, now Apple has seen what an Android can do they're trying to play catch up with IOS5 see how they treat their developers now. For example a few ebook developers had to go out of business because of all the fees Apple charges
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better overall experience def. android
apps/games are 1-2 yrs ahead in terms of innovation and smoothiness: iphone
Depends on what you like to do with your phone...if you like to explore your phone 360° in complete liberty i'll remand you to an android device...if you like apple style get an iphone
I prefer android devices.
My friends have had nothing but problems with their iPhones.
Buddy had 2 iPhone4's die out on him in a month (speaker, microphone and one just wouldn't hold a charge) and he's since upgraded to an Arc (android).
I believe it's personal preference, but if your buying a new phone then the iPhone just can't compete... Think about it, the iPhone4 is old technology. There are new insanely powerful and innovative Android devices released every other week...
Let me put it this way. Galaxy S vs Iphone4 is/was a toss up. Side by side reviewers often gave them ties or a slight edge one way or the other. The Galaxy S is over a year old and the new Android devices are lightyears ahead of it. If you read a review that DOESN'T say a phone like the Arc destroys, yes, destroys, the iPhone4 in every category then the reviewer is likely a fanboy/on the Apple payroll.
I'm sorry, but it's an old phone. Besides, the o/s are completely different styles. It's a lot like the original windows vs mac vs linux debate. Mac=iPhone, Android=Linux (literally)... Both excel at different tasks and each has a loyal fanbase... It's all preference without question in terms of OS. In terms of hardware I don't think there's a comparison with any new phone.
Neither, my friend. webOS is the better os.
Android......Anyday
I feel the iPhone is outdated with regard to hardware. I mean, the old galaxy s which came out before the iPhone4 is better than the iPhone 4, let alone all these new phones. People say gaming on apple devices is better. Never Understood how. I mean, it's the same games and the same developers and android gets all the more important and good games
I personally prefer Android, because I like the open source nature of the system. I love that there are so many Android device options out there now. However, I do have to admit that iPhone has that extra something that somehow android devices just haven't mastered yet. A touch response is like a .000000098 seconds faster in iPhone vs. Android phones, but I can tell there's that little bit of .000000098 seconds lag....lol. But bottom line--Android for me
As a lead support tech for a large company, I have to answer this question every time I respond to a smartphone issue, because the user always ask, should I have something else or will X product give me less trouble?
Really, it all comes down to personal preference. Some people only use a phone for a very limited set of tasks(email, phone, games), and in those cases it comes down to which hardware/cellular provider the user wants.
I like to use mine for any and everything as it helps me every minute of every day either at work or with personal stuff, and since I am a techie and like to tweak my device to my liking I prefer a rooted Android device.
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both os are good.but i prefer Android...iphone is nothing for me
In all seriousness, iPhone. A jailbroken iPhone 4 is really an incredible piece of hardware, and especially with iOS 5 the software is second to none. Compared to any Android phone, it has a more complete feature set and fewer bugs and problems. It's a more mature, more slick overall system.
That said, I use Android. I think Android is really, really awesome and there's some fantastic hardware out for it. And it's overall much cheaper to be an Android user on Sprint than an iOS user on AT&T and Verizon.
I like the Android the best, definitely
But then again i havent really used an iPhone, only my moms, lol.
Hey everyone!
First of all, I am new here. I joined with the vision of getting my question answered, but then i fell over some other threads, and found this forum exciting. So i might stick around for awhile.
*Excuse me if i posted this the wrong place*
Brief:
I currently am in the situation where.. Yes, I am sick of my iPhone.
It's a GREAT phone! It's fast, stylish, and durable (atleast so far!).
But i miss the lack of customization.
Untill last december, i've had android phones. However, back then they were slow. The fastest one I've had, was a Galaxy S II. It was fast back then, but when i use my friend's now, it's so laggy and edgy.
I am really considering getting an Android. But there's a few things holding me back..
iPhone
+ I have an iPhone 5. It's fast.
+ My iPhone 5 is stylish.
+ I have 2 MacBook Pro's, an iMac, Apple TV, iPod and an iPad. So i fear the communication between Android and them.
+ The applications. I personally find Appstore filled with higher-of-quality applications.
+ iCloud. It stores my contacts and stuff. But Android's got an alternative for that tho.
+ iMessage. I love being able to chat from my macbook to iPhones, without confuse. And fast iPhone-to-iPhone chat without the recievant have to download specific software.
+ Reputation. Call me childish, but i just find it "cooler" to have an iPhone..
- Screensize. God it's starting to annoy me. I like having a big badass phone.
- Features. I personally think that the iPhone 5 lacks features.
+/- Jailbreak. Jailbreaking the iPhone gives it alot of awesome features! But having the need to jailbreak it, sucks. Also it makes it impossible to update to the newest immediately. Also yet jailbroken, the system is still very limited. Also it takes a lot of time for it to come out. I haven't had my phone jailbroken for 8 months.
Android
++ CUSTOMIZATION!
++ The freedom to do basically what you want with the phone.
+ Screensize; I find the iPhone 5 screen a tat too small. I miss a bigger size phone, eg the Galaxy S II.
- I fear the speed? Will they be as snappy as i am used to on my iPhone?
- Durability. I remember the old Android phones went slow in just a few weeks due to cache's and stuff. How does that seem now?
+ Features. I think that most Android phones have got some very interesting features. Eg: One Blink Feed, Note 3 S-Pen, S3/4 eye-motion detector.
+ No-jailbreak. Altho Android have the ability to get rooted, it's not necessary (unless you want flashed ROM's). I find that great for my needs, since i love customizing and changing my homescreen-layout / phone functionality on a day-to-day basis. Also iPhone jailbreaks takes a lot of time to come out.
I am very unsure of what to do. It's very hard!
I really like my iPhone, but i miss the lack of customization.
My heart tells me to keep my iPhone, but my brain and inner-geek tells me to go fetch an android.
If it was up to me, i'd have both. But i don't have the money to get a new Android and keep my iPhone. Then i will have to sell my iPhone first.
Could you guys possible give me some aspects and viewpoints on this? I am open for critiques, since i am not coloured of "what's better or worse". I just want personal views.
Also, have anyone gone from iPhone 5 to Android? And did you regret it? (Which i am afraid that i MAYBE will).
And if you advice me to get an Android: Which one?
Thanks in advance!
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From what I think, iOS is child's play in comparison to Android.
Howell iPhones are indeed fast, stylish, etc, the OS won't ever give you control of things.
Apple has it's stuff working together well and so, but the price ofcourse, is to it.
Going through your points, you can make yourself a conclusion, this is just my view on things:
Speed
Android can be as fast as you want it to be, only if you are willing to spend the money on it which you would've spend on an iPhone. Also, making tweaks or changes to your system (You're on XDA anyway) helps greatly in this process.
Keep in mind that Apple has only few devices to optimize their system for, while Android is changed to work on a specific device.
Sync
I have to agree here that Apple has the syncs sorted out better. On Android this is a bit messier, but still working very well when you've got everything up and running. The main reason for this, is that Android is existing more and more out of fragments rather than a fullyfixed system.
Apps
Ofcourse the Appstore is filled with way more quality apps; Apple doesn't allow all Apps to there store. It's part of their policy. Where Google only removes apps from their Store, Apple only allows apps to their store.
Also I kinda like that Google makes their apps available to iOS, which I've barely seen the other way.
Messaging
iMessage is great, but since a few months, Hangouts has the same features plus more! And best of it, it's nearly standard packed (older devices will have to update Talk) with the system.
Durability
Android phones are in my opinion better in getting a new life than iOS phones. Ensurely when you're rooted/unlocked. Phones that have been all forgotten about by their manufacturers (also Apple does this) can still be up to date and smooth thanks to the great devs around. It may take some bravery, but that's completely on to yourself.
The other points not covered by these are more subjective I think.
Like I said, take your own conclusions from this and let me hear what it'll be!
Makes sense
Thanks for your reply!
Your aspects makes sense. Especially with the price thing.
Apple's expensive, and one option-only. (okay, 5c too)
Where Android phones in the same price scale, will top at quad core with double the speeds. RAM too.
What phone would you suggest i get then? In Denmark the variety of sold phones is limited.
You can see them here www . telenor . dk / privat / mobil /
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Android all the way. With the customizations and the community you can't go wrong.
iPhone: good camera, fast, decent battery life
Android: everything else
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android - viruses and lots of apps
iOS - nice phone
So, with all the new tech announced and released the last couple of weeks, it gave me an idea to do something a bit different and rather than just covering the devices, actually getting YOUR input on why you guys like Android over iPhone and vice-versa after actually be asked and not random arguments in YouTube comments. Be sure to leave a comment with your reasoning behind what you pick whilst keeping yourself from being completely biased if you can.
I had an iPhone and switched over to Android and probably won't ever go back. The amount of customisation and mods you can make on Android is incredible, plus if you're not incredibly tech savvy even a custom ROM can give someone everything they'd want in a phone in a way that a jailbroken iPhone just never could for me,
Just wish there was a public release of something I came across a few months ago called "Cider for Android" which let iOS apps run natively on Android. Would be cool to have the option to have both kinds of apps on a single device.
Android ...
I would try apple only when it leaves the motor cycle segment and comes back to mobile segment..
I love everything you can do on an Android that you can't on an iPhone. Customizations, rooting, custom ROMS, being free from iTunes, etc.
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Well I came back to Apple
Well my first smartphone was 3 GS jailbroken. Ran good, but customization sucked, even with cydia. So got a Desire HD, and Played around with different ROMS. It was cool for a while, then got Samsung Note, and Note 2. they were both ok, but not that many ROMs for them. So when I got sick of that, went back to an iPhone 5. Overall I'm pretty happy with it. Functionality is the main reason I went back I guess, asa with Android, if you customized it you had to almost always give something up.
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Well my first smartphone was 3 GS jailbroken. Ran good, but customization sucked, even with cydia. So got a Desire HD, and Played around with different ROMS. It was cool for a while, then got Samsung Note, and Note 2. they were both ok, but not that many ROMs for them. So when I got sick of that, went back to an iPhone 5. Overall I'm pretty happy with it. Functionality is the main reason I went back I guess, asa with Android, if you customized it you had to almost always give something up.
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U didnt tried a nexus ?
Root + xposed is only thing needed to achieve extreme customization without giving up anything...
I would try a iphone 5s if my dad allows me to exchange my nexus 5 wid it....lol
Chose android because there's so much more you can do with it it seems. Like when it comes to customization. You can choose different ROMs, kernals, etc. Just seem to have more freedom on android.
Originally I went with Android simply because I didn't like Apple/iTunes. I've always preferred PCs, and iTunes is one of the worst programs created (along with Real Player and Windows Vista). It wasn't until later on I learned the limitations of iOS outside of jailbreaking, short battery life, lack of 3rd party keyboards, and other such things. As time went on, I was increasingly happy I went with Android. I had LTE while everybody's iPhones topped out at 14.4Mb/s 3G. Expanding storage cost way less (and still does). Apple kickstarted the smartphone market; they weren't the first, but they were the ones that spurred on the revolution. But refusing to evolve outside their own little box that they prided themselves on thinking outside of made them fall way behind.
Obviously, many people will still and always love iPhones. The larger screens of the 6 and 6 Plus are obvious confessions by Apple that they've had their head up their collective ass for years. 4 years ago Steve Jobs said nobody will buy a phone that big (referring to the "huge" 4.3" screen of the Motorola Droid X). Samsung proved him wrong 3 years ago with the Galaxy S2, then the Note series, and have been proving him wrong ever since.
Frankly, I think iOS is just fine as an operating system. Is it the OS for me? Hell no. But I can't deny that it's well designed, well rounded, and nobody can deny the apps and games available for it. And if I had to, I could "get by" with an iPhone, since it will do pretty much anything I would want a smartphone to do throughout my day. But I also know I'd grow bored with it, and frustrated that I can't modify/customize/optimize it like I can an Android phone. And I'd never actually pay for an iPhone, unless it was an absurdly good deal (and I'd probably resell it anyway).
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I went with Android over apple because my friend had just got the new Galaxy Nexus back in 2011 and he was talking about how badass it was and how you could root it and unlock it so after I saw his I had to get my own and I also was told that you cant install roms on Apple phones.
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Well my first smartphone was 3 GS jailbroken. Ran good, but customization sucked, even with cydia. So got a Desire HD, and Played around with different ROMS. It was cool for a while, then got Samsung Note, and Note 2. they were both ok, but not that many ROMs for them. So when I got sick of that, went back to an iPhone 5. Overall I'm pretty happy with it. Functionality is the main reason I went back I guess, asa with Android, if you customized it you had to almost always give something up.
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what is a 3GS? is that a Nexus S?
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what is a 3GS? is that a Nexus S?
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iPhone 3GS I imagine, one of these things: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_3GS
Android... Widgets, customizations, opened system... And definitely hardware. I had iPhone and this is not bad device but not for me.
Pretty Interesting Question Though
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I think up till now iPhone was the way to go. As much as android might have customisability and whatnot Apple was always superior in the UI and experience department in my opinion. However L is going a long way and will change things I think
Android first place.
Im waiting to firefox os,can be installed easy in android phones.
Can be interesting test it.
I think both OS have their benefits, which I won't go into because it's a long-winded talk we've all heard before. I used to use Apple and liked it fine. Eventually it slowed down after an iOS update and it became out-of-date and I got frustrated with it. Moved over to Android and I like it, though it's not without faults. The main thing I like about Android is the ability to get another battery instead of relying on Apple's in-house repairs and service.
android forever...hahaha:laugh:
The operating system no longer reaches Appel Android, but it has going for it ... a very important therefore it is designed only for your own devices, while Galaxy is an android devices, all with different specifications, measurements, etc ...
Apple is too overpriced, i would pick an iPhone for €400 and a good Android phone for €400 also.
Tablets will be forever Android.
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i prefer android
Went for Android because they had more choice in hardware and were more configurable.
Leaning towards the Windows phone atm though...
Simple question, but I'm interested in hearing the unique reasons why YOU prefer Android over iOS, if you do, haha!
Android is better when using Google service
So many reasons...
- iTunes. If I record a bit of music I play, cut out a section and set it as a ringtone, that's all that's required on an Android. On an iPhone.. I'd have to record the file. Import it to iTunes, export it to the phone. Cut out the segment. Import it to iTunes, export it to the Phone, and only then can I set it as a ringtone. That's ridiculous.
- Choices. I want to decide my settings and options. I don't need Apple to tell me what I can and can't do.
- Multitasking. iOS still can't truly multitask.
- Continuing on that theme, Spen with Penwindow. If you've ever used it, you'll know what I mean with true multitasking and Apple's restricted system.
- Customisability. I'm a designer. I want my phone to looks the way I like it, not the way Apple has decided it should look, exactly the same as every other iPhone user.
- Zooper, Themes, Icons, Colours...
- Live Wallpapers. The thing that wows every Apple user I speak to. I'm using Forest HD, a living forest. You don't get such modern things on an iPhone.
- Specifications. Have you seen the specifications in an iPhone 6? They're equal to those in a 2012 Note 2. And people are paying 1000 quid for such outdated rubbish?
- Design. I think iPhones are, and always have been, abysmal. Like a 60 quid Toys'r'us phone, the ones they sold with candy in it before Apple came with a smartphone.
More customization on android.
Apple is too damn expensive.
You pay extra for that apple symbol on the back, not for better hardware.
That to me is rediculous.
there was a portal discussion just a week ago about that...
The first of all is that Android is open.
I have a choice to get an app from Amazon Appstore, Play Store, or any else I like.
And I can easily install apps developed by myself to my smart devices.
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Android is an open source operating system which is Linux based. In whole world, many users are commonly using Android phones compared the iOS. Several phones based on Android are available in different size, price and features. But iOS is only adopted by Apple devices. The Lollipop is the latest version of Android OS.
I can't afford any iOS phone :crying: But anyway, i love Android because of it customizability of course
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Android is an open source operating system which is Linux based. In whole world, many users are commonly using Android phones compared the iOS. Several phones based on Android are available in different size, price and features. But iOS is only adopted by Apple devices. The Lollipop is the latest version of Android OS.
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This is not completely true. Only AOSP is open source. Many versions of android are completely closed sourced.
Android is cheaper? More free apps?
I'd like to try iOS if I have enough money :crying:
Simple. With Android, we have XDA And with iOS..... I think I would have to google that. XD
I have used ios 5 to 7 on my iphone 4s but about 8 months ago i switched to android with a galaxy s4. And I can tell you that it was the best choice ever. The galaxy s4 was very fast even with touchwizz even faster thn the current iphone at the time but after some time i flashed a google play edition rom and i just shat my pants right there. But this is ofcourse all personal preferences.
I prefer android for many reason, i.e. it is an open os, many free app and especially you have a great choice of devices!
Mostly for the ability to debug and release apps without paying a $99/year fee. I'm just a poor college student, and having to spend $99/year just to debug apps is a bit overkill. Overall, however, iOS apps still seem to be of better quality than Android ones.
I dont want to pay for an apple which is not in shape