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MeeGo and symbian on for example desire!

Can someone try to run MeeGo and port symbian to android phones? MeeGo shouldn't be hard, as it's just a linux distribution. But they may perhaps be problems with it, and everyone must see symbian ^3 on HTC phones before Nokia N8...
!!!PLEASE!!!

Why would.you want this exactly?

MeeGo for coolness and.. just to try it out, and symbian to own nokias(N97,X6) that cost the same as desire and etc. but are twice the slow.

Now all Nokia N series(including Nokia N8) will have meego!!! Come on someone try it! Any other phone MUST be 2nd phone with MeeGo ever!!! Nokia N900 boo!!!!! ONLY 600MHZ CPU CAN'T BEAT CURRENT HTC(and other's) SMARTPHONES!!!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

follow this thread... i want to try meeGo on my htc (magic)..
if i can , i want to try a multiboot with other o.s. can i do it ??

Yes you should be able to do it the same way as all other linux OSes. You must have ROOT access and download MeeGo version for ARM or try for x86

if Aiphone can boot 2 o.s. , i think that android phones can boot others o.s. but i don't know how i can try...

Is kind of useless to use something like meego on HTC handsets. First of all, wait to see the first phones on the market with this OS.
From my point of view, MeeGo is just another marketing thing from Nokia, because Symbian is running low right now. But N8 is going to have Symbian^3, with minor modifications (in UI terms) by comparison with Symbian^1.
A good project might be booting Android on Samsung i8910. Impresive HW, pointless SW.

No no n8 will have MeeGo.
And I want to show off that the 1ghz CPUs own nokia's lazy 400-600Mhz "smart"phone CPUs.

[Q] [N00b] Nokia N8 with android why not?

Hey,
Why is there no android version for the N8?
Could anyone create it? There is enough animo for it.
If i read some forums I see that some people want it. Why not?
Also it has the best mobile camera in the world.
If someone can run android on it it would be the best device ever. (I think)
I could find an answer on this forum. But I think this is already changed.
(That there isn't enough animo for it. But there is!)
I'm also a newb in this world. But I like android and the compatibility that the most devices already have with it.
Kevin

I dont know if its that simple. I dont rly know if the android suitable for N8, anyway would be nice to have it (even though that i have HD2, which i think that is much better than N8.) If its possible, my friends will have android too! xD

indeed!
I think an android developer must buy an n8.. that he can see it's a wonderfull device.
And then create android for it.

Not all phones are like hd2, where you can have different os
Sent from HTC HD2 with Android

Not all people wants a HD2

you are not alone my friend!
I too wish the N8 had Android.
It is a much better device than the HD2, screen size isn't everything.

coldest~~~ said:
Not all phones are like hd2, where you can have different os
Sent from HTC HD2 with Android
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anything is possible, it just takes time.
and in the HD2's favor, it had hardware that was common across different platforms.
plus a big userbase

Isnt the N8 nokia soft based on Debian? couldn't drivers be ported my friend has this device and yes the camera is amazing on it

I thougt it was only meego and maemo wich is debian based?

i was thinking to get a nokia n8 untill ive found out that nokia had very low quality development for that new symbian version, and that they moved torwards windows mobile... i never liked windows mobile and since they were not going for android i said whats the point, on paper the nokia n8 is amazing, but it has some problems aswell, for example the cpu is only 625mhz, while its arguably enough to run android, im not entirely sure it has all the instruction sets compatible with it, emulation is out of the question too, the android code would have to be natively changed to work for it, and then there had to be the matter of games, they also had to be coded properly for that specific gpu,cpu and sound chip, accelerometer and so on.
So thats why ppl dont usually port phones to android, its a mess to code and most of the drivers they have to code them from scratch.

TheWarKeeper said:
i was thinking to get a nokia n8 untill ive found out that nokia had very low quality development for that new symbian version, and that they moved torwards windows mobile... i never liked windows mobile and since they were not going for android i said whats the point, on paper the nokia n8 is amazing, but it has some problems aswell, for example the cpu is only 625mhz, while its arguably enough to run android, im not entirely sure it has all the instruction sets compatible with it, emulation is out of the question too, the android code would have to be natively changed to work for it, and then there had to be the matter of games, they also had to be coded properly for that specific gpu,cpu and sound chip, accelerometer and so on.
So thats why ppl dont usually port phones to android, its a mess to code and most of the drivers they have to code them from scratch.
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The CPU is official build for 750mhz. So it can run faster.. Also i heard that the new version of android (3.0?) has hardware acceleration for the UI. So the GPU can be used for it.

cpu for android need nore juice and ram.
battery life will be hunger for more to join android.
nokia seem battery effective device.low power consumption

under18 said:
cpu for android need nore juice and ram.
battery life will be hunger for more to join android.
nokia seem battery effective device.low power consumption
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Why?
The HTC ChaCha and Salsa has a 600 mhz processor... And still Android runs on it.
Indeed the ram is littlebit low 256 mb...

Chacha is 800Mhz, 512 of ram..

yeah i wish that someone would find a way to port android to n8 i recently got one and dont like symbian os, any way i'll keep on searching if no luck, guess i have to get an android phone
Edit: forgot to say i had a sony ericsson x8 which had 600 Mhz processor and 256mb ram and i was even able to run android 4.0 on it dunno why n8 would not run on this device

The question is why port android to N8? The N8 is a wonderful device as is. If you have an N8 you probably bought it for it's camera prowess. Bonus: you get a very long battery life (compared to droids). Now if you want to port android on it then it will become power hungry and will be full of glitches since it has poor dev support. Also, you wouldn't want a slow droid. 600mhz for a droid is quite slow, and as stated, the RAM is low. You're better off buying an affordable Galaxy Y. Believe me it's quite fast, if you can live with it's low res screen.
Cheers,
Cezar

kevinwalter said:
Hey,
Why is there no android version for the N8?
Could anyone create it? There is enough animo for it.
If i read some forums I see that some people want it. Why not?
Also it has the best mobile camera in the world.
If someone can run android on it it would be the best device ever. (I think)
I could find an answer on this forum. But I think this is already changed.
(That there isn't enough animo for it. But there is!)
I'm also a newb in this world. But I like android and the compatibility that the most devices already have with it.
Kevin
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it's not possible to port Android or any other OS to symbian phones because of locked bootloaders by Nokia
Nokia n9 is running meego OS which is with unlocked bootloaders and that's why this phone can have dual boot or just one OS like Android 4.x.x ICS

I want it too
I have an Nokia N8 too and i would love to run android on it.
So if there is any way to install android on it....

I also have nokia n8, it was really a great phone,hi quality build, superb. And I fine with symbian^3 but what bothering me was that the nokia apps store is getting useless. I need BBM and can't find any.

[Q] Vivaz s60 v5 to android?

Hello I'm new to this whole android thing and the forum so im sorry if i posted in the wrong area. Anyways i have a Sony Ericsson vivaz (pile of sh*t) which runs the Symbian ^1 (s60 v5) and i was wondering how to replace it with the android os. (don't need to be the latest version) I have read somewhere before the vivaz specs are similar to some android phone (x8 i think). Any help would be amazing as i still got over a year with this cr*p phone.

There's no way to replace symbian with android on the Vivaz. Sorry to break the bad news to you

not even with an earliest version of the android os?
anyway to replace or maybe upgrade the existing symbian os on the vivaz?

brulexlaga said:
anyway to replace or maybe upgrade the existing symbian os on the vivaz?
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Not unless Sony decides to push out an update. I've owned three Nokia S60 handsets and one of my big complaints was that, aside from occasional bug fixes, S60 devices are stuck with the OS version they shipped with.

what a joke. as far as i am aware the symbian os is open source so surely someone could find a way to update the vivaz os

Symbian was open source (Nokia recently closed it again) but it's just the kernel and framework. All the apps that make up the ROM are definitely not open. Combine that with locked bootloaders and that's why Symbian hacking communities have never materialized.
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I ain't got a clue to be honest but i know you can still download symbian sdks (however at at 200mb at least doesn't look very appealing). I cant wait for my contract to finish so i can get rid of this pile of sh*t they call VIVAZ!! Never buying a Sony Ericsson again that's for sure

lumia 710 dual boot

Hey Guys does anybody know that if lumia 710 can be dual booted(windows phone+android os) as htc-hd2(can check on youtube)??
Developers like ultrashot,lucifer3006,dft has blessed us with huge utilities of wp7 but can they make "THIS" happen????

Pretty unlikely. You'd have to make an Android firmware for the Lumia, which would require a bunch of drivers that aren't available. The HD2 is relatively easy to port to because there are lots of Android phones from HTC, plus people know a lot about the HD2's internals and can use tools like HaRET to study it. None of that is currently true with the Lumias.
That said, somebody could surprise me. Just don't hold your breath.

GoodDayToDie said:
Pretty unlikely. You'd have to make an Android firmware for the Lumia, which would require a bunch of drivers that aren't available. The HD2 is relatively easy to port to because there are lots of Android phones from HTC, plus people know a lot about the HD2's internals and can use tools like HaRET to study it. None of that is currently true with the Lumias.
That said, somebody could surprise me. Just don't hold your breath.
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but some nokia belle os devices are able to have android on them .. , would it be possible to have dualboot with belle os?

leostimac said:
but some nokia belle os devices are able to have android on them .. , would it be possible to have dualboot with belle os?
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LOL DUDE!!! Symbian Devices from Nokia has locked UBOOT bootloaders, so Installing android on them is not possible. Maybe you are pointing at Nokia N9 which is not a symbian phone, and it runs on MeeGo OS which is Linux-based... Like he said earlier, Installing android on Lumia is not possible yet, but let's wait for our friendly devs to fix that... hehe

[Q] Why Windows Os can run on allmost all Pcs and why Android roms can not?

Noob question, i dont understand why Windows os can run on allmost all computers and why Android roms does not ?

Because windows is a computer OS and Android is a mobile Os
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I mean why Android roms for example Cynaogenmode 9 for Samsung cant go also on HTC if im not wrong, but windows can run on all computer.. i just dont understand why ??, I'm just started new flashing roms ecc. I was used to the pc that was so simple.

Tauros360 said:
I mean why Android roms for example Cynaogenmode 9 for Samsung cant go also on HTC if im not wrong, but windows can run on all computer.. i just dont understand why ??, I'm just started new flashing roms ecc. I was used to the pc that was so simple.
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Because Windows os support x32 x64 and you can install drivers for your computer.

aleranol said:
Because Windows os support x32 x64 and you can install drivers for your computer.
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I dinnt understand well, butt why they cant do this also on smarphones, for example on the computer you got the Bios and if somthing goes wrong with your OS you can always go to the bios ecc. But why they dont do the same on phones ?

Windows : An OS : Runs on PCs
Android : Also an OS : Runs on smart phones
Some basic common sense..
So this question is pointless

aleranol said:
Because Windows os support x32 x64 and you can install drivers for your computer.
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DD-Ripper said:
Windows : An OS : Runs on PCs
Android : Also an OS : Runs on smart phones
Some basic common sense..
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Im started new flashing roms ecc. i still dont have much experience, first i thought that the Clockworkmode ecc was a smartphone Bios but then on the internet i read about many people briking phones by flashing wrong roms ecc. when i firs was thinking that you could always recover from Cwm like on the computer Bios but it was'n like this. So i was thinking, why ? there isnt something like a bios on the android phones ? so you can always recover if something goes wrong ?

actually this is an excellent question......whats so hard abt having a mothwrboard that boots up in bios....nad then it allows u to install whatever system u want. after that u get to download drivers for ur hardware from some system driver pool....basically most phones have the closely the same hardware in our days especially when u can make use of sd cards as an external source like dvds nd cds.....the question is why r smartphones os's built in a different way and what stops them from being composed this way? isnt it more logical?

Tauros360 said:
Im started new flashing roms ecc. i still dont have much experience, first i thought that the Clockworkmode ecc was a smartphone Bios but then on the internet i read about many people briking phones by flashing wrong roms ecc. when i firs was thinking that you could always recover from Cwm like on the computer Bios but it was'n like this. So i was thinking, why ? there isnt something like a bios on the android phones ? so you can always recover if something goes wrong ?
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Cwm=1/2bios. Windows is open for all part combination with drivers. But android or other mobile os are cant support different drivers. Companies select os and other parts and develop correct drivers for parts and os. Mobile devices have special drivers. But pcs are have open for all drivers.
This text hard for me because i m turk.

This is a fantastic question! Essentially what has happened over the years is chip makers have designed their hardware around the windows os, and they have been able to do so because the windows os is a boxed software that, for the most part, cannot be changed. The Android os on the other hand is open sourced and can be tweaked 10 ways to Sunday, which is why most of us prefer it over ios or win mobile. The downside (kind of) is that the phones and tablets are specifically designed around the os and the os around the device. So in order to upgrade the os either the manufacturer (Samsung, Motorola etc) has to develop one or one of the brilliant coders out there has to work on developing one from the source code when it is released by Google. Hope this helps.
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Great question, Many answers definitely.
Android OS are built around the phones, around specific devices.
For example:
GS3 and Note 2 are built on somewhat the same,
so odds are specific roms are ported to GS3 ( Serenity 1.2)
but GS3 and HTC One X are two totally different companies with two different builds of components so you'd not have a port from a Note 2 to One X.
It's logic once you look into the components of a phone and how they're built VS how computers are built and such.
GPU, CPU, Storage, etc on a PC are all parted,where-as on a phone they're soldiered onto one main board.

garbour said:
This is a fantastic question! Essentially what has happened over the years is chip makers have designed their hardware around the windows os, and they have been able to do so because the windows os is a boxed software that, for the most part, cannot be changed. The Android os on the other hand is open sourced and can be tweaked 10 ways to Sunday, which is why most of us prefer it over ios or win mobile. The downside (kind of) is that the phones and tablets are specifically designed around the os and the os around the device. So in order to upgrade the os either the manufacturer (Samsung, Motorola etc) has to develop one or one of the brilliant coders out there has to work on developing one from the source code when it is released by Google. Hope this helps.
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Now i understand, thanks i was thinking it would be possible to build phones with a Bios and basic drivers preinstalled in the motherboard, just to run android, and then from there find the driver updates ecc for its own device. That would be much easier for all of us to flash roms, kernels ecc without the risk of briking divices, and also now a days the smartphones are almost like real computers ecc. I think if you got an HTC + 1.7 Ghz x 4 you wouldn't like stop receiving updates for your stock or custom rom because its still a good piece of hardware, and also even if i would got to pay 20 $ for an Android upgrade i wouldn't mind, i think an something thing like a bios in a phone will give a piece of mind for everyone, and it would be much easier.
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caha2639 said:
Great question, Many answers definitely.
Android OS are built around the phones, around specific devices.
For example:
GS3 and Note 2 are built on somewhat the same,
so odds are specific roms are ported to GS3 ( Serenity 1.2)
but GS3 and HTC One X are two totally different companies with two different builds of components so you'd not have a port from a Note 2 to One X.
It's logic once you look into the components of a phone and how they're built VS how computers are built and such.
GPU, CPU, Storage, etc on a PC are all parted,where-as on a phone they're soldiered onto one main board.
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But for example if HTC,Samsung and all manufacturers . install on there mother board a bios + basic drivers for input output ecc. and to separate Android from it. So you could then have a one Android for all. And devs could focus mainly to the functionality and less to the compatibility. It would be fantastic :thumbup:
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As simple answer: Most android devices use a lot of closed source/specification hardware.
Plus locked/partially locked bootloader
In windows (and linux too) kernel there is a lot of closed blobs which work fine on pc because they were precompiled under x86 arch, but there's no use for them on our arm devices.
If we had open specifications and hardware device, we wouldn't have any trouble getting OS in there(that's what china manufacturer do)
As usual - the only issue is copyright.
Go OSS!
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Android and windows have more in common then anyone is letting on.
Wi ndows is closed source some other android is closed. Some of is is open.
Even though most of yours computers have windows dosnt mean that you can take the hard drive from one computer and expect for the Oscar to boot while in another computer. They all have drivers that are gding to be different.
Computers have biOs because of many different reasons. Computers are versatile smartphones are a relatively specialsized piece of equipment.
The question you ask has an answer but I think the same question can be asked aboout the differences between a couch and a chair. Someone just thought of a way to do somthing and it became the standard. Again computers freeway more advanced then smartphones. How many boot devices can you have on a smart phone? MAybe 2. Computers can have many hdds, many optical, many usb devices, many network boots...etc etc
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Tauros360 said:
Noob question, i dont understand why Windows os can run on allmost all computers and why Android roms does not ?
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Windows has been around forever.

pixelshuck said:
As simple answer: Most android devices use a lot of closed source/specification hardware.
Plus locked/partially locked bootloader
In windows (and linux too) kernel there is a lot of closed blobs which work fine on pc because they were precompiled under x86 arch, but there's no use for them on our arm devices.
If we had open specifications and hardware device, we wouldn't have any trouble getting OS in there(that's what china manufacturer do)
As usual - the only issue is copyright.
Go OSS!
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So in chinese phones its possible to do this ? For example on my computer i have tried windows, ubuntu ecc all on the same hardware. so in chinese phone its possible to boot Android or Windows 8 mobile on the same hardware ? i dont understand now, its is possible but manufactures dont do it or its a tecnical problem. ?

Tauros360 said:
So in chinese phones its possible to do this ? For example on my computer i have tried windows, ubuntu ecc all on the same hardware. so in chinese phone its possible to boot Android or Windows 8 mobile on the same hardware ? i dont understand now, its is possible but manufactures dont do it or its a tecnical problem. ?
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No it doesn't matter. It is alot of closed source stuff in windows. Not to mention MS would C&D anyone that may even try. Even the new windows 8 32 bit pc systems have a locked bootloader so you can't change the OS
Sent from Arkham

pixelshuck said:
As simple answer: Most android devices use a lot of closed source/specification hardware.
Plus locked/partially locked bootloader
In windows (and linux too) kernel there is a lot of closed blobs which work fine on pc because they were precompiled under x86 arch, but there's no use for them on our arm devices.
If we had open specifications and hardware device, we wouldn't have any trouble getting OS in there(that's what china manufacturer do)
As usual - the only issue is copyright.
Go OSS!
Sent from my Xperia Mini Pro using xda premium
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potna said:
Android and windows have more in common then anyone is letting on.
Wi ndows is closed source some other android is closed. Some of is is open.
Even though most of yours computers have windows dosnt mean that you can take the hard drive from one computer and expect for the Oscar to boot while in another computer. They all have drivers that are gding to be different.
Computers have biOs because of many different reasons. Computers are versatile smartphones are a relatively specialsized piece of equipment.
The question you ask has an answer but I think the same question can be asked aboout the differences between a couch and a chair. Someone just thought of a way to do somthing and it became the standard. Again computers freeway more advanced then smartphones. How many boot devices can you have on a smart phone? MAybe 2. Computers can have many hdds, many optical, many usb devices, many network boots...etc etc
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Im a little confused because i dont have any experience in how software and hardware runs together even i would like to learn it , all i know is that i cant put an AMD CPU on a Intel compatible motherboard, but an AMD and intel computers can run both on windows, Ubuntu, ecc. So now i understand that almost all Smartphones have diffrent hardware, but they can not all run on a one Android version, but Android needs to be customized to the hardware. Am i wright ? Do you think if manufactures produce there hardware to fit in a one Android version, and devs focus in a one Android version, and also roms could be compatible for all devices, if im not wrong. Because what i sow now is that many devs work more on compatibility, and if it was the other way they could realy focus on the functionality of Roms ecc. I'm still new in this world and i have a lot of things to learn, so im asking you guys, because you know more than me, so i could learn somthing from you.

Biggest problem of mobile devices is lack of good boot "catcher", as in BIOS, whom would allow custom kernel load.
Despite being binary compable(not always), the way android is being started differs.
The best we are getting is unlocked BL, but never open one.
Also, you have mentioned china devices.
On some chinese smartphones fully open bootloader is present, that's why it is possible to launch ubuntu and even windows(on atom tablets).
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