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4G not implimented yet!!?? plus more

ok i havent seen a post for this so here we go..
if you use adw launcher and custom make an icon attached to the hidden menu apk you can access the test and servicing menus like other phones BUT... if you go into test settings for phone (play around its in there) there is a menu the shows hspda (3g, hspda+ being 4g) and many other functions that are advertised on the phone that are all listed as NOT IMPLIMENTED YET!!
so as far as i can tell 4g is NOT active on tmobile at all yet. not until the software is upgraded (gingerbread i am assuming). so it would make sense why the signal on the phone is screwed up and dropping (confused phone maybe?) and why im still getting 3g speeds (slightly faster maybe from better signal reception due to upgraded hardware from my previous Vibrant).
go take a look for yourself and let me know what you think. im sure you can use desktop visualizer to get to the menu to. DONT MESS WITH ANYTHING THOUGH. i had to reset my phone and not with a hard reset, but a recovery i found on a nvflash website. almost bricked it. so just look but don't touch anything important unless you know what your doing.
im looking forward to hearing what everything thinks of this and the giant list of other features also saying this in the same menu. because i feel mislead just a little bit.....

I think it's just that the functions in the hidden menu aren't implemented yet.

Hmmm, interesting find! Maybe this explains the problems I'm having maintaining a stable 2g only connection as well

Dolphinwigs said:
ok i havent seen a post for this so here we go..
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There's a reason for that...
so as far as i can tell 4g is NOT active on tmobile at all yet. not until the software is upgraded (gingerbread i am assuming)
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I've got a hot 4g connection where I am (west Texas), you don't get 4.9-5.6mb (Speedtest) download on 3g. Did you check the T-Mobile coverage map to see if you have it in your area yet?
Edit: you also may need a new sim card. Depending on the age of the card, you might not be able to get a stable lock on to 4g (age as in what generation it was produced.. not how long you've had it)

thats possible, but im getting 3g speeds still as far as i can tell and i don't see why it wouldnt be included in the "hidden menu" if it is working since we aren't "really" supposed to know about the hidden menu. anyways just something i noticed.
menu is Hidden Menu->modem settings is where the menu is at.
and i got a new sim card (tired 2 new ones both the same) and yes i am in salt lake city and it is a 4g area for tmobile. but seems like everyone (mostly) is getting signal drops all over the place. my 2g isn't working as consistantly as it did before on my vibrant either. im sure gingerbread will fix all of this though.

I'm getting 4-8mps down in Metro Atlanta. I say 4G speed is on.

jdkackley said:
Hmmm, interesting find! Maybe this explains the problems I'm having maintaining a stable 2g only connection as well
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I'm having the same problem, and I've even got a 2G booster in my house. My 2G connection drops all the time on my G2X but not my Vibrant. When I look at the signal strength when it's up it's not much different than the Vibrant, -104dBm on the G2X vs -100 dBm on the Vibrant

Im at a consistent 6-9mb dl at my house with a 1mb+ ul. Im calling it 4g and have you tried your conn outside of your city to see if its just congestion on the network?

I'm also getting 4-8mbps speeds in Atlanta, 4g is definitely working.

I'm in vegas, every hour, I get only 10 or 20mn of 4g at 6Mb download speed, the rest of the time I'm on 2g. At night time,i get 4g most of the time. So I guess in the day time, they kick me back to 2g to save their bandwitch, I'm returning my phone to let them know this is not acceptable
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My phone SAYS 4G all the time in Charlotte NC but I have only been getting 1mb DL and about 1.5 upload. The weird thing is that browsing the web is lightening fast compared to the vibrant. I would say it loads pages twice as fast.

jrharvey said:
My phone SAYS 4G all the time in Charlotte NC but I have only been getting 1mb DL and about 1.5 upload. The weird thing is that browsing the web is lightening fast compared to the vibrant. I would say it loads pages twice as fast.
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Not sure but this may have as much to do with the processor and RAM speed as the connection speed.

I get crap speeds compared to the Nexus S, and that phone doesn't support full hspa+

jlevy73 said:
I get crap speeds compared to the Nexus S, and that phone doesn't support full hspa+
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I am not complaining about my speeds which are plenty good IMO, averaging around 3-3.5 mbps. However, I have been surprised that they are no better than my Nexus One was that also didn't support HSPA+.

A few things, before we get too heavy handed on the FUD:
The phone is technically '4G' compatible, and it supports it out of the box.
Most of T-Mo's towers have been upgraded to support their 4G (HSPA+)
Regular HSPA caps out at about 3.5Mbps down. I've gotten as much as 7Mbps down on my G2x
Personally, I haven't had many issues with signal, but I live in Houston, so that may have something to do with it.

4g is on in Huntington Beach, and irvine.
I did notice its not a huge difference speed wise though. I had the moto cliq 3g and i would get 1mbs ish to 5mbs DL, and with the G2x im averaging about 3mbs to 7mbs. not a huge difference but the big change is Latency. I used to rock 700ms to 1000ms on 3g with my cliq, im getting around 55ms to 150ms on my G2x.
Latency is key for me though, i would prefer lower latency than higher download speeds. Due to the fact I need to vpn and voip with company network.
I found that t mobiles 3g network is still very capable in speed. the main issue i had was my cliq was underpowered to handle the t mobiles network. when i would tether my rooted nook color it would perform like a champ.

jimbo831 said:
I am not complaining about my speeds which are plenty good IMO, averaging around 3-3.5 mbps. However, I have been surprised that they are no better than my Nexus One was that also didn't support HSPA+.
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Where do you live? Is it possible T-Mo may not support HSPA+ in your area?
It's also important to note that even if the towers you're connected to support HSPA+, that's only one part of the process. They also have to upgrade the data connection to the tower itself (backhaul) to ensure it can handle the speeds. If you're connected to an HSPA+ tower that doesn't have the upgraded backhaul, that could explain slow speeds.

No.
HSPA+ ("4G") is on and working. You're just not in an HSPA+ area it seems.
We're all getting faster than HSPA speeds, so we are certainly on HSPA+. Speedtests are the best way for you to verify if you are on EDGE (2G), HSPA (3G), or HSPA+ (4G).

I would like a 3g icon just top know what type of tower I'm on, I think the baseband is wack, I bet when gingerbread comes out we will get the separate icons... Also my vibrant would get steady 5-6mb down 2mb up, but with this phone its anything but steady, I can get up to 8mb down but its crazy random, regular use is sometimes slow initializing, and someones websites timeout.... I think a baseband upgrade will fix all this stuff tho, or software upgrades.
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pychobj2001 said:
I would like a 3g icon just top know what type of tower I'm on, I think the baseband is wack, I bet when gingerbread comes out we will get the separate icons... Also my vibrant would get steady 5-6mb down 2mb up, but with this phone its anything but steady, I can get up to 8mb down but its crazy random, regular use is sometimes slow initializing, and someones websites timeout.... I think a baseband upgrade will fix all this stuff tho, or software upgrades.
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That's the thing though. The way T-Mo has their network setup, if you can get 3G from a tower, you should be able to get 4G. Period. You may not get 4G speeds, but you're technically connected to an HSPA+ tower, and thus the 4G icon. It'd be weird to connect a tower that supports HSPA at this point, but not HSPA+ (though I'm sure there are some out there)

Data Network Speed Fix for AT&T

I wish there was a fix for our infuse to get better data download and upload like this fix.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=584409
the above fix made a huge difference on my windows phone.
just a thought and please don't flame.

we alread have it! infact we have better! there is not speed fix because att included there best into this phone! if you see other phones download faster it is just differences in the modem.bin that are not well understood and they are more or less lucky, if you go to a different area you might find that opposite situation with the same two phones.
that is a mod to get hspa. hspa is more or less 3.5g or 3g+ as it is known on some over sees cariers. what we have is hspa+ which is what gives us the abilities to get 4g like speeds on the 3g network. if you look at the att 4g ads the small print say"4g speed brought to you by hspa+ with enhanced backhaul" the being a "4g" phone it has it enabled.

Be ready...

Dani897 said:
we alread have it! infact we have better! there is not speed fix because att included there best into this phone! if you see other phones download faster it is just differences in the modem.bin that are not well understood and they are more or less lucky, if you go to a different area you might find that opposite situation with the same two phones.
that is a mod to get hspa. hspa is more or less 3.5g or 3g+ as it is known on some over sees cariers. what we have is hspa+ which is what gives us the abilities to get 4g like speeds on the 3g network. if you look at the att 4g ads the small print say"4g speed brought to you by hspa+ with enhanced backhaul" the being a "4g" phone it has it enabled.
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Actually, when I browse the internet, I compare the infuse and my tilt2 with the fix and my tilt2 is at times faster than my infuse. and of course there are times when my infuse is lighting fast in the same place (home)
but that fix makes a huge difference.

Ltilt2 said:
Actually, when I browse the internet, I compare the infuse and my tilt2 with the fix and my tilt2 is at times faster than my infuse. and of course there are times when my infuse is lighting fast in the same place (home)
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are you checking the transfer rates o just going off feel? the android browser is not the best and on 2.2 feels laggy on hummingbird based phones. try opera mobile. when 2.3 becomes available you will see a world of difference.
if you confirm you are not getting transfer rate on the infuse that you get on the tilt then it may be a problem with your area. i assure you hspa+ works on the infuse and is faster than hspa. any bias towards the tilt in your area has to do withe the towers and network policies.

Dani897 said:
are you checking the transfer rates o just going off feel? the android browser is not the best and on 2.2 feels laggy on hummingbird based phones. try opera mobile. when 2.3 becomes available you will see a world of difference.
if you confirm you are not getting transfer rate on the infuse that you get on the tilt then it may be a problem with your area. i assure you hspa+ works on the infuse and is faster than hspa. any bias towards the tilt in your area has to do withe the towers and network policies.
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try both phones on a speed test website like speakeasy.com

Dani897 said:
are you checking the transfer rates o just going off feel? the android browser is not the best and on 2.2 feels laggy on hummingbird based phones. try opera mobile. when 2.3 becomes available you will see a world of difference.
if you confirm you are not getting transfer rate on the infuse that you get on the tilt then it may be a problem with your area. i assure you hspa+ works on the infuse and is faster than hspa. any bias towards the tilt in your area has to do withe the towers and network policies.
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I did try opera on the infuse but, I have a problem connecting. I always get, network error connection, please check your network connection settings.
on the tilt2, it always stays on H. on the infuse, it always changes to either, E, G, H+.
Do you guys know if HDPA is supported everywhere? cause it would be nice to tweak the infuse with just using H+ and H.

Ltilt2 said:
I did try opera on the infuse but, I have a problem connecting. I always get, network error connection, please check your network connection settings.
on the tilt2, it always stays on H. on the infuse, it's always changes to either, E, G, H+.
Do you guys know if HDPA is supported everywhere? cause it would be nice to tweak the infuse with just using H+ and H.
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what it really sounds like now is that you have poor reception, how many bars do you see?
i guess it could be other problems with the tower, the tower just might not like the infuses modem files for some unknown reason. it could be a faulty infuse or it could be a problem in your local area.

Dani897 said:
what it really sounds like now is that you have poor reception, how many bars do you see?
i guess it could be other problems with the tower, the tower just might not like the infuses modem files for some unknown reason. it could be a faulty infuse or it could be a problem in your local area.
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I always have 1 bar for both the tilt and the infuse.
Before I did the fix to the tilt2, oh boy, it sucked try getting a connection but after the fix, I connect every time and this was and is with 1 bar.
That's why I was saying, I wish we could get a fix, to get hdpa or h+ on the infuse all the time. I'm sure hdpa is supported everywhere.

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I always have 1 bar for both the tilt and the infuse.
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1 bar?! seriously.. come on dude
the problem doesnt have anything to do with the settings that came on your phone.. the problem is you dont have reception.

I forgot maybe 2 weeks ago there was a thread about changing the packet size of the data to speed things up... I think that helped a little, but I have no idea since I usually have pretty good signal

bradbusa said:
1 bar?! seriously.. come on dude
the problem doesnt have anything to do with the settings that came on your phone.. the problem is you dont have reception.
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I know the problem is that I dont have good reception at home.....this only happens at home...but what I'm saying is that my tilt2 had the same problem with reception but after I did the dataspeed fix, I didn't have that problem any more...comprende????

AT&T 4G are you on it?

After getting very poor speeds, I never got above 4.1, I stopped in my local AT&T shop.
Turns out that when I went from my Blackberry to the Infuse, they never put me on the 4G plan, only on the unlimited data plan.
I haven't been up to Nashville to test whether my Infuse is now connecting at AT&T's 4G, but I just wanted to let everyone know. That if you got grandfathered in, they may not have put you on the 4G unlimited plan.

4g umlimited plan is just what their calling their data plans for "4g" devices right now. There 4g network is just a spruced up 3g network and since we use 3g sims it doesnt matter what your plan is you should get faster speeds if they backhauled the network ware you live.
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Truckerglenn said:
After getting very poor speeds, I never got above 4.1, I stopped in my local AT&T shop.
Turns out that when I went from my Blackberry to the Infuse, they never put me on the 4G plan, only on the unlimited data plan.
I haven't been up to Nashville to test whether my Infuse is now connecting at AT&T's 4G, but I just wanted to let everyone know. That if you got grandfathered in, they may not have put you on the 4G unlimited plan.
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I doubt there is a 4G data plan. I am using a 3+ year old SIM (doesn't even say 3G on it) and am getting 5mb speeds and haven't spoken with ATT in years.
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I doubt there is a 4G data plan. I am using a 3+ year old SIM (doesn't even say 3G on it) and am getting 5mb speeds and haven't spoken with ATT in years.
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so you doubt there is a 4g data plan because you have had the same sim card for 3 years and get 3g data speeds???
bottom line there are different data plans for 4g hspa+ data, (same price but different feature code/provisioning) those who dismiss this idea as some kind of att conspiracy theory, well i dont know what to tell you, but maybe you should put some tape over the front facing camera on your phones so "they" cant watch you!

Tomdg07 said:
so you doubt there is a 4g data plan because you have had the same sim card for 3 years and get 3g data speeds???
bottom line there are different data plans for 4g hspa+ data, (same price but different feature code/provisioning) those who dismiss this idea as some kind of att conspiracy theory, well i dont know what to tell you, but maybe you should put some tape over the front facing camera on your phones so "they" cant watch you!
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LOL well said my man. I got that camera on my Thrill 4G as well makes you think huh? Maybe the big blue monster of AT & T really is watchinge type this. Muahahaha!
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Speed tests are not that great...
Well i have noticed that the two major speed test apps are not really that good testing. They are too all over the place, but i can tell my speeds are gaining every day a little bit. 4G is in my area, which i am not supposedly connecting to it fully because i have to wait a while, and I am on the uckd5 modem which seems to work best for me. What is the best speed test app?

I've thought about flashing the uckd5 modem just to see if going back makes a difference.

Truckerglenn said:
I've thought about flashing the uckd5 modem just to see if going back makes a difference.
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D5 isn't going to give you better speeds just by virtue of it being the stock modem that came with the phone...
E3 is supposed to be an improvement on D5... same with G3, but that's it's own special case, since it is the Rogers modem. and H1 is supposed to be an improvement over E3.
i have noticed that they are all very similar when it comes down to it. i get the same speeds with each of them, signal is the same within 10 dbm, and call reception is not different enough among them to notice.
too many variables at play (atmosphere, tower usage, time of day, etc.) to really make a fair determination that one of them is much better than the other.
but yeah, i guess my point is that you won't see better speeds just because you are switching to the modem that the infuse came with, and is "supposed" to be using.

mfpearson said:
D5 isn't going to give you better speeds just by virtue of it being the stock modem that came with the phone...
E3 is supposed to be an improvement on D5... same with G3, but that's it's own special case, since it is the Rogers modem. and H1 is supposed to be an improvement over E3.
i have noticed that they are all very similar when it comes down to it. i get the same speeds with each of them, signal is the same within 10 dbm, and call reception is not different enough among them to notice.
too many variables at play (atmosphere, tower usage, time of day, etc.) to really make a fair determination that one of them is much better than the other.
but yeah, i guess my point is that you won't see better speeds just because you are switching to the modem that the infuse came with, and is "supposed" to be using.
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I could get 6mb download with stock infuse rom, now on infused 2.1 or serenity 7, I can't over 4, think it's just coincidence? I really don't know that much about the modems and their software, I'm a noob at this stuff.
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steadly2004 said:
I could get 6mb download with stock infuse rom, now on infused 2.1 or serenity 7, I can't over 4, think it's just coincidence? I really don't know that much about the modems and their software, I'm a noob at this stuff.
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Those are Rogers GB based ROM's, which are known to have HSPA+ problems.

steadly2004 said:
I could get 6mb download with stock infuse rom, now on infused 2.1 or serenity 7, I can't over 4, think it's just coincidence? I really don't know that much about the modems and their software, I'm a noob at this stuff.
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not a coincidence at all. that's how it should be. if you are truly supposed to be getting 4g speeds in your area, you probably won't see those speeds on a GB based ROM until we no longer have to use Rogers GB as the base for those ROMS.
once the infuse gets the GB update, and the ROMS are based on that update, speeds should be what they are supposed to be.
but your issue is the ROM you are on - not the modem you are using.

My thought.
I am running infused v2.1 with the kd5 modem. I see that the longer i stick with one modem, speeds start increasing. This happens a lot faster with the original modem. Does any one else notice this?

Ryanscool said:
I am running infused v2.1 with the kd5 modem. I see that the longer i stick with one modem, speeds start increasing. This happens a lot faster with the original modem. Does any one else notice this?
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now THAT actually is a coincidence, haha.

Data rates.... as good as sprint 3g?

So I'm on the fence.. I've had Sprint .. the Evo a year ago and I know the speeds of the 3g.. and yeah I know they vary on location.. but the few speedtests I see on people posting on youtube are god awful. I was assuming that since it's evdo rev A. I should get similar speeds.. Am I an ass for assuming? Anybody move from sprint to Virgin and see speed decreases for 3g?

I think you can mod your PRL to get the same access to the towers as normal Sprint cusromers, as we use the same towers. I havent tried it yet.
Sent from my rooted Moto Triumph

Yeah even with a modded PRL you're kind of boned. The best I've ever gotten is 1.2Mbps and that is completely usable, but sadly during the day my speeds are more like 200Kbps which is very very difficult to use when I'm use the the constant 3Mbps of my iphone. The speeds not the end of the world since wifi is everywhere but the slow speeds are still good enough for navigation and what not.

Anyone have Verizon as their service? If so pop on in.

Im going to be coming from Sprint to possibly verizon. I was wondeirng a few things
1. How is the service? I get BAD 3g speeds ( around .5mb ) and 4g is decent whenever I can get it ( 5mb or so ). Whats their average 3g and 4g speeds?
2. What about phones? Im coming from the Evo and its still considered a top contender with the new phones that are out there now. I dont want an iphone, Id like to stay android. Any phones out there that are pretty good?
Any and all help is appreciated.
p.s. I know I have an at&t thread out there too, but Im looking at verizon too.

I get about 1.1mbps on 3g and 8+mbps on 4g.
verizon has a excellent variety of 4g phones..including Galaxy Nexus, HTC rezound, Droid razr / razr Maxx,LG spectrum and more.

yeah those speeds arent bad, way better than what I get. But I think AT&T is pulling more speed right?

Hey I have an evo on Sprint, so I know how those slow speeds feel.
That being said. On my Verizon iPhone, I see anywhere from 1.5mbps to 2 plus 3g, and I see folks getting 8+ lte also. This is in the Denver metro area.
If you are switching I suggest soon. Verizon is running a double your data promotion right now when you get a 4g device. my Co workers enjoy their rezounds. Galaxy nexus is good, but I have heard of network problems with them.
Boo

Verizon has some of the best 3G coverage, thats the biggest reason I stay with them. Using the Speedtest app I get around 1.5-1.8 Mb/s down and about 0.5-0.5 Mb/s up on 3G with a good signal. I'm not sure about 4G because I don't have a 4G device and even if I did coverage will not be in my area for some time.'
The best Verizon android device out there now as far as being dev friendly and running ICS is the Galaxy Nexus. The biggest con of the nexus is its size.

Thanks. Im liking the nexus, but havent seen it in person. Im going to check it out tomorrow possibly. Now whne you say size, guess you mean the screen? I dont think that would bother me much.

Verizon is packed with good 4G LTE phones.
My average 4G speed is 8-15down and 8-15up but I've had more than a handful of times where I've hit close to 40down and 20up.

My main concern is the 3g as 4g is a milker...

Never mind

Thanks man... I afraid of the overloaded service with AT&T though... I heard their towers are overlaoded and they dont have the best connectivity.. CAn you roam on AT&T? I dont always need data, but Id like to NEVER be without phone service.

Never had data dropping issues, but the signal meter on many cell phones are very inaccurate.
On my Droid 3 the factory signal meter likes to read 5 bars down to about about -95 dBm. For some reason phone manufacturers nowadays like to make it look like you have 5 bars all the time. Luckily Android lets allows you to get the real dBm value from the radio so I know its not a hardware issue as the dBm value is much more reliable then the signal bars.

A lot of service issues depend on where you're located. I have a galaxy nexus in the Las Vegas area and have no complaints at all. This area is well provisioned for 4g though. The nexus is a great phone IMO, although mine didn't stay stock for very long so I can't really speak to how the stock phone is
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Never mind

All in all, you pay the most, but in the long run, probably worth it.

Around my area Verizon seems to be better then at&t. Less dropped calls and faster data.
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Verizon 4g/Deadspots
I am about a mile from a 4g tower and get about 1 bar(max 2 bars) with a consistent 105 dbm. There seems to be alot of deadspots in the Abingdon,MD area. 3g coverage is pretty good, but like I said, there are alot of deadspots with no coverage. I can't figure out how I can be that close to a 4g tower and still get bad coverage....maybe it's the phone....

how does one know which tower is 4g and which tower isn't?

kafitze said:
I am about a mile from a 4g tower and get about 1 bar(max 2 bars) with a consistent 105 dbm. There seems to be alot of deadspots in the Abingdon,MD area. 3g coverage is pretty good, but like I said, there are alot of deadspots with no coverage. I can't figure out how I can be that close to a 4g tower and still get bad coverage....maybe it's the phone....
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Thanks man. Im not too far from abington.

Lets bump this for the late night crew

I average at least 15-20mbs down and have gotten as high as 35-40mbs down on LTE.
I always have great connections, never drop calls.
My father has AT&T, hates it, Mother has Sprint, hates it. In my area Verizon is king. I rarely use 3G so I can't really comment on 3G speeds. Just looks at the current coverage maps and LTE markets for the major carriers and it's obvious Verizon is light years ahead of the rest.