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Hi everybody,
I am thinking about getting a Sensation, but I have a little doubt.
As far as I know, the Sensations for sale now are S-ON.
Now, I am hearing that HTC wants to start selling unlocked bootloaders soon. Does that mean S-OFF?
But my main question is: should I keep myself from buying a Sensation now, if I want the ability to root later?
Does this question even make sense?
I am also curious if S-ON or S-OFF matters, I just picked this phone up from t-mobile yesterday, should I have staved off my purchase? Basically, what does this relate to rooting and custom ROM's?
just get the phone as its great, they will unlock bootloader in few weeks and if not someone else from XDA will do that.
With or without s-off still the phone is good.
Sent from my HTC Sensation using XDA
Hiya all,
I'm waiting till salary time and then I'll most probably get it. It's the main reason I registered here, to track the status of the problems and solutions... Must have it! Time to switch from the stupid Tattoo, but at least I got it for free (say, is a Tattoo to be considered as a contest prize or as a curse?)
Anyway, I definitely prefer it to be s-off because I won't be able to afford a new one for quite some time, so I want to take the best out of it.
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Not sure if the Sensation ever will be default s-off, this phone is already launched and far as i remember htc said they will unlock (or make it easy) on future models.
If u want the Sensation just get it It will be unlocked either by the devs or htc soon anyway. And it's still a great device so using it stock works for a while
I'm a little unclear on if S-off has anything to do with root. I've rooted several phones and am comfortable with that if it is one step. I get what I need which is access to titanium backup and control of the bloatware. I don't delete anything, I freeze it.
I just searched and read where the S-off is for security and it allows for flashing unsigned roms....I sorta get it a little LOl. I'm learning .....
But does S off have anything to do with getting root? Can you have one without the other? Unlocking the bootloader has something to do with checksums matching right? If the checksum matches, you're in? Are unlocked bootloader and S off related?
Flashing is a bit much for this neophyte....I know my limits. If I were to have a problem I wouldn't know what to do.
S off unlocks fastboot in a way that allows flashing unsigned radio roms and wiping system and such. Read up on that.
I believe but cannot be sure that s on prevents flashing unsigned recovery, but an unreleased but leaked signed recovery can fix. (say an engineering one).
That enables Custom recovery which is the holy grail
In summary I don't believe s on and s off have much to do with the locking being done by htc. My wife's htc hd is s-on.
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ickster said:
I'm a little unclear on if S-off has anything to do with root. I've rooted several phones and am comfortable with that if it is one step. I get what I need which is access to titanium backup and control of the bloatware. I don't delete anything, I freeze it.
I just searched and read where the S-off is for security and it allows for flashing unsigned roms....I sorta get it a little LOl. I'm learning .....
But does S off have anything to do with getting root? Can you have one without the other? Unlocking the bootloader has something to do with checksums matching right? If the checksum matches, you're in? Are unlocked bootloader and S off related?
Flashing is a bit much for this neophyte....I know my limits. If I were to have a problem I wouldn't know what to do.
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You can only get temp root with S-ON as every reboot the system will lose root
So what are the advantages of temp root? Can you permanently delete bloatware? Not that I would , just curious. Could you run Tit. backup and freeze stuff? Thanks, I am learning.
I'm quite positive HTC will never start shipping all retail units s-off, so all of this wondering about dates on the box and where to buy, etc is all just a waste of time. If they choose to give us a way to unlock the bootloader, it will be similar to the Nexus One and Xoom.
Now you may wonder, but how come some people have purchased s-off phones? Well they likely were originally a test or review unit of some kind that got resold or repackaged. There is simply no reason to expect HTC would intentionally ship phones with s-off.
Either they'll give us a method to unlock or we'll find it on our own. Don't bother hunting for dates and stores to find an s-off device.
karnovaran said:
I'm quite positive HTC will never start shipping all retail units s-off, so all of this wondering about dates on the box and where to buy, etc is all just a waste of time. If they choose to give us a way to unlock the bootloader, it will be similar to the Nexus One and Xoom.
Now you may wonder, but how come some people have purchased s-off phones? Well they likely were originally a test or review unit of some kind that got resold or repackaged. There is simply no reason to expect HTC would intentionally ship phones with s-off.
Either they'll give us a method to unlock or we'll find it on our own. Don't bother hunting for dates and stores to find an s-off device.
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Thanks, I was curious about the S off phones I'd heard of. My questions are just general. I'm curious as well as the op. I keep hearing the 3 terms....unlocked bootloader, s-off, and root but am confused how they all relate. Like the op said should I care? I don't know LOL...
ickster said:
Thanks, I was curious about the S off phones I'd heard of. My questions are just general. I'm curious as well as the op. I keep hearing the 3 terms....unlocked bootloader, s-off, and root but am confused how they all relate. Like the op said should I care? I don't know LOL...
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Basically..
Root (all phones) will let us use root apps like wireless tether and titanium backup.
S-off (the latest HTC phones) will give us unrestricted access to flashing full ROMs.
In general, they go hand in hand. There is such a thing as temporary root access (last until you reboot), which can happen with s-on. But full root access will require s-off. When people talk about wanting an unlocked bootloader, they want s-off.
Notice I said the latest HTC phones, that's because s-off is an HTC specific situation. It doesn't apply to Motos or any others.
ickster said:
So what are the advantages of temp root? Can you permanently delete bloatware? Not that I would , just curious. Could you run Tit. backup and freeze stuff? Thanks, I am learning.
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You cant permanently delete bloatware. You can freeze stuff and run titanium.
The thing is that for now there is no vunerability to take advantage of and make root in the official rom.
Custom Roms come pre rooted...
ickster said:
Thanks, I was curious about the S off phones I'd heard of. My questions are just general. I'm curious as well as the op. I keep hearing the 3 terms....unlocked bootloader, s-off, and root but am confused how they all relate. Like the op said should I care? I don't know LOL...
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Actually you are right, I might start to get some more information about the 3 terms. However, as far as I understood, S-ON and S-OFF don't really relate to root.
I will buy the phone and that's it
In general, they go hand in hand.
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aaand this shows that I didn't understand...
It's a great phone with or without the s-off imo.
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using XDA App
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aaand this shows that I didn't understand...
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Yes, s-on/s-off and root are two different things. One refers to write-protection and the other to privileges.
The reason I say they go hand-in-hand is that permanent root can not happen on this phone without s-off.
If XDA cracks this thing, here's is the likely order of events:
- achieve temporary root for s-on devices
- achieve a method of toggling s-on devices to s-off
- achieve permanent root
- begin custom ROM craziness
- much rejoicing
karnovaran said:
Yes, s-on/s-off and root are two different things. One refers to write-protection and the other to privileges.
The reason I say they go hand-in-hand is that permanent root can not happen on this phone without s-off.
If XDA cracks this thing, here's is the likely order of events:
- achieve temporary root for s-on devices
- achieve a method of toggling s-on devices to s-off
- achieve permanent root
- begin custom ROM craziness
- much rejoicing
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True
Nice post
So, my understanding is that S-On is not that deleterious for the rooting process.
I thought of it as a horrible techno-disease for a phone
miguelroboso said:
So, my understanding is that S-On is not that deleterious for the rooting process.
I thought of it as a horrible techno-disease for a phone
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Nah. It hasn't been a permanent medical condition for past HTCs. The problem we have with the Sensation is that prior exploits have been fixed, so a new way in has to be found. (you could replace "Sensation" with "G2" and find that sentence posted here about 8 months ago)
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Nah. It hasn't been a permanent medical condition for past HTCs. The problem we have with the Sensation is that prior exploits have been fixed, so a new way in has to be found. (you could replace "Sensation" with "G2" and find that sentence posted here about 8 months ago)
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Thanks; just out of curiosity, given HTC's current policy of openness, is there the technical possibility that they would help in the process?
Question to the experienced Dev's on this One-S forum - what do you think are the chances of achieving S-OFF for the One-S in addition to the Unlocked bootloader ?
I remember S-OFF took a little while for the HTC Desire platform and was wondering if you felt it was just a matter of time before someone figured a way for the One-S or have HTC locked us out permanently ?
I enjoy the freedom of loading Custom ROMs with the unlocked bootloader, but to be stuck on the original shipped baseband/radio feels like we are handcuffed using devices that we own!
Thoughts appreciated...
Not a dev, but, sure we will. Got it on the N1 months ago--
This thread may help you get the newer radio--haven't read all of it though--
S-OFF will come !!! I know it will..
There are several people on these forums with a S-OFF One S already !! but they came shipped like that, either by fault or a developer phone...
All we need is some dumps from them and a lot of time and patience and we will be there.... I make it sound easy lol..........its not !
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Question to the experienced Dev's on this One-S forum - what do you think are the chances of achieving S-OFF for the One-S in addition to the Unlocked bootloader ?
I remember S-OFF took a little while for the HTC Desire platform and was wondering if you felt it was just a matter of time before someone figured a way for the One-S or have HTC locked us out permanently ?
I enjoy the freedom of loading Custom ROMs with the unlocked bootloader, but to be stuck on the original shipped baseband/radio feels like we are handcuffed using devices that we own!
Thoughts appreciated...
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Seems like a PIA to me, but according to this thread (and following the very long, very detailed How-To) you can flash a radio.
As for S-Off, who knows. I haven't seen or read anywhere that anyone is working on that.
setzer715 said:
Seems like a PIA to me, but according to this thread (and following the very long, very detailed How-To) you can flash a radio.
As for S-Off, who knows. I haven't seen or read anywhere that anyone is working on that.
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That thread does not detail how to flash a radio. It simply is a tutorial for reverting to 1.53 Stock so the OTA can update the radio. If we could flash radios, we could probably flash one with the security bit flipped and have a true S-OFF. Alas, we're far from it...
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That thread does not detail how to flash a radio. It simply is a tutorial for reverting to 1.53 Stock so the OTA can update the radio. If we could flash radios, we could probably flash one with the security bit flipped and have a true S-OFF. Alas, we're far from it...
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Yeah, didn't read all the steps. Another PIA way is flash the RUU with that Radio, then root and flash the ROM you want. Sorry, without S-Off guess we're SOL.
So Guys black friday is around the corner and I plan to upgrade from my dated HTC Aria. I'm obviously looking at the HOX and the S3 and just by personal preference am leaning towards the HOX (ATT version). However what is really worrying me is that the HOX seems to be locked down quite a bit. I'm not a dev or anything I just want to be able to flash custom rom and experience senseless android in jellybean. So I have some questions...
1) If I buy a HOX with the 2.02 version what are my options rooting wise or am I just screwed?
2) I'm coming from a rooted Aria where rom flashing was easy with clockworkmod recovery. I been lurking this forum and it seems like a painful process now and what is this boot.img thing.
3) Also if anyone isn't to annoyed by my lack of knowledge could you explain what the "S-ON/S-OFF" is as well as the limitation with the fact that HTC locked the boot loader?
I like the HOX but am getting scared away by the fact that this phone is so locked up.
sunny342 said:
So Guys black friday is around the corner and I plan to upgrade from my dated HTC Aria. I'm obviously looking at the HOX and the S3 and just by personal preference am leaning towards the HOX (ATT version). However what is really worrying me is that the HOX seems to be locked down quite a bit. I'm not a dev or anything I just want to be able to flash custom rom and experience senseless android in jellybean. So I have some questions...
1) If I buy a HOX with the 2.02 version what are my options rooting wise or am I just screwed?
2) I'm coming from a rooted Aria where rom flashing was easy with clockworkmod recovery. I been lurking this forum and it seems like a painful process now and what is this boot.img thing.
3) Also if anyone isn't to annoyed by my lack of knowledge could you explain what the "S-ON/S-OFF" is as well as the limitation with the fact that HTC locked the boot loader?
I like the HOX but am getting scared away by the fact that this phone is so locked up.
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First off, when you get it rooted... DONT FLASH ICJ.
Second, when you get it downgrade you hboot via the JET tool or manually through the WIP Unbrick evita thread by Absolutelygrim. Then in the JET tool thread, you'll find a way to RUU down grade. Choose 1.85 Then you won't have to worry about flashing the boot.img in fastboot. All that is, is a way to bypass AT&T's safe gaurd programming. They tried to make it so the boot.img couldn't be formed in recovery. That's only with the 2.20 firmware though.
Third, IDK. I'm still learning why S-OFF is like gold. Someone else might be able to answer that one but, not me.
1) 2.20 firmware is fully rootable, and has been for a few weeks now. Worries about there not being a root method for 2.20 are outdated, and no longer apply.
2) First off, CWM is not recommended for this device. It never officially supported the Snapdragon S4 variant, and was just a port, with serious known issues. A different custom recovery, TWRP is recommended, and works great.
With the 1.14 hboot that comes with the 2.20 firmware, the hole by which boot.img was flashed via recovery was plugged. So whenever you flash a new ROM, you need to extract boot.img from the ROM zip, and flash it separately via fastboot (phone connected to your PC). Or as previously mentioned, you can downgrade the hboot to eliminate this step.
Aside from that, flashing ROMs on TWRP is just as easy as CWM on your Aria (once you have bootloader unlocked and TWRP installed).
3) S-Off means all security off. It hasn't yet been achieved yet on this device. But with an unlocked bootloader, you can flash ROMs and other mods. With a downgraded hboot, you can flash radios. So there isn't much that S-Off would give you, that isn't already possible. Being able to get SIM unlock for free might be possible with S-Off, as well as turning off the warning flag that the bootloader was unlocked. But for the most part, that is really it. For most uses, S-Off simply is not needed. S-On and bootloader unlock fulfills most needs.
All that said, are you aware the One X+ is being released by AT&T tomorrow? It features a slightly faster CPU/GPU and much more internal storage. Unless you are on a budget, that is probably the phone I would go for at this point. But I think it also remains to be seen about root and bootloader unlock for the One X+.
Another aria convert, yay. As stated above, you shouldn't have any concerns about this device. TWRP is actually much easier to use than CWM. The flashing boot.IMG separately is something you won't need to do once you downgrade the firmware.
And as said above, I'd just get a one x+ if I had the money. We only get 9.93GB of SD storage space on this phone.
Sent from my HTC One XL
Hello guys, i am also thinking about getting this phone, but i've been searching this forum and it seems that flashing ROMs is a bit complicated, and i'm not sure..
What are the pros and cons of unlocking the bootloader? could i brick the phone by doing that?
Is there a guide for noobies like me, a tutorial or something? sorry.. i'm new to this.. :fingers-crossed:
p3terr said:
Hello guys, i am also thinking about getting this phone, but i've been searching this forum and it seems that flashing ROMs is a bit complicated, and i'm not sure..
What are the pros and cons of unlocking the bootloader? could i brick the phone by doing that?
Is there a guide for noobies like me, a tutorial or something? sorry.. i'm new to this.. :fingers-crossed:
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Would you be getting the AT&T version, or another variant?
Setting the phone up for flashing ROMs is a bit more complicated than some other manufacturers. But this is just how it is for HTC, they have an increasing degree of security on their phones.
You have to unlock the bootloader, which really isn't all that hard. Then install custom recovery and you can flash ROMs. The AT&T version has the extra steps of temp root, SuperCID before you can unlock the bootloader.
Once the phone is setup, flashing ROMs is just like any other phone. With the exception of having to extract boot.img from the ROM zip and flashing via fastboot. But I believe this only applies to the AT&T version with the 1.14 hboot. Even so, you can downgrade the hboot, so you don't have to do the extra step of manually flashing boot.img.
Bricking the phone while unlocking the bootloader is unlikely. But its always a possibility with any mods. Unlocking the bootloader wipes the phone (not really an issue if you are doing it right away after buying) and you also have to confirm that you understand that unlocking the bootloader may void your warranty. Other than that, there is no real "con" to it.
I just finished unlocking bootloader, rooting, installing venom Rom and putting beastmode custom kernel on my [email protected] hox. It's easy now even with 2.2. Just download the all in one tool kit found in the stickied thread for the hox. Does almost all work for you.
Flashing Rom there after word was very similar to cwm was. Loaded it on my internal storage and flashed via recovery
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redpoint73 said:
1) 2.20 firmware is fully rootable, and has been for a few weeks now. Worries about there not being a root method for 2.20 are outdated, and no longer apply.
2) First off, CWM is not recommended for this device. It never officially supported the Snapdragon S4 variant, and was just a port, with serious known issues. A different custom recovery, TWRP is recommended, and works great.
With the 1.14 hboot that comes with the 2.20 firmware, the hole by which boot.img was flashed via recovery was plugged. So whenever you flash a new ROM, you need to extract boot.img from the ROM zip, and flash it separately via fastboot (phone connected to your PC). Or as previously mentioned, you can downgrade the hboot to eliminate this step.
Aside from that, flashing ROMs on TWRP is just as easy as CWM on your Aria (once you have bootloader unlocked and TWRP installed).
3) S-Off means all security off. It hasn't yet been achieved yet on this device. But with an unlocked bootloader, you can flash ROMs and other mods. With a downgraded hboot, you can flash radios. So there isn't much that S-Off would give you, that isn't already possible. Being able to get SIM unlock for free might be possible with S-Off, as well as turning off the warning flag that the bootloader was unlocked. But for the most part, that is really it. For most uses, S-Off simply is not needed. S-On and bootloader unlock fulfills most needs.
All that said, are you aware the One X+ is being released by AT&T tomorrow? It features a slightly faster CPU/GPU and much more internal storage. Unless you are on a budget, that is probably the phone I would go for at this point. But I think it also remains to be seen about root and bootloader unlock for the One X+.
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I am aware of the One X+ but I am on a budget and the slight performance boost to me doesn't justify the price. Radio shack will have the HOX for free on blackfriday. Also thanks for the answers to the questions your comment cleared up alot for me.
ECEXCURSION said:
Another aria convert, yay. As stated above, you shouldn't have any concerns about this device. TWRP is actually much easier to use than CWM. The flashing boot.IMG separately is something you won't need to do once you downgrade the firmware.
And as said above, I'd just get a one x+ if I had the money. We only get 9.93GB of SD storage space on this phone.
Sent from my HTC One XL
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ARIA FTW lol. I need the upgrade to the HOX. Only 9.9GB sucks pretty bad but I can make it work. If only I too had the money for the one X+
You don't need to wait for black friday to get the HOX for free. It's currently free on ATT on Amazon Wireless, and has been for a couple weeks.
If you follow instructions properly and read up on everything necessary, unlocking, rooting, and flashing the HOX is a breeze; 2.20 only introduces one additional, straightforward step.
exygenysys said:
You don't need to wait for black friday to get the HOX for free. It's currently free on ATT on Amazon Wireless, and has been for a couple weeks.
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Im eligible for a qualified upgrade on my family plan so I can't take advantage of the new contract deal.
First android phone it's a AT&T One X, i'll be using it on the Bell network. Got a good deal on Kijiji and I didn't ask enough questions apparently, lol.
The phone is clearly not stock, took me several hours to piece that together. I get it, I'm a noob. I can tell it's running Cleanrom 4.5. I want to get it back to something close to stock. I plan to learn all about rooting/roms but I want to do it from a vanilla phone so that I get to actually do it myself.
I googled and found a tutorial (link). I deleted the 'su' file and superuser.apk. I followed the rest of the steps and it didn't seem to do anything, just rebooted back into cleanrom.
I kept googling and now I'm following this guide: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1859714
I guess i'm going to flash from an RUU now ? My CID is 11111111, so I've read that means I have superCID and any RUU will work. I want to get to JB eventually, so can I just flash direct to the Europe 3.14 JB from HTCRUU? Or go with one of the ICS versions?
Am I doing this right?
No no no!
Edit: still writing but wanted to say don't flash that ruu
If you want completely stock you need to use fast boot and boot into hboot and run fastboot OEM lock
(You may need to search around to learn how do that)
Then run this ruu. http://beta.androidfilehost.com/?fid=9390077933525139511
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that is for the wrong phone
only place you should look at is here AT&T, Rogers HTC One X, Telstra One XL
Its good your asking the questions now if you want to go completely stock run an ruu which means relicking the bootloader and running it ill link you to some guides in a sec
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Oh and like others said don't use that ruu! We have the one XL
cleanrom 4.5 is pretty good and close to stock but adds quick settings, debloated, power menu and some other tweaks. i would keep it how it is and just learn about how custom roms work. you can learn how to use twrp in its current state and maybe learn how to use some root apps.
just so you know your phone is the evita not the endeavoru.
Thanks for the replies.
I haven't tried flashing anything yet so don't worry. I'm taking it slow.
I've already been into fastboot. Figured that out because it was a required step in the guides I said I was trying to use. I have all the drivers installed and I'm able to talk to the phone via fastboot at the comand prompt.
LOL, thanks for letting me know my phone is Evita. I guess I can delete the 600mb RUU I downloaded
I'm a little unclear about HBOOT vs. fastboot. I can get into the bootloader and go to the fastboot USB mode... is this analogous to HBOOT?
So my steps right now are:
1) Download correct RUU, Evita 2.20 ICS - I've also seen people discussing 1.85 vs 2.20, why chose one over another?
2) fastboot oem lock
3) Install RUU while phone is in bootloader mode
That right?
I would strongly suggest to slow down, and learn more about what root is and means, before going back stock. Root is just a change in permissions. You gain absolutely nothing by unrooting, and lose quite a bit. You lose the ability to do all sorts of mods to your phone, flash custom ROMs, use apps that require root like Adaway and Titanium Backup (and many others), remove carrier bloatware, activate tethering, and much more.
People have gone through great pains to find root methods for our device (and other Android devices). Many come on here looking for these root methods, for the awesome benefits that root means. I've seen very few, if any, people before you that have said "crap I accidentally got a rooted device, and don't want root". Think about that one for a while.
Plus, CleanROM 4.5 is already based on a more updated firmware version than any of the official AT&T RUUs. Plus it includes a lot of cool features and optimizations. Again, going from CleanROM to stock is a step backwards, not forwards, and you are gaining nothing, and losing quite a bit. Another thing about CleanROM, is that it is devoid of the AT&T bloatware (and there is a lot). Keep in mind that on the stock AT&T ROM, the bloat is not removable without root, so you are stuck with quite a few crappy apps that you will never use. That alone is a huge reason to have a rooted device. Also bear in mind that stock AT&T does not allow tethering (unless you have a data plan that allows it) and has other stock HTC apps (like FM radio) disabled. These cannot be enabled unless you have root.
Another thing, is that you will not get Jellybean any faster on stock than rooted. While its true that rooted, this phone will not be able to take the OTA when it rolls out (hasn't happened yet). But a stock rooted JB firmware will almost certainly be posted here on XDA, that is safely flashable on a rooted device. This often happens within a couple days of the OTA starting to roll out, if not faster. Sometimes even before the OTA, as sometimes the official RUUs get leaked before the OTA. All it takes is for a dev to get his hands on the files, apply root, and upload it here. Learning how to flash such a file to your device is very simple. Not much more than: download the file to your phone, boot into recovery, and press "install". So yet again, stock gains nothing over being rooted.
While its true that root is not for everyone. But if you've already found this place, and learned what things like RUU, bootloader, and fastboot are, then you probably already know more than most folks do about Android. You may feel in over your head, but it really just takes a few hours of reading to learn the fundamentals. And with that knowledge, you can do so much more with your phone than you can without root.
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I would strongly suggest to slow down, and learn more about what root is and means, before going back stock. Root is just a change in permissions. You gain absolutely nothing by unrooting, and lose quite a bit....
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I appreciate the advice, thanks. To be clear, eventually I will probably bring the device back to where it is now. I've used linux before so I have an understanding of the permissions system and the added benefits of root.
My goal here is to get the phone back to stock so that I can learn the rooting/flashing process from the start, not the end. I understand why that might seem counterintuitive but I'm a very hands on person and I'll learn more of the theory by walking through the process than reading about how somebody else hacked this device to get where it is now.
Sure I'm making extra work for myself but I know what im getting into.
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echoboomer said:
I appreciate the advice, thanks. To be clear, eventually I will probably bring the device back to where it is now. I've used linux before so I have an understanding of the permissions system and the added benefits of root.
My goal here is to get the phone back to stock so that I can learn the rooting/flashing process from the start, not the end. I understand why that might seem counterintuitive but I'm a very hands on person and I'll learn more of the theory by walking through the process than reading about how somebody else hacked this device to get where it is now.
Sure I'm making extra work for myself but I know what im getting into.
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You should have said so from the start, then. This pretty much negates everything I just typed above.
Its admirable that you want to learn the process from scratch, and its the opposite attitude of most n00bs here.
My advice, as another mentioned above, is stick to XDA, and don't follow instructions from random Googled sites. Most of those sites don't clearly delineate between our phone (Snapdragon S4) and the international (Tegra3) version, and following instructions for the international version is a great way to brick your phone.
Other than that, lock the bootloader, run the RUU, and have fun. Also check your hboot version. If its anything but 1.14, don't run the 2.20 RUU. You will want the 1.73 or 1.85 RUU instead, as the 2.20 RUU will update the hboot to 1.14, which plugs the holes by which boot.img and radios can be flashed from recovery. Unless you want to create ever MORE work for yourself, as the hboot can be downgraded using a Linux computer, lol!
Be sure to check out my index thread, as most anything you will need is here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1671237
Thanks, sounds like I'm on the right track.
Also check back to my OP, I did say that I wanted to learn the whole process but I wanted to do it from stock. sorry you typed all that out but in sure it will help some other noob down the line.
Last thing, 1.85 vs 2.20?
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ChummyDays said:
2.20 has the new hboot, and that means that you have to extract the boot.IMG out of the ROM and flash it through fast boot. With 1.85 you just flash the ROM.
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Cool thanks, I found a tutorial last night on how to extract boot.IMG from the ruu exe. I think I'm good to go.
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You might be confused. You shouldn't have to pull a boot.img from an RUU typically, only from a custom ROM zip. And only if you are on boot 1.14.
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Probably confused. Here's what I see in the boot loader.
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Tampered
Unlocked
Evita PVT Ship S-ON RL
HBOOT-1.09.0000
Radio-0.19as.32.09.09_L
OpenDSP-v28.1.0.32.0504
eMMC-boot
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echoboomer said:
HBOOT-1.09.0000
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This is what you want to see, and why you need to be sure to use the 1.85 RUU.
After reading countless threads about RUUing or OTAing to the 3.18 Jellybean software, I think I know what everything means. But just to be safe, I want to confirm some things before I try anything. I have never been on a stock firmware other than when I got my phone, and it came on the 2.20 ICS software.
1. I used the SuperCID method to unlock my bootloader. I've read that having SuperCID will screw up the update to jellybean. But, I've also read that having s-off will bypass the CID check when updating, making the update work normally.
My phone has a CID of 1111111 (SuperCID), and is also s-off. Does this mean if I flash back to a stock ICS rom and OTA up to jellybean, everything will be alright? After all of the info I've sifted through, my personal answer is 'yes, everything will work.'
2. If I do proceed with an update to JB, will I still have S-off and/or a root? I've looked at the facepalm s-off thread under the Original Development section, and see no mention of a compatibility or incompatibility with Jellybean. This is the first HTC device I've ever owned, so I'm not as familiar with s-off as some of you may be. I did find this from searching the s-off thread... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=38197741
If I recall correctly, I was running Viper XL when I s-off'd. It was a jellybean firmware at that time, probably built from the jellybean stock firmware. My personal answer to the question is 'yes, I will still be s-off, but I still don't know about a root.'
As far as a root goes, I'm at a loss of what to look for. I don't see a thread dedicated to a jellybean root, but then again, I'm not as well rounded with troubleshooting as others.
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S-off will stick until you manually undo it. Whether you ruu, flash roms, whatever. Only way to lose s-off is to do fastboot oem setsecurityflag 3. Root is software so it's set within the rom. All the custom roms have root by default. With an unlocked bootloader any rom that doesn't have root can have root by flashing su. Consider root as having administrator on windows. If you don't have windows installed there's no administrative access to have right? Hence it doesn't stick but is built into the roms you flash.
S-off eliminates security checks so you you can ruu, flash anything and there won't be any checks that say hey, this isn't the right device or hey, this bootloader is unlocked, you can't ruu..
Just make sure not to flash anything not intended for the evita.
Hopefully this makes sense.
If you have any other questions, do not hesitate to ask.
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exad said:
S-off will stick until you manually undo it. Whether you ruu, flash roms, whatever. Only way to lose s-off is to do fastboot oem setsecurityflag 3. Root is software so it's set within the rom. All the custom roms have root by default. With an unlocked bootloader any rom that doesn't have root can have root by flashing su. Consider root as having administrator on windows. If you don't have windows installed there's no administrative access to have right? Hence it doesn't stick but is built into the roms you flash.
S-off eliminates security checks so you you can ruu, flash anything and there won't be any checks that say hey, this isn't the right device or hey, this bootloader is unlocked, you can't ruu..
Just make sure not to flash anything not intended for the evita.
Hopefully this makes sense.
If you have any other questions, do not hesitate to ask.
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Thanks, this pretty much answered all of my questions so if I just wanted a rooted stock rom, I would just follow the steps in the root guide that involve pushing and installing the su binary, and ignore the extra ones that involve changing the CID?
I can't seem to find any links to stock rooted for ICS (it's a preference to me over JB, sorry ) anymore. My thoughts were to run the 2.20 RUU and root it, which seems like a valid option based on your response
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Ics is obsolete. If you really want stock rooted Ics.
You're correct.
Run an ics ruu
Flash twrp, flash su
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tyessen said:
My phone has a CID of 1111111 (SuperCID), and is also s-off. Does this mean if I flash back to a stock ICS rom and OTA up to jellybean, everything will be alright? After all of the info I've sifted through, my personal answer is 'yes, everything will work.'
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If the goal is JB, then I'd recommend the JB RUU, rather than the OTA. RUU is a much cleaner and problem-free install.
'yes, everything will work' is a bit too presumptive to me. You can never be sure that everything will be okay. Modding your phone always has its risks, even under the safest of circumstances. But S-off will prevent the particular case of a (virtually guaranteed) brick caused by installing the RUU or OTA with SuperCID + S-on.
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If the goal is JB, then I'd recommend the JB RUU, rather than the OTA. RUU is a much cleaner and problem-free install.
'yes, everything will work' is a bit too presumptive to me. You can never be sure that everything will be okay. Modding your phone always has its risks, even under the safest of circumstances. But S-off will prevent the particular case of a (virtually guaranteed) brick caused by installing the RUU or OTA with SuperCID + S-on.
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I didn't mean everything as in it will be right out of the box, no errors or problems by that, sorry. I meant that the flash/RUU would complete successfully and I would be running a stock firmware again.
And like I said, I've never ran the official JB firmware, so I'll give it a try and see how the battery holds out. I know ICS had a much better life than other JB custom roms out there, but then again, custom means extra (most of the time).
So, maybe I'll just head straight for the jellybean RUU instead. My only concern is that the h-boot would update, and that sets off a little flag in my head with s-off problems (even though it was confirmed it would stay in place until I manually went back to s-on).
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I didn't mean everything as in it will be right out of the box, no errors or problems by that, sorry. I meant that the flash/RUU would complete successfully and I would be running a stock firmware again.
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Again, I would never assume that everything will be "completely successful". Even running the RUU under safest of circumstances has its risks. People have bricked their phones running the RUU with a completely stock device. However, its very unlikely.
S-off removes the particular issue of a near automatic brick if you have SuperCID and S-on. There should be no other particular high risk factors, that are currently known and within your control (which is what I think you are trying to get at). You will most likely be okay. But its impossible to remove all risk. Anything that updates hboot and radio has the risk of bricking the device, if it everything does not go exactly right. But aside from being sure you don't mess with the phone or computer while its flashing, its just an unlikely random event, outside of your control.
tyessen said:
And like I said, I've never ran the official JB firmware, so I'll give it a try and see how the battery holds out. I know ICS had a much better life than other JB custom roms out there, but then again, custom means extra (most of the time).
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I would not jump to the conclusion that ICS has better battery life JB (custom or otherwise). I'd say that quite a few people have had better battery life on JB. There are lots of variables at play. Simply RUUing to the newer radio might improve your battery life. Or might even make it worse.
Battery life is always better experienced for yourself, rather than taking for granted what you read from others.