Hi everyone,
I just recently found out yesterday that partially charging the HOS's lithium ion's battery is considering healthier than fully charging it. I just read up some articles yesterday and got a lot of different opinions so I was wondering if I could get some advice from fellow users in this thread?
I also heard that shorter discharge cycles are also healthier so I should just plug in my phone when it's above 20%, 30%?
Should I always partially charge and never fully charge (unless I really need to)?
Do I ever fully discharge my battery for any reason? Calibration?
Detailed answers would be nice! Thanks!
The battery will last a lot longer than the time you will have the phone. I think this applies to its health over a LONG LONG lifespan and not something we should worry about.
I think its fine to charge as and when, sometimes i do full charges, sometimes i charge for about 10 mins...
As for calibration, there are mixed reviews on this.. I havent had to do it on the One S, But on the galaxy S i had to do this monthly (due to me flashing daily)
I'd say calibration works. others disagree.
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Hi guys!
I have a question. I am always on the go and am trying hard to ensure that I have enough battery to last the whole day or at least in places I don't have chargers.
So, is it okay to always charge Android phones & tablets whenever I go or is there a 'guideline' on charging only when hit 20, 30, 50% (for example) to preserve battery life?
i use my tablet alot and i charge it when it gets to 1% i can use it for almost 2 days b4 i charge it i feel like it saves your battery not to charge it so much i could be wrong
perhaps it is okay
It doesn't matter, battery wont overcharge and the battery in all new devices don't have memory issues anymore.
One tip I would suggest is not to completely drain your battery everytime before charging.
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The latest smartphones batteries don't suffer of memory issues any longer,so you're free to charge them whenever you need or you can,the only advice IMHO is:if you flash kernel,rom, or anything else on your phone be sure to calibrate your battery after,you can do it in RECOVERY or downloading application from the market ie: battery calibrator/calibration (I don't remember)
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You may reduce the battery's long-term lifespan. Batteries last longer if you can keep them between 20-80% charge. Also, they don't like being hot.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/do_and_dont_battery_table
i was wondering the same thing because I have that same issue of being weird about a full charge on my phones. have seen mixed comments on the matter.
Hello everyone
I was wondering if its ok to leave the transformer connected to the charger.
Is it like the Evo with trickle down when it reaches 100%
I dont want to over charge it. If it were my laptop i would disconnect the battery at full charge. But its not possible to do that with the transformer.
I want to keep my cycle count low and prevent over charing.
I also wonder what happens in a few years when the battery is shot...
Charging is what damages Li-Ion batteries... I'd recommend not keeping it on the charger all the time. Android will purposely not keep the battery at 100% to help avoid some damage.
Li-ion prefer to be around 20-80% charge.
When battery is 100% and you keep the charger connected, heat will begin to build up and eventually you will kill your battery.
I'd do as with a notebook: charge till 100%, then remove battery or charger (in case of the tablet charger ) . Then use your tablet and recharge when needed / desired. And from time to time a full charge / discharge cycle won't do any harm.
Just my 2 cents.
Regards.
These tablets don't automatically recognize when it's fully charged and turn off the charging?
Ravynmagi said:
These tablets don't automatically recognize when it's fully charged and turn off the charging?
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They do. There are other threads asking why thier TF's don't show 100% when unplgged from the charger. Same as it does on my Evo.
I think pretty much every modern device recognizes a full charge and responds accordingly. In fact, MacBooks will throttle performance if the battery ISN'T kept in while the system is running on A/C.
Heat will damage a battery, but it's not heat from charging but heat from operation. If a notebook is poorly designed and the battery is near a heat source, then removing the battery might be a good idea (except with the aforementioned MacBooks), but that's independent of the charging issue.
I think it's fine to keep it plugged in. These devices are smart enough to manage such things. Of course, the TF's charging cable's so short it's hard to use when plugged in, but that's a different issue entirely.
CalvinH said:
When battery is 100% and you keep the charger connected, heat will begin to build up and eventually you will kill your battery.
I'd do as with a notebook: charge till 100%, then remove battery or charger (in case of the tablet charger ) . Then use your tablet and recharge when needed / desired. And from time to time a full charge / discharge cycle won't do any harm.
Just my 2 cents.
Regards.
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From what I understand this process cannot and will not kill the battery. This did happen in the old type of batteries with the ,emory effect but these new batteries and the OS's management system for charging does not allow the battery to be killed.
it will heat up and that would happen as there is a flow of electricity but not to a level that would kill the battery.
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IS it normal to go from 4% battery to 99% in under 3 hours ?
I thought this was supposed to take 8 hours to charge.
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gpearson1968
gpearson1968 said:
IS it normal to go from 4% battery to 99% in under 3 hours ?
I thought this was supposed to take 8 hours to charge.
Cheers,
gpearson1968
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Yes that's normal. It's meant to take about 3hrs.
Thanks guys...
Still dont know about it. Because I think its like my EVO and technology got so good that my battery is protected.
I really dont want my transformer to become a expensive paper weight or non-mobile because after a few years it has 45 mins battery life.
I've got the first full charge and full depletion done. Is it ok to use while charging now as long as I fully charge and fully deplete it a couple more times?
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Thanks guys...
Still dont know about it. Because I think its like my EVO and technology got so good that my battery is protected.
I really dont want my transformer to become a expensive paper weight or non-mobile because after a few years it has 45 mins battery life.
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batteries will degrade over time....would you be keeping this tablet for over 2-3 years? a simple battery change could work if ever needed
I am no expert, but I have spent some time searching around the internet looking for information on the best methods for improving the life of a battery. Most of the information I have found said it is bad to completely discharge a Li-polymer battery. The articarles stated it was best to charge the battery when it reaches 20% to avoid shortening its life.
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Batteries are like muscles - they like to be exercised.
Leaving the unit plugged in WILL NOT HURT YOUR BATTERY. Period. The charging circuitry in modern devices is smart enough to cut current to the battery once it has reached a certain level of resistance.
Batteries do not like being deeply discharged. Most devices will shut off before the battery gets too deeply discharged, but it's never a good idea to tempt fate by running it until the device shuts off.
What really determines a battery's life is the number of cycles it has been put through. A cycle would be a full charge followed by a full (or to a lower end threshold) discharge.
The old original Lithium Ion batteries used in laptops would usually last about 300 full cycles or so - about a year if you used it on the battery every day. Partial discharges of course only count as fractions of a cycle.
Given the life of these types of devices, considering we'll likely upgrade to the next big thing in a year or so, I don't think anyone here will come close to 'wearing out' a battery.
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I've got the first full charge and full depletion done. Is it ok to use while charging now as long as I fully charge and fully deplete it a couple more times?
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As stated, these are Li-Ion batteries, and they do not need to be trained. The only reason you might need to do any training is to calibrate Android's understanding of the battery (although I doubt you need to do a full discharge for that, either).
It's not going to suddenly kill it, but it will over time hurt your battery's life.
I went ahead and did a full discharge/charge cycle, but only because Asus said to do so in the manual. Maybe the copywriter just copied/pasted from a circa 1990's manual for a device with a NiCd battery, but I figured if they're suggesting it, I might as well do it.
Hi guys
I should be picking up my SGS2 today and I was just wondering what exactly I should be doing with the battery? I've read in a bunch of places that draining the battery fully and then recharging it fully gives better battery life, but I've also read this:
Lithium ion batteries do not respond well to full discharge, you will see reduced capacity and early failure if it happens too often. In any case it is not possible to overcharge the battery on a BlackBerry because the battery and phone have enough intelligence to control the charge (unless the battery is already defective).
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(this is from crackberry.com but you get the idea)
What's the best thing to do?
And on Android phones, when the battery indicator shows 20% or something, is that when the phone is going to die? Or will it die at 0%? Obviously at 20% it would be to protect the battery but maybe Android has been programmed to show 0% when the battery is actually at 20%.
Thanks,
Elliott
read manuals !!!!!! You can see this
Did not receive an owners manual with my phone. Anyway...phone is charging now so too late I guess...
Starholdest said:
Did not receive an owners manual with my phone. Anyway...phone is charging now so too late I guess...
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The manual is probably stored on the phone, at least my new Ascend II came with its stored on the phone, you have to goto the big menu (forgive me for not knowing the technical term for it) to find it however
i got my battery fully charged...then in the first day i discharged it till 10% at least that's what my phone was saying
i read too that the new li-ion batteryes do not need to be "formated" (fully discharged till the phone dies and then fully charged with the phone turned off) in android case i think that thing is not posible coz it needs at least 5% to pass the bootloader and then begin to charge
anyway in my manual it says that the battery will begin the normal state after 8 days of use, until then it may disschage quick
i have a motorola defy
Calibrate the battery. Charge the phone while its switched off for about 6 hours, and then use the phone untill the entire battery runs out and it switches off on its own. After this, the phone should be able to use the battery properly.
i just used my galaxy and made it empty, then charged it full.
nowadays i have runtimes from 3days (72 hours) and then its @ about 5%
there seems to be a lot of back-and-forth regarding whether or not draining a battery is healthy; i drain my iphone battery down to zero about once a month and the battery has been doing fine for two years . . . whether it would be doing just as well without the draining time is anyone's guess.
I have always been under the impression that lit-ion batteries do not need any kind of special care or break in. But since our phones estimate the charge, we should occasionally let the battery run out to reset the calibration in case it gets screwed up.
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I don't think you need to worry about draining the battery till it's dead. My phone dies often and the battery is still kickin It's my understanding, that the purpose of draining the phone before you charge it is to calibrate what the OS says for charge remaining to the battery's actual charge.
Or something like that...
Hi all,
I have my sgs 2 since June and it's working pretty well apart from the battery drain which is very harmful in my daily life
I've recently flashed the Cognition 1.30 (last friday). Before that, my sgs was able to last the entire day before discharging with a moderate use (10-20 mn on games, few sms, 15 mn consulting mails, 1 hr on internet). Since i've flashed with the cognition Rom, the battery drain is really awesome!!!!!!
I fully charge the phone (switched off) then when i switch it on and the phone stays idle, after 1 hr or so, i've already lost almost 20%. When i'm on internet or playing games, the battery loss is approximatively of 1% per min.
I've made a full wipe and recalibrated my battery so normally it should at least last a day and thats not the case.
Could somebody help me or should i buy a new battery and test it ?
Because i relly like this rom and from others users, it has a good feedback concerning the battery use
Hey guys,
I've read what feels like a few hundred posts on conditioning your battery for optimal charge/longevity, but few seem to add up to each other. Some have said use till at 10% then charge, some have said fully discharge then charge to full while powered OFF, and still others say differently.
I'm in the process of letting my Sensation drain fully (edit: it just died!) and figured I'd gather a quick consensus... what's YOUR preferred method of battery conditioning?
Hi guys
I know this question has been asked many times before... whether to fully charge before using the phone the first time.
I believe this is something which stems from the time before Lithium-ion batteries.
However, I wonder if there is something with the battery stats which will be affected by turning on the phone before completely charging the phone?
In CWM there is a Wipe battery stats function... I was thinking if this was deleting some sort of info about the battery which was created the first time the phone is installed....
Some battery stats/calibration or similar is the only thing I can imagine which would benefit from having a full charge before first use. Can somebody enlighten me?
My girlfriend will be buying a new phone tomorrow (HTC Sensation on sale), and I would like to know first if their are any benefits to charging before first use?
Please don't just guess or come with comments like "I just used mine right away, no problems".
Thanks in advance.
BR, Martin
Dont need any calobration soft or fully charged battery. Use it as you need.mentioned soft for calibration is needed when you flash device with new Rom to reset old settings
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Fully charging the battery, without intermittently taking it off the charger, running it down fully, then recharging it fully is the best thing to do.
It needs a full charge before the first use so that the phone will understand what a full charge is but that's about it.
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Dont need any calobration soft or fully charged battery. Use it as you need.mentioned soft for calibration is needed when you flash device with new Rom to reset old settings
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"to reset old settings". When are these settings created? I'm thinking if the original battery settings are created at first boot on a brand new phone.
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It needs a full charge before the first use so that the phone will understand what a full charge is but that's about it.
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How does the phone understand what a full charge is? Does it create some battery settings file at first boot?
If not, then I guess fully charging could be done while the phone is being used by the user?
I haven't become more certain from the above answers... I still don't know if the phone somehow does a calibration to the fully charged battery which could be a reason for charging it before first boot.
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Fully charging the battery, without intermittently taking it off the charger, running it down fully, then recharging it fully is the best thing to do.
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no offence, but this is bull****. This treatment of battery was good for old mobiles and absolutelly not neccessary for smartphones. Don't mess with him. I didn't fully charged battery in first use, now on my gt 540 with optimized 2.3.7 can get 5 day on battery !
Don't be confused by battery settings, they are stored in system, you mustn't bother with that.
Fully charged means 100% shown on status bar, nothing more nothing less. System know how to treat battery, no need for calibration(it's needed only when changing ROM -> new system -> new treat -> need to reset old settings)
Your only task with battery is, once a month drain her to 0% and charged to 100% without abortion (but also not neccessary), and charging mainly when 30-40% of battery. It's not recommended to go under there values for good life of battery
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mArtinko5MB said:
no offence, but this is bull****. This treatment of battery was good for old mobiles and absolutelly not neccessary for smartphones. Don't mess with him. I didn't fully charged battery in first use, now on my gt 540 with optimized 2.3.7 can get 5 day on battery !
Don't be confused by battery settings, they are stored in system, you mustn't bother with that.
Fully charged means 100% shown on status bar, nothing more nothing less. System know how to treat battery, no need for calibration(it's needed only when changing ROM -> new system -> new treat -> need to reset old settings)
Your only task with battery is, once a month drain her to 0% and charged to 100% without abortion (but also not neccessary), and charging mainly when 30-40% of battery. It's not recommended to go under there values for good life of battery
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I agree.
Fully charging and discharging was a practice to deal with the memory effect of older NIMH or NICD batteries.
Putting unnecessary charge cycles on todays cell batteries, just lessens their lifetime. They all offer an amount of charge cycles and each cycle reduces their capacity. The detailed amount of chargecycles that is sometimes in some infos, is usually something like after X amount of charge cycles the battery reaches 80% of its original capacity.
I'm not sure but i would guess that the phones determine the charge status through hardcoded characteristics of the used battery type, i.e. voltage dropoff etc. Fully charged at 4.22V, etc etc.
The batteries in our phones don't come fully charged is probably because storing these types of batteries at full charge for too long actually hurts them.
Storing them at something like ~3.8V is recommended for longer periods.
I'm no expert on this topic, so tell me if you find something wrong in my statement , i'm eager to learn.
Already proven
I wish I could find the article, but there was an experiment run on lithium ion batteries, particularly based on proliferation of mobile and these exact questions, where they ran down/recharged in different scenarios (different discharge percentages) until the battery went bad. They determined that the more you charge (the less you let it drain before re-charging), the more cycles your battery lasts. So it's as some have said, exact opposite of an old NiXX tech. This was done to < 10% increments, so they showed even a decrease in cycles between recharging at 95% and 90%
Moral of the story, don't let you're battery drain completely or even get too low, and charge as often as you can. This is why I use a dock on my desk at work.