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[Q] HD playback with no lag...?

Im trying to watch either .mp4 or .mkv but both lag in stock player and moboplayer. Anybody get this to work with zero lag?
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I get no lag using Vital Player.

Popsiclestand said:
I get no lag using Vital Player.
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Just tried that and it lagged a lot...
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What are the specs on the videos that you are trying to play?
Here is a vid of me using Vital Player on the transformer with a H.264 encoded MP4 and an MKV movie. No lag, no sync issues.
http://vimeo.com/23927515

If the movies you're trying to watch are encoded with High profile then playback will be laggy no matter what on the TF.

Popsiclestand said:
What are the specs on the videos that you are trying to play?
Here is a vid of me using Vital Player on the transformer with a H.264 encoded MP4 and an MKV movie. No lag, no sync issues.
http://vimeo.com/23927515
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Nice!
Okay I'm a new when it comes ti all these video formats.. all I know is that I get choppy playback
So this handles 1080 but with some tweaks I'm assuming..again, I'm a new at this
Were those movies you converted? Is so you mind writing up a little tutorial
Thanks

For the MKV, I downloaded it was already encoded so I am not sure of its specs, but the playback quality and resolution are excellent even on my desktop's 24" HD monitors.
For the MP4 played at the beginning of the video, that was shot in 1920x1080, brought into Premiere CS5 for editing and exported through Adobe Media Encoder using H.264 at 1280x720.
There are some threads with Handbrake encoding specs on the forums as well.
When using Vital player make sure the Decode Mode settings are set to automatic. It will automatically recognize there is no hardware acceleration (as I understand is normal with the Tegra-2). It will then compensate with "software acceleration". Also in the Video Mode settings I have it set to speed over quality as the performance is better without sacrificing much of the quality to my eye.
With these settings, Vital Player should play just about any video you might download off of a torrent site. I have yet to find a video that does not play well through it. I'm not sure if other users who say it does not work for them have checked the Vital Player settings, if my videos are just not up to the elusive "high profile" they are talking about, or if I just have a rare Transformer that just works, but as you can see in the video it does work for me.

Popsiclestand said:
For the MKV, I downloaded it was already encoded so I am not sure of its specs, but the playback quality and resolution are excellent even on my desktop's 24" HD monitors.
For the MP4 played at the beginning of the video, that was shot in 1920x1080, brought into Premiere CS5 for editing and exported through Adobe Media Encoder using H.264 at 1280x720.
There are some threads with Handbrake encoding specs on the forums as well.
When using Vital player make sure the Decode Mode settings are set to automatic. It will automatically recognize there is no hardware acceleration (as I understand is normal with the Tegra-2). It will then compensate with "software acceleration". Also in the Video Mode settings I have it set to speed over quality as the performance is better without sacrificing much of the quality to my eye.
With these settings, Vital Player should play just about any video you might download off of a torrent site. I have yet to find a video that does not play well through it. I'm not sure if other users who say it does not work for them have checked the Vital Player settings, if my videos are just not up to the elusive "high profile" they are talking about, or if I just have a rare Transformer that just works, but as you can see in the video it does work for me.
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So you had to encode the mkv or mp4 before playback? So it cant just play them straight up?
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I believe that nearly any video you get is going to need be encoded in some form at some time.
The MKV was more than likely encoded by someone else before I downloaded, but no further encoding was necessary on my end. The MP4 was shot on my own camera (Canon 7D recording at 1920x1080p) and needed to be edited. When you export directly from the timeline in Premiere, it must be encoded to even be usable. For sites like YouTube or Vimeo to even accept them there must be encoding. The H.264 encoding that I used is the highest setting for that type of video's purpose (HD web playback). It is different than what I would have exported for burning to Blu-Ray but is adequate for a screen the size and resolution of the Transformer's.
When I return home, I will try bringing in the raw, unedited video from the 7D (which is around 3GB for a 4 minute vid at that resolution btw) and see if Vital Player plays it back with no lag. I seriously doubt it as some average computers have a hard time playing that back without lag. Even Final Cut Pro can't import raw 7D video without a conversion (Adobe Premiere does not have this problem though). Why anyone would want to play a video of this size and resolution on a tablet is beyond me (3GB for 4mins is ridiculous in a playback form). I can't even imagine wanting to watch a full length movie in that form.
Both of these videos seriously choke in any player other than Vital Player (including Mobo, QQ, and MVideo). I couldn't play any video in my library with them or the stock player, but all of these files play just fine in Vital.

I'm playing 720p with no problem
converted with Handbreak. Settings below.
container: "mp4" everything else turned off
picture: "1280x720"
video: "h.264 (x264)"
target size as least as large as the source
advanced: reference frames = 4
b-frames = 0
I'm using moboplayer and downloaded some sort of codec pack (the player prompted me the first time and opened the app store). The default player also works.

AtomicAge said:
I'm playing 720p with no problem
converted with Handbreak. Settings below.
container: "mp4" everything else turned off
picture: "1280x720"
video: "h.264 (x264)"
target size as least as large as the source
advanced: reference frames = 4
b-frames = 0
I'm using moboplayer and downloaded some sort of codec pack (the player prompted me the first time and opened the app store). The default player also works.
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Maybe that's all I was missing for the other players (I didn't get prompted to download codecs). I'll stick with Vital Player though simply because it's already on my tablet and it works.

Popsiclestand said:
Maybe that's all I was missing for the other players (I didn't get prompted to download codecs). I'll stick with Vital Player though simply because it's already on my tablet and it works.
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Ive tried lots of different players and anything i download from BitTorrent (.mkv which I convert to MP4 for my Xbox) won't play worth a damn on my transformer. They are all720p. They all lag like crazy. Can the transformer not handle this?
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tsatrom said:
Ive tried lots of different players and anything i download from BitTorrent (.mkv which I convert to MP4 for my Xbox) won't play worth a damn on my transformer. They are all720p. They all lag like crazy. Can the transformer not handle this?
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90% of all HD videos you download the internet are ripped from blu-ray and likely encoded with high profile h264 because that's what looks best. the tegra 2 cannot handle these files at 720 or 1080p, and thus they need to be re-encoded to main profile, which as i understand it, means a much lower bitrate (and thus worse picture).

you can read more about it here
http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?t=98211 (bottom of page)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.264/MPEG-4_AVC#Profiles

fakeyfakerson said:
you can read more about it here
http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?t=98211 (bottom of page)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.264/MPEG-4_AVC#Profiles
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Thanks guys
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I got all excited because of this thread...but I just gave VitalPlayer a shot on a 720p high profile x264 and it still sucks. No artifacts but the framerate is really low it seems.
In case anyone is interested I did receive this message from ASUS:
"On this issue, we have tested some of the 1080p video is playing well. We have cooperation with google and will launch android 3.1 in June to resolve the 720p and 1080p video playback problems."
We'll see...

GetLaid said:
I got all excited because of this thread...but I just gave VitalPlayer a shot on a 720p high profile x264 and it still sucks. No artifacts but the framerate is really low it seems.
In case anyone is interested I did receive this message from ASUS:
"On this issue, we have tested some of the 1080p video is playing well. We have cooperation with google and will launch android 3.1 in June to resolve the 720p and 1080p video playback problems."
We'll see...
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i believe that is flash only, as in 720/1080 youtube streaming which is much lower quality than a high profile blu-ray rip. the problem is tegra 2, which is a year old, not supporting 720/1080p playback. it's the reason boxee box dropped tegra for an intel chip.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1060825
this thread seems to do a pretty good job of explaining everything and going through how to get HD vids working

Playing high resolution video?

Which is the best player to view video in high resolution without to convert them or stuff like that!
I already overclocked it on 1.5 GHz but i can not play 1280x720 videos fluently!
I heard that the SGS 2 can play 1920 fluently out of the box, dont know if its true!
I'm currently on 3.0.1! Is there a difference on 3.1?

Hi oaz1,
Did you make high profile video work OK now? I am also very interested to make at least 720p high profile video work on my Xoom.
Have you tried Tiamat Kernel with both CPU and GPU overclock? Are you using software or hardware video decoding?
FYI, I am running stock 3.2 image.

oaz1 said:
Which is the best player to view video in high resolution without to convert them or stuff like that!
I already overclocked it on 1.5 GHz but i can not play 1280x720 videos fluently!
I heard that the SGS 2 can play 1920 fluently out of the box, dont know if its true!
I'm currently on 3.0.1! Is there a difference on 3.1?
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I've been using mx video player. It plays 720p files without a problem.

Buy dice player...

Install Mobo Player and QQ Player, and then buy Dice Player, it plays high profile 720p H264 without a hitch. You can also use XenonMKV to convert the audio in your high profile videos (without re-encoding video) and play them back in the stock player without issues. Takes about 15 minutes to convert and rebuild a 2 hour movie on my laptop, video is untouched in the process. I did that once, but it's much easier (and well worth the ~$5) to buy Dice Player.

[Q] I thought Tegra 2 could play back at least 720p?

I thought that the Tegra 2 could play back 1080p. I ripped Sucker Punch from my Blu-Ray copy so that I could play it on my XOOM. Instead of 1080p I converted it to 720p just to be safe. When I tried to watch the file it wasn't showing up in Gallery.
I used Moboplayer (recommend by lordao) and when it played it, it would skip and be extremely laggy (as in less than 5 fps and the video on my desktop runs at 30fps). So I tried VPlayer and that worked but it would be a little choppy (it sorta worked).
The movie's format is 1280x534, MP4 Video, and 2.18GB.
Any ideas? or is it just the Tegra 2 and how Nvidia lied?

Chubby_Skunk said:
I thought that the Tegra 2 could play back 1080p. I ripped Sucker Punch from my Blu-Ray copy so that I could play it on my XOOM. Instead of 1080p I converted it to 720p just to be safe. When I tried to watch the file it wasn't showing up in Gallery.
I used Moboplayer (recommend by lordao) and when it played it, it would skip and be extremely laggy (as in less than 5 fps and the video on my desktop runs at 30fps). So I tried VPlayer and that worked but it would be a little choppy (it sorta worked).
The movie's format is 1280x534, MP4 Video, and 2.18GB.
Any ideas? or is it just the Tegra 2 and how Nvidia lied?
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What is the File Format, .mkv?

Chubby_Skunk said:
I thought that the Tegra 2 could play back 1080p. I ripped Sucker Punch from my Blu-Ray copy so that I could play it on my XOOM. Instead of 1080p I converted it to 720p just to be safe. When I tried to watch the file it wasn't showing up in Gallery.
I used Moboplayer (recommend by lordao) and when it played it, it would skip and be extremely laggy (as in less than 5 fps and the video on my desktop runs at 30fps). So I tried VPlayer and that worked but it would be a little choppy (it sorta worked).
The movie's format is 1280x534, MP4 Video, and 2.18GB.
Any ideas? or is it just the Tegra 2 and how Nvidia lied?
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It sounds like you didn't convert it to a proper file format, if it doesn't show up in the gallery you didn't use the correct format.
Moboplayer can play it because it uses software decoding for unsupported media, but as a downside can't play HD files very well since it can't use the hardware acceleration that the tegra 2 offers

Kevterminator said:
What is the File Format, .mkv?
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no. I used mp4.
Normally use AVI and it works flawlessly in Moboplayer.

wolfcry0 said:
It sounds like you didn't convert it to a proper file format, if it doesn't show up in the gallery you didn't use the correct format.
Moboplayer can play it because it uses software decoding for unsupported media, but as a downside can't play HD files very well since it can't use the hardware acceleration that the tegra 2 offers
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Just to clarify, you're saying Mobo can't play it in 720p because it doesn't take advantage of the Tegra 2?

Chubby_Skunk said:
Just to clarify, you're saying Mobo can't play it in 720p because it doesn't take advantage of the Tegra 2?
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If the File Type isnt supported by Honeycomb (like .mkv) Mobo will use Software decoding and run extremly slow, if the file is supported Mobo will use Hardware acceleration.
Maybe your file is containing a weird video or audio codec because AVC mp4 f.e. is played even with the Standard player in 720p flawlessly ,i recently watched 3 mp4 720p Movies.

Have you tried Rockplayer?
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gqstatus0685 said:
Have you tried Rockplayer?
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I emailed the devs of Rockplayer about this very issue, here is the complete reply from them "Even with Xoom's dual-core processor, the device still doesn't have enough capability to decode 1080p videos in software mode."

If you have a computer with an Nvidia graphics card, look into Badaboom for fast conversions.
Either way, use h264 with baseline encoding for best playback.

champers said:
If you have a computer with an Nvidia graphics card, look into Badaboom for fast conversions.
Either way, use h264 with baseline encoding for best playback.
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Damnit. I used to have an old GeForce 7300LE then last year I upgraded to the ATI 5470HD 1GB VRAM.

Chubby_Skunk said:
Damnit. I used to have an old GeForce 7300LE then last year I upgraded to the ATI 5470HD 1GB VRAM.
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i know this isnt going to help or anything but you think you can send me the movie? haha i know its random but i think i can make it work and ill send it back to you if i get it to work

http://bluesky23.yu-nagi.com/en/index.html
That was in another video encoding thread on Xoom>General for ati cards. I have never used it though.

720p should play just fine on the xoom.
h.264 high profile vid @ 720p (ripped from blu ray) using Apple TV2 handbrake preset is what I use. The videos wouldn't play good on 3.0. On 3.1 it seems hardware acceleration was enabled for 720p high profile and they play great. They play so good on the xoom that now the last reason to keep my ipad2 is gone, so I've sold the ipad2 lol

720p/1080p Video playback?

can the tf 101 play back HD videos in 720p or 1080p with good performance? so far ive treid .mkv, .wmv and .mp4 108ßp files but all of them were way too slow or didnt play at all - is there something one has to do in orderto play HD movies, or is the tf101 too weak?

I've played 720p MKV's and MPEGs with reasonable performance on the stock ROM, but whenever i try to play anything 1080p the wheels start coming off. AFAIK b/c the transformer doesn't have a 1080p screen it won't be able to play 1080p videos (or if it can, it has to downsize them) and that's why it goes haywire whenever i try

In my own experience, I've found that using .avi format encoded with h246 codec (I use TVC) works surprisingly well. I've only converted 720p vids and they run damn smooth. Haven't tried 1080p. Don't need to really. More pixels and I think my eyes might bleed.
Hope that helps. Except the bleeding eyes part.

720p (either mkv, avi or mp4) works okay when using player capable of HW decoding, like MX or Dice Player. I'm not sure about 1080p, but i doubt it would work with acceptable performance.

satanius said:
720p works okay when using player capable of HW decoding, like MX or Dice Player. I'm not sure about 1080p, but i doubt it would work with acceptable performance.
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Ah yes! Very true. Be sure to go to the Market and download "Mobiplayer" and all its codecs. That's your best video player for the tablet right there. That's what I use to play my files. TF definitely can play these resolutions, but it depends on the format, like on any device.

Rumor is that 1080p Main/Low profile works with HW decoding, but not the High profiles.

Mx video player or dice works well. Some mkvs play better on dice and vice versa
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[Q] HD video playback

Hi, I got te g2x for almost 2 months now, and now I got a hdmi cable and thought about playing some HD and Full HD videos on my TV.
Im my current rom (SINGH-UI) and player (BS-player) only HD .mp4 videos play nice, mkv plays with some problems, and cant play 1080p videos at all.
Anyone know of a good combination of rom+kernel+player that can play 1080p videos? or at least mkv HD?
Thank you very much, and sorry if it has been asked before, I did a search but not found all the answers.

luck_android said:
Hi, I got te g2x for almost 2 months now, and now I got a hdmi cable and thought about playing some HD and Full HD videos on my TV.
Im my current rom (SINGH-UI) and player (BS-player) only HD .mp4 videos play nice, mkv plays with some problems, and cant play 1080p videos at all.
Anyone know of a good combination of rom+kernel+player that can play 1080p videos? or at least mkv HD?
Thank you very much, and sorry if it has been asked before, I did a search but not found all the answers.
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I use MX Player on any ROM I use, no issues. Use software decoding, uncheck deiinterlace, and set CPU to use from default to 2.

Thanks, will try that and edit the results
Also is the pro version worth it?
Edit: Now I can play Mkv perfectly thanks =), but some 720p and 1080p mp4 still gets laggy/desincronized some times.

luck_android said:
Thanks, will try that and edit the results
Also is the pro version worth it?
Edit: Now I can play Mkv perfectly thanks =), but some 720p and 1080p mp4 still gets laggy/desincronized some times.
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I don't use pro. The free edition does everything I need from a video player. Sometimes just play with the settings and you can get a video to play correctly.
So it's better, same, or worse?

Ahh its definitely better, will play with the settings a bit and see what may chance.
Thanks for the help