How can the archos kid play tablet ($130) get ics and the galaxy s 4g can't? Is it because of the 1gb ram?
I don't know but I paid $500 for my phone. I'm on the T-Mobile Loyalty Plus Plan (no contract). You would think I paid for the upgrade already lol... it was worth it though because this phone brought me to this Community (my first Community/Root/Modding) and all It's Offerings.
Sorry for being off topic. I'm waiting on a train to take me home.
Actually, this phone is perfectly above standards to run ICS quite smoothly. If the tmo g1 with 538 mhz arm v6 cortex and 192 mb ram can run it, then obviously, we can.
It basically has the same specs as a Nexus S(Crespo)
I'm really beginning to think that the "exclusively for Tmobile" is our Achilles heel, because we're such a small percentage of the overall market share we're just not important enough to them (Tmobile & Samsung) to warrant the update... That's why may faith lays in the hands of the developers we have here.
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I'm really beginning to think that the "exclusively for Tmobile" is our Achilles heel, because we're such a small percentage of the overall market share we're just not important enough to them (Tmobile & Samsung) to warrant the update... That's why may faith lays in the hands of the developers we have here.
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I agree with you cause back when I had a mytouch slide we didn't get official froyo until they just started releasing gingerbread for new phones
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Not to make an insult to injury so to speak, but i found a guide on YouTube on how to install ics on my pc... Wtf Samsung?!?
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Not to make an insult to injury so to speak, but i found a guide on YouTube on how to install ics on my pc... Wtf Samsung?!?
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Really?? I got to check this out lol
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Not to make an insult to injury so to speak, but i found a guide on YouTube on how to install ics on my pc... Wtf Samsung?!?
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Lol Samsung blows lol cmon Thomas get us ics lol oh wait forgot no eta's
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Lol Samsung blows lol cmon Thomas get us ics lol oh wait forgot no eta's
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I don't know what the problem is. I've been running ICS Aokp for over a week now. Fast smooth and feature rich. Oh forgot to tell you guys I bought a Skyrocket. lol
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Although I've already "made my peace" with many of those here who had a gripe with me, I'd like to, once again, thank the people here who were actually helpful, were willing to accept my apology and, most importantly, the developers who are always hard at work trying to make the GS4G the best that it can be. The recent Gingerbread ROMs have really brought new life to this phone and addressed many of my initial complaints and disappointment.
That being said, (and much to the delight of several of you here who just can't seem to move past things, even after my apologies and attempts to reconcile) I still can't see myself keeping this phone. There's just not enough RAM, app storage space, etc. and, being a father of 8 month old twins, I need a decent camera ready at all times. I think we can all agree that the camera on this thing is about as weak as it gets these days.
So I ordered an HTC Sensation which should be here in a week. I guess I'll be bothering the guys over in those forums soon enough.
SELLING OUTSIDE THE MARKET PLACE IS AGAINST FORUM RULES
Thanks again. Be good.
Sell it to krylon whitehawk or honk on the cheap!! That'll quiet those griping!!
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my sister has d sensation.. it only has 8 gb sd card but a 1 gb internal memory... everything is good in sensation except when gaming..
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Might buy one for my sister. AHaha. How much're you willing to sell it for?
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I'll buy it for 150.
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What are you looking to get for it. My wife's g2 keeps shutting off so looking for a new phone for her.
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LOL that's funny TMO gave me a 16gb sd card with mine. I fall in the category of I'm glad to see you leave.
You can apologize, but one thing you still haven't figured out is that you still complain, and take from the community and rarely provide anything back.
Hope it works well on the sensation forum for you.
"Your" not going to be missed.
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Hope it works well on the sensation forum for you.
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I can tell within 5 minutes of reading the OP's past threads that he's annoying as hell. I really hope he doesn't come to the Sensation section harassing people.
I can't go lower than $200, as it looks like I can get that, or a bit more, on eBay.
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I can't go lower than $200, as it looks like I can get that, or a bit more, on eBay.
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Trade you a Samsung Focus?
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my sister has d sensation.. it only has 8 gb sd card but a 1 gb internal memory... everything is good in sensation except when gaming..
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I have a 16 GB card on hand, and I don't play games.
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Trade you a Samsung Focus?
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No thanks. But that does make me think... I'd consider a trade for an HD2.
Good luck hope it all goes well for ypu.. ill be joining you soon over at the HTC sensation 4g forum
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Would you consider trading it for a Black myTouch 4G? Has good eMMC, good screen with no dust. I love this phone but considering the GS4G since I like it's hardware.
Perfect condition.
BTW, did TMO give you an upgrade discount for the Sensation?
175.
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Oh love jager... Ill pay 150. 175 goddamit XD
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No thanks. But that does make me think... I'd consider a trade for an HD2.
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I have a like new very good condition HD2. With the box and everything. PM me if you're interested.
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Would you consider trading it for a Black myTouch 4G? Has good eMMC, good screen with no dust. I love this phone but considering the GS4G since I like it's hardware.
Perfect condition.
BTW, did TMO give you an upgrade discount for the Sensation?
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Are you in Los Angeles? I miss my mytouch :/
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Are you in Los Angeles? I miss my mytouch :/
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Yeah near SF valley. Santa Clarita to be exact.
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Yeah near SF valley. Santa Clarita to be exact.
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I'm seeing a trade going to happen soon! meet half way guys!.. I'm in SFV myself!
Today was the best worst day ever..My Cappy went for a swim but drowned
Lucky part of my day was that someone was selling an infuse 4g for 50$!!!!
I bought it rooted it and its nice
Thanx for all the roms help and chatter
Infuse doesn't have ICS which ill surely miss but i guess GB will do for now
Once again Thanx a million
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Going to miss you on the captivate forums. Have fun with your new(well used) phone!
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Going to miss you on the captivate forums. Have fun with your new(well used) phone!
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Thnx man!
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Too bad about your cappy, miss you in the forums as well every time I thought about flashing a rom you were already on it and had your thoughts posted. So I flashed roms based on your thoughts most times lol. Good job on the 50 dollar infuse, now if you could find me one
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Too bad about your cappy, miss you in the forums as well every time I thought about flashing a rom you were already on it and had your thoughts posted. So I flashed roms based on your thoughts most times lol. Good job on the 50 dollar infuse, now if you could find me one
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Haha I think they guy was a crack head looking for his daily fix, had no money so he sacrificed his phone haha...yeah development for the infuse is kind of dead to be honest....its not largely supported.
Come down to AZ man ...a lot of phones for good price.... or find the local crack head with a good phone and offer him money lol
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Are you sure that was his phone? Lol
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Are you sure that was his phone? Lol
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Haha, steal it and deal it!
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Haha, steal it and deal it!
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Yep! the price is unbelievable
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Are you sure that was his phone? Lol
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I highly doubt it..... but he didn't say it was stolen either lol
But 50$ is a good buy!! Haha
Kinda down tho.. Dev for the infuse is DEAD!!!!!! Like super DEAD lol
All devs moved on or got the Note and other devs don't want to help with kernels or anything ...so I might sell this bad boy for a good 200 and put some cash in for a Skyrocket idk about the Note seems kinda big
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I highly doubt it..... but he didn't say it was stolen either lol
But 50$ is a good buy!! Haha
Kinda down tho.. Dev for the infuse is DEAD!!!!!! Like super DEAD lol
All devs moved on or got the Note and other devs don't want to help with kernels or anything ...so I might sell this bad boy for a good 200 and put some cash in for a Skyrocket idk about the Note seems kinda big
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Even skyrocket Dev is not great...i know its better then infuse but...nothing in comparison to OG SG2 or even ATT note
I might consider the Note but just the size seems huge!! I've never actually held it so until I do play with it I'll make my choice
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skyrocket CAll quality sucks donkey ass. test it before buying.
jeez typing on a tablet is such a pain
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skyrocket CAll quality sucks donkey ass. test it before buying.
jeez typing on a tablet is such a pain
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Nothing a new modem can't fix...
Plus Skyrocket is getting ICS soon so the source will be out and different ICS roms will be out as well ..... and Cyanogen will be working all all devices for CM9 (except the infuse sadly)
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Cyanogen will be working all all devices for CM9 (except the infuse sadly)
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where did u got this info?
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where did u got this info?
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They said it and even gave out specs on the phones which was mainly 256ram and 1ghz processor was all that was needed
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Worst fear was realized today! My beloved cappy took a fall right into the toilet, clean water thankfully! I had to switch to my hd2 for the time being. My cappy is resting comfortably in a bag of rice. I got the battery out so fast that it didn't get wet nor did anything behind the back cover. It may survive, only time will tell. But now I truly feel for you jayrokk
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Worst fear was realized today! My beloved cappy took a fall right into the toilet, clean water thankfully! I had to switch to my hd2 for the time being. My cappy is resting comfortably in a bag of rice. I got the battery out so fast that it didn't get wet nor did anything behind the back cover. It may survive, only time will tell. But now I truly feel for you jayrokk
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Aww hope your cappy makes it buddy ....the feeling sucks lol
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How did you manage to drop it in the toilet???
haha I was stupidly listening to a voice mail while brushing my teeth and I grabbed the mouth wash and the bottle knocked it in the toilet. Lol damn personal hygiene
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haha I was stupidly listening to a voice mail while brushing my teeth and I grabbed the mouth wash and the bottle knocked it in the toilet. Lol damn personal hygiene
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I had a similar incident with another phone ....not my old cappy lol.....
I was pissing and holding my phone with my shoulder and head....and for some reason i lifted my head and the phone just slid down lmao
But that was the tragedy for that haha
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Okay android. 4.1 will be released at Google io this week so how long until cyanagen gets it for our phone. At this point skip ics as its yesterday old crappie crap on a stick. We should have it like how apple releases ios they do updates so quick why can't you we. This is stupid and full year after ics we don't have it.....
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Be happy we're getting ICS. This is a year and a half old phone.
The only reason apple updates for so long is because it has literally like 6 devices to update. HTC has like 30+, all with diffrerent RIL, screen sizes, ram, processors, and carriers.
The CyanoogenMod developers don't work for you, don't expect anything from them.
I'm cool with just getting ICS
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Be happy we're getting ICS. This is a year and a half old phone.
The only reason apple updates for so long is because it has literally like 6 devices to update. HTC has like 30+, all with diffrerent RIL, screen sizes, ram, processors, and carriers.
The CyanoogenMod developers don't work for you, don't expect anything from them.
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Never I want 4.1 android
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Never I want 4.1 android
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Then build it for us or buy a new phone, but dont demand anythinh
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Then build it for us or buy a new phone, but dont demand anythinh
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I am an American, I can demand anything....
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Never I want 4.1 android
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Android 4.1 is a stupid simple update from ICS. It isn't all that different and a lot of stuff will carry over. The developer's well get 4.1 running as soon as they can, if they can. The reason we don't have ICS is because we don't have a RIL yet. That should come with the first ICS leak.
If Apple's release schedule is superior then I think it's time for you to go buy an iPhone.The dev's are already pretty stressed out about this, and they do all their work for free. You honestly don't have the right to demand anything.
If you want the latest updates immediately after they come out, you should have bought a Nexus device.
Also, Cyanogenmod isn't the only AOSP build out there, and there are many better ones. I'd research into most of them, since the active CM developers for the Tbolt are working with 7, not 9(which is ICS based) it could be a while.
I also hope that your american comment was not serious, but it doesn't matter. The damage is done. Attitudes like that are the reason that a lot of other nations look down on the US and consider the citizen's ignorant and stupid.
Cant wait for 4.1 for my SGS2
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Android 4.1 is a stupid simple update from ICS. It isn't all that different and a lot of stuff will carry over. The developer's well get 4.1 running as soon as they can, if they can. The reason we don't have ICS is because we don't have a RIL yet. That should come with the first ICS leak.
If Apple's release schedule is superior then I think it's time for you to go buy an iPhone.The dev's are already pretty stressed out about this, and they do all their work for free. You honestly don't have the right to demand anything.
If you want the latest updates immediately after they come out, you should have bought a Nexus device.
Also, Cyanogenmod isn't the only AOSP build out there, and there are many better ones. I'd research into most of them, since the active CM developers for the Tbolt are working with 7, not 9(which is ICS based) it could be a while.
I also hope that your american comment was not serious, but it doesn't matter. The damage is done. Attitudes like that are the reason that a lot of other nations look down on the US and consider the citizen's ignorant and stupid.
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what i am saying is that it is stupid how long it takes from the time google/moto releases the code to it gets to us on our phones. Even the sprint nexus s took over 6 months to get out.... why cant it be quick like apple is all i am saying since they too have many devices to support fromt he 3gs, 4, 4s and soon the 5.
and when the world has a problem who do they call? THE USA! True Power is not given... It is TAKEN.... J.R. Ewing
The thunderbolt is an older device now, it has a single core CPU and there are now phones that are quadcore with better screens and hardware. If you don't like the selection of roms our developers have made available to us, like you said, you're an American, you have the free choice to get another phone or learn to port jellybean to the bolt yourself.
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I am an American, I can demand anything....
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Easily the dumbest comment in a long time.
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The thunderbolt is an older device now, it has a single core CPU and there are now phones that are quadcore with better screens and hardware. If you don't like the selection of roms our developers have made available to us, like you said, you're an American, you have the free choice to get another phone or learn to port jellybean to the bolt yourself.
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Because I feel jellybean is easily installed as it is only a dot release so we are intitled to it.
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We wont see an official release of that and the only way we will is through development. Im honestly surprised that the phone manufacturers are even updating the thunderbolt and some of the others to ics. People aren't going to go out and buy a thunderbolt because it has ics. Theyre going to buy the new badass phone with a gazillion freaking cores in it that all dont even operate most of the time.
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We wont see an official release of that and the only way we will is through development. Im honestly surprised that the phone manufacturers are even updating the thunderbolt and some of the others to ics. People aren't going to go out and buy a thunderbolt because it has ics. Theyre going to buy the new badass phone with a gazillion freaking cores in it that all dont even operate most of the time.
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I spent $50 and want jellybean as now ice cream sandwich is so last year....
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Because I feel jellybean is easily installed as it is only a dot release so we are intitled to it.
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You are entitled to nothing more than the way the phone was when you bought it.
You are not American, your the problem WITH America
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so let me make sure I understand this right. ICS is only on about 7% of the devices on the planet but you are crying and *****ing about a version of android that isnt even out yet not on a year and a half old device. i refuse to acknowledge all the other ignorant stuff you said because this was enough.
do the board a favor and next time you want to say something.... dont.
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I spent $50 and want jellybean as now ice cream sandwich is so last year....
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yeah, Happy Trolling idiot.
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You are entitled to nothing more than the way the phone was when you bought it.
You are not American, your the problem WITH America
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^^^ THIS ^^^
Google_Nexus is obviously trolling, only saying these things to piss people off for the "fun" of it. Replying only provokes it and is what he wants. This thread should be closed.
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Google_Nexus is obviously trolling, only saying these things to piss people off for the "fun" of it. Replying only provokes it and is what he wants. This thread should be closed.
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I do own a tbolt and feel as I posted. We are due jelly beam and key lime pie also. I am a demanding owner.
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Is it worth buying the phone now ? i have a low budget because i am only going to use the money from selling my Atrix 4G which annoys me a lot XD
Is the phone fast ? are there any lags or bugs ?
and is there any Cm9/10 finished ?
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Is it worth buying the phone now ? i have a low budget because i am only going to use the money from selling my Atrix 4G which annoys me a lot XD
Is the phone fast ? are there any lags or bugs ?
and is there any Cm9/10 finished ?
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If you can get one for cheap I definitely recommend it. To me, the CM9 builds we have are all complete besides those minor little niggles like TV out. Our ICS is freaking fast!!! But all of this would not be possible without jt1134 and bhundven. Man I love those guys lol. Anyways, yes its worth it
If you have the chance to get something better then definitely do it. This phone is better than nothing but I can't wait to get some cash and upgrade
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I can get the galaxy S1 for 256$ but it is used in an "ok" condition...
Or i can get the xPeria Sola, new for 384$...
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I can get the galaxy S1 for 256$ but it is used in an "ok" condition...
Or i can get the xPeria Sola, new for 384$...
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You can get the one s from T-Mobile for free with a new contract it ends in 2 days so hurry thats as good of a deal as possible! Or wait to get the HTC one x + also from T-Mobile which should come out this month.
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You can get the one s from T-Mobile for free with a new contract it ends in 2 days so hurry thats as good of a deal as possible! Or wait to get the HTC one x + also from T-Mobile which should come out this month.
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I'd love to but i am from Israel mate, we don't have T-Mobile here
Thanks for the help though ! lol
nathan96 said:
I'd love to but i am from Israel mate, we don't have T-Mobile here
Thanks for the help though ! lol
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It's ok you have Jaffa oranges, were even
nathan96 said:
I'd love to but i am from Israel mate, we don't have T-Mobile here
Thanks for the help though ! lol
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Hi Nathan
Please review my signature links and PM me for further questions.
I put my goal to make SGS4G have all the possibilities SGS i9000 has in terms of full Hebrew UI.
I think SGS 4G is an amazing device for its price and is still very much rocking. SheYihYe BeHatzLaCha anyway.
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Hi Nathan
Please review my signature links and PM me for further questions.
I put my goal to make SGS4G have all the possibilities SGS i9000 has in terms of full Hebrew UI.
I think SGS 4G is an amazing device for its price and is still very much rocking. SheYihYe BeHatzLaCha anyway.
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Thanks man ! The bigger q's is if to buy XPSola or SGS4G?
Can't help you with that. Compare the specs, the xda communities and check out reviews. I can tell you this - I am here.
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Definitely go for the xperia
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You probably could get a nexus s for around the same price as a sgs4g and it will have dat delicious jelly bean (and probably key lime pie)
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You probably could get a nexus s for around the same price as a sgs4g and it will have dat delicious jelly bean (and probably key lime pie)
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God, I don't know what will be in Key Lime Pie but it sure will look delicious.
Op: I suggest you get a phone straight from the manufacturer, like from the Nexus line from Google.
Just got sidekick 4g... There some cool looking out there but i don't see any make a rom for ics... Will this come soon or never?
Ics most likly never gb hopefully soon anyways I'm giving this phone up soon
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Not what I want to hear.... hope somone make it
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We can only hope GB will be out in a few weeks. WHat's for ics... I don't think it'll be possible with no devs working in this area
Never.
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Never.
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Sorry to be the glass half empty, but we have very little production here right now. G1 has more
Although, we may finally have some GB soon I'm thinking of testing it a little bit
+1 on the never comment. lol Facts are facts, even if we get that 2.3 you know how buggy that bad boys gonna be? Plus gingerbread ain't even that much better then froyo. Enjoy the sidekick for what it is, because Ric rpm and ayo have already made it as good as it's going to ever be imo. Just my 2 cents
http://i.imgur.com/of4AgZc.png
Yeah, it's discontinued so the odds of people getting them is slim.
You know, I've read about so many hardware issues with these damn SKs' and I haven't had one. (Apart from the buggy touch sensitivity.) Did I just get a lucky unit or something? XD
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Yeah, it's discontinued so the odds of people getting them is slim.
You know, I've read about so many hardware issues with these damn SKs' and I haven't had one. (Apart from the buggy touch sensitivity.) Did I just get a lucky unit or something? XD
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I'm with you. I think we talked before about the screen issues. I think most of the issues were just from early rom developement. A lot of the early roms should of been betas but we were so starved for any kind of dev work stuff got rushed, people threw hissy fits, devs gave them the finger, the sk4g flatlined lol
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