Im so tired of seeing so much ics everywhere except here i now have an ice cream headache (applause for my witty wordplay) so anywho..im about to order one of these tablets here http://android-sale.com/eken-a90-android-tablet-16gb.html
I dont feel like paying over 200$ so after my research,this is so far my best bet.comes with ics.theres already support for root and clockworkmod but virtually no custom roms yet..so if i get quiet on here soon youll know what i am up to
I posted this to merely get some opinions on this tablet,if anyone has used,owned,or knows someone who has one let me hear some feedback (i trust you guys more than those generic ratings i see on the websites that sell them) also if anyone knows of a better tablet i should get for same price range.i am all ears.
Thanks. - ryan
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Im so tired of seeing so much ics everywhere except here i now have an ice cream headache (applause for my witty wordplay) so anywho..im about to order one of these tablets here http://android-sale.com/eken-a90-android-tablet-16gb.html
I dont feel like paying over 200$ so after my research,this is so far my best bet.comes with ics.theres already support for root and clockworkmod but virtually no custom roms yet..so if i get quiet on here soon youll know what i am up to
I posted this to merely get some opinions on this tablet,if anyone has used,owned,or knows someone who has one let me hear some feedback (i trust you guys more than those generic ratings i see on the websites that sell them) also if anyone knows of a better tablet i should get for same price range.i am all ears.
Thanks. - ryan
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I've never owned a tablet, but that seems like pretty good specs for being so cheap. great price. I don't know what the Atrix 2 community is gonna do without you though
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I've never owned a tablet, but that seems like pretty good specs for being so cheap. great price. I don't know what the Atrix 2 community is gonna do without you though
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thanks for your words,i dont plan on leaving here at all. might take a leap of Absence after scv6 is released soon. after that ill be waiting till the ICS comes to our phones and then goto town on it. theres just not much left that i'd like to do for gingerbread, i mean theres some unique xml work that i would love to be doing but takes time,and now that the babysitter has flaked out for good im left watching the two youngens a lot more than before so my time is limited now.
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thanks for your words,i dont plan on leaving here at all. might take a leap of Absence after scv6 is released soon. after that ill be waiting till the ICS comes to our phones and then goto town on it. theres just not much left that i'd like to do for gingerbread, i mean theres some unique xml work that i would love to be doing but takes time,and now that the babysitter has flaked out for good im left watching the two youngens a lot more than before so my time is limited now.
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True, with a locked bootloader, we are so limited. Kernels can make quite the performance difference. my hope is that as ics nears we can pull it with an unlocked bootloader from cheesecake. I am thinking of trying to make an app to automate the process even more. I sent phydo a PM asking if he would share the source code, so I can take a look at what he's done.
The other problem is we have so few devs for our phone. I'm not all that great myself and basically it is you, Jim, JRW28, and a few others. other phones have a ton of people working on stuff.
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True, with a locked bootloader, we are so limited. Kernels can make quite the performance difference. my hope is that as ics nears we can pull it with an unlocked bootloader from cheesecake. I am thinking of trying to make an app to automate the process even more. I sent phydo a PM asking if he would share the source code, so I can take a look at what he's done.
The other problem is we have so few devs for our phone. I'm not all that great myself and basically it is you, Jim, JRW28, and a few others. other phones have a ton of people working on stuff.
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Yeah.as for me i spent 10 hours a day for a month learning how to develop.i was steady making progress untill i lost the babysitter,now im watching my girls kids.now i barely have time to focus and actually make the progress i want to to bring anything innovative to the table .because theres a lot more to know.i still consider myself an amateur dev.
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@lkrasner Well, technically don't we have an unlocked bootloader, or at least a bypass from kexec? From my understanding we just don't have a kernel to put on it yet.
@rdavisct Does the tablet have a capacitive touch screen or a resistive? I know a friend who bought a tablet that looked really good for the money (two cameras, 1.5Ghz processer, microSD expansion etc.) but he got really pissed of when he got it and discovered it had a resistive touch screen.
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@lkrasner Well, technically don't we have an unlocked bootloader, or at least a bypass from kexec? From my understanding we just don't have a kernel to put on it yet.
@rdavisct Does the tablet have a capacitive touch screen or a resistive? I know a friend who bought a tablet that looked really good for the money (two cameras, 1.5Ghz processer, microSD expansion etc.) but he got really pissed of when he got it and discovered it had a resistive touch screen.
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2 pronlems. kexec doesn't work perfectly, and no one but Jim actually knows what the hell they are doing with kernels.
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2 pronlems. kexec doesn't work perfectly, and no one but Jim actually knows what the hell they are doing with kernels.
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Well, hopefully he is almost done compiling his CM7 kernel
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Well, hopefully he is almost done compiling his CM7 kernel
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if I've learned anything from this forum it is that coming soon means more like a few months than a few days.
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if I've learned anything from this forum it is that coming soon means more like a few months than a few days.
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True, but kernels are immensely complex. I wouldn't mind if he takes a couple months if the product is stable and bug free, rather than him forcing it out early with tons of bugs.
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if I've learned anything from this forum it is that coming soon means more like a few months than a few days.
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@krasner ..youre learning! ;-D
@farshad ..yes its 5 point capacitive,1.5ghz single core,1gm ram,16gb internal storage with sd expansio upto 32gn. Hdmi out and loaded with ics. And. 9.5 inch screen.One HELL of a nice package IMO.
Ive been searching for days.only thing close to these specs is the novo 7 elf 2 and novo 7 aurora ..but those both only come with 8gb internal storage,1.2ghz,and 7 inch screen. So i think i found the winner by far.
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thanks for your words,i dont plan on leaving here at all. might take a leap of Absence after scv6 is released soon. after that ill be waiting till the ICS comes to our phones and then goto town on it. theres just not much left that i'd like to do for gingerbread, i mean theres some unique xml work that i would love to be doing but takes time,and now that the babysitter has flaked out for good im left watching the two youngens a lot more than before so my time is limited now.
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Looks like your rest may have to wait.lol
ics is out! !
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Looks like your rest may have to wait.lol
ics is out! !
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the radio still won't work on mb865
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the radio still won't work on mb865
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Already tried?
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the radio still won't work on mb865
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Won't work on GB? or the whole ics deal from china won't work at all?
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Won't work on GB? or the whole ics deal from china won't work at all?
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the radio image from this did not work to get service with an aokp ICS build that works on our phone.
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the radio image from this did not work to get service with an aokp ICS build that works on our phone.
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So the leak is basically no use to us? Damn that sucks. Got all excited for nothing.
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rdavisct said:
Im so tired of seeing so much ics everywhere except here i now have an ice cream headache (applause for my witty wordplay) so anywho..im about to order one of these tablets here http://android-sale.com/eken-a90-android-tablet-16gb.html
I dont feel like paying over 200$ so after my research,this is so far my best bet.comes with ics.theres already support for root and clockworkmod but virtually no custom roms yet..so if i get quiet on here soon youll know what i am up to
I posted this to merely get some opinions on this tablet,if anyone has used,owned,or knows someone who has one let me hear some feedback (i trust you guys more than those generic ratings i see on the websites that sell them) also if anyone knows of a better tablet i should get for same price range.i am all ears.
Thanks. - ryan
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I know you said you don't feel like paying over 200, but you can get a used xoom off of ebay for very close to 200.
I have a xoom, the one with a 3g/4g radio, and I have hacked it and flashed it to work with an AT&T radio. I have been running ICS on mine for some time now, and I LOVE this thing! When I bought it in March last year, I liked it so, that is why I got the Atrix2.
The Xoom is just that bad assed, if you can spend just a small amount more you can get a used one. I just checked ebay and saw a bunch in about the 200ish range, that lowest was 211, but I am sure if you pay some attention you can snag one for a great price.
Or may be you can try HP touchpad
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Get a HP touchpad, got mine running at 1.6 on both cores, perfectly stable cm9 build. Only mic and camera dont work. Dual boot into web OS is great. Nightly builds available.
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You guys think development will ever rise up for this phone? I'm thinking of trading my myTouch 4G for this thing because I love AMOLED and the hardware quality of the SGS series. But with the development of the MT4G booming I'm not sure if I should pull the trigger.
Anyone regretting getting the SGS4G as supposed to a Vibrant with it's booming development?
Its coming up fast. New Rom's and themes are popping up almost daily now. Choices of modems, kernels, tweaks, etc....
Imo, grab it up! Its gonna be a fun ride and you'll have the chance to be in the front seat
This phone is lightning fast, download speeds are out of this world, and the development, yet still young, is going to take off like a rocket....and I think soon.
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mad_fitter said:
Its coming up fast. New Rom's and themes are popping up almost daily now. Choices of modems, kernels, tweaks, etc....
Imo, grab it up! Its gonna be a fun ride and you'll have the chance to be in the front seat
This phone is lightning fast, download speeds are out of this world, and the development, yet still young, is going to take off like a rocket....and I think soon.
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Yeah that's what I'm hoping man. Just that I've been so used to GB these past couple months I'm a bit weary to go back to 2.2, hopefully ext4 kernels will come to this phone soon so that GB ROM's will work on this phone. I'm one of the 10 people in this world that actually like TWiz, lol. So I hope GB TWiz can come soon.
I still think this is a great phone and yeah the screen is pure awesome. As long as you know what you are getting in to, and you want the features the sgs4g offers you should go for it. This is a pretty great community starting up around here and lots of mods and things already available. We will have gb eventually (might be a while but hey) and if its twiz you like--thanks to Whitehawkx--we even have a port of twiz 4.0 from the galaxy s2 available!
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Harhar321 said:
I still think this is a great phone and yeah the screen is pure awesome. As long as you know what you are getting in to, and you want the features the sgs4g offers you should go for it. This is a pretty great community starting up around here and lots of mods and things already available. We will have gb eventually (might be a while but hey) and if its twiz you like--thanks to Whitehawkx--we even have a port of twiz 4.0 from the galaxy s2 available!
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What really?! How the heck did I miss that in the Development section lol. Fully functioning?
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What really?! How the heck did I miss that in the Development section lol. Fully functioning?
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Yup. Look in the themes and apps forum for:
[MOD][LAUNCHER] TouchWiz 4.0 from SGSII [EDT][5.11.2011]
Enjoy!
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do it. the galaxy series is in my opinion still one of the best phones out. i wouldnt trade it for anything else that doesnt have super amoled. i want to get the sensation but im pretty sure i wouldnt be able to stand the lcd screen after using super amoled. (off topic)
but yes, I would defintely say make the trade. Only thing I hate is not having a flash.
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do it. the galaxy series is in my opinion still one of the best phones out. i wouldnt trade it for anything else that doesnt have super amoled. i want to get the sensation but im pretty sure i wouldnt be able to stand the lcd screen after using super amoled. (off topic)
but yes, I would defintely say make the trade. Only thing I hate is not having a flash.
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Yeah. I love my myTouch 4G. Has everything and I do love Flash. But I just like Samsung's build quality better. I'm one of the 5 people in the world that prefers plastic over the myTouch's metal, lol.
BTW, do the GPS problems in the Vibrant also apparent in the Galaxy S 4G?
mackster248 said:
Yeah. I love my myTouch 4G. Has everything and I do love Flash. But I just like Samsung's build quality better. I'm one of the 5 people in the world that prefers plastic over the myTouch's metal, lol.
BTW, do the GPS problems in the Vibrant also apparent in the Galaxy S 4G?
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Nope def no gps issues and the phone is def an upgrade from the vibrant the only real draw back is the internal memery is scrap but there's some good work around that...lol
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mackster248 said:
Yeah. I love my myTouch 4G. Has everything and I do love Flash. But I just like Samsung's build quality better. I'm one of the 5 people in the world that prefers plastic over the myTouch's metal, lol.
BTW, do the GPS problems in the Vibrant also apparent in the Galaxy S 4G?
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the SGS4G supports adobe flash; it doesn't have a physical flash for the camera. while the "night mode" really does do an excellent job, there have been times i've wished for an actual flash.
my GPS works near-flawlessly. personally, i feel the hardware is so superior to the mT4G that the (current) fewer ROM options is a worthy price. super AMOLED is every bit as spectacular as advertised.
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the SGS4G supports adobe flash; it doesn't have a physical flash for the camera. while the "night mode" really does do an excellent job, there have been times i've wished for an actual flash.
my GPS works near-flawlessly. personally, i feel the hardware is so superior to the mT4G that the (current) fewer ROM options is a worthy price. super AMOLED is every bit as spectacular as advertised.
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Has the 1GB of internal memory ever affected you? I'm worried about that because I have about 70 apps installed and still have about 500mb's free on my MT4G, so I don't wanna have to go back to the G1 days where I have to worry about apps2SD. I know it's a problem with stock GS4G ROM's. But do the rooted ROM's create more internal memory?
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Has the 1GB of internal memory ever affected you? I'm worried about that because I have about 70 apps installed and still have about 500mb's free on my MT4G, so I don't wanna have to go back to the G1 days where I have to worry about apps2SD. I know it's a problem with stock GS4G ROM's. But do the rooted ROM's create more internal memory?
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i haven't run into any issues. froyo allows the moving of apps to the SD. some apps themselves don't support it, but not enough that i've come close to running into the limit. i have around thirty apps installed, though... so your methods may vary.
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Has the 1GB of internal memory ever affected you? I'm worried about that because I have about 70 apps installed and still have about 500mb's free on my MT4G, so I don't wanna have to go back to the G1 days where I have to worry about apps2SD. I know it's a problem with stock GS4G ROM's. But do the rooted ROM's create more internal memory?
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no they dont create more memory
i just posted a guide on how to create 400mb for your apps instead of the normal 200mb for the sgs4g
THANKS for all the responses guys!
I think I'm gonna pull the trigger. I hope I won't regret it, but either way I know I got a good SGS4G community at hand!
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THANKS for all the responses guys!
I think I'm gonna pull the trigger. I hope I won't regret it, but either way I know I got a good SGS4G community at hand!
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A week or 2 ago you might regret it lol but the development is now promising and the community is definitely here for you
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mackster248 said:
THANKS for all the responses guys!
I think I'm gonna pull the trigger. I hope I won't regret it, but either way I know I got a good SGS4G community at hand!
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You won't regret it cause this phone is super fast with the right things done. "Lag, wtf is lag" lol
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GDofWR420 said:
You won't regret it cause this phone is super fast with the right things done. "Lag, wtf is lag" lol
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Yeah, I know it's a great phone. Just sucks that I'm gonna have to downgrade back to Froyo after running GB all year.
But I'm confident GB will come to this phone hopefully sometime sooner than later!
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Yeah, I know it's a great phone. Just sucks that I'm gonna have to downgrade back to Froyo after running GB all year.
But I'm confident GB will come to this phone hopefully sometime sooner than later!
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We already got more than people though we were gonna have. I think it will come in time.
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I'm making the same jump from a mytouch 4g to this simply because my LED flash burned out and this is my 3rd replacement so I'm just ditching it I want something different. At least with this phone I won't have to worry about the flash burning simply because... there is no flash
But in all honesty I hope that this phone can keep up with the speed of my mytouch 4g. I'm going to miss gingerbread but hopefully this phone will get it soon! The screen looks amazing on youtube, I might walk into tmobile and see how I like this phone. Hopefully it doesn't disappoint.
If speed and responsiveness are your main concerns let me tell you...this phone flys. And lots of tweaks to make it even snappier. Of all the things you might worry about on the sgs4g--speed is not one of those things lol.
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Its kind of upsetting/depressing that almost every other high end Android device had at least one ICS ROM. I hope the wait is worth it :/
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jghidalgo307 said:
Its kind of upsetting/depressing that almost every other high end Android device had at least one ICS ROM. I hope the wait is worth it :/
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I think it will be considering the great progress some of these guys are making. Besides we will have(most likely) multiple Roms, before LG even thinks about the OTA.
Lol I know even nexus one is running ics, NVIDIA is a joke, the sad part it no one want to buy this phone either.
NVIDIA NEVER AGAIN!
jghidalgo307 said:
Its kind of upsetting/depressing that almost every other high end Android device had at least one ICS ROM. I hope the wait is worth it :/
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Depressed about a software update for a phone? Really?
What are you trying to do that can not be done with gingerbread? Maybe someone can help you.
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Lol I know even nexus one is running ics, NVIDIA is a joke, the sad part it no one want to buy this phone either.
NVIDIA NEVER AGAIN!
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The Nexus One was destined for high end development anyways...But even the freaking HD2 now has ICS. Now thats ridiculous
But yah, ICS really has nothing to be depressed over. Except for the hardware acceleration capability...now CM9 is a whole other thing. But i'm sure CM9 will be available way before LG drops the major update.
I spent a few hours installing ICS on my daughter's Samsung Vibrant. It was nice to play with but not totally earth shattering. Some UI changes (improvements?), some different features. I was very excited about ICS now after spending some time with it, I can be patient and for the developers to work it out.
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Lol I know even nexus one is running ics, NVIDIA is a joke, the sad part it no one want to buy this phone either.
NVIDIA NEVER AGAIN!
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+1. I tried selling my g2x on CL and everyone's first question is " is it getting ics?".
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Stopfakn said:
+1. I tried selling my g2x on CL and everyone's first question is " is it getting ics?".
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What do you answer?
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What do you answer?
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Hopefully he directs them to thread by tombaker1.
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I think it will be considering the great progress some of these guys are making. Besides we will have(most likely) multiple Roms, before LG even thinks about the OTA.
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I don't think there will be any official ICS from LG or Tmo considering the g2x is already discontinued.
http://www.tmonews.com/2012/01/t-mo...status/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
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I don't think there will be any official ICS from LG or Tmo considering the g2x is already discontinued.[/url]
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Looks that way huh. Well it is LG we're talking about. I would rather a custom Rom anyway, but that's just me.
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ICS sucks without CM. I ran ICS on my HD2 and switched back to CM7.2
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ICS sucks without CM. I ran ICS on my HD2 and switched back to CM7.2
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must just be your HD2 because it runs well on my Vibrant.
Anyway, we will probably see ICS from LG at some point but that will be the last update this phone gets.
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What do you answer?
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I can't lie so I tell them it should but there will definitely be a rom. I do direct them to the FAQ
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painter_ said:
I spent a few hours installing ICS on my daughter's Samsung Vibrant. It was nice to play with but not totally earth shattering. Some UI changes (improvements?), some different features. I was very excited about ICS now after spending some time with it, I can be patient and for the developers to work it out.
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I have ICS Passion 10.6 on my vibrant and its flawless and super fast. Still hoping I dont throw my g2x against the wall before before it finally gets it.
Let not your heart be troubled.
Before you smash the G2x, flash Phoenixblood rom + Faux latest cm kernel and let us all know how you feel about your G2x then lol
I think just about all of us are anticipating cm9 but i believe i have found the best cm7 experience with 0 flaws imo with PhoenixBlood rom
To me is not really about ics, its about how they treat us (g2x users) if it wasn't for cm7/cerqueira this phone would be nothing, im glad i got a good one but many people got ****ty phones and the only reason they did gb was because of the lawsuit. They don't want to give us a fish (updates) and they sure as hell don't want to teach us how to fish (drivers).
I for sure dont want nothing to do with lg/nvidia, had a chance to get 2 cheap LG tvs for xmas, went with another more expensive brand!
NVIDIA NEVER AGAIN!
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To me is not really about ics, its about how they treat us (g2x users) if it wasn't for cm7/cerqueira this phone would be nothing, im glad i got a good one but many people got ****ty phones and the only reason they did gb was because of the lawsuit. They don't want to give us a fish (updates) and they sure as hell don't want to teach us how to fish (drivers).
I for sure dont want nothing to do with lg/nvidia, had a chance to get 2 cheap LG tvs for xmas, went with another more expensive brand!
NVIDIA NEVER AGAIN!
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Well lets not be silly here. LG makes some bomb ass TV's and I wouldn't mind owning one at a good price. I just wouldn't buy another phone from them for obvious reasons, but that's completely different than TV's.
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must just be your HD2 because it runs well on my Vibrant.
Anyway, we will probably see ICS from LG at some point but that will be the last update this phone gets.
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It ran fine without any bug and everything working. It sucks because there is no CM Settings menu.....thats where most of the feature that I use daily are located. losing all those features to gain better new looks is pointless.
I like this phone but, because of the lack of support for it, not LG, NVIDIA and Google. Although it's blasphemy stating this on an Android focused website forum, because of the total messup with this phone, except for the devotion of independent developers and others who support/supported this phone, I will not be buying anything with NVIDIA in it, made by LG, and probably not Android. I am going to seriously consider phones which run the new Windows OS and the iPhone 5 when it comes out.
new forum scent is still here
Finally
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Glad to see a forum, I bought this device for my mom and hope to see devs get behind it. With an unlockable bootloader, anything can be done with the device
Since there are no mods here yet, can I be the first troll? *starts grafting the walls*
lol jk
why is it taking soooo long to restore 8600 text messages??? Actually, why does it not limit people to 300 like I checked. Would knock off a couple thousand easy. i have limits set in gosms and stock to no avail.
And it feels weird having a phone that doesn't say Samsung on it. It's been about four years. Would've been longer if Sammy would've made the i550.
Will say, the Q charges a lot quicker than the Epic ever did with or without a charge only cable. Keys have a bit more travel than the Epic's. Doesn't feel like a good thing at the moment, but I'm sure it's more of just what I'm used to. Same goes for the tab key, weird punctuation placement and the annoying on screen keys. What's the point of having onscreen buttons if there is so much bezel space at the bottom. Phone feels light and plasticy, but not in a bad way. At least there's no chromed plastic. Slider seems solid. Screen is definitely bright. Colors aren't oversaturated, and I still see a touch of pixelization that probably would be non existent if it were HD and not qHD.
Hopefully there will be some worthwhile development for this thing. Cheers all.
Damn!!!! hurry Advocate phone I am rocking an S2 and S3 right now so dont know how this is gonna top them but eh they are giving me one so I am going to learn it and use it to the best of my abilitys! had good experience on the original mopho expect them same here.
Shabby you in on this device ....... then all is well
wheres the love guys? there was more forum activity before you guys got rooted.
Hectic weekend, and my slider is loose. Going to call and get it switched out. Will root and nandroid once I know I can get a new phone so I can do an easy restore.
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shabbypenguin said:
wheres the love guys? there was more forum activity before you guys got rooted.
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Bought this device for my mom, will be rooting it this weekend and starting the debloat. Hope to see the community around this grow, maybe even get a CM maintainer. This has the specs to make it through a few Android OS releases
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Bought this device for my mom, will be rooting it this weekend and starting the debloat. Hope to see the community around this grow, maybe even get a CM maintainer. This has the specs to make it through a few Android OS releases
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as it stands the cm i keep trying to compile is failing in webcore granted that is just purly grabbing cm and adding in my device tree. havent applied any of the moto stuff yet
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as it stands the cm i keep trying to compile is failing in webcore granted that is just purly grabbing cm and adding in my device tree. havent applied any of the moto stuff yet
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you are awesome
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as it stands the cm i keep trying to compile is failing in webcore granted that is just purly grabbing cm and adding in my device tree. havent applied any of the moto stuff yet
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Do you have a tree up? I saw there's kernel source from Moto...
I was looking at buying this device, and I want to put TWRP 2.0 and AOKP on it. I'd love to help ya .
i handed the device tree off to dees_troy since he did the photon twrp himself before i imagine he will prolly do this one as well twrp currently doesnt boot
as for device trees i got sick of so many cwm ports back in teh froyo days not having source up so i do everything in my power to ensure people can get it https://github.com/Shabbypenguin/android_device_moto_asanti
as for aokp/cm and the like i tried to compile CM9 and it threw a bit fit. thats about where im gunna stop
You've been thanked, this should at least get me somewheres. Would like to see some good ROM's for this beast
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You've been thanked, this should at least get me somewheres. Would like to see some good ROM's for this beast
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give me some time and ill have us some goodies, buying this phone real soon, and will port over what I've done for the photon to the q (not saying I'm going to port from photon)... in case you don't know of me....I've taken on miui, aokp, aokpcb, cm9, cna,.paranoid android, and themed/tweaked stock ....I've had alot of great friends helping me through them, so in no way can I take full credit for them but I'm certain I should be able to do the same for the q.....
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Hell yeah I've heard of you and enjoyed your work. I can't wait to see what you put together for the Q.
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Alright! I am getting CM9 and will work with some other peoples to get Shabby's device tree fleshed out. Hopefully we can get that up and running pretty quickly so we can move onto CM10/AOKP
Also, I ordered the phone today - hope to have it here soon!
My wifey wants this phone but she said she wants to wait till ROMs come out for it. Was shocked when she said that I think I got her spoiled on ROMs from her epic 4g lol.
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why is it taking soooo long to restore 8600 text messages??? Actually, why does it not limit people to 300 like I checked. Would knock off a couple thousand easy. i have limits set in gosms and stock to no avail.
And it feels weird having a phone that doesn't say Samsung on it. It's been about four years. Would've been longer if Sammy would've made the i550.
Will say, the Q charges a lot quicker than the Epic ever did with or without a charge only cable. Keys have a bit more travel than the Epic's. Doesn't feel like a good thing at the moment, but I'm sure it's more of just what I'm used to. Same goes for the tab key, weird punctuation placement and the annoying on screen keys. What's the point of having onscreen buttons if there is so much bezel space at the bottom. Phone feels light and plasticy, but not in a bad way. At least there's no chromed plastic. Slider seems solid. Screen is definitely bright. Colors aren't oversaturated, and I still see a touch of pixelization that probably would be non existent if it were HD and not qHD.
Hopefully there will be some worthwhile development for this thing. Cheers all.
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AGREE was so upset there was no hd screen,jokersax,shabby,spleef,th3bill made my MoPho (og photon) so awesome.tegra rox!! now new photon ,no hd, yucky keyboard,and no quad tegra. LEFT and went to gnex!!!! done with MOTO.soooooo loved and still love og photon
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give me some time and ill have us some goodies, buying this phone real soon, and will port over what I've done for the photon to the q (not saying I'm going to port from photon)... in case you don't know of me....I've taken on miui, aokp, aokpcb, cm9, cna,.paranoid android, and themed/tweaked stock ....I've had alot of great friends helping me through them, so in no way can I take full credit for them but I'm certain I should be able to do the same for the q.....
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I second this comment,ya all made my photon fun bro. your top notch spleef. too bad moto went backwords with q,accept 1.5 gig but no tegra and tegra rox.memories of shadowrom
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What are you guys pros, cons, and recommendations.
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Great phone, few annoyances
Overall I think it's a great phone, with a lot of potential. The battery life blows the Epic out of the water, the reception is WAY better, and the keyboard is amazing once you get past the initial learning curve.
Even the stock ROM is not that bad.. My only real gripe is the lack of any toggle buttons in the notifications menu. That drives me insane, I use those constantly and HATE having to go into the settings every time I want to turn anything on or off.
I am, however, eagerly awaiting a root method and some custom ROM goodness. Which will quite easily take care of the majority of my gripes (besides the non-removable battery).
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Overall I think it's a great phone, with a lot of potential. The battery life blows the Epic out of the water, the reception is WAY better, and the keyboard is amazing once you get past the initial learning curve.
Even the stock ROM is not that bad.. My only real gripe is the lack of any toggle buttons in the notifications menu. That drives me insane, I use those constantly and HATE having to go into the settings every time I want to turn anything on or off.
I am, however, eagerly awaiting a root method and some custom ROM goodness. Which will quite easily take care of the majority of my gripes (besides the non-removable battery).
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I hated that damn epic. this phone is superior in every way. contrary to the "bigger is better" hype, I like the size of the phone. It fits nicely in my hand and I don't have to be a contortionist to get my fingers across the screen. the only issue I have to complain about so far, besides the lack of toggles, is that if you have head phones or a bluetooth device connected, the notifications play thru it instead of the back speak. But that could user error on my part.. It isn't that much thicker than the original Photon. I'm holding them both in my hands right now and the weight isn't that much different either, especially for a slider. I'm not in to much of a hurry for any custom roms. but it would be nice to have root. I'm sure shabby or one of the other great devs will have that taken care of soon enough...
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Overall I think it's a great phone, with a lot of potential. The battery life blows the Epic out of the water, the reception is WAY better, and the keyboard is amazing once you get past the initial learning curve.
Even the stock ROM is not that bad.. My only real gripe is the lack of any toggle buttons in the notifications menu. That drives me insane, I use those constantly and HATE having to go into the settings every time I want to turn anything on or off.
I am, however, eagerly awaiting a root method and some custom ROM goodness. Which will quite easily take care of the majority of my gripes (besides the non-removable battery).
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How about a widget? or maybe this app?
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.j4velin.notificationToggle&hl=en
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How about a widget? or maybe this app?
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.j4velin.notificationToggle&hl=en
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I tried it out, and it basically works... It does have a sort of tacked on feeling. I'd much prefer a baked in solution tho.
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I tried it out, and it basically works... It does have a sort of tacked on feeling. I'd much prefer a baked in solution tho.
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There are other alternatives, just giving 1 example.
So far, my thoughts on this device are that it is amazing! This could just be because i'm upgrading from a DROID Eris from Verizon, but this device does just about everything right!
The keyboard is by far the best one I've used on a mobile device, its very tactile and the back light is bright and adjustable. The phones performance is top notch, no lag in apps or just scrolling around. I've even gotten my ps1,n64,and gba emulators running great with keys mapped to the keypad
My internet browsing experience is been quite good, even though I'm still using sprint's 3g network, all websites load up quick and are smooth.
The screen looks fantastic, although it isn't full HD, colors are vibrant and watching videos is great on the phone. Overall, i am VERY pleased with the device so far, and i cant wait to see what developers have in store for it!
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I tried it out, and it basically works... It does have a sort of tacked on feeling. I'd much prefer a baked in solution tho.
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I just tossed the power control widget that's included on my home screen. While you can't get to it from everywhere, it's only one button away.
The only thing about this phone that I truly do not like is notification light. I don't like green XD
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I just tossed the power control widget that's included on my home screen. While you can't get to it from everywhere, it's only one button away.
The only thing about this phone that I truly do not like is notification light. I don't like green XD
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When that's your biggest gripe things are looking up for this phone
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If anyone buys/uses the HD Dock and/or the Vehicle Dock for the Q, I'd be highly interested in hearing your thoughts and experiences after a bit of time using those as well....just tossing that out there for present and future owners alike.
Found this fairly indepth impression post by someone over at Phandroid, worth a read by those considering buying:
http://androidforums.com/motorola-photon-q-4g-lte/604051-my-impressions.html
Better than the Galaxy S III?
So, the question for me is how does it compare to the Galaxy SIII?
Well the sg3 was out because samsung does not update crap. So I was leaning towards the htc evo lte when I heard about the photon q. Sometimes I have to compose some sizable emails for work and the touch typing can get pretty frustrating in those situations, so I end up using my epics keyboard a lot. Even thought about getting the htc and a blackberry just for emails for work
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Well the sg3 was out because samsung does not update crap. So I was leaning towards the htc evo lte when I heard about the photon q. Sometimes I have to compose some sizable emails for work and the touch typing can get pretty frustrating in those situations, so I end up using my epics keyboard a lot. Even thought about getting the htc and a blackberry just for emails for work
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im really wondering where you are getting your sources for samsung doesnt update crap, as far as ive seen they have done a pretty decent job on sprint so far.
I guess u havent had an epic 4g
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I guess u havent had an epic 4g
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Why you say that cause it's stuck on ginger bread unless you use cyanogen mod?
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Why you say that cause it's stuck on ginger bread unless you use cyanogen mod?
The epic started with eclair. Updated to froyo n now has ginger bread stock. That's 2 major updates
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I guess u havent had an epic 4g
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i did actually, froyo came a little slower but i understand why, back then AOSP was really closed off towards just the nexus one. you want proof in that look at how long it took from eclair to froyo vs froyo to gb, samsung had based the nexus s off its samsung galaxy line so it was able to know how to have the code work on the humming bird a hell of a lot sooner. in fact the gingerbread update was posted the day ICS was announced, thus making the epic only 1 update "behind". granted its two now but its also past its two year mark (or rather tomorrow it will be, i remember picking mine up on august 31st 2010 launch day)
the epic 4g touch launched with gingerbread not that long ago it got ics and will prolly get jellybean someday. sgs3 launched with ICS and the tmo version already has leaks of JB, meaning it will prolly happen soon.
now lets compare that to the photon (im sure a few other moto phones fit this bill) launched with 2.3.4, after 7?8? months got an update to 2.3.5 instead of ICS, ICS is coming later this year which means it will only be one update behind until Key Lime is released this november, what do you think the odds are of the photon getting jellybean officially? so as of this november it will be 2 behind and stay that way, considering photon owners are 1 year into their 2 year agreement for that device doesnt leave a lot of hope.
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Why you say that cause it's stuck on ginger bread unless you use cyanogen mod?
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YOU!!! ;P
tumbes20000 said:
I guess u havent had an epic 4g
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XD Helps if you know who you're talking to. He's pretty on point.
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i did actually, froyo came a little slower but i understand why, back then AOSP was really closed off towards just the nexus one. you want proof in that look at how long it took from eclair to froyo vs froyo to gb, samsung had based the nexus s off its samsung galaxy line so it was able to know how to have the code work on the humming bird a hell of a lot sooner. in fact the gingerbread update was posted the day ICS was announced, thus making the epic only 1 update "behind". granted its two now but its also past its two year mark (or rather tomorrow it will be, i remember picking mine up on august 31st 2010 launch day)
the epic 4g touch launched with gingerbread not that long ago it got ics and will prolly get jellybean someday. sgs3 launched with ICS and the tmo version already has leaks of JB, meaning it will prolly happen soon.
now lets compare that to the photon (im sure a few other moto phones fit this bill) launched with 2.3.4, after 7?8? months got an update to 2.3.5 instead of ICS, ICS is coming later this year which means it will only be one update behind until Key Lime is released this november, what do you think the odds are of the photon getting jellybean officially? so as of this november it will be 2 behind and stay that way, considering photon owners are 1 year into their 2 year agreement for that device doesnt leave a lot of hope.
YOU!!! ;P
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you nailed it right on the head.
I love when people don't realize me n you have been working on the epic since the beginning and we seen the phone grow and know what where talking about. Silly newbs
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you nailed it right on the head.
I love when people don't realize me n you have been working on the epic since the beginning and we seen the phone grow and know what where talking about. Silly newbs
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actually i tend to get confused when people mention me and epic. as i never did anything big for it, i leaked DK17 froyo build. i did the first linux/mac one click but i didnt do any roms or anything :/
The bounty has been reached! Thanks XDA! I'll update the OP when Nitro had a phone.
UPDATE: phone had been purchased and week be doing it Monday, confirmed by hesh.monster
FINAL UPDATE: NITRO JUST GOT HIS S3.... HERE WE GO!
If you haven't heard of Eclipse ROM you've probably been living under a rock. If you have heard of them, then you know of the unmatched stability and speed. Not to mention sheer beauty!
nitroglycerine33 is already working on a ROM for the s3, but doesn't own the device. This limits the testing and work he can do, so we need to get him one! I figure 450 is about the average price for one. So let's set that as a goal, nitro says he's already got 20 towards that goal. His donation link is at the bottom of this post. Please post your donation so I can keep track of the total. All donations are going straight to him and if we get more then what we spend on the device it will stay with him as a donation for his hard work.
Also I just sent 40 so now we're at 60 total only 390 to go! Let's get some Eclipse!
Id number 1NW52202MR4912405
DONATIONS
paljets..... $20
hesh.monster..... $65
erz1972..... $20
jaben2...... $25
ashclepdia...... $30
Nnyan..... $60
Kintwofan...... $20
Guthrien....... $20
Motcher41...... $10
Mjdavis871..... $100
Hulk0069....... $20
TOTAL
$430
https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webs...=PP-DonationsBF:btn_donateCC_LG.gif:NonHosted
Edit: I forgot to add this idea was actually started by paljets here, I just started the organized bounty thread. So if you like this make sure you head there and thank him for the idea!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=31384791
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Solid. Stable. Sexy. Support.
That's Eclipse.
Get some
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eclipse ROMs are more like AOSP roms, at least that's what it was on my DX2. correct me if i'm wrong
He made a great Rom for the Fascinate, Evil Fascination, based off touchwiz. It was the only Rom i ran for about a year. It was that good
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I dunno man, a bunch of people bought him a Bionic and he never did **** with it. Kept saying he was gonna make an ICS Eclipse ROM but always had a story about how he was waiting for OTA. He could/should have built it on the leaks but he didn't. He was more focused on other devices. Just food for thought.
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eclipse ROMs are more like AOSP roms, at least that's what it was on my DX2. correct me if i'm wrong
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Yes his ROMs are usually similar to AOSP. Even his stock based use a lot of AOSP apps (dialer, gallery, camera, etc). They are oh so sexy, and incredibly stable and his support if the ROM it's unrealistic. If there's a problem he fixes it!
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He made a great Rom for the Fascinate, Evil Fascination, based off touchwiz. It was the only Rom i ran for about a year. It was that good
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I couldn't agree more. I ran Eclipse on my charge and my RAZR Maxx I woods veer off and try others (,I think I have a problem) but would always come back to eclipse.
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I would love the chance to get my hands on an s3. I appreciate the support guys!
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As soon I get paid I'm donating, you made my x2 bearable.you got my support.
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I dunno man, a bunch of people bought him a Bionic and he never did **** with it. Kept saying he was gonna make an ICS Eclipse ROM but always had a story about how he was waiting for OTA. He could/should have built it on the leaks but he didn't. He was more focused on other devices. Just food for thought.
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I don't know what happened on the bionic, but I do know that his ROM was great for both the RAZR and charge. He also doesn't release a ROM that isn't stable. He also already has a build for the s3 just needs some bug fixing. Which is hard to do without the phone.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=31565668
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coldhardtruth said:
I dunno man, a bunch of people bought him a Bionic and he never did **** with it. Kept saying he was gonna make an ICS Eclipse ROM but always had a story about how he was waiting for OTA. He could/should have built it on the leaks but he didn't. He was more focused on other devices. Just food for thought.
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Wow dude.. so two full builds from the last two gingerbread updates is nothing? Supporting builds for months and building blind for months is nothing? Just because I thought ICS was coming soon I never put out an official build. How do you think i built version 3.0?
ICS leaks were coming weekly for a little while there... I love people like you who feel entitled to things.
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I dunno man, a bunch of people bought him a Bionic and he never did **** with it. Kept saying he was gonna make an ICS Eclipse ROM but always had a story about how he was waiting for OTA. He could/should have built it on the leaks but he didn't. He was more focused on other devices. Just food for thought.
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Man you are so off and wrong here. Been using eclipse for years. Droid X2, Wife's Bionic Still, my galaxy nexus, and both our nexus 7. Nitro puts out the best!!
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Wow dude.. so two full builds from the last two gingerbread updates is nothing? Supporting builds for months and building blind for months is nothing? Just because I thought ICS was coming soon I never put out an official build. How do you think i built version 3.0?
ICS leaks were coming weekly for a little while there... I love people like you who feel entitled to things.
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I have never ran or heard of your roms (not trying to bash) but I donate to devs that get the device themselves and then show us their skills... I have a hard time donating to someone that should be able to get the phone somehow...? I am living on a set income but found a way to get this device because I love new tech but the comment above makes me think that you think your entitled to a G3 cause your a good dev that needs one (which I don't doubt).. Just sayin... Your work is hugely appreciated but you can find ways of getting the device yourself and then if your that good at what you do then your S3 will be paid for VERY quickly! Once again... Not trying to flame in ANY way shape or form... I would donate in a heartbeat if your roms are as good as people say but you just gotta get that S3 like a bunch of other devs have done on their own.
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I have never ran or heard of your roms (not trying to bash) but I donate to devs that get the device themselves and then show us their skills... I have a hard time donating to someone that should be able to get the phone somehow...? I am living on a set income but found a way to get this device because I love new tech but the comment above makes me think that you think your entitled to a G3 cause your a good dev that needs one (which I don't doubt).. Just sayin... Your work is hugely appreciated but you can find ways of getting the device yourself and then if your that good at what you do then your S3 will be paid for VERY quickly! Once again... Not trying to flame in ANY way shape or form... I would donate in a heartbeat if your roms are as good as people say but you just gotta get that S3 like a bunch of other devs have done on their own.
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Unfortunately, most people don't bother to donate to a dev so on top of the time they invest in making the ROM they are also buying these devices. Nitro is a great dev and this bounty was set up because I and others want his work to come to the s3 NOT because nitro just wants a new phone. He already has many other devices he works on and bought himself. So I appreciate your view and agree IF it actually worked that way were people took care of there Devs but it doesn't.
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Unfortunately, most people don't bother to donate to a dev so on top of the time they invest in making the ROM they are also buying these devices. Nitro is a great dev and this bounty was set up because I and others want his work to come to the s3 NOT because nitro just wants a new phone. He already has many other devices he works on and bought himself. So I appreciate your view and agree IF it actually worked that way were people took care of there Devs but it doesn't.
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Like I said I would NEVER bash a dev cause they MAKE this community what it is!! I donate to at least 2 devs a month and $10 at the very least... It's to bad others don't do the same... Granted it is a hobby for most devs that they LOVE doing but they also get treated like crap and people think that the dev owes them a fix right now!!! LOL That's not the case... I hope nitro does get a G3!! :good:
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I dunno man, a bunch of people bought him a Bionic and he never did **** with it. Kept saying he was gonna make an ICS Eclipse ROM but always had a story about how he was waiting for OTA. He could/should have built it on the leaks but he didn't. He was more focused on other devices. Just food for thought.
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You're an idiot.
Mods, I'll take my punishment now.
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The guys got two kids, a wife, and a full-time job. Additionally, he's never abandoned a device, even when he's running something else. Heard of the X2? He saved it. He doesn't make it a habit to build off leaks, as many devs do. Want to know why? Because stability is his number one concern. This guy builds for YOU while he is working, or in between diaper changes.
What have you done for android? Besides make yourself look like an ass in here?
How many one man teams do you know that does that? Huh? Anyone? Exactly. People like you don't deserve to have fancy, fun devices. Go get an iPhone and take your ****ty, ungrateful attitude somewhere else. Or build something yourself.
See you guys in a week or so. I'll take a ban to defend a stand up dev/person.
Peace.
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I had the bionic and ran his rom. damn right he made it great. why build off of a leak anyway. the leaks were coming so fast it was crazy. imagine having to start over every time. its called time management. building off of leaks seems like a good idea till you do it (I tried and failed miserably. but got a new phone out of it) I would suspect that you were not one of the ones that donated for the bionic because you did not say a bunch of "us ".so why is it any skin off of your back? thanks for the x and bionic Rome can't wait to run the gs3 version.
Right on wolf you said it
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