[Q] App : Sketchbook Pro - typical TF300T issues? - Transformer TF300T Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

[Q] App : Sketchbook Pro - typical TF300T issues? - Transformer TF300T Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

One of the reasons I wanted a tablet is the ability to sketch everywhere I go.
With that in mind I purchased Sketchbook Pro, which is awesome, but ....
....I noticed something that might be typical TF300T related: some of the brush properties are not effective. And I was wondering of someone else also had that issue.
The issue at hand:
Besides overall transparancy and radius of a brush, it is also possible to have these changed while drawing. For example, start with radius 0, then during the stroke it goes to 30 points and at the end goes back to 0. Similar with the opacity settings
(not to be mistaken with pressure sensitivity, since that is not available on the TF300T)
These (advanced) settings are totaly ineffective on my tablet. Only the overall settings have an effect.
First I thought it was Autodesk that didn't have the Android version up to par. But other hi-end tablets do not seem to have that problem (as can be seen on several youtube videos)
So, anyone here who has that same problem?

WOEHAA said:
One of the reasons I wanted a tablet is the ability to sketch everywhere I go.
With that in mind I purchased Sketchbook Pro, which is awesome, but ....
....I noticed something that might be typical TF300T related: some of the brush properties are not effective. And I was wondering of someone else also had that issue.
The issue at hand:
Besides overall transparancy and radius of a brush, it is also possible to have these changed while drawing. For example, start with radius 0, then during the stroke it goes to 30 points and at the end goes back to 0. Similar with the opacity settings
(not to be mistaken with pressure sensitivity, since that is not available on the TF300T)
These (advanced) settings are totaly ineffective on my tablet. Only the overall settings have an effect.
First I thought it was Autodesk that didn't have the Android version up to par. But other hi-end tablets do not seem to have that problem (as can be seen on several youtube videos)
So, anyone here who has that same problem?
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So what you are asking is if sketchbook cahnges e.g. radius automatically while drawing? I was not aware of this. Where do you find this auto settings? I'll try and see if I can get it to work
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To get to those advanced settings, do the following:
- open the menu (by clicking the donut thingy at the bottom of the screen)
- in the top menu bar, click the brush button (somewhere in the middle)
A new window opens, with the usual settings, amongst which opacity and brush radius.
- ignore these settings, but look at the slider icon, right next the bucket icon
>>> click to see brush setting menu example
The icon/button consists of three small horizontal lines
- click this button and .. voila there are the more advanced opacity and brush radius settings.
When you tinker with these settings you can see immediately what it does in the preview window (top left).
However, no matter what I do, it does not show when I am drawing.
On my mothers Ipad it works like a charm (and she also has no pressure sensitive stylus)
If you could check this for me, that would be great!

It works on the mobile version.
You have to stroke pretty fast though.

You are right!
Inverness figured to check it on my mobile, but indeed, it works on my Desire X.
Actually, the whole sketch "experience" on the mobile version is a zillion times better. For example the lines are smoother, the interface is better responsive, etc. It completely resembles what I saw on the Ipad 2 of my mother, just as it should work.
Well, I'm not expecting updates from Autodesk anytime soon. Maybe get an Ipad on the side? *bwegh*
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Just to wrap this topic up:
Since my last post I have trying to get more info about the performance issues of TF300T when using an app like sketchbook pro.
The thing is, I probably shouldn't have bought the damn thing for that purpose.
My Desire S still works like a breeze with the (paid) mobile version and has no crashes whatsoever. While on my TF300T I can't even save my work, import images into a layer and make the brushes work like they should.
It is slow, bad in tracking the stylus (tried several versions) and due to the lack of the ability to actually open saved work ...well it's non functional.
*sigh* I am now trying to find out whether this is a Tegra3 thing or an ASUS thing (trying the app on other Tegra3 devices and see how it works).
But I'm afraid I spent 400 euro's on a product that I do not want.

I am curious if Tegra 3 is a dud too. I am not sure if I need to avoid Tablets with Nvidia chipsets offer I avoid Asus tablets. The web browsing experience on the TF300 is dreadful.
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Last Saterday I went to check some things in the local electronics store.
It took me a while, since I had to setup a dummy google account and download the apps to the tablets via my phone, but it worked.
What I noticed:
The TF300T in the store showed similar issues
=> so it's not that mine is broken or something
Some other problems I was having could not be reproduced on the TF300T in the shop. So I figured I'd have to do a clean install at home to see if that helps
The Samsung TAB 2.0 is way more responsive, produces smoother lines and shows more responsiveness to the brush settings.
Note: the TAB 2.0 is a TEGRA 2
Also the overall responsiveness of the TAB was better and apps start up faster too.
I could not find another TEGRA 3 device that I could access (all screens were locked, WTF?!) so I could not install the app from the play store and try it out
=> no definite conclusion wheter TEGRA 3 is flawed or whether it is the ASUS implementation
At home I performed a factory reset and made sure only the needed apps were installed. Now I had a sketchbook pro that did not crash upo opening saved work, that could insert photo's into a layer instead of having it crash on me and the responsiveness was a little itty bitty better.
My conclusion so far:
- I was stunned to see how smoothly the "old" TEGRA 2 performed. It is actually better to use sketchbook pro on a TAB 2.0 than on a TF300T
- I'll have to try out another TEGRA3 device, but I think that the whole memory bus thing is not working out fine for the TEGRA3 devices. Upscaling CPU clock and then choking it with the memory bus .. hmmm.
Now for something noone will interest:
Seeing this seeminly minor issue, it's not only DEVs ignoring the Android market I am now worried about. The hardware boys and girls and not doing their homework either. I feel that the need for "improvement" and introducing "new devices" is so great, that what's it really about is totally ignored. I can't see a greater picture other than "them" forces expensive hardware on us.
The fact that the android market is so incredibly fragmented is not helping either: there is no concensus and noone to guard the overal quality.
If this keeps up, I see android devices being used by tweakers for fun and by ppl who use to check mail, watch video and browse the internet a bit and play games. In other words: hi-tech gadget purely made to consuming instead of creating.
It will n o w a y be what I believe tablets can be, an actual tool with which you be creative. For that you'd have to buy an Ipad (which sucks bigtime because of Itunes, etc)
The funny thing is, the phone market is almost the opposite. Yes, Apple has better looking stuff for that too. But Android is nowhere as ****ty on the phone market as it is on the tablet market. The phone hardware is becoming more and more elegant, apps are tailored for the small screens and they actually work.

Just normal Sketchbook Express (the free tablet version) works great. I drew the attached picture in it:
I didn't experience any of the aforementioned issues while working on this.
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SilentStormer said:
Just normal Sketchbook Express (the free tablet version) works great. I drew the attached picture in it:
I didn't experience any of the aforementioned issues while working on this.
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That's good to hear (really it is)
But bear in mind:
- the xpress version doesn't allow advanced brush settings
- just try it (or better .. don't) on an Ipad or another android device, you'll see the differences.

WOEHAA said:
My conclusion so far:
- I was stunned to see how smoothly the "old" TEGRA 2 performed. It is actually better to use sketchbook pro on a TAB 2.0 than on a TF300T
- I'll have to try out another TEGRA3 device, but I think that the whole memory bus thing is not working out fine for the TEGRA3 devices. Upscaling CPU clock and then choking it with the memory bus .. hmmm.
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I don't think that you can really relate these issues to the processor without considering the countless other things that could influence it. The processor isn't the only thing that is different in these two tabs, they are made by different OEM's have different touchpanels, different screens, different manufacturer skins on top of android, different versions of android, and any of those things could influence the performance, and even a combination of the aspects I mentioned above. Not to flame, just trying to point out that the Tegra 3 is one of the 2 best processors out there, with the other being the new quad core exynos proc. Im not a hardware guy, I don't know everything for sure but this is just my 2 cents.
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[Q] Prospective buyer questions

Im interested in the form factor of the 7 Plus, but I've heard there are some issues with the screen resolution and Honeycomb:
1. Gmail app does not display full email, you have to scroll sideways.
2. Kindle app has line spacing issues (is that specific to 7 Plus, or Android tablets in general?)
3. Lack of Custom ROM development since it doesn't have Tegra 2.
Are there any other issues, and would you guys recommend this in retrospect over something like GT 8.9?
Thanks for any insight.

polbit said:
Im interested in the form factor of the 7 Plus, but I've heard there are some issues with the screen resolution and Honeycomb:
1. Gmail app does not display full email, you have to scroll sideways.
2. Kindle app has line spacing issues (is that specific to 7 Plus, or Android tablets in general?)
3. Lack of Custom ROM development since it doesn't have Tegra 2.
Are there any other issues, and would you guys recommend this in retrospect over something like GT 8.9?
Thanks for any insight.
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1. I dont use the gmail app. But I just checked, and no issues for me. I use K9.
2. Dunno
3. Lack thereof, I'm sure, is not because of lack of tegra 2, but more likely because the device has only been available for a month or so. The development, in all reality, is progressing nicely considering.

polbit said:
3. Lack of Custom ROM development since it doesn't have Tegra 2.
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Nothing to do with not having Tegra2 - more to do with the fact that it's been out a far shorter time than the Tab 10.1 and 8.9, and Samsung seems to have "soft launched" it - it is not available in many of the major retailers that the 10.1 and 8.9 are.
If anything, Tegra2 is a barrier to development - kernel work is a ****ing pain in the ass when you can't flash a device from Linux. Heimdall will talk to the Tab 7 Plus but it won't talk to the 10.1 or 8.9 because the Tegra-based Samsungs and Snapdragon-based Samsungs use a slightly different protocol that hasn't been reverse engineered yet.
I do kernel work on the Galaxy S II (same CPU as the Tab 7 Plus) and have been helping garyd9 get kernel work off the ground when I have time - but it's the holiday season so I'm busy and he's busy.
It's typical for a device to take a month or two for development to take off, with the exception of highly anticipated phones that have an aggressive carrier launch and a high degree of commonality with a device that existed previously - people see how fast things took off on the SGH-I777 and forget that we were lucky to have the I9100 community to jumpstart us.

polbit said:
2. Kindle app has line spacing issues (is that specific to 7 Plus, or Android tablets in general?)
3. Lack of Custom ROM development since it doesn't have Tegra 2.
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2. we have the builtin samsung ebook reader and google's ebook reader.
3. Tegra doesn't matter. sgsII and tab+ has the same cpu (Exynos). and look at how vast sgsII's rom development is. just wait 'til people realize that the tab+ is the best tab there is. the old 7" gtab's hardware is bad news for ics. the 8.9 and 10.1 are too large. the 7.7 is overpriced and would not yet be released 'til next year. in short, the tab+ is the best tab for now. coupled with the soon ICS update, i'm pretty sure people would be buying the tab+. and sooner or later, we would be attracting lots of rom developers.

Well, I picked it up few hours ago and have been playing with it since. It definitely feels snappier than a tegra 2 tablet, but there are some rough edges with Honeycomb running on 1024x600 resolution. I really wish it had full 1280x800, that would have been the perfect tablet...
So far I noticed the gmail app - have to scroll horizontally just a bit to see the full email, the Kindle app is definitely not looking very good on it with the crazy margins, the settings menu in portrait mode cuts off menu item names, and ADW Launcher EX seems to have a big problem with it - the dock appears on the side when in Landscape mode. In addition, the calendar widget FCed on me twice now, the browser hasn't been very responsive here and there, and the screen auto brightness setting is dim compared to friend's GT 10.1.
Anyway, just my first impressions, definitely a mixed bag so far.

I'm using the ADW EX launcher and I conpletely disabled the dock. Instead I used gestures, swipe down to open drawer and swipe up to pop up notification. Worked cool except sometimes scrolling too fast in the widgets triggers the launcher.
I'm fine with settings as long as I can see icons, but maybe Sammy should turn down the dpi a little.
I did not have any problem with calender and browser, which firmware are you on?
polbit said:
Well, I picked it up few hours ago and have been playing with it since. It definitely feels snappier than a tegra 2 tablet, but there are some rough edges with Honeycomb running on 1024x600 resolution. I really wish it had full 1280x800, that would have been the perfect tablet...
So far I noticed the gmail app - have to scroll horizontally just a bit to see the full email, the Kindle app is definitely not looking very good on it with the crazy margins, the settings menu in portrait mode cuts off menu item names, and ADW Launcher EX seems to have a big problem with it - the dock appears on the side when in Landscape mode. In addition, the calendar widget FCed on me twice now, the browser hasn't been very responsive here and there, and the screen auto brightness setting is dim compared to friend's GT 10.1.
Anyway, just my first impressions, definitely a mixed bag so far.
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I'm on KL1, it popped up as an update as soon as I connected. I'm assuming that's the latest one.
The calendar widget FCed on me once more, so it's gone. I think I'm going to check out few more browsers, see if something works a little smoother (besides Opera, not a big fan...)

polbit said:
I'm on KL1, it popped up as an update as soon as I connected. I'm assuming that's the latest one.
The calendar widget FCed on me once more, so it's gone. I think I'm going to check out few more browsers, see if something works a little smoother (besides Opera, not a big fan...)
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Try get into settings-applications and clear the data of Calender?
As long the the apk itself is accurate FC should not happen on stock.

Thanks for everybody's input, unfortunately I don't think it will work out for me, the screen resolution is too limiting. I'll just have to wait for GT 7.7 I guess...

Top hardware but lots of stuttering: do we deserve better?

OK, I bought an Android Tablet. Although the iPads probably are better for the average user, that's not the case for me: I'm a developer, a tweaker. I want to root stuff, to play with widgets, customisations, and so on. That's why I feel more related to Google than to Apple.
So I went for an Android tablet. I did not want a cheap, slow, outdated one like the ones you can buy at the supermarket for no money.
I was going for quality, so I bought an Asus Infinity. The tablet with the fastest hardware you can get. Splendid HD screen. Nice hardware keyboard included. This should be a top buy!
I have the tablet for some days now, and yes, the hardware is quite good. Decent aluminium unibody, although the color is not my style and the shiny metal catches all finger prints. The 1920 x 1200 display is really outstanding. No complaints here.
But where it goes wrong is the software ...
Android ICS, with minor tweaks by Asus, looks ok. But the OS and apps don't run smooth at all...
Apps run slugish or even freeze for seconds. Even keyboard input hangs sometimes. The stock browser and the Google Chrome browser can render basic sites quite well, but more advanced stuff like animations and video is just bad.
I compared with an iPad 1 and the iPad almost always wins involving smoothness of scrolling and interacting with inline video. An iPad 1, more than 2 years old, is faster than the Android tablet with the fastest hardware available on tablets. That's just ... sad. Very disapointing.
Another problem is the fact that no sites are well tested on Android, resulting in quirks that probably are solved on iOS because every decent site developer does test on his iPhone and iPad. But not on the huge number of Android devices out there. And being a developer myself, I know by experience that each device can have its own quirks.
A good example is wrong platform detection, resulting in bad user experience at the best, lack of features, or even no content at all at worst. 'You need to install Flash to run this site' ... Ok, Android can run Flash, but its days are over, as we all know.
So, what's up next?
Shall I make use of the 'cooling down period' and return this tablet? Exchange it for an iPad3? Will Jelly Bean solve some issues? Will these problems be solved by a system update? Will future sites be rendered better when html standards are used more often and Android browsers improve?
That’s a lot of if’s, no?
Apps running slow:
-stock browser
-Chrome
-Dolphin browser: better than the above, but css3 transformations/animations still very bad compared to iOS
-Google plus: scrolling the items is really bad
-Pulse: swiping between pages of an open article is slow and stutters
-Google Earth: slow and even crashes
Apps running ok:
-gmail: smooth
-currents: rather ok, sometimes
-Plume: ok
-Google maps: smooth
I guess, the situation will improve over time. But when will that be? If ever?
Did I expect too much? Am I exaggerating?
Your thoughts please!

My thoughts are that you cannot compare ipad and Android. Everyone keeps saying how smooth is ipad but everyone seems blind to all of the things iPad cannot do and Android (especially the Infinity) does.
I will not make an extensive list but just mentioning browsing the Web, half the websites are gone with iPad: no flash support and even the supposely replacement html5 renders quite poor on iPad. Check the html5rocks slides for instance.
If you are not sensible to that, get an iPad and you will be stuck but happy. Otherwise, open up and discover what Android had to offer.
the change log for jelly bean are out.check them out, that brings quite some news and fixes.
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chevdor said:
My thoughts are that you cannot compare ipad and Android. Everyone keeps saying how smooth is ipad but everyone seems blind to all of the things iPad cannot do and Android (especially the Infinity) does.
I will not make an extensive list but just mentioning browsing the Web, half the websites are gone with iPad: no flash support and even the supposely replacement html5 renders quite poor on iPad. Check the html5rocks slides for instance.
If you are not sensible to that, get an iPad and you will be stuck but happy. Otherwise, open up and discover what Android had to offer.
the change log for jelly bean are out.check them out, that brings quite some news and fixes.
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Don't get me wrong, I am very aware of the benefits of Android. That's why I bought an Infinity ;-)
But I have a strong feeling that surfing the web is just a better experience on an iPad ... and surfing is a primary task for me and most of us.
Dolphin HD works the best, but still regular freezes of seconds. I guess this should be better with the outstanding hardware of the infinity, no?
Tnx for your response.

Gert Stalpaert said:
I guess, the situation will improve over time. But when will that be? If ever?
Did I expect too much? Am I exaggerating?
Your thoughts please!
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I know this is not the ideal answer regarding a device you just paid top dollar for but: it may have some software issues but it also has highly capable hardware. Thankfully, there will be many great developers paying attention to this device. Either via official updates or through the combined efforts of the community (or both), I expect most of the issues will be worked out. At the very least, the updates Jelly Bean brings address the lagging and stuttering on Android, and this device will most likely get it soon enough. You can rest assured knowing this is one of the best Android 10-inchers out there and with the proper support it can only get better.

I have only had android tablets up to this point.
I have had the Asus Tf101 and 201. I always found something laggy, or apps crash, etc. Even putting custom ROMS on them caused them to have unique issues based off of whatever ROM I put on it. SO I was constantly re flashing to the new ROM, hoping it fixes the issues and doesn't cause additional issues.
I spent more time flashing, than just using them. What fun is that?
So after I heard all the weird Asus Infinity issues, I canceled my Asus order. I ordered an Ipad 3. Should have it thursday of next week.
But I am using the Ipad 1 that is a work tablet, and it just works. No crashes, no weird little issues.
I am sold. I can't believe I hated the Ipads so much.
One negative to the Ipads though, that I will miss. And that are the widgets and live wallpapers. Other than that, Ill kepp my android phone, but the tab will be an Ipad.

acdcking12345 said:
I have only had android tablets up to this point.
I have had the Asus Tf101 and 201. I always found something laggy, or apps crash, etc. Even putting custom ROMS on them caused them to have unique issues based off of whatever ROM I put on it. SO I was constantly re flashing to the new ROM, hoping it fixes the issues and doesn't cause additional issues.
I spent more time flashing, than just using them. What fun is that?
So after I heard all the weird Asus Infinity issues, I canceled my Asus order. I ordered an Ipad 3. Should have it thursday of next week.
But I am using the Ipad 1 that is a work tablet, and it just works. No crashes, no weird little issues.
I am sold. I can't believe I hated the Ipads so much.
One negative to the Ipads though, that I will miss. And that are the widgets and live wallpapers. Other than that, Ill kepp my android phone, but the tab will be an Ipad.
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I had been considering getting a new iPad rather than waiting for Android to get the tablet basics right; however, the main reason why I haven't is my dislike for Apple's motto of litigation over innovation. So I will give Android tabs another chance and get the Infinity. There will definitely be another *new* iPad and this will certainly not be my last tablet. Hopefully Jelly Bean will improve the whole experience. If it gets it and I love it, then great. Otherwise, I am sure I will be able to sell it for a decent price.

I see what you mean. I figure when you can get a tab with Jelly Bean, I hope that android tabs will work better. I hope so. Android is open source and great things go on with newly developed ROMS.
I just can't handle all of the crap wrong and all of the constant issues having to be fixed. For awhile, Ill use the Ipad 3 and wait until android really kick ass. Unless the new MS Tablet is even better.

Android will never compete with UI experience in comparision to Apple unless they change the underlying system.
Apple gives all power to the UI first which results in a smooth experience. But that will also cost power for background tasks. So while you can smoothly scroll your pages in a PDF suddenly it takes ages to load a page, I have seen it.
Android is balanced. So you might see stuttering while scrolling through PDF's but pages will load a lot faster.
That as an example.
It is up to you what system you prefer.
There is a detailed blog post by some google dev somewhere, couldn't find it, sorry.

Jelly bean will definetly smooth out anything having to do with touch response such as scrolling and pinch zooming. That is if it does what its supposed too.
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My suggestion is to go try out a Nexus 7 and see how smooth it is. The Infinity will be very similar to that once it's updated to Jelly Bean.

KilerG said:
My suggestion is to go try out a Nexus 7 and see how smooth it is. The Infinity will be very similar to that once it's updated to Jelly Bean.
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This is only our wishful thinking, not a fact yet.
I don't see iPad outperforming Infinity in real life performance however, apart from lags when copying large amounts of data (I can't seem to notice iPad 2 being better for browsing, tried it with iPad 2 today - and remember that on the Infinity it is 1920x1200; iPad 3 with a somewhat better resolution has been reported to become burning hot btw).

What bothers me is not the issues with Android, but the shortcuts and crappy manufacturing that seems to plague the category. Asus, for example, comes out with innovative stuff but seems to chronically release devices before they're ready. Samsung came out with a solid, if uninspiring, 10 inch tablet last year, but the new one has been getting reviews that say it's inferior to the previous model. The Nexus 7 is finally rolling out, but with reports of sloppy build -- Asus strikes again? The Acer has decent specs on paper but doesn't make the target in terms of real-life operation.
I hate Apple with a fire deep in my belly. But, most of the time (iPhone 4 antenna excepted), when they release a mobile product, it's ready to roll -- functionally and aesthetically. Much higher initially quality than the Android products I've had or shopped.
Seriously, how fooking hard can it be to put together a decent feature set and build it properly?

I see your point. There have been numerous bugs in every single iPhone version however. My friend who was apple-lover has returned 80% of their devices in the recent years - from iPad 2, through MacBook Air to LCD.
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It lags due to the weak Tegra 3 GPU not able to run at full 60fps for the 1920x1200p.
Heck it even lags on 1280x800 sometimes. Even with Jelly Bean, it will still have hiccups due to the GPU limitation.

MrPhilo said:
It lags due to the weak Tegra 3 GPU not able to run at full 60fps for the 1920x1200p.
Heck it even lags on 1280x800 sometimes. Even with Jelly Bean, it will still have hiccups due to the GPU limitation.
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You say this, yet the Tegra 3 used in the Nexus 7 isn't as good as the one in the Infinity. The GPU is plenty capable, as it's buttery smooth in Jelly Bean. There is no GPU limitation, it's software at the moment.

So here is my quick background.
I have been a huge fan of tablet. I started out with Windows based tablet back when it was Windows XP that was like 7-8 years ago. Then I moved onto very first android tablet Xoom. Switched to Samsung Galaxy 10.1. Due to specific application only available on Ipad, I had to go with Ipad so I bought iPad 2 and sold Galaxy 10.1, which I still have. I then got Galaxy 10.1 4G Verizon back, which I sold in anticipation of Transformer infinity..
So with that, here is my take on iOS vs. Android.
"Really depends on what you do."
Stability/Fluidity: iOS
It is indeed the fact iPad runs smoother. Though there are some test showed higher stability rate of Android over the iOS, my personal experience goes along with crowd i.e. iOS is more stable. BUT I have not tried ICS (nor New iPad).
Also there is another catch here. iPad is not fail safe. It does still crush and if it crush, it crushes constantly i.e. simply cannot open the file or perform the action.
Multitasking: Android
As someone else suggested earlier in this forum, this is probably due to difference in the underlying focus/design motto between iOS and Android. iOS DOES NOT do real multitasking. I know some say it does, but it's not true for at least the current iOS version and with my iPad 2.
It basically freezes/hibernate the background application. I tried to download files in background several times, or have some application load files into, which usually takes several minutes as it tries to decompress or do whatever it needs to. So after launching these tasks, I go surf web with different browser or application. I go back there is nearly zero progression. There may be minimal multitasking as I have seen progression of downloading file for like 1MB after 10 minutes but this happened more like within the initial few minutes or seconds and since then it had to be frozen in background because I did check this after 2 minutes and still the progression were the same.
Alternatively, needless to say but Android allows you to download files in background but sounds like transformer line suffers from hanging when this happens. I never used torrent on tablet but I remember downloading some files like 100MB+ on web in background while I was using some other application, which usually worked no problem but my foreground application was not demanding.
Applications: Mixed
This is where it really comes down to what you want. Many says Apple store is better, which I agree with games. So if games are your priority, I go with iPAD. It may change in the future, but by the time it changes basically you can buy newer better tablet anyways. So for now for games, go with iPad. But personally, if truly want to play games, I'd rather by portable gaming system like 3DS or PS Vita... But that's just me. Apple store certainly have more selections, and better optimized for iPad. However, many of iPad applications are not free and no real trial. So you have to sort of buy and see.
Whereas, android has tons of applications that are free with ad. This may be one reason why app developers are not making much money on Android market hence avoiding or deprioritizing... who knows. But some applications are simply better on Android. For instance, I use Anki which is perhaps the best cross platform flashcard application. If you want to have the real version of Anki on iPad it costs $20+. You can sort of do a work around with cheaper $5 application but you won't get autosynch of decks, no statistics transfer etc. Whereas on Android.... It's FREE and does autosynch. Other application is ebook reader like epub and pdf. When comparing iPad applications to the Android at least iPad 2 vs. Galaxy 10.1, large files like 300+MB epubs opened much quicker on Galaxy 10.1. Not sure if this is due to pure CPU advantage vs. application difference.
Notifications: Android
Sort of fits into the multitasking but iOS notification is less invasive (using good term), less evident (more of cons for me). When I get new email, Android nicely shows pop up on the corner. In IOS, I generally have no clue until I close my application and check my email. Though notification works with iMessage so may be its just Apple deciding who gets what access to the notification.
File Transfer/Management: Android
Huge downside of Apple. In last 6 months or so, they have added wifi file transfer/synching but this happens only when you have your iPad plugged into outlet.
Individual applications may decide to offer wifi file transfer, but generally slow and its individual application based.
Files are local to each application so very easy to have duplicated files consuming your hard drive space. For instance, if you have a book in iBook, opening it in other EPUB reader you simply have to make a duplicate copy within the other application.
Android is basically simply drag and drop and generally most files can be open from any application anywhere though some does make its own local copy. As far as transfer, AirDroid is such an awesome application.
Jellybean:
The theme of this is amazing. The functionality is not ground breaking but Google finally decides to put emphasis on the UI fluidity. So if it achieves what its intended, I think overall Android simply becomes better ecosystem as it already offers more functionality and flexibility but the major drawback/downside was the UI fluidity. Though as far as application stability, I am not sure if Jellybean is answering that part as I never read anywhere specifically stating such. In any event, ASUS generally so fast in pushing the latest version of Android, I would personally wait until Jelly bean comes out and see if it truly solves the issues. Its definitely a possibility but no gurantee so buying something based on the speculation may not be an optimum unless you got tons of money to spare.
Nexus 7:
Just like Jellybean. This is simple speculation, and probably we should not buy a system based on "what will likely to happen" because there is no guarantee. But I am speculating/hoping when Nexus 7 sells well, which probably does. Developers will have much better support on tablets. Even though Nexus 7 is 7 inch tablet, its resolution is compatible to non-high def android tablet i.e. in theory all the nexus 7 optimized applications will look native on the non-high def android tablet though button layouts may be slightly suboptimal. This is definitely much better than scaling phone app onto the tablet resolution.

I also 'hope' that ASUS gets their act together and resolves the IO issue and lag, or that JB really does the trick. But care should be taken I'm afraid: I'm sure there were many Transformer Primer users who went ahead and purchased 'hoping' the GPS issue was software resolvable; they weren't, it was terminal, and GPS was removed form the official specs. ASUS has a track record.
Lets face it, the camera click issue on 'press to focus' is a hardware design fault (they have not insulated the microphone/s from the focus mechanism). Hard to see how that will ever be solved. It is not an issue that will bother many but what is significant is that it is a sloppy, muppet mistake like the GPS issues on the Transformer Primer that could have been easily avoided - a mistake that camera manufacturers like Casio were making 10 years ago on early digital cameras (I know, I had one). That's just not good enough ASUS.

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I also 'hope' that ASUS gets their act together and resolves the IO issue and lag, or that JB really does the trick. But care should be taken I'm afraid: I'm sure there were many Transformer Primer users who went ahead and purchased 'hoping' the GPS issue was software resolvable; they weren't, it was terminal, and GPS was removed form the official specs. ASUS has a track record.
Lets face it, the camera click issue on 'press to focus' is a hardware design fault (they have not insulated the microphone/s from the focus mechanism). Hard to see how that will ever be solved. It is not an issue that will bother many but what is significant is that it is a sloppy, muppet mistake like the GPS issues on the Transformer Primer that could have been easily avoided - a mistake that camera manufacturers like Casio were making 10 years ago on early digital cameras (I know, I had one). That's just not good enough ASUS.
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Good job copying and pasting from your other thread.
The I/O issue isn't hardware related from what I can tell. It really just seems like something that just needs to be resolved in the kernel.

robhorsefield said:
I also 'hope' that ASUS gets their act together and resolves the IO issue and lag, or that JB really does the trick. But care should be taken I'm afraid: I'm sure there were many Transformer Primer users who went ahead and purchased 'hoping' the GPS issue was software resolvable; they weren't, it was terminal, and GPS was removed form the official specs. ASUS has a track record.
Lets face it, the camera click issue on 'press to focus' is a hardware design fault (they have not insulated the microphone/s from the focus mechanism). Hard to see how that will ever be solved. It is not an issue that will bother many but what is significant is that it is a sloppy, muppet mistake like the GPS issues on the Transformer Primer that could have been easily avoided - a mistake that camera manufacturers like Casio were making 10 years ago on early digital cameras (I know, I had one). That's just not good enough ASUS.
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ASUS has problems with attention to detail. Failing to notice these issues is completely indicative of poor engineering and lacking quality control. Users have been identifying problems right away. I can deal with minor software discrepancies; those can eventually be solved. However, basic hardware problems like these are alarming. On their own they might seem minor, but compounded (camera, I/O, screen ripples, SD card support, ...) I wonder if ASUS just took a bunch of hardware components, fit them together like a puzzle, and then sat on it for months without testing waiting for release. This device is coming half a year after it was announced. These issues could have been corrected.

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Good job copying and pasting from your other thread.
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It wasn't exactly the same. ...same poor design and manufacture problems, so same opinions and comments apply, sorry, fact.
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ASUS has problems with attention to detail. Failing to notice these issues is completely indicative of poor engineering and lacking quality control. Users have been identifying problems right away. I can deal with minor software discrepancies; those can eventually be solved. However, basic hardware problems like these are alarming. On their own they might seem minor, but compounded (camera, I/O, screen ripples, SD card support, ...)
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Bang on the point, thanks. And compounded also with the Prime GPS debacle.
I doubt Apple will let another Antenna-gate slip out, we'll see.

Asus transformer Infinity or Samsung galaxy note 10.1

which tablet is better the Asus transformer Infinity or Samsung galaxy note 10.1
please tell us what do you think and why?
This is what I think:
for the Asus transformer Infinity:
* it has a a good super IPS+ 1920x1200 Pixels (which I Love) its great for watching full HD movies, web browsing, viewing photos, some apps like Photoshop and document editing. but it comes with some light bleeds and dynamic contrast (which I don't Like).
* it has the Nvidia Tegra 3 (1.6GHz Quad-core 1.6 GHz Cortex-A9) with battery saving core. with 3D output via Micro HDMI and physics. and games look the best on it. Most tablets have the same Processor type even the Gloogle Nexus which means better support for android in the future.
* it has a nice keyboard dock with extra battery, USB host and SD card reader.
* it can run NTFS file format out of the box without any rooting or hacking.
* base model is $499 with 32G and 1G of DDR3 Ram.
For the SAMSUNG Galaxy Note 10.1:
* it has a great PLS TFT display (i likey), but with a 1280x800 Pixels (Me no likey)
* It comes with the S Pen (active digitizer), which makes it great for work, drawing and students.
* Base model (wifi only)is $735 with 16G and 2G of ram.
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so what do you think which one you would go for and why?

I'm a student and the keyboard on the infinity comes in handy a lot especially when I open my etextbooks and use the find function on certain keywords that I need to know. So I would pick the infinity.
Also I believe the wifi 16gb is 499.99 and the 32 gb is 549.99 for the note according to the rumors
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the screen of the infinity is simply amazing! the resolution is awesome and in normal usage (movies, apps, games, etc.) there is no such thing as light bleeds noticeable (even if you are searching for them)
the s-pen from the galaxy note 10.1 is not that great. I have a samsung galaxy note (phablet) and use the pen not really often. i'm also a little bit dissapointed because the pen isn't that accurate as i thought. I have the infiity and bought a cheap pen for it. that is at least the same in accuracy, i think even better. the advantage of the s-pen would be the additional button for special functions. but i noticed that it's not really a must have. I use the pen button not really often. on the note (phablet) you have to use it because otherwhise you are not able to use the back or menue button (no onscreen buttons).
I would definitly go with the infinity
I hope this helped

Perhaps this is indeed the most closest competition Infinity has on the market right now/soon.
Why NOT galaxy note 10.1.
1. Screen - In all honesty, if this unit had HD screen I might have actually considered this over the Infinity. But no HD screen is a deal breaker.
2. Price - If its really that expensive, the price will likely to either go down quickly or you will see newer better device with cheaper price tag and regret how much you paid.
3. Samsung - Horrible update. With fancy split screen, this will even get worse. One may think 4.1 Jellybean is just a minor update so good chance Samsung may push sooner than it was on ICS BUT what about next Android OS? You have to either wait almost full year or may not even be supported who knows. Whereas, ASUS have the best tracking record on this regard and now with Nexus 7, they will keep having newer android OS. As long as Nexus 7 can be updated, I am sure Transformer prime, infinity and TF300 can.
Good things about 10.1 but reason why NOT still deal breaker
1. The multiscreen function is great; however, it is not free for all. Only handful of application are supported. As someone else previously posted, there is already application that allows you to watch video while you doing other things. Though I like the idea of able to browse while do something else like read ebook. But I don't think this is even possible on the galaxy note either as ebook reader is not one of those split screen supported app.
2. S-pen. I owned couple Windows based tablet with Wacom digitizers. They were great BUT still nothing is same as pen and paper. Perhaps galaxy note 10.1 may be the one, but I highly doubt. Plus nowaday, typing is much faster than writing for most of us.
3. 2GB RAM. Impressive decision here. However, as pretty much all Android devices at this point are 1GB and nothing really pushing to its limit yet, the chance we see anything different by having 2GB is low except you may be able to do more multitasks than usual but that will drain battery.
Truly better on Galaxy note 10.1
1. Battery Life. Simply Infinity's battery life is problem. So galaxy note 10.1 tramps it.
2. GPU. Though CPU is compatible between 2, GPU benchmark on the Galaxy note 10.1 is superior to that of Infinity by a quite margin. However, I am not certain if we will see anything specific to really utilize this power. My belief is developers will focus on the most common spec, which for tablet likely be the nexus 7. If so, Infinity will certainly not have issue. However, having said this, who knows my huge PDF may open much quicker and smoother on the Galaxy Note.

HoushaSen said:
1. The multiscreen function is great; however, it is not free for all. Only handful of application are supported. As someone else previously posted, there is already application that allows you to watch video while you doing other things. Though I like the idea of able to browse while do something else like read ebook. But I don't think this is even possible on the galaxy note either as ebook reader is not one of those split screen supported app.
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Actually, there is a great "windowed" browser available too - it's called "OverSkreen" - highly recommend it! The same developer also makes a floating calculator, video player (as you already mentioned), terminal emulator and one or two more. There is also a note-taking app (very basic) that is "windowed" - it's called Hovernote. Definitely check out Overskreen though!
HoushaSen said:
2. S-pen. I owned couple Windows based tablet with Wacom digitizers. They were great BUT still nothing is same as pen and paper. Perhaps galaxy note 10.1 may be the one, but I highly doubt. Plus nowaday, typing is much faster than writing for most of us.
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One more thing about typed-in notes - they are completely searchable! Try searching your handwritten notes!
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jtrosky said:
Actually, there is a great "windowed" browser available too - it's called "OverSkreen" - highly recommend it! The same developer also makes a floating calculator, video player (as you already mentioned), terminal emulator and one or two more. There is also a note-taking app (very basic) that is "windowed" - it's called Hovernote. Definitely check out Overskreen though!
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Holy smoke. This (Overskreen) is amazing. Not even requiring to root and be able to use such application. Wow. With this I don't have any restriction, basically I can browse and do anything else I want. This even supports Flash. Obviously, one Galaxy Note 10.1 user can use this as well.
Thanks a lot.

Woah that overskreen is just amazing on infinity! Thanks a lot it takes this resolution and tablet to whole neww level
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Price of Note for wifi model is $500 for 32gb, http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/851200-REG/Samsung_GT_N8013EAYXAR_16GB_Galaxy_Tab_2.html

jtrosky said:
Actually, there is a great "windowed" browser available too - it's called "OverSkreen" - highly recommend it! The same developer also makes a floating calculator, video player (as you already mentioned), terminal emulator and one or two more. There is also a note-taking app (very basic) that is "windowed" - it's called Hovernote. Definitely check out Overskreen though!
One more thing about typed-in notes - they are completely searchable! Try searching your handwritten notes!
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dont forget Lilypad, the floating facebook/msn/gtalk IM client.
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One's you start having a 1920x1200 resolution you will not want anything lower than that. So for 1280x720 resolution on the note, no thanks.

mywingtophone said:
One's you start having a 1920x1200 resolution you will not want anything lower than that. So for 1280x720 resolution on the note, no thanks.
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Build quality on devices made by Sammy is always suspect.....I'm really big on aesthetics the infinity pad is a beautiful device!
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The only tablet that has the lowest build quality issues are the ipads everyone else is a hit or miss.

jtrosky said:
Actually, there is a great "windowed" browser available too - it's called "OverSkreen" - highly recommend it! The same developer also makes a floating calculator, video player (as you already mentioned), terminal emulator and one or two more. There is also a note-taking app (very basic) that is "windowed" - it's called Hovernote. Definitely check out Overskreen though!
One more thing about typed-in notes - they are completely searchable! Try searching your handwritten notes!
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I am using an app called "Floating Note free". It works great

lesonal said:
Build quality on devices made by Sammy is always suspect.....I'm really big on aesthetics the infinity pad is a beautiful device!
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i'd have to disagree. samsung has less defects and problems than asus on tablets according to forum posts and my experience. i went through 4 og transformers before i gave up. i almost got a prime until i saw all the issues still going on with asus tablets. and of course some of the same issues are still here for their latest flagship tablet (bleed, dock draining spontaneously...). the one i have has developed both bleed and the clicking (both of which developed on all my OG tf after 3 days). since i don't see the bleed unless i'm in a dark room with full brightness (something i never do in actual use) it's not really an issue. plus at full brightness in daylight it's not noticeable either. the click is a bit annoying though. in my transfomers the click was because the screen was separating.
samsung's support for the hardware is piss poor however. and sammy's aren't as popular as the tf's dev support isn't as active also.

timrock said:
dont forget Lilypad, the floating facebook/msn/gtalk IM client.
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couldnt find it...seems like they removed it from playstore maybe?

I had actually considered waiting for this tablet, but based on all the feedback I read about how they never update their stuff, and we are already scheduled for JB, I went with the Asus.
I am still curious though, so I posted here....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1831115
Have a look.

i think i may go with the note because im a engineering student. i just need a tablet that can take notes (lots of formulas and graphs) and do web browsing. however i do have a lot of text books in pdf so the FHD will be nice.
externally - the infinity wins but its not like the note is butt ugly
internally - the note wins, benchmarks proves it and it comes with 2 gigs of ram. does the android need it? who cares, the more the better.
build quality - note: general consensus says samsung is the best out of the androids tablets and no one has complained about the build of the note. the infinity does have a few, but so far they havent manifested into sometime you really need to worry about. some people have gotten a perfect infinity though.
FHD - well for me as long as i dont expose myself too much to that high of a resolution i wont really notice 1200*800. Did anyone complain about the prime's resolution when it came out (at the moment more ppi than the ipad 2)? people just got spoiled, but it would be nice (ive seen the differences and it looks great). the note uses pls screen (samsungs version of ips) which isnt too bad and has nice coloring.
i/o - doesn't exists in samsungs world. i know the .26 fixed it for the most part (funny, i notice that after that update the infinity forum got a little less active)
updates - asus wins hands down but from all the reviews on the note its working perfectly fine out of the box. its not like jellybean is going to make it 3 times faster, the note is already fast on ics. keep in mind samsung makes the cpu and the tablet which may explain why their tablet are so much more fluid. alot of people are betting on jellybean to fix the io problem on the infinity but its not for sure.
speakers - the note has two speakers that is on the front pointed towards you.
keyboard - depends on the person, i will mainly need a tablet to write on and if i were to ever need a keyboard i can always use a bluetooth keyboard.
bluetooth - some people are having issues on their infinity with audio sync. the note doesnt have that and has aptx, an audio codec that improves the quality of the sound it is streaming (youll need an aptx compliant receiver though).
ir - the ir on the note is convenient for my time off being lazy on the couch web browsing while watching tv.
spen - some have complained about their experience on the orginal note but reviews has said samsung has improved it on the note 10.1. ive played with the orginal note and didnt have anything to complain about on the writing experience. at the moment no additional accessories can mimic an active digitizer (the cregle pen for ipad does look promising though)
gaming - even though the note has a better gpu, nvidia seems to have a lot of developers by the balls. hence, the tegra 3 gaming apps so the infinity may have a better gaming longevity if you want to get the fullest out of some games.
developers - asus diffidently has the most support from the community. although one main developer of CyanogenMod has given up on the infinity
as it stands (my opinion),
infinity: beautiful and expensive ereader and if you're a man that gambles, youll appreciate it more if you get a good one. gaming is better on it but there has been complaints about freezes (may be due to io) so thats kind of counterintuitive. betting that jb will fix io is too much for me.
but if the fhd and aluminum frame is really that important and you can overlook the possible issues of the infinity, get the infinity. hopefully all the complaints on the infinity are just from a select few and you will be bless with a perfect one.
note 10.1: a replacement for paper and pen and peace-and-mind it will work perfectly out of the box. in the end the only downside i see on note is not having a full hd but that shouldn't really matter. at the moment fhd is diffidently a luxury feature, on an already luxury item. if you are going to be doing a lot of writing and just want it to work right out of the box and not really deal with custom roms, get the note. if you want peace and mind on quality build and io, get the note.
right now im at 60 on the note, 40 on the infinity. but in the end it will really depend on the price. the early releases of the note are pretty expensive but that's usually how it is until the official release of the product has been revealed. theres no real official word from samsung saying that there will be a wifi only version and whether how much any of the models will cost. the price will determine which one i buy forsure.

Nobody seems to mention that Samsung Note also has calling feature, u can make calls from Note directly.
and Infinity has micro HDMI port. which samsung doesn't but u can use the MHL feature

Mike_23 said:
Nobody seems to mention that Samsung Note also has calling feature, u can make calls from Note directly.
and Infinity has micro HDMI port. which samsung doesn't but u can use the MHL feature
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you can make calls from pretty much any tablet. All you need is a google voice number and/or GrooveIP.
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@denniegst
You try to convince yourself that the GNote 10.1 is better than the TF700, Denniegst.
I show you.
"i think i may go with the note because im a engineering student. i just need a tablet that can take notes (lots of formulas and graphs) and do web browsing. however i do have a lot of text books in pdf so the FHD will be nice."
I am an engineering student too, if I need to calculate / take notes with formulas / graphs, paper and pencil is much better for those rough copy. I don't need to buy GNote 10.1 for 500$ to make rough copy. But when I travel, or when I am somewhere else, I need something to write my report, with a physical keyboard and more battery (TF700).
Moreover, I am a student and I like watching movies / TV series, Full HD is much better. With a mini Boombox that's awesome ! The Full HD is also very good to do web browsing, I don't want to go back to something less then HD !! :silly:
I really suggest you to take TF700... I know S-Pen seems funny, but you would only use it for Draw Something App, and maybe to have fun with your friends on S-Note.
About hardware, TF700 is very strong, for some years (even with Full HD games + PS3 gamepad).
"externally, internally, and build quality..."
Subjectives views. As you wish. Benchmarks are meaningless, you can't compare Full HD with non-HD tablet. But both GNote & TF700 are
"FHD - well for me as long as i dont expose myself too much to that high of a resolution i wont really notice 1200*800. The note uses pls screen (samsungs version of ips) which isnt too bad and has nice coloring."
I won't go back to 1200*800 or HD now. Full HD is the best, for multimedia or even for web browsing, or games, or ... everything. :good:
"i/o and updates"
TF700 has no problem here. I don't know about GNote. But as you said, ASUS wins.
About updates, you can't say that Jelly Bean isn't going to make it 3 times faster, that's not the point. That's about fixing issues. And if you were @2.3.6 for example, you know that you would like to be @4.0. If you were @4.0, you would like to play with 4.1 or more.
"speakers and keyboard"
Both things called "accessories". But, TF700 has more than an accessories because his keyboard is perfectly suitable for it, with a battery. For example, I'm going to have 7 hours plane, that will be a good help.
Speakers are tablet speakers... if you really do care about this, I suggest mini BoomBox, or Jambox ($$$).
About the battery, we can't believe Samsung or ASUS numbers, the community reports are good. I don't know them, but TF700 has a good thing : NVidia 4+1 processors. When you put "Battery Saving" mode, there is only 1 processor on, you can watch 1080p movies anyway, and the battery is going on for long.
"spen"
I have a bad opinion on this, because I think that's more a gadget. I am engineering student too, and S-Pen won't help us, but it would slow down our note taking. You can have fun with Draw Something App anyway...
"gaming and developers"
As you said, NVidia seems to have a lot of developers by the balls. But I would like to talk about Full HD Gaming, it really works very good ! That's the future...
And you know that ASUS has a good community.
"a replacement for paper and pen and peace-and-mind it will work perfectly out of the box"
Of course not ! It can't replace paper and pen !! You'll see... Try to work in groups for example (engineer stuff), with a GNote... Try to write equations and talk about it with colleagues with GNote... Try to do some maths with your GNote... I can assure you that a paper + pencil is irreplaceable.
"At the moment fhd is diffidently a luxury feature, on an already luxury item. if you are going to be doing a lot of writing and just want it to work right out of the box and not really deal with custom roms, get the note. if you want peace and mind on quality build and io, get the note."
Full HD in not a luxury feature ! :laugh:
That's the future ! That's much easier to work on Full HD, that's much better for movies, that's much better for everything.
About "peace and mind on quality build and io", you can't know that. You will see after weeks, but ASUS is good too, in my opinion. You just try to convince yourself I think.
I think that you will buy the GNote. But I really would like to talk with you few weeks later, then few months later. We will see.
@Mike_23
"Nobody seems to mention that Samsung Note also has calling feature, u can make calls from Note directly.
and Infinity has micro HDMI port. which samsung doesn't but u can use the MHL feature "
Do you mean that you can put a SIM Card with 30$/month ?
You already have a phone. And there are application to put use your phone with your tablet if you need it. Or Viber, or Skype, ...
ASUS TF700 has everything we need for some years (HDMI, Wifi Direct, Full HD, Keyboard + battery, strong hardware, USB which support external hard drive, µSD and SD (in the keyboard), touchpad (or mouse with USB port), ..). S-Pen could be there, but it's not very important for me... I already have a capacitive pencil, and I never use it !

Happy Birthday TF700!

The forum overview page says: "Released 2012-07-01".
So the TF700 has now been on the market for one year, and there are still not many tablets out there that could replace it for me.
I still like the screen most - 1920*1200 and up to 700 cd/m² are great - AFAIK there is still no tablet with a brighter screen. I also think that even higher resolutions are much less important than the jump from 1280 to 1920 was.
I also like the flexibility with the keyboard dock - enhanced battery life, a usable keyboard, and the USB port.
Which distinctive feature of the TF700 do you like most?

I love the fact that I can switch from tablet mode to notebook mode depending upon usage.
I've never kept a device this long so it is testiment to how good a device it is. Eventually I'd love to turn it into a pure Linux box when I finally do upgrade.
Happy Birthday TF700!

I always come back to this tablet. I just formatted it today to start with a fresh Data2SD setup. I really wish Asus would have put better NAND flash with good random read/write in this tablet.

For he's a jolly good fellow, for he's...
Oh... ehum <clears throat>
The screen is brilliant, I love the battery-powered dock. Haedly ever used it in tablet mode -- it's just a laptop for me, albeit with unsurpassed battery life.
Cons are the incredibly bad decision making towards NAND, and the docking feet that broke off during normal use (or even lack thereof, since I pretty much exclusively used it while being docked).
Hope it goes for another year!

I'm not singing...
It's held up pretty well in the market, even considering it's hardly for sale anymore. There have been a few more tab/dock combinations, but none match up to the tf700.
Mine's still cheerfully helpong me survive my day to day commute.
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I do love this tablet a lot! I waited for months for the release, got it, and it hasn't let me down yet!

Not to forget the decidedly premium feel the metal make has in your hands... Manufacturing issues aside, it's a really nice tablet to hold and take out
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Well ever since i bought this tablet, been using it as my laptop replacement, it's portable, light, really really good battery life (probably the best in the market) and very nice 1920x1080 screen. It's been my travel companion wherever i go, vacation, work trip, etc (i did say goodbye to my old dell).
Happy Birthday TF700 !

Happy birthday TF700T ! As many of you told before, that tab still does not have found its successor with all its advantages. My only regret is the poor performance for the price but in august my 1-year warranty will be gone and i will unlock it and install cromi-x nd that will be a good start for its second year.
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I am using this tablet completely stock, locked and still feel very happy about it. Here are a few good things I really like about this tablet:
1. Keyboard dock: versatile and useful, not going to state the obvious.
2. Full HD Screen: I like to read books, manga and watch movies, so the full HD screen is just the right choice. I personally think that 2560x1600 resolution on the new Infinity is overkill, I can hardly tell the difference between the tf700 and the Retina iPad, but obviously other people can appreciate the differences.
3. MTP + exFAT support: To me, without MTP and support for exFAT file system, my tf700 would be useless for watching movies, since most movies I have are well over 4 GB limit. I used to hate MTP a lot (since it could be slow and unreliable), but I changed my opinion because it allows Windows to see Android devices' internal storage formatted as ext4 (which support files larger than 4 GB). It sucks for people who use Mac OS though.
4. Camera: well, what can I say, the best camera is the one you have with you. The camera on my Sensation is just terrible.
I should mention the things I don't like as well:
1. ASUS stock firmware: I used to think that the slow internal storage + Tegra 3 + full HD screen was the only reason for the poor performance of this tablet, but I have come to realise that ASUS' lack of ability to write decent software is also to blame. My roommate recently bought an ASUS Padfone Infinity set (Snapdragon 600, full HD screen, 2 GB RAM, etc...top of the line specs) and it still lags terribly. How ASUS made a Snapdragon 600 stutter is really beyond me. We can use custom ROMs + kernels to fix most of the problems, but there are tons of devices out there from Samsung, HTC that work right out of the box.
2. Tegra 3: poor app compatibility. It may be purely coincidental, but I have never had problem with incompatible apps with Snapdragon chipsets before, only Tegra 3-based devices that have this problem.
Yup, it was a long year, but the tf700 is still a one-of-a-kind device, and with all that being said, I still commend ASUS for being the most innovative Android manufacturer in my book.

huy_lonewolf said:
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2. Tegra 3: poor app compatibility. It may be purely coincidental, but I have never had problem with incompatible apps with Snapdragon chipsets before, only Tegra 3-based devices that have this problem.
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Good luck getting any THD game to run or even install on a snapdragon without modifications...
That's exactly it: Snapdragon is the most used CPU, and as such all apps are optimized for it. Tegra is a specific-segment device; the common cattle doesn't even look at specs.

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The forum overview page says: "Released 2012-07-01".
So the TF700 has now been on the market for one year, and there are still not many tablets out there that could replace it for me.
I still like the screen most - 1920*1200 and up to 700 cd/m² are great - AFAIK there is still no tablet with a brighter screen. I also think that even higher resolutions are much less important than the jump from 1280 to 1920 was.
I also like the flexibility with the keyboard dock - enhanced battery life, a usable keyboard, and the USB port.
Which distinctive feature of the TF700 do you like most?
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I echo the sentiments in this discussion thread. The display is excellent- and somehow I don't think a 1,000 dpi screen is needed in the market place.
The versatility when using the Asus keyboard- whether using a USB mouse, Bluetooth speaker, Ethernet connector, add-on SD Card, etc. is superb. Long battery life when using the keyboard- as well as overall fast charging are also strengths. What I like the most is having the versatility of a netbook for writing- while having the social media, browsing and news capabilities of Android. The device is as comfortable on a desk, using a mouse/keyboard- as on my lap.
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF700T using Tapatalk HD

Tesco Hudl 2 tablet.

Ok, so i'm tempted to buy one of these as I have a bunch of vouchers which means i can buy it for £25 instead of £129.
I'm a little concerned about the lack of love of the original Hudl device in terms of custom roms and general hacking , and i kinda understand it since its a UK device. so i'm unsure to go for it because of this. Its an Intel Atom cpu so i would love it if it was able to be installed with windows 8.1/10 eventually.
Anyone else seen the device and have any thoughts on it?
http://www.tesco.com/direct/hudl2-8-wi-fi-tablet/454-7907.prd?pageLevel=&skuId=397-7926
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/tablets/391081/hands-on-tesco-hudl2-review

Looks like I've found the right place for my review
I tried posting this in a comment box on Engadget. Suffice to say, it did not fit! I thought there might be a modding forum for the hudl1 over here on xda but to my surprise there is not :-O slightly concerning. I don't understand why it being a British device would be an issue, we make great stuff!
Anyway here goes..
Had a good shot on the hudl2 today. Going in teaco today was like the opening scenes of the Lego movie. Hudl propaganda everywhere. Point of sale cardboards you expect. But I have to admit impressed with the kiosk they've set up. The branding is simple, and hey had all colours of hudl on display, it definitely lures you in. On top of tat, giving the big brother Lego-movir feel, all of the television displays are showing a hudl2 promo vids on loop. 'Were really pleased to announce...' Etc..
The demo units run in obviously a demo mode. Pristine, I think I might have been their first prodder. All the tabs were heleved in landscape view and the first Hong you notice therefore is how wide they look. If you've seen the nexus7, these seem like pretty much the same ratio. The demo mode has a display encouraging you to 'try it', which if you tap, takes you to the android home screen. Naturally it is maiden with blinkbox icons. The home screen to the left features tescos feed. Things like shopping offers, how to get started on blibkbox etc. You can hide then (they appear as cards), but they come back soon enough. The home screen one to the right of the main, is more blink box a centric with more direct links to movies and music etc.
You can choose to ditch blinkbox icons if you wish but long and short, you're not getting rid of these left and right home screens anytime soon. I had a good look through the options and settings, and nowhere did I see the option to remove ho.eacreens.
Neither was I able to enable developer option s, something to note.
Going into settings, apps, I attempted to close/stop any references to Tesco processes running to see if it was possible to 'de-teaco' the homeacreens. And sure, I was able to stop them. But returning to the home screen starts them again and back they appear, as if they never went away.
The homeacreen to.the left incurs the highest lag in all my experience using the tablet. As you scroll left, the background blurs, which is a nice aesthetic touch but I would hedge my bets that is what's causing the lag. As another person has reported, touching the app drawer brings up the app icons very promptly, with only a slight *very very slight* * delay. To the otaku, this will annoy them possibly, but to.most casual users who don't race around phones/tabs as they likely so on desktop PC's, this won't be a problem at all.
Similarly, launching apps was prompt, about th same as the initial 'pressing on app drawer' button.
It feels very much like a smartphone, with a. Bigger screen, which is what most ppl expect.
The screen. The screen is absolutely stand-out feature on this tab. The colours, to my taster are desaturated enough to look natural, I would estimate skin tones in videos would look very nice on this. Photos look absolutely lovely, and using the tab to tweak them with Google Photos was easy, fun and satisfying.
Play store..
Internet wasslow connection in this particular tescos but at least they're connected! A welcome change to a lot of stores/demos. Indeed, these tabs were 'box-fresh' I downloaded Flipboard, which flipped through lagfree, although I can't say 100% for sure about hr speed because the connection was so slow that images weren't displaying yet.
I downloaded flickr, a nice appfor viewing photos on nice screens and it looked wonderful with next to no.lag (aside the net connection ).
Feel in the hand. These things are naturally powered up and connected via mai s as well as a central stem from beneath the desk holding them up. So I wasn't able to feel how theysit in the hand vertically. But I was able to.hold it horizontally and that was indeed very comfy, the rubbery soft touch back is very nice and trippy too.
No accessories were available yet.
I can't comment on the sound, but the screen is just lovely. Again, to echo others, the viewing angles are not fantastic, but its respectably bright and crisp. No such 'cyan oven mode style' colour options in the settings though, if the look isn't to your preference.
This is my first time using an 8inch tablet, its a nice experience. However this like email in landscape could definitely so with a bit of a makeover (everything appears very large), like email for kids . (Gmail I'm talking about).
Goodgle Newsstand, this had had a recent update which makes it quite graphically intense, using the cards style material UI of upcoming Google Android L. Scrolling through the items incurred a bit of lag, I would put in on par with my galaxy S3 (running CyanogenMod 11l. As a news reading experience, this app has a lot of potential, but Aimo It would only be optimal under android L.
Browsing through the play store for music, movies and books requires a fair amount of close-up viewing it on a galaxy s3, not so here. The items on display are pleasant and text metainfo, like price, genre, year etc. Are nicely legible.
Browsing speed..
Now this is the only area where I was not particularly amazed with the hudl 2. I fired up theverge as its quite intense. The chrome.browser held most of the images in place, however a quick scroll from very top to very bottom of the site had images blinking out of view,, then re-appearing. Not a ram issue I don't think. I think (only suspect) this might be a limit of the atom CPU.
I did nothing more strenuous to he tablet, and apart from that, I would say it is very very serviceable. Especially for £129.
Were it not for this potential.nexus9 around the corner with rumoured android L, I would buy this immediately.

would it be possible to put the GEL launcher on this? and thanks for the in depth review^^^^^^^

nice hands-on. sort out the strange spelllings and wording and you could put that on a proper website.
i'll be getting mine tonight (cost me £25 on top of my clubcard vouchers which have been sitting doing nothing for years) so will give some feedback for what its worth. i'm totally wanting to run windows on it though. I can't get my head around why anyone would chose a (presumably more expensive) Intel x64 chipset over an ARM given that Android is optimised for ARM.

SkEvol said:
I tried posting this in a comment box on Engadget. Suffice to say, it did not fit! I thought there might be a modding forum for the hudl1 over here on xda but to my surprise there is not :-O slightly concerning. I don't understand why it being a British device would be an issue, we make great stuff!
Anyway here goes..
Had a good shot on the hudl2 today. Going in teaco today was like the opening scenes of the Lego movie. Hudl propaganda everywhere. Point of sale cardboards you expect. But I have to admit impressed with the kiosk they've set up. The branding is simple, and hey had all colours of hudl on display, it definitely lures you in. On top of tat, giving the big brother Lego-movir feel, all of the television displays are showing a hudl2 promo vids on loop. 'Were really pleased to announce...' Etc..
The demo units run in obviously a demo mode. Pristine, I think I might have been their first prodder. All the tabs were heleved in landscape view and the first Hong you notice therefore is how wide they look. If you've seen the nexus7, these seem like pretty much the same ratio. The demo mode has a display encouraging you to 'try it', which if you tap, takes you to the android home screen. Naturally it is maiden with blinkbox icons. The home screen to the left features tescos feed. Things like shopping offers, how to get started on blibkbox etc. You can hide then (they appear as cards), but they come back soon enough. The home screen one to the right of the main, is more blink box a centric with more direct links to movies and music etc.
You can choose to ditch blinkbox icons if you wish but long and short, you're not getting rid of these left and right home screens anytime soon. I had a good look through the options and settings, and nowhere did I see the option to remove ho.eacreens.
Neither was I able to enable developer option s, something to note.
Going into settings, apps, I attempted to close/stop any references to Tesco processes running to see if it was possible to 'de-teaco' the homeacreens. And sure, I was able to stop them. But returning to the home screen starts them again and back they appear, as if they never went away.
The homeacreen to.the left incurs the highest lag in all my experience using the tablet. As you scroll left, the background blurs, which is a nice aesthetic touch but I would hedge my bets that is what's causing the lag. As another person has reported, touching the app drawer brings up the app icons very promptly, with only a slight *very very slight* * delay. To the otaku, this will annoy them possibly, but to.most casual users who don't race around phones/tabs as they likely so on desktop PC's, this won't be a problem at all.
Similarly, launching apps was prompt, about th same as the initial 'pressing on app drawer' button.
It feels very much like a smartphone, with a. Bigger screen, which is what most ppl expect.
The screen. The screen is absolutely stand-out feature on this tab. The colours, to my taster are desaturated enough to look natural, I would estimate skin tones in videos would look very nice on this. Photos look absolutely lovely, and using the tab to tweak them with Google Photos was easy, fun and satisfying.
Play store..
Internet wasslow connection in this particular tescos but at least they're connected! A welcome change to a lot of stores/demos. Indeed, these tabs were 'box-fresh' I downloaded Flipboard, which flipped through lagfree, although I can't say 100% for sure about hr speed because the connection was so slow that images weren't displaying yet.
I downloaded flickr, a nice appfor viewing photos on nice screens and it looked wonderful with next to no.lag (aside the net connection ).
Feel in the hand. These things are naturally powered up and connected via mai s as well as a central stem from beneath the desk holding them up. So I wasn't able to feel how theysit in the hand vertically. But I was able to.hold it horizontally and that was indeed very comfy, the rubbery soft touch back is very nice and trippy too.
No accessories were available yet.
I can't comment on the sound, but the screen is just lovely. Again, to echo others, the viewing angles are not fantastic, but its respectably bright and crisp. No such 'cyan oven mode style' colour options in the settings though, if the look isn't to your preference.
This is my first time using an 8inch tablet, its a nice experience. However this like email in landscape could definitely so with a bit of a makeover (everything appears very large), like email for kids . (Gmail I'm talking about).
Goodgle Newsstand, this had had a recent update which makes it quite graphically intense, using the cards style material UI of upcoming Google Android L. Scrolling through the items incurred a bit of lag, I would put in on par with my galaxy S3 (running CyanogenMod 11l. As a news reading experience, this app has a lot of potential, but Aimo It would only be optimal under android L.
Browsing through the play store for music, movies and books requires a fair amount of close-up viewing it on a galaxy s3, not so here. The items on display are pleasant and text metainfo, like price, genre, year etc. Are nicely legible.
Browsing speed..
Now this is the only area where I was not particularly amazed with the hudl 2. I fired up theverge as its quite intense. The chrome.browser held most of the images in place, however a quick scroll from very top to very bottom of the site had images blinking out of view,, then re-appearing. Not a ram issue I don't think. I think (only suspect) this might be a limit of the atom CPU.
I did nothing more strenuous to he tablet, and apart from that, I would say it is very very serviceable. Especially for £129.
Were it not for this potential.nexus9 around the corner with rumoured android L, I would buy this immediately.
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Good review - and the web pages thing does seem to be an issue. I thought I would add a couple of points based on 24 hours of ownership of this device....
The first thing I noticed was how laggy the Tesco launcher was - not helped by the boat load of Tesco crapola on left screen. The first thing I did was put Nova on there and it was like night and day - zero lag. I disabled most of the Tesco apps and hid them in the launcher as well which basically left me with, essentially, a stock Android tablet. It also left no visible sign of Tesco on the tablet because Nova can get rid of the search bar (Tesco had moved their Tesco button up here instead of having it on the Navigation bar on Hudl1) The only gripe about performance would be that there is some lag with some live wallpapers.
I stuck Asphalt 8 and Modern Combat 5 on there and there no problems. Both games play really, really well. I also tested the touch responsiveness - an issue on Hudl 1 - by playing CounterSpy and Alone and it seems to be a lot better on Hudl 2. I have not really had a chance to test the speakers yet as I have mainly used it with headphones. I've also not had any issues with app incompatibility caused by the Intel processor yet. Internet speed seems great so far- even large games downloaded quickly both on home and work WiFi.
My biggest gripe is the 9gb of free space - 11 out of 16gb free should be the minimum. First thing I will do when I root it will be to get rid of some of bloat with Titanium.
Overall though - very impressed. As already mentioned, the screen is just fantastic. Huge improvement on the first one and a really, really decent device. For the money its a no-brainer.

Thanks for continuing the discussion! What you've said all sounds very positive!
Have you managed to root it? I note that there sadly didn't seem to be much support for custom rom'ing the hudl1. But those changes you made with the launcher sound like they took care of any lag, this is great!
One thing you did mention.. I thought i would ask you, for clarity.. When you said..
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--were you referring to your own experience with loading pages? Or were you just echoing the concern i had expressed in my review?
Also, to hear that games work well is also really great!

Took the plunge today used my staff discount didn't use any club card put the google launcher disabled everything other than child and my Tesco which I couldn't do. Tablet is really fast display and size and great feels better the nexus 7

SkEvol said:
Thanks for continuing the discussion! What you've said all sounds very positive!
Have you managed to root it? I note that there sadly didn't seem to be much support for custom rom'ing the hudl1. But those changes you made with the launcher sound like they took care of any lag, this is great!
One thing you did mention.. I thought i would ask you, for clarity.. When you said..
--were you referring to your own experience with loading pages? Or were you just echoing the concern i had expressed in my review?
Also, to hear that games work well is also really great!
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I was more echoing your concerns tbh - noticed it crop up in at least a couple of "hands on" reviews and was wondering if it was an issue. I haven't especially noticed but I will try a few more content heavy web page and see what happens. I should apologise for the lack of clarity on my original reply as I haven't rooted it yet- I rooted the last one and ran exposed and gravity box which did compensate slightly for the lack of custom roms. There was a bit of interest in Hudl modding on Modaco last time, which was where I found the rooting info.

I think Rooting may take a while as this is an Intel Atom Bay trail Z3735D cpu. The Onda V975i has the same CPU and has been rooted so it may be possible to adapt it to work although it is running an older version of android which may raise other problems. Also I would not try any rooting method until a recovery ROM and method are available.
My Hudl 2 on order.
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Further From my previous post it appears that these Bay Trial tabs can have a Bios so It will be interesting to see how this tab matures. Windows Anyone!

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Further From my previous post it appears that these Bay Trial tabs can have a Bios so It will be interesting to see how this tab matures. Windows Anyone!
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Pretty cool to think that would be possible.
Windows has a 1000 uses, what would you choose to do? (just curious)

Do you think that Kings might have solution to rooting?

SkEvol said:
Pretty cool to think that would be possible.
Windows has a 1000 uses, what would you choose to do? (just curious)
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I am the worst person with devices, I like to get them to do more than they were originally intended to do and to tinker and learn as much as poss, then I just end up never using them. But if a Dev overcomes all the obstacles in Boot and Bios and is able to roll all the drivers into a windows rom, I couldn't help myself I would have to test it.

Hudl2 Thread
How do we lobby the XDA Devs to open a section for the Hudl2?
Do we need to raise money to buy one to send it to a dev?
I'd quite like a recovery loader (at the bare minimum) to be able to back up the Hudl2, before asking for some kind dev to port a new Rom to it.
What can we do to make any of the above options happen?

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How do we lobby the XDA Devs to open a section for the Hudl2?
Do we need to raise money to buy one to send it to a dev?
I'd quite like a recovery loader (at the bare minimum) to be able to back up the Hudl2, before asking for some kind dev to port a new Rom to it.
What can we do to make any of the above options happen?
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I don't know the answer to any of your questions but I'd be willing to contribute £5 to the cost of finding out how to root it, in whatever form that takes.

Just out of interest has anyone tried Root Genius? it is made by the same people that made Shuame. If not working I suspect root will probably come from installing IntelAndroidDrvSetup and then a flash from Fastboot if we can get into Fastboot. But it will need someone with the correct knowledge to make the flashable update with the right parameters. All only a guess though.

Hi. Does anyone have an idea of how someone who's not in England can purchase one?
I'm very interest, seems great value for the money.
Thanks.

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Just out of interest has anyone tried Root Genius? it is made by the same people that made Shuame. If not working I suspect root will probably come from installing IntelAndroidDrvSetup and then a flash from Fastboot if we can get into Fastboot. But it will need someone with the correct knowledge to make the flashable update with the right parameters. All only a guess though.
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Someone over in MoDaCo had a similar thought and suggested this may work:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2681783

giac0m0 said:
Someone over in MoDaCo had a similar thought and suggested this may work:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2681783
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Yes it might, my Hudl 2 is not yet delivered so I am unable to test at present. But I think it is worth a shot.
(kicking myself for ordering with delivery and not picking up from store.)

vermillions said:
If not working I suspect root will probably come from installing IntelAndroidDrvSetup and then a flash from Fastboot if we can get into Fastboot. But it will need someone with the correct knowledge to make the flashable update with the right parameters.
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I'm impressed! I have no idea now you had the thought process of thinking of doing that! I take it you must have quite a lot of experience with routing. I only ropted my s3 because i needed to. Sometimes i wish i had the insight to be able to suggest something like that. I usually work off of what faq or how-to suggests. I'm quite interested in why this device would require a different method because of it's cpu. Interesting to me.

Has anyone had success playing encoded videos e.g. x264 codec and similar? I used to get decent results using MXplayer or VLC beta on my previous tablet (a cheap Chinese version that should be worse than the Hudl2), but now I suspect that poor x86 support from those players is letting it down. I've downloaded the x86 codec for MX and played with the various performance options, but results range from good to appalling depending on the video, with stuttering or full crashes. I've also tried some other players that claimed x86 support, but no dice.
Any advice gratefully received, as I'm very happy with my Hudl2 apart from this.
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