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Hi guys,
I've noticed that if I plug my phone to the wall charger, when it reaches 95% it just stops charging. I can unplug it and plug it again, and I can reach 100% by repeating the process multiple times, but not in one sitting?
Is this normal? Does it happen to you? Does it get better?
Same here
(Using SuperAosp-ST 4.4)
i have that 2
I got to 98 once !
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Wow. So, is this some kind of feature or what?
frandavid100 said:
Wow. So, is this some kind of feature or what?
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as far as i know, its an known bug
Its by design - charging the battery to only 95% level & then the following discharge. It elongates the battery life. It should never charge to level's exceeding the above.
It's not a bug.
Most batteries lifespan drop if being on high voltage too long (100%)
So usually manufacturers will try to let it state it is fully charged before it even reach 100% to extend the lifespan of the battery.
But if you really want to see it charged fully you can do a battery stats wipe in recovery after a ROM flash. It will be able to charge to 100% fully.
Hope that helps.
navlem said:
It's not a bug.
Most batteries lifespan drop if being on high voltage too long (100%)
So usually manufacturers will try to let it state it is fully charged before it even reach 100% to extend the lifespan of the battery.
But if you really want to see it charged fully you can do a battery stats wipe in recovery after a ROM flash. It will be able to charge to 100% fully.
Hope that helps.
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tried this methode, but no success.
i come from a X10 and SE build in a charging algorithm: battery charged fully, hold this value for one hour and let the battery fall till it reaches 90% and charge again.
do you mean such methode to extend battery life??
the phone from my boss (i9020) charges to 100%, my (i9023) only to 96%
96% is ok, as i said, being in high voltage often kills the battery. 96% keeps it's lifespan much longer.
Being said that, even extremely low voltage kills the battery too. So usually your phone will die before the battery reach 0%
Not this again
From the FAQ post, in this very forum, which should be read before posting a new thread:
Q: I unplugged my phone, and my battery dropped from 100% to 95% immediately, or it won't/takes along time to charge past 99%, what gives?
The answer leads to this informative article about what your battery gauge is telling you, and why 100% is probably not what you want ...
http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/12/14/your-battery-gauge-is-lying-to-you-everything-you-need-to-know-about-bump-charging-and-inconsistent-battery-drain/
shamarama said:
Not this again
From the FAQ post, in this very forum, which should be read before posting a new thread:
Q: I unplugged my phone, and my battery dropped from 100% to 95% immediately, or it won't/takes along time to charge past 99%, what gives?
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While I thank you for your reply and linking to that article, that is a related issue but not exactly the same. The usual behaviour is for the battery to indicate a 100% charge and then drop to a lower level, as you bolded in your post. The behaviour I'm talking about is it never going over 95%.
Not a big difference, but enough to notice the change and ask about it. Don't you think?
I myself own a GT-I9020T & have never seen the charge levels exceed beyond 95%.
You are right, your description is subtly different than the post in the FAQ. I have to admit laziness in assuming that they would be one and the same 'problem' ... apologies if they're not.
Well, you did give useful info even though you thought it was an old, tired question. I can't see a reason to give apologies there
Turn the tethering on while charging; it'll charge the battery up to 100%
I think my Vibrant had the same issue / feature. It's probably a Samsung feature and not a bug.
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Mine hits 100pct sometimes but will always stop charging until it drops below 90. A good feature to save the battery. Makes 0 sense for it to be charging every time it drops 1pct for hours at night while on the charger.
I'm wondering if people seeing a difference in the overall charge cap is a matter of rom? I've been using cm for practically ever but I know some people are on stock. I'm sure it's possible something is modded in there to make sure it hits 100 before it stops.
Just a thought.
On nexus s with stock rom I was able to charge to 100%
bolabola118 said:
Turn the tethering on while charging; it'll charge the battery up to 100%
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LOL can someone confirm that?
richrach said:
On nexus s with stock rom I was able to charge to 100%
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maybe thats the problem, because the phone of my friend also charges to 100% (completly stock) mine only to 96% (NSCollab)
I have done bump charging and everything I can think of to get my battery to top off at 100% when I remove it from a power source. Every single time though it drops to anywhere from 95-97% within a minute.
Do I need to clear the battery stats and hope for the best? Do I need to request a new battery from Verizon?
Also, to clear battery stats do I need to run the phone down to nearly dead, clear stats, then charge it up? I have conflicting info on when to clear or if it's even a wise idea on the Thunderbolt.
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Also, to clear battery stats do I need to run the phone down to nearly dead, clear stats, then charge it up? I have conflicting info on when to clear or if it's even a wise idea on the Thunderbolt.
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I've been wondering about this as well. Good question
I always turn the phone off, charge to 100% then boot and immediately clear stats. After that let it drain till dead. I like to let it charge back up all the way with the phone off. Then use it normally. Always worked for me.
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ajd88 said:
I always turn the phone off, charge to 100% then boot and immediately clear stats. After that let it drain till dead. I like to let it charge back up all the way with the phone off. Then use it normally. Always worked for me.
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I've only cleared stats once but this is the process I used. Seemed to work well.
htowngator said:
I have done bump charging and everything I can think of to get my battery to top off at 100% when I remove it from a power source. Every single time though it drops to anywhere from 95-97% within a minute.
Do I need to clear the battery stats and hope for the best? Do I need to request a new battery from Verizon?
Also, to clear battery stats do I need to run the phone down to nearly dead, clear stats, then charge it up? I have conflicting info on when to clear or if it's even a wise idea on the Thunderbolt.
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If you leave it on the charger for an extended period of time it will always drop off a few percent rather quickly. A new battery will not fix that. From what I understand it is a feature that helps prevent overcharging. As for battery stats I only clear them if I switch from a standard to an extended battery or sometimes if you flash a ROM when not already charged to 100% and notice the battery has gotten worse.
dirtyfingers said:
If you leave it on the charger for an extended period of time it will always drop off a few percent rather quickly. A new battery will not fix that. From what I understand it is a feature that helps prevent overcharging. As for battery stats I only clear them if I switch from a standard to an extended battery or sometimes if you flash a ROM when not already charged to 100% and notice the battery has gotten worse.
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This. The battery charges to full and then will stop charging to prevent overcharging. Also it's good practice as said above to clear stats after loading a new ROM or switching out batteries.
There is an app on the market called battery calibration which walks you through step by step the proper way to calibrate it. Obviously you have to be rooted but you can clear stats without having to reboot into recovery. Of course you can run the new Das Bamf rom with their toolkit which also has a clear battery stats option in it.
What I do in the mornings when I wake up after charging all night, is reboot and continue to let it charge until I walk out the door.
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This thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=871051 explains why this happens.
Basically the battery meter is lying to you when it says 100% right when you take it off the charger, it's actually a couple percentage points below 100%. This is because keeping the phone at 100% while on the charger shortens the battery life.
So basically don't worry it's normal.
Everyone: I know why it happens and that it's normal.
I am talking about why after I do a bump charge and keep recharging it to 100% (i.e. take it off power, let it dip to 95%, put it back on power, charge till green). After it immediately goes green I pull it off and less than a minute later it's down to 96 or 97%, for example.
Does your phone require a bump charge to actually get the battery to 100%?
Unfortunately mine does. I had an incredible and am familiar with this process. Unfortunately my Charge told me that I was at 100% when it was really closer to about 60%. I know I was at ~60% b/c I turned the phone off and plugged it in and the batter icon showed about that percentage full.
Not too happy about this. It would suck if I have to have the phone off to get almost half my battery full.
Any fixes? Is it possible its just a fluke since this is one of my first couple initial charges?
Thanks in advance.
I havent had any problems like this. It could be that you got a bad battery...
Khanusma said:
Does your phone require a bump charge to actually get the battery to 100%?
Unfortunately mine does. I had an incredible and am familiar with this process. Unfortunately my Charge told me that I was at 100% when it was really closer to about 60%. I know I was at ~60% b/c I turned the phone off and plugged it in and the batter icon showed about that percentage full.
Not too happy about this. It would suck if I have to have the phone off to get almost half my battery full.
Any fixes? Is it possible its just a fluke since this is one of my first couple initial charges?
Thanks in advance.
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The android battery meter isn't a pure percentage meter, it also uses statistical history and current useage to guage how much you have left. So if you turn the screen on and pull down the notification area the screen and cpu just went to full use from nill, and the battery is probably a little hot, so with little statistics yet the battery thinks its being drained super fast.
Unplug it when it tells you to and don't plug it in till it asks to be plugged in, this will get you the most accurate battery readings. Otherwise don't worry about it unless its telling you to unplug it and then giving you the low battery dance before you get to your first destination of the day or something terribly bad.
I read a lot of thread about battery calibration so I want to know if someone try this on XT720 and if it's really usefull and not dangerous for the phone.
Thank you
It is useful and not dangerous at all. Your battery has, if stock that came with phone, a full charge of 4.2v.
So let's say that you have been conservatively using you phone most of the day and are at 70%. You decide to flash the Hellmonger edition or CM6 but you make a nandroid backup first. You flash them and it goes horribly wrong and your phone power dwindles down to 30% and you freakout and charge it back up.
When it is charging, you decide to hold off on flashing for a bit and want to go back to your "home" ROM, whatever that may be. You let your phone charge up to 100% and re-flash your back up. Once it reboots and settles down, you happen to notice that just 5 mins ago you were at 100%, but now after flashing your backup, your battery shows 70%.
30% drop in 5 mins is rediculous. Yes it is, bit it didn't really drop 30% in 5 mins because when you backed up your original ROM, you also backed up your data/system/batterystats.bin that was calibrated to 70%.
If you use Battery Calibrator and charge it up fully, run app, hit it and then unplug, it deletes the data/system/batterystats.bin and in a few seconds (5 ithink) it creates a new one with you proper charge and voltz.
So if you flash a lot, this is good for you. Or you can delete the batterystats.bin manually if you want, but there's an app for that.
Woodrube said:
It is useful and not dangerous at all. Your battery has, if stock that came with phone, a full charge of 4.2v.
So let's say that you have been conservatively using you phone most of the day and are at 70%. You decide to flash the Hellmonger edition or CM6 but you make a nandroid backup first. You flash them and it goes horribly wrong and your phone power dwindles down to 30% and you freakout and charge it back up.
When it is charging, you decide to hold off on flashing for a bit and want to go back to your "home" ROM, whatever that may be. You let your phone charge up to 100% and re-flash your back up. Once it reboots and settles down, you happen to notice that just 5 mins ago you were at 100%, but now after flashing your backup, your battery shows 70%.
30% drop in 5 mins is rediculous. Yes it is, bit it didn't really drop 30% in 5 mins because when you backed up your original ROM, you also backed up your data/system/batterystats.bin that was calibrated to 70%.
If you use Battery Calibrator and charge it up fully, run app, hit it and then unplug, it deletes the data/system/batterystats.bin and in a few seconds (5 ithink) it creates a new one with you proper charge and voltz.
So if you flash a lot, this is good for you. Or you can delete the batterystats.bin manually if you want, but there's an app for that.
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So, if I understand, it's not so usefull because after I lose my 30%, if I charge and I have 100% it's really 100% not 70% right ?
I would say that it is always best to start from a clean slate. It deletes that batstat file and starts anew. Can't hurt, but if you are flashing ROMs every 3rd day like most of us, it does come in handy.
For the moral of the stroy, it will not damage your phone. Just a one click app that you can do manually with Root Explorer if you wanted to.
Woodrube said:
I would say that it is always best to start from a clean slate. It deletes that batstat file and starts anew. Can't hurt, but if you are flashing ROMs every 3rd day like most of us, it does come in handy.
For the moral of the stroy, it will not damage your phone. Just a one click app that you can do manually with Root Explorer if you wanted to.
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Ok, thank you, I will use it when I will flash a new ROM.
Do you actually have to drain the battery fully after calibration?
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eejin2 said:
Do you actually have to drain the battery fully after calibration?
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Its recommended that the battery drain fully, and then be recharged without interruption. I guess thats to give android a full scale from full to empty, to help better report battery stats and consumption.
However for me full drain means 10-15%, its hurts the battery to be drained till the phone powers off.
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Its recommended that the battery drain fully, and then be recharged without interruption. I guess thats to give android a full scale from full to empty, to help better report battery stats and consumption.
However for me full drain means 10-15%, its hurts the battery to be drained till the phone powers off.
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Haha battery calibration definatly helps the battery a lot but u suggest not draining battery fully??
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Haha battery calibration definatly helps the battery a lot but u suggest not draining battery fully??
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I used to drain it fully till my phone turned off before calibration but I read a very detailed article about how draining the battery completely can hurt it. So I choose to drain it till 5-10% which is good enough
How come sometimes when the battery is full it shows 4200mah like it should but sometimes it shows less like around 4165mah in the battery calibration app? At 4165, I still left it there to charge to see if it would increase or not but it didn't...
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I know that the last little bit of charge just trickles in and takes a long time. If mine is at somewhere between 4150 and 4200, i call it good and go from there. If it was showing at say 4095 and 100%, then there might be something wrong with either the data or the battery. If you are sitting at 4165, then it is charged for the most part.
The app and what it does is more for when you are flashing a ROM and have around 60% and then once booted up fully, you charge it up to 100%. Decided you don't like your ROM and go back to your original ROM via backup, it will show 60% instead of the 100 or 90% you had before you went back to back up b/c you backed up the batstat bin when you nandroided your original ROM.
How about this:
ROM: Epicsteelblue 70% (and you made a backup) Then went to CM6, charged and hit calibrate battery at 100%. Used CM6 for a few hours and decided it wasn't your bag. Your batter is at 50%. You flash back to your Epicbluesteel ROM and you know for a fact you had 50% before you flashed back, but now once totally booted, you are showing 70%. This is why you use the battery calibrator after you flash a ROM. Gotta create a new batstat bin for you "fresh" ROM (even though it is a backup).
Hope this helps explain better.
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How come sometimes when the battery is full it shows 4200mah like it should but sometimes it shows less like around 4165mah in the battery calibration app? At 4165, I still left it there to charge to see if it would increase or not but it didn't...
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That happens sometimes to me aswell. The battery calibration app shows the battery full at 4165 or somewhere in that range. What I do with that is bump charge it. So if battery calibration shows 4165, i just calibrate it and turn the phone off while it is connected to the charger. When it turns off the charging screen appears and shows 100%, i leave it there for an hour or two. Then remove and turn the phone on. If you go into the battery information itll show the charge to be 4200 or close to that. Hope that was helpful you can try it next time.
EDIT: The reason I turn the phone off and let is charge is that when it reboots after fully charging to 4200 it can create a fresh battery stats. Remember battery stats are only rebuilt upon boot. If you calibrate your battery and then dont reboot its useless. To test calibrate it, and then use it for awhile and then try to recalibrate it the app will indicate that there are no battery stats avaible to delete. This is because the ROM has not made any new battery stats and will only make them on boot.
hey guys has anyone tried this method (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=11803458&postcount=10) of calibrating battery? it seems the dev says that if u use his method, you can calibrate without downtime!!
wow this is damn cool. but its kinda complicated. the old way feels better for me i think...
Battery Updates
The battery updates every 10%, is there any way to make it update more precisely, like every 5%?
I've never been able to get anything better that 10% battery increments
Okay thanks maybe in a future rom this would be nice.
Hi
Is their a way to change from 10% to 1% increameants.
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eejin2 said:
How come sometimes when the battery is full it shows 4200mah like it should but sometimes it shows less like around 4165mah in the battery calibration app? At 4165, I still left it there to charge to see if it would increase or not but it didn't...
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It is the property of all rechargetable battery, 4.2V can only see at the moment charging progress just finished. when the power management IC pull of charge current, battery's voltage will drop a litte in a very short time, like you said, 4.165V for example. And, because of your charger is connected, battery will not drain, It won't be another charging progress witch you are expecting.
I know I'm digging up an old thread here, so sorry for that. I've recently tried a few other ROMs, but since have come back to CM6.3.7. I always do the battery calibration thing when I flash ROMs and each time I've tried it lately, it gives me odd information in the Battery Usage screen. I charged my phone to 100% yesterday before leaving work and when I got to work today, it showed 70%, which seemed normal, but the Battery Usage screen showed "1h 24m since last unplugged" and I know I hadn't plugged it into the wall or USB for about 12 hours. I did restart once....could that be the reason why the time since last unplugged is incorrect?
I have long suspected something was wrong here. So last night, I charged my G2X to 100%, then turned the phone completely OFF!
Nine hours later I turned my phone back on, saw the nice Trinity animation, and saw that my battery was now at 89%!!!
WTF? Can anyone tell me what's going on here? My battery is only 7 months old! How does the battery drain so much with the phone off???
It could be that the battery is lying when it's at 100%... but I have read that the g2x drains while shut off.
Next time charge to 100, reboot phone, see what % it's at, then shut off the phone and test.
When I had charged the battery to 100%, I had left it connected to the charger for about five hours at 100%.
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When I had charged the battery to 100%, I had left it connected to the charger for about five hours at 100%.
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Still doesn't change the fact that it could be lying.
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Mine does this along with a few others, there is a thread on the subject already.
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Mine does this along with a few others, there is a thread on the subject already.
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Some say it could be the kernel, but there doesn't seem to be any resolution.
As to battery gauge accuracy, I have Battery Monitor Widget Pro installed and it verifies the sensor accuracy.
Charged to 100%, pulled the battery & let it sit for 8 hours. Just put the battery back in and the fuel gauge and Battery Widget Pro both say 100%.
With the way virtually every rechargable battery works this is pretty normal. When you charge a phone battery or anything really overnight it doesn't actually take the whole time to reach 100%. Most phones only require a few hours and after it hits the 100% mark it actually starts draining a little (as you have it plugged in) to about 95% or a little lower (your phone however is programmed to still display 100% to reduce user anxiety and will slowly adjust to the actual battery percentage as time goes on) And as someone already said, leaving the battery in the phone (even while it is off) will drain the battery too. This can be fixed by simply removing the battery until you want to use it.
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With the way virtually every rechargable battery works this is pretty normal. When you charge a phone battery or anything really overnight it doesn't actually take the whole time to reach 100%. Most phones only require a few hours and after it hits the 100% mark it actually starts draining a little (as you have it plugged in) to about 95% or a little lower (your phone however is programmed to still display 100% to reduce user anxiety and will slowly adjust to the actual battery percentage as time goes on)
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This is false and contradicts my measurements. BTW, the Android battery API shows the real percentage of the battery and doesn't "display 100% to reduce user anxiety". A battery meter that lied about its charge would INCREASE user anxiety.
it is well known that modern Android phones, including iPhones, have sneak circuits that still operate when the phone is switched off, including the GPS. It's a big privacy issue.
Then why doesn't it happen all the time on all phones and roms? I can confirm while using hfp 2.1 it drained with phone off and battery inside, but on cm7 nightly latest and stock kernel it hasn't done it to me yet.
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Because it's up to the kernel. Different kernels behave differently when the phone is off.
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Prob Has to do with Kernel. Maybe its the battery driver your using.
For example I'm using Hellfire phoenix Rom with this Kernel > http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1073626
I can use the one with DebouchedSloth's Battery Driver "(funky readings, but great battery performance)" or with the Official CM7 Battery Driver "(smooth readings, but battery life is slightly less than DebouchedSloth's driver)"
I think it's because the phone isn't actually off when you "power it off." I say this because when it's "off" and you plug in a power source the screen shows a charging graphic almost immediately, so it must still be on in order to detect the charger and show something on screen that quickly.
I had mine charged to 100%, turned it "off", came back 3 weeks later and it was dead.
Not sure why they'd design it like that. I guess the phone needs to be "on" in some sense to be able to charge while "powered off." I assume other phones can charge the battery while the phone is actually completely off.
O.K., just lost 10% battery overnight when powered off.
I've read that a draining battery when off is caused by the Fast Boot setting. When powered off some things are still running so the phone boots up faster.
In OEM Android there is a "Setting > Power > Fast Boot" that I can uncheck, but on CM7 I can't find that setting. Any ideas?