Back to GB.. - Captivate General

After spending a couple months bouncing back n forth between different ICS roms, I'm happily back on the latest cm7 nightly. ICS is nice, but the Captivate is anything but designed for it. Cm7 is so much smoother, glitch free, bug free, simplistic, and just all around better energy for a rom. I am NOT dissing ICS, I'm simply saying our phones don't necessarily run better on ICS just because its "new" and "hip". Also, is it just me or is the ICS theming a bit depressing?
..just my thoughts
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Oh MrHaley I was gonna post something similar but thought others might think I'm a ****.
Cool. Story. Brah. Lol

Just my attempt at humor. If i offended/upset/angered anyone, i apologize.

Lol
Yep... I'm not flashin any ICS Roms.
Want to avoid the "Encrypto-Bricko"
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4-2ndtwin said:
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Yep... I'm not flashin any ICS Roms.
Want to avoid the "Encrypto-Bricko"
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Have been "checking in" here and there on that thread for "Encryption unsuccessful"
Is it happening to a large percentage of cappy owners running ICS?

M973 said:
Have been "checking in" here and there on that thread for "Encryption unsuccessful"
Is it happening to a large percentage of cappy owners running ICS?
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From what I've seen, I wouldn't say a lot of peeps are getting it but the threat still lingers. Plus there might be more cases that haven't been reported cause they just ditch the phone and get another.

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Yep... I'm not flashin any ICS Roms.
Want to avoid the "Encrypto-Bricko"
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Thanks
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ninjuh said:
After spending a couple months bouncing back n forth between different ICS roms, I'm happily back on the latest cm7 nightly. ICS is nice, but the Captivate is anything but designed for it. Cm7 is so much smoother, glitch free, bug free, simplistic, and just all around better energy for a rom. I am NOT dissing ICS, I'm simply saying our phones don't necessarily run better on ICS just because its "new" and "hip". Also, is it just me or is the ICS theming a bit depressing?
..just my thoughts
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To each his/her own, but each device is different. My wife's captivate runs everything I throw at it with no problems and no lag. My own captivate is very picky. I tried most of the ICS roms, I think, and it only likes Team ICSSGS. It was a bit laggy at first but then I flashed Glitch kernel and lightly overclocked to 1248mhz on stock volts. Now it's buttery smooth, much more so than any GB rom or stock.

I am waiting on a SGSII ICS port so we get a nice colorful dialer and Samsung themes..

I think it's just a matter of personal preference. I'm on nightly THS ICS and totally happy with it. No problem whatsoever
I guess not every Cappy is happy with ICS though. My gf's gets SOD and random reboot with ICS. I'm trying other ICS ROMs with it and may finally get it back to GB.

rheicide said:
I think it's just a matter of personal preference. I'm on nightly THS ICS and totally happy with it. No problem whatsoever
I guess not every Cappy is happy with ICS though. My gf's gets SOD and random reboot with ICS. I'm trying other ICS ROMs with it and may finally get it back to GB.
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Have you tried SlimICS? I have it on my phone and I know a few people that put it on their captivates, no problems so far...

Have you tried ZSimplyAOKP? No seriously, have you? I don't think anyone who's used this ROM would want to go back to GINGERBREAD :what: . Before you lose all hope give this one a go.
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ICS
I've just recently switched back to Darky after trying nearly every ICS rom that I could flash. I had absolutely zero problems with them, and in my opinion the launchers and overall UI is much smoother than Gingerbread. However, I've had my Cappy for almost two years, and while I'm due for an upgrade, I love the phone too much to see it bricked because of an issue that nobody seems to be able to explain or figure out (including myself). But one thing is for certain... it has been a great couple of years and I'll stretch it out as long as I can!

I've try many roms too. zsimplyAOKP, DOCs, SlimICS, change modems, try each rom with different kernel... and Im thinking hard to get back to stock.
I have one of those old cappy who SoD over 80% bttery charge on stock.
Im now doing some testing with captivate keep alive at all time ON and even with that notice 1 or 2 reboots per day.

I went back to stock 2.3.3 for a bit too after getting pissed at the instability of the 5 or 6 ICS roms i flashed/tested out. In fact, one ICS kernel actually bjorked my USB port into thinking it was being used when it wasn't and vice versa. The real drag was not having hspda!! I've recently switched back to slimICS and have been absolutely LOVING it. I won't be switching roms again any time soon. As one stated previously in this thread, each cappy seems to have a mind of it's own

I have been using Slim ICS (with Apex Lancher) for 2 months now, all I can say is...WOW! It is super stable, tons of features and speedy too. Faster then CM7 as I recall. With every release it keeps getting better. Seriously, give it a try. With Slim on my Cappy I can happily wait for a quad core phone that catches my attention.
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Well after reading up on the "encryption unsuccessful" issue, I decided to play it safe and go back to GB until a fix is discovered.

GB was good. But out of stock ROMs Froyo had the best battery life. And Eclair was good too. And just imagine how fast and cool Donut would be on our Cappies! Anyone to port?

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Want for Gingerbread?

I was hoping to get your guys opinion on this. Should I wait at least until mid October for gingerbread, or should I say forget it and install a custom Rom now? In otherwords, do you think gingerbread will really be here soon?
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We kinda think its close. But why not try a custom rom. The flash time and return to stock time is les than 15 minutes. Now if you are trying not to void your warranty,I guess I can dig that.
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It's a really high quality refurb from Att and has 2 months of warranty left. But I doubt I'd brick it. Even if I did I'd use gtg's unbricker. Hmm... I'm still on the fence though. Need more opinions.
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Well the custom roms offer some things stock doesnt yet its up to you and your needs.
Anyways now with the video recording fix using a GB rom its a nice choice. I was "stuck" on Froyo since the fps thingy on Gb roms but now that its fixed ive been runnin Infused 2.2.3 and its smooth.
There are some more rom options so you could browse and take your choice.
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If you're willing to give up HDMI output and live with a few minor bugs, you can have Gingerbread now.
Also data speeds are still not fixed in GB, although one fix I tried seems to have had far better results than I expected so there is promise there. I'm asking for some confirmation of that, as I live in an area with always-crappy speeds so I can't really test it.
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If you're willing to give up HDMI output and live with a few minor bugs, you can have Gingerbread now.
Also data speeds are still not fixed in GB, although one fix I tried seems to have had far better results than I expected so there is promise there. I'm asking for some confirmation of that, as I live in an area with always-crappy speeds so I can't really test it.
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Yea I was going to wait, but I could not stand it anymore. I am on 2.2.2 with Entropy's kernel. The data speeds seem mostly restored, even though i used to get almost another mb usually. If you do go to Gingerbread now, I will say the perfect pair is Infused 2.2.3 (or 2.2.2) with Infusion 1.0 (overclock kernel) for heavy games users. For daily needs and internet speed, I would say again Infused 2.2.3 (or 2.2.2) with Entropy's kernel. I have not tried Serendipity, but I have heard almost nothing bad about that too.
I installed S7 a few weeks ago, expecting to only stay on it a few days as I tried a few other ROMs. I still want to fix the Hellraiser "stuck battery notifications" issue.
I've been very happy with S7 - At some point I'll be returning to CM7, but I've been so busy that I haven't had time to mess with reflashing another ROM.
UCKI5 apparently just got leaked, so I may just wait. Seems like it's close.
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UCKI5 apparently just got leaked, so I may just wait. Seems like it's close.
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Where is the leak? Jease they are like coming out every four days lol.
First topic in Infuse 4G general man. Sorry I couldn't link it, I'm on my phone.
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UCKI5 is semi-leaked - no one has managed to decrypt it yet.
Well yes. I was just saying that since it's around I'll wait for official.
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Hey guys i just got my infuse replaced and i have been checking and so far we have lots of Roms for this phone, i am wondering if anyone knows the best Rom for speed/smoothness with the least amount of glitches?
Markiddo said:
Hey guys i just got my infuse replaced and i have been checking and so far we have lots of Roms for this phone, i am wondering if anyone knows the best Rom for speed/smoothness with the least amount of glitches?
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MIUI is by far...the smoothest snappiest ROM. Just no bluetooth. if u dont use bluetooth this is the ROM for you. Really the only 2 choices are Infused and MIUI and then there are some other mumbo-jumbo ones that half work......
Mohammad_Adib said:
MIUI is by far...the smoothest snappiet ROM. Just no bluetooth. if u dont use bluetooth this is the ROM for you. Really the only 2 choices are Infused and MIUI and then there are some other mumbo-jumbo ones that half work......
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Honestly, I didn't like MIUI, i thought it looked pretty childish IMO lol You should also consider Dlev Rom. Trying them all out wouldn't hurt either, everyone has their own opinion...
So far, my personel best experience has been with Serendipity VII.
MIUI...S7...CM7 have been my favorites . Running MIUI and have to say it is my number one choice.
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yeahhh ive seen a bunch of people that like miui, im gonna try them all this week to see... thanks
DLEV is my favorite. I had infused until gtg left. And miui does look a lil' kiddie. What I love about fleck is the smoothness. It blazes! And if you apply 99 tweaks and S.A.S. on top of it, it becomes insane. If you like benchmark #'s I consistently get 27500.
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you mean 2750 right? lol
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Lol. Yeah. Sorry I was waiting for my food at wawa
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Personally, I'm running Infused with Entropy's kernel and a bunch of custom CPU settings. My phone is blazing fast - just no HDMI out as with all GB ROMs so far as it seems.
Everyone's gonna have their own preference. Get familiar with flashing and start playing with different ROMs. The only way you'll find your preference is by trying.
Personally for me, I prefer battery life over performance (such as HD video displays, high mem-usage games, etc) so I like Infused for that. I get roughly 26 hours on a charge with JuiceDefender and moderate usage...
Good luck!

your favorite ROM?

I've been using ****AO5P for a few weeks now and it's absolutely amazing. I don't really know what else to ask for, but is there anything better out there?
Well shiftsense was just as fast and had the same battery life but I recently switched to bamf 1.0.7 and I like it. Lots of mods and themes and same speed, not amazing on battery life but that's okay
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I too use BAMF, on double shot right now love the landscape mode on home page.
If I helped you in any way please use the thank you button
I've tried a bunch and have settled on BAMF 1.0.7
i've tried em all, but sticking with cm7 for now.. i loved bamf forever, but switched a few days ago because the call answer and sleep of death bugs were too much for me to handle.
ShiftAOSP for AOSP Rom and my rom for a sense Rom.
how do you run two roms at the same time?
Synergy for me.....the latest build is working awesome for me. Was on bamf soab but the "end call" bug kinda scared me away, other than that it was a good rom. Synergy just works for me
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ph00ky said:
how do you run two roms at the same time?
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Lol nandroid is my friend we go way back!
I guess my fav is stock rooted. I'm in bamf now and it has some really nice features but I don't see any big advantage over stock rooted. I'm going to try to give bamf a week b4 I make up my mind though.
I'd love an open source rom but I keep reading about one bug after another. I like everything to just...work.
ph00ky said:
i've tried em all, but sticking with cm7 for now.. i loved bamf forever, but switched a few days ago because the call answer and sleep of death bugs were too much for me to handle.
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If I run into either of those bugs I'm back to stock rooted. I went into bamf tools and chose 2.1 lock screen so I hope that will prevent the end call bug.
The sleep of death bug wont bother me too much as long as it is very rare and the phone can be turned on. Sleep of death to brick would be bad
Sig says it all...
My name is Revos I'm a recovering flashaholic running Liquid Gingerbread 3.0
Running BAMF SoaB now with Imo's Kernel, and I am VERY impressed!
Hey OP the dev of shiftao5p is gonna get made when he sees you calling it ****AO5P.
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I was running Bamf Forever 1.0.7 But Wanted to try CM7 Haven't Went back! Using Imo's Lean AOSP Kernel Overclocked to 1.4Ghz I'm set! i just miss the sexyness of Sense 3.0
Nice typo.
Signature.
Son of a Bliss is awesome. If you like sense 3.0, you'll hate it after you try a sense 3.5 Rom. I always hated 3.0. Too laggy. Sense 3.5 FLIES!!!
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BAMF forever, smoothest sense rom out there IMO
I was never an AO5P fan but when i tried SHIFTAO5P HACK3ED and i absolutely love it. However i was a Bamf fan when i first rooted, switched to Infused Theory and loved it when 3.0 was added so i think i will have to try 3.5. I have seen videos and it looks good. Link? im not seeing it in xda, he move like theory did?
Edit: nm google told me
wow his list of bugs looks annoying? =/ ill try but i think it will be a 1 day thing. thats not to say ShiftAO5P Hacked doesnt have bugs but i have foud a few but i can live with them.
Yeah I began with minibamf which was vanilla also then I started messing with cm7 mods and stuff fell.in love, as I progressed I thought shift ao5p hack3d was great but this new romicied iBolt Tom based off OC he aforementioned rom is SOOOOO FAST
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Which rom is going to blow my mind

I use quick wiz I love it. Best stable fast rom ever but I keep waiting for something amazing. But never happens. Is there one coming or one I missed. Most seem the same.
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xxsicknessxx said:
I use quick wiz I love it. Best stable fast rom ever but I keep waiting for something amazing. But never happens. Is there one coming or one I missed. Most seem the same.
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I would stick with what you have for a short while longer.
UCLA 2.3.6 update just hit, so lots of ROM's will go through wipe-only updates and new ROM's will be released.
SkyICS is the flashiest, coolest ROM IMO that still manages to be stable and quick.
RedSonja is a bit more blah (aside from cartoons) with the theme and tricks/gimmicks/addons, but looks like it was just rebuilt for UCLA 2.3.6 update. So if you have to flash something, that is the one I'd try right now.
I'm digging NexusM0D 3.0 after trying a couple of different ICS-Themed ROM's.
KAMBYTHET said:
I'm digging NexusM0D 3.0 after trying a couple of different ICS-Themed ROM's.
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Nexusmod 3.0 isn't even out yet
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MIUI 4.0 based on CM9 and ICS.... once it exists.
m4570d0n said:
MIUI 4.0 based on CM9 and ICS.... once it exists.
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Lmao!
Where, I want that too.
xxsicknessxx said:
I use quick wiz I love it. Best stable fast rom ever but I keep waiting for something amazing. But never happens. Is there one coming or one I missed. Most seem the same.
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I'd give Skycoke a try. To be honest SkyICS and Coke are the only two I've used but I've developed a serious Coke habbit. It's clean, fast and stable.
I'm sticking with it until there's a true ICS release.
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Locoman_ said:
I'd give Skycoke a try. To be honest SkyICS and Coke are the only two I've used but I've developed a serious Coke habbit. It's clean, fast and stable.
I'm sticking with it until there's a true ICS release.
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I like that one a lot also.
But I was getting random, infrequent force closes. Mostly on superuser.
Anything Seanzcreams dev's is going to be pretty good. But he's not around for a few weeks I think. So no new updates for awhile.
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I like that one a lot also.
But I was getting random, infrequent force closes. Mostly on superuser.
Anything Seanzcreams dev's is going to be pretty good. But he's not around for a few weeks I think. So no new updates for awhile.
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Sean will be back in April after the tour w chimaira. Skyics is very stable and clean though.
I really liked sky ics, and nexus mod 2.0. Tpc is really good as well but the dev moved on so no updates. If you like eye candy try one of the sky versions or nexus mod.
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what Rom do you guys recommend if i am looking for stability, battery life and lots of customization (tweaking wise not graphics wise)...
i am using sky ics 7.4 speed... its very flashy and has lots of graphics stuff i dont really need but its draining my battery like crazy. i can barely go 10 hours without charging.
Try using the stock skyice. I am using this version and the battery life is awesome. Best batter life I have had with any android phone.
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Try using the stock skyice. I am using this version and the battery life is awesome. Best batter life I have had with any android phone.
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yeah i am running speed at the moment ...going to downgrade to stock.
the problem i am having is that my phone never goes to sleep...! i am trying to find what causes the wake lock...with the screen off is still draings batter like crazy...
i have my eyes on the call recorder...could that be the culprit?
Idk...its gotta be some app that you downloaded though...cant be a system app since those come on the rom and mine is fine.
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try betterbatterystats, donwload the one from the forum, the dev posted it. It will let u know what the wakelock source is
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try betterbatterystats, donwload the one from the forum, the dev posted it. It will let u know what the wakelock source is
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haha i just bought it in the marketplace ..there goes my 2 euros haha
i just uninstalled a buch of stuff and reset battery stats. Looks like now the device is actually going to deep sleep like its supposed to.
if the problem comes back i will post logs here!
thx for the help.
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I like the stability of SkyIce 7.4 Lots of eye candy. Right now using StokMod-2-UCLA3, hoping that ICS will be released soon. I Wipe about once a week just for the variety. Only Bricked the SkyRocket i727 once before the 30 days was up.
Wish I would have waited for the note.
Personally I prefer the Tmob roms. The ones here feel pretty much all the same to me too imo. There are some pretty interesting ones over there like Tuesday, Juggs and ParadoxII. Really nice themes and features too. You just need to flash our kernel or else your rotation is all outta wack. I find there is more action over there. Although the roms we do have might be less original they are pretty rock solid.(props to our devs) The only downside to the Tmob is you lose the LTE icon (still getting the speeds just no icon changing) which I couldnt care less

Gingebread ics or jellybean

I really hate how I flash a new from every day. I though jb was good at first but not like everyone else I have my doubts. A little to "heavy" doesn't feel right on my phone. I really appreciate ics and it feels alright on my phone, but I really miss gingebreads reliability and speed, just curious, does anyone else feel the same? Should I just switch to gingerbread again? Is other a way to keep some features of ics on gingerbread?
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I really hate how I flash a new from every day. I though jb was good at first but not like everyone else I have my doubts. A little to "heavy" doesn't feel right on my phone. I really appreciate ics and it feels alright on my phone, but I really miss gingebreads reliability and speed, just curious, does anyone else feel the same? Should I just switch to gingerbread again? Is other a way to keep some features of ics on gingerbread?
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I used to run CM7 and CM9 on my i9023 nexus s.. and I found CM7 to be really unstable. I switched to a CM9 nightly and it was a godsend.. smoother, more attractive and 10x more stable! but I found it sort of "slowed down" after about 3 months.. just a circumstantial observation though, didn't do any tests.
I'm hooking up my friends with a couple of Nexus S's shortly because they need phones. I'm thinking of giving them CM9, rather than 10, for better battery life. But I'm guessing CM9 is susceptible to the SMS remote wipe hack? haven't tested it.
Personally I never liked cyanogenmod up until 9.0 , I'm on cm9 right now but it random reboot & hangs :/ cm10 seems pointless to me.
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I have stuck with stock one on both my droids. I find these roms useless because I have always found an app that can do what these roms can do
i try most roms out thier , the best are slim cm9, remics 1.1 both ics
Whatif the phone's rom memory gets a few bad blocks due to repetitive flashing?
Remics is probably one of the best roms I've seen put out for nexus s, so nice , but I just feel the need to switch sometimes. And I had no idea that that would effect my phone
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Not significant it has some million writes before it wears.
Well. Thanks, I did not know this
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the fastest rom is slim cm9 go for it
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I really hate how I flash a new from every day. I though jb was good at first but not like everyone else I have my doubts. A little to "heavy" doesn't feel right on my phone. I really appreciate ics and it feels alright on my phone, but I really miss gingebreads reliability and speed, just curious, does anyone else feel the same? Should I just switch to gingerbread again? Is other a way to keep some features of ics on gingerbread?
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Just try Rasbeanjelly. Great, smooth & very stable JB rom :good:
Currently I use TSM V6 and for me it is very stable and smooth. I have a nandroid backup of CyberRom v4 and sometimes I change but I prefer JB.
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Try AOPK JB Build 4, the best rom i've tried so far, no lag, probably as fast as GB
nashy10 said:
I really hate how I flash a new from every day. I though jb was good at first but not like everyone else I have my doubts. A little to "heavy" doesn't feel right on my phone. I really appreciate ics and it feels alright on my phone, but I really miss gingebreads reliability and speed, just curious, does anyone else feel the same? Should I just switch to gingerbread again? Is other a way to keep some features of ics on gingerbread?
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Gingerbread for me.
Rooted it, just to install adfree android.
Removed a few native apps, email, talk and a few others.
Fast, stable and no battery pulls.
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Try AOPK JB Build 4, the best rom i've tried so far, no lag, probably as fast as GB
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true dat. I remember when AOKP came out with their first JB rom, it was so unstable; rebooted my phone every 10 mins and I flashed cm10 and was happy for a while but it then started to do the same thing. Then i went to paranoid and it was even worse; so i went back to cm10. and then AOKP JB build came out and i was skeptical about getting it because of my first experience with them but I gave it a try and I have been flashing AOKP all the way up to build 4 and let me tell you; BEST ****ING ROM ON JB right now. My phone never crashes; never lags, and is super crazy smooth/fast!
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true dat. I remember when AOKP came out with their first JB rom, it was so unstable; rebooted my phone every 10 mins and I flashed cm10 and was happy for a while but it then started to do the same thing. Then i went to paranoid and it was even worse; so i went back to cm10. and then AOKP JB build came out and i was skeptical about getting it because of my first experience with them but I gave it a try and I have been flashing AOKP all the way up to build 4 and let me tell you; BEST ****ING ROM ON JB right now. My phone never crashes; never lags, and is super crazy smooth/fast!
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Thing is, every rom is fast and smooth right after you flash it. In order to talk so good about one, I'd say you need to keep it for, at least, 3 months. If it's still stable and fast, with no wipes needed, no daily reboots, I'd believe you.
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Thing is, every rom is fast and smooth right after you flash it. In order to talk so good about one, I'd say you need to keep it for, at least, 3 months. If it's still stable and fast, with no wipes needed, no daily reboots, I'd believe you.
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Damn builds come out every Sunday with new updates every time lol... Itd be hard to stay on one build for that long
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Felipe Ambrosio said:
Thing is, every rom is fast and smooth right after you flash it. In order to talk so good about one, I'd say you need to keep it for, at least, 3 months. If it's still stable and fast, with no wipes needed, no daily reboots, I'd believe you.
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AOKP JB is very stable now. I haven't wiped since the nightlies, up to build 4 currently. I flash new build/nightly as soon as it's available. 3 months? Don't think I can hold for even a few days after new build is released.
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