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[Q] charger question

Hello,
I have a micro usb charger that cam with my hp touchpad. looking at the label it seems like it supplies a 2A current as opposed to the 1A our phone takes. Can i use it on the G2x resulting in faster charging or will i damage the battery?
thanks,
Ismail

imoumni said:
Hello,
I have a micro usb charger that cam with my hp touchpad. looking at the label it seems like it supplies a 2A current as opposed to the 1A our phone takes. Can i use it on the G2x resulting in faster charging or will i damage the battery?
thanks,
Ismail
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You can use it as long as it supplies the correct the voltage. I use a 2amp charger with my G2X and I love how fast my phone charges. The phone will only draw as much as it can.

A faster charge results in a hotter battery. Some people think fast charging the battery is also the cause of the infamous SOD (Sleep of Death). Keep an eye (or ahnd) on your phone and make sure it is not getting too hot while on the charger.

phburks said:
You can use it as long as it supplies the correct the voltage. I use a 2amp charger with my G2X and I love how fast my phone charges. The phone will only draw as much as it can.
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The hotter the battery goes, the shorter the battery life span will result as li-ion battery doesn't quite like in hot temp. Never tried a 2A charger to charge my G2X, so I would not know. But I am using a 1A charger to it and it works great If 2A charges does not cause the battery to go too hot, it should be fine.

I've been using this charger since May with no issues. The battery will only draw as much as its capable of drawing. As long as the voltage is the same as the stock charger then there is no issue. You could connect it to a 5 amp charger and it would still only draw the 1.x amps its designed to draw.

Going too low on amperage is where you have to be careful.

thanks for the replies, turns out that 2A charger is 5.3V as opposed to the 4.8V LG charger...

phburks said:
I've been using this charger since May with no issues. The battery will only draw as much as its capable of drawing. As long as the voltage is the same as the stock charger then there is no issue. You could connect it to a 5 amp charger and it would still only draw the 1.x amps its designed to draw.
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+1 on that, LG may be dumb, but they're not dumb enough to let their phone overload with un-needed electricity.

[Q] High Power Charger?

Whenever I use my sensation when I get home, I always game on it.
You know games such as dead trigger, It gives me the notification "Power is being used more than charge" or something like that.
I was wondering if there was a charger that charges faster.
I was thinking about getting an external charger,as I have 2 batteries, but please give me your opinions!
Thanks!

I ordered a pair of Anker 1900 batteries that came with a charger that can charge a battery externally as well as charge the phone directly. Any charger capable of providing 1000mAh is enough to provide a full charge; that's all the phone will draw anyway. If you go into settings and power, if it says Charging (AC) and not Charging (USB) you're drawing as much as you can. The travel charger that shipped with the phone will give you the fast charge...
Here's the kit I ordered: http://www.amazon.com/1900mAh-Batte...id=1358461441&sr=1-2&keywords=anker+sensation

owner eod said:
Whenever I use my sensation when I get home, I always game on it.
You know games such as dead trigger, It gives me the notification "Power is being used more than charge" or something like that.
I was wondering if there was a charger that charges faster.
I was thinking about getting an external charger,as I have 2 batteries, but please give me your opinions!
Thanks!
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If a high powered charger existed then it still wouldn't solve your problem. The reason why you get this notification while playing games is because, in order to prevent a fire, when the Sensation reaches a certain temperature then it will stop charging the battery; if the phone gets too hot then it will not charge.

I have that problem to all i did get new battery look at thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2101362

A high power charger just has the ability to let a larger amperage value through without it melting.
But both a phone charger and a tablet charger are 5 volt devices like all
Smartphones usually have a 1amp charger. Tablets have a 2 amp charger. But both are 5 volts.
You can plug a smartphone into a 2 amp charger easily enough. But the charger can't "push" the extra amp to the phone. That's not how it works. The phone can only "pull" 1 amp. It's the device that regulates how many amps it consumes.
But you could plug your phone directly into a wall socket without a charger and it will send 120 volts to the phone. Of course this will fry the phone pretty quickly (or the phone will register that it's got too much voltage and kill the circuit to protect itself) but assuming that the phone could survive the voltage the battery would then charge very fast.
In other words a higher powered charger won't help charge the phone faster because the phone is regulating how much power it takes from the charger. The phone is set up to only draw 1 amp. Period.
More voltage would charge the device faster but fry the phone. More amperage won't help because the phone won't use it anyway.

Battery Care P3110...

Hello Guys!
I got today a new P3110 and I discacharged it to 2% and I plugged it now to load.
I have seen the charger pushes 2A @ 5V , this is pretty much for a battery of 4Ah, I know from my batteries ( AA AAA and others) that the charging current should be max. 1/3 of the capacity of battery.
So my question is: IS it better to charge it with the Samsung Galaxy S2 charger which provides only 0,[email protected],1V ?
It would last app. 6h to charge it till its full ( can be done over night, hopefully the charger wont melt)....
What do you think about that? Woul it harm to battery(li poly) to do it with small current?
cheers

If the charger seems much then tell me why Samsung made it.

Luigi2012SM64DS said:
If the charger seems much then tell me why Samsung made it.
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to destroy the battery faster, through much more currency than actually needed, so you have to buy a new one....

sh0ne said:
to destroy the battery faster, through much more currency than actually needed, so you have to buy a new one....
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You have got to be kidding me. ITS SO THE TAB CHARGES FASTER. IT WON'T KILL THE BATTERY!!!!

Its because the tab has a much bigger battery 4000mah vs 16xxmah.
It charges it faster

MrAndroid12 said:
Its because the tab has a much bigger battery 4000mah vs 16xxmah.
It charges it faster
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Of couse it charges faster, but for long therm it will kill the battery faster. Its usual, like every battery. Every fast charger is not good for battery, I just wanted to know if somebody have a expieriance...

sh0ne said:
Of couse it charges faster, but for long therm it will kill the battery faster. Its usual, like every battery. Every fast charger is not good for battery, I just wanted to know if somebody have a expieriance...
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Battery life span is a matter of charge cycles 0%-100%-0%. That is 1 cycle and surely batteries don't discharge to 0% not charge fully to 100%

-AFAIK- Even with lithium, Its the heat build up when "fast" charging that shortens any battery life - (same with fast discharging- I would never use those apps that do so) , so I agree with shOne. I have the same model & have noticed the battery does get quite hot when mains charging,( though have never thought to check charging AH).
I would imagine that the only damage you would do with using phone charger would be to the charger, by sucking out more than it can handle, not the battery ! -
-- But why not charge it via a pc usb port - this take a lot longer (so presume much lower AH) than the mains plug in charger - Most usb pc ports are nowadays - permanently live, even when pc off - same with the usb on a modern sky/virgin box. My battery does not get hot, charging this way. I dont know what the charge rate is charging this way ,because both the inbuilt notification & my battery app say "discharging" - (although actually charging)
(I agree that Samsung have provided a quick mains charger, and wouldnt be averse to selling replacement batteries earlier than would otherwise be neccessary, !! (I wouldnt use cheap replacement batteries in any I.T. stuff - I "blew up " a laptop once as a result!!)

I believe that the 2 amp charge is reasonable with the out put of most lithium batteries for this type of device. Since it is a lithium it will not be overcharging or over heating due to sensing, it would be a serious fire hazard... fyi I use a2 amp charger from Wal-Mart and I do not notice my device really heating up...
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Buff52 said:
-AFAIK- Even with lithium, Its the heat build up when "fast" charging that shortens any battery life - (same with fast discharging- I would never use those apps that do so) , so I agree with shOne. I have the same model & have noticed the battery does get quite hot when mains charging,( though have never thought to check charging AH).
I would imagine that the only damage you would do with using phone charger would be to the charger, by sucking out more than it can handle, not the battery ! -
-- But why not charge it via a pc usb port - this take a lot longer (so presume much lower AH) than the mains plug in charger - Most usb pc ports are nowadays - permanently live, even when pc off - same with the usb on a modern sky/virgin box. My battery does not get hot, charging this way. I dont know what the charge rate is charging this way ,because both the inbuilt notification & my battery app say "discharging" - (although actually charging)
(I agree that Samsung have provided a quick mains charger, and wouldnt be averse to selling replacement batteries earlier than would otherwise be neccessary, !! (I wouldnt use cheap replacement batteries in any I.T. stuff - I "blew up " a laptop once as a result!!)
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Agreed. The worst I got was a cheap replacement off a street without a packaging for a dollar. When I plugged it in for a few minutes the battery turned extremely hit and the battery expanded as if it was a puffer fish that took an electric shock

"Agreed. The worst I got was a cheap replacement off a street without a packaging for a dollar. When I plugged it in for a few minutes the battery turned extremely hit and the battery expanded as if it was a puffer fish that took an electric shock"
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LOL.........mine was a supposed "genuine" DELL replacement battery I got on EB from HK. On the first charge (in the bedroom) heard a strange hissing then a loud "pop". Some of the underside casing was actually melted and there was battery gunge all over the internals!

Buff52 said:
"Agreed. The worst I got was a cheap replacement off a street without a packaging for a dollar. When I plugged it in for a few minutes the battery turned extremely hit and the battery expanded as if it was a puffer fish that took an electric shock"
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LOL.........mine was a supposed "genuine" DELL replacement battery I got on EB from HK. On the first charge (in the bedroom) heard a strange hissing then a loud "pop". Some of the underside casing was actually melted and there was battery gunge all over the internals!
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A lot of things I bought from Hong Kong off Ebay actually came from mainland China pfff.....
It's those low quality defects they send you. Mass market goods in china doesn't require quality passes unlike Hong Kong where it's illegal once they get pass customs.

sh0ne said:
Hello Guys!
I got today a new P3110 and I discacharged it to 2% and I plugged it now to load.
I have seen the charger pushes 2A @ 5V , this is pretty much for a battery of 4Ah, I know from my batteries ( AA AAA and others) that the charging current should be max. 1/3 of the capacity of battery.
So my question is: IS it better to charge it with the Samsung Galaxy S2 charger which provides only 0,[email protected],1V ?
It would last app. 6h to charge it till its full ( can be done over night, hopefully the charger wont melt)....
What do you think about that? Woul it harm to battery(li poly) to do it with small current?
cheers
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OK, electronics 101, chargers DO NOT PUSH power to a a battery, 2 AMPS is the chargers MAXIMUM OUTPUT, the device plugged to the charger PULLS what it wants (up to a maximum of 2A of current) so it can charge in a reasonable amount of time, you may be able to charge your tablet with a lower output charger but all it would do is take longer to charge (if the charger even had the power output greater then the static draw of the device), which is why most tablets simply CANNOT be charged by the USB 2.0 port on a computer or other small .5 A output chargers. You may very well charge while generating less heat, because of the slower charge cycle using the .7A S2 charger, but at the same time if you try to use the tablet while it's charging on the smaller charger it may very well drop in battery percentage as the smaller charger may not be enough to maintain the current requirements to charge the battery and run the device.
So in short, would charging with the smaller charger harm the battery, NO, but if it is enough to actually charge the device it will take atleast DOUBLE the amount of time to recharge as it would with the regular 2A charger.

Fast charging? Is it safe?

First of all . Every night when I go to bed, I like to plug my phone in and charge it while I sleep.
6-7 hrs or so.
Is there a way to stop this fast charge feature , or turn it off. It's a cool addition, however I feel I'm doing more harm leaving it plugged in all night??
Could I just use my old blackberry charger block instead?

markdexter said:
First of all . Every night when I go to bed, I like to plug my phone in and charge it while I sleep.
6-7 hrs or so.
Is there a way to stop this fast charge feature , or turn it off. It's a cool addition, however I feel I'm doing more harm leaving it plugged in all night??
Could I just use my old blackberry charger block instead?
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Technically , yes you can use any charger you'd like. You don't have to stick with the fast charger. I will though , highlight that the fast charger is optimized for the S6 battery and the battery is optimized for it , so there is no harm in keeping the charger plugged in.

You can't damage the battery if you leave it on all night. All phones have special circuitry to stop charging once the battery is full.

Fast charge works by increasing the voltage, not the current. This is a much safer approach for increasing the power transfer from charger to phone. As it is primarily the amperage that increases thermal output etc.
Although the phone will get warm initially while charging, all phones will. But when the battery reaches full capacity, the battery circuit actually says "okie dokie. I've got what I need now. Let's just trickle charge to keep me full till my boss is ready" and hardly any power will flow through, and the temperature will drop.
Actually makes me wonder about setting up a temp/time monitor while charging to see exactly what happens and when now :3
But as others have said, both charger and battery are optimised for it, and it is plenty safe enough. It's what I do!
There is also nothing stopping you using any other (safe and preferably branded) 5v 1A charger. It will just charge slower. Much like what you are already used to. 3-4 hours instead of 1-1.5ish hours.

solitarymonkey said:
Fast charge works by increasing the voltage, not the current.
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Forgive me, I dropped my electrical engineering major, but when we're dealing with direct current, doesn't increasing the voltage by definition increase the current if the resistance doesn't change?
I used the Ampere app to compare the regular charger, from which the phone pulled around a half of an amp, with the fast charger, from which the phone pulled a full amp.

Sallyty said:
Battery life depends on the number of repeated charge and discharge, so should avoid charging the battery is more than power, it will shorten the battery life.
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I'm not really sure what you mean by " so should avoid charging the battery is more than power", but battery lifespan in lithium batteries is decreased by FULL discharges and recharges. The best possible routine for making lithium batteries last is to charge early and often. And as genetichazzard pointed out, there is circuitry included that stops the charging (or trickles it) once it reaches full charge.
"Rapid charging", in general, will cost you life in batteries, but that is usually in reference to 4A-6A rapid charging, where this new Samsung charger still does not exceed 2A. I trust their battery engineers. They've one of two things: they have either engineered the batteries and chargers to last in their first sealed body phone, or they are trying to screw us by making a battery/charging system that will force us to pay for a costly battery replacement. They won't stay in business much longer if they go the second route.

flu13 said:
Forgive me, I dropped my electrical engineering major, but when we're dealing with direct current, doesn't increasing the voltage by definition increase the current if the resistance doesn't change?
I used the Ampere app to compare the regular charger, from which the phone pulled around a half of an amp, with the fast charger, from which the phone pulled a full amp.
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I have no idea of the complexities in the technology, or how the phone itself deals with the current from the charger. But I looked at the fast charger that came with my s6 last night, and it is rated like this;
9V 1.67A
5V 2A
The 9V output provides a 15W of power, whereas the the 5V output provides 10W of power.
And after a little bit of reading (can't site my source now as I forgot the website), it is the current that generates heat in the components (such as wires).
So by upping the voltage, the charger is able to transfer more energy to the phone safer than if manufacturers continued to just increase the current.
There will be a smart switching method of some sort within the charger to go from the 5V circuit to the 9V circuit, with a slightly higher resistance to drop the current.
And before I ramble on without making much sense, that is what I have learnt
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I think you are right,Maybe phones have special circuitry to stop charging once the battery is full.
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You are right. Chargers and rechargeable batteries as a whole have been getting "more intelligent" over recent years.
No idea exactly how they do it, I know that a lot of batteries have chips in the that monitor things such as charge capacity and its "health". So I am assuming that they have some form of circuit switch to a higher resistance circuit when the battery is full, so that only a very tiny current can flow, keeping the battery full, without killing it.

solitarymonkey said:
No idea exactly how they do it, I know that a lot of batteries have chips in the that monitor things such as charge capacity and its "health". So I am assuming that they have some form of circuit switch to a higher resistance circuit when the battery is full, so that only a very tiny current can flow, keeping the battery full, without killing it.
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Almost always, the circuit is built into the charging device, not the battery. In the case of phone batteries, the phone is the charging device.
Link to more than any non battery engineer needs to know about lithium-ion batteries and charging.

DevonSloan said:
Almost always, the circuit is built into the charging device, not the battery. In the case of phone batteries, the phone is the charging device.
Link to more than any non battery engineer needs to know about lithium-ion batteries and charging.
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Thanks for the link/info. A while after I said all that, I started thinking that it can't be right.
The phone does the regulation, but I'm pretty they (the batteries) do have an integrated chip for health stuff.
Cheers again for the correction!

Using a 2A charger

Anyome using a 2A charger instead of a turbo charger?
Like a samsung 2A charger
Or a 2A power bank?
Any issues?
Because 1150 mah is too slow

I was also wondering this.I tried it with my 2,4a ipad charger once and it was charging twice as fast, but i dont know if this is good for the phone. Using the normal charger again to be sure.

With normal 1.2A charger, it takes almost 3+ hours for my phone to fully charge. I used my Galaxy Note 10 charger which is 2A and it got charged in 2 hours. I read it in the forums that even with 2A charger, we cant take the advantage of turbo charging as it will need a charger of 2.4A.
I dont know how 0.4A will make a difference but still, my knowledge is limited in this case and wouldnt want to comment on it.

The charger has to be Qualcomm QC 2.0 certified (that's a specification) to take advantage of the turbo charge mode. The amps put out by the charger is kind of secondary in this situation as the charger and phone both need to be "talking on the same page" i.e. QC 2.0
At that point (charger is QC 2.0) the special circuitry kicks in and goes into turbo mode. So its a little more involved than just throwing more amps at the phone. If you google Qualcomm QC 2.0 specification then it will give you a better idea of what it is all about.
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Turbo charging steps up to 9v and 12v depending on what wattage the phone can handle.
I think our phones are 15w and the Style is 20w or so.
I can't get my phone to charge faster with a 2amp charger though, only my turbo charger.

I used digitech 2.4amp charge ans works like a charm superb....

It isn't causing any issues? Like battery degradation?
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I've been using my Moto turbo charger every night for a couple weeks now and haven't noticed any issues. The phone doesn't seem to let the battery get over 35'C when its charging, so I don't imagine it'll damage the battery.
Think I may get a car charger soon, sometimes I forget to charge at night so it'd be cool to get a full charge on the drive in.

Battery will very likely not last as long when doing fast charging always compared to "normal" charges

Any fact to back that claim?

Im using a Belkin 2.1A charger, no problems whatsoever.

So what's conclusion is it safe to use 2a charger without doing damage to battery

prashu#1 said:
So what's conclusion is it safe to use 2a charger without doing damage to battery
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I'm using a 3a charger and it's fine

You can't harm a battery with a higher amperage output charger. The phone will only consume what it is able to. If the voltage was higher (excluding quick charge adapters) then yes that will do damage, but that's a strange situation as no charger should do that unless it's quick charge.
That being said, on hand I do have a feeling that quick charge can actually do long term damage if used a lot but on the other hand, it seems to limit the maximum temperature to around 38'C. Above 40'C can cause irreversible damage to the cell. I'm using a car charger now and when the phone is in use, it gets up to around 38 or 39 and it cuts back on the charging current.

Interesting article explaining Qualcomm, fast charge, turbo charge using all the same technique under different names. They all use the same Qualcomm technique.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/0...-need-to-know-about-charging-your-smartphone/