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OK, I've searched for days to try and find a fast, stable, sense-ui (Theme-wise) ROM that works on the HTC Hero. I've found tons of ROMS for the G1, I've tried the CyangenMod 6 ROM, I've spent hours searching for a good ROM. CM6 is a bit faster, but occasionally it will hang. (A bit better than stock 2.1) I don't like that a lot of apps don't work (After downloading an app and installing it, you can't click open or find it in your apps list) and I don't like that the fact that you can't group your contacts or have the Sprint/HTC widgets work. (The only widgets I use are the clock and the email, messages, and voice mail widgets that show how many you received.
Please let me know if you use one like that you can recommend.
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OK, I've searched for days to try and find a fast, stable, sense-ui (Theme-wise) ROM that works on the HTC Hero. I've found tons of ROMS for the G1, I've tried the CyangenMod 6 ROM, I've spent hours searching for a good ROM. CM6 is a bit faster, but occasionally it will hang. (A bit better than stock 2.1) I don't like that a lot of apps don't work (After downloading an app and installing it, you can't click open or find it in your apps list) and I don't like that the fact that you can't group your contacts or have the Sprint/HTC widgets work. (The only widgets I use are the clock and the email, messages, and voice mail widgets that show how many you received.
Please let me know if you use one like that you can recommend.
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For a good sense UI rom I would go with Zen rom. You can find it here.
I've been using this rom NFX-Hero 2.2.1 by nfinitefx45. After playing with other roms and the cyanogen ones, i've come back to this one. I've been running this for a couple weeks and it's pretty smooth and stable. So give it a try. Also, nfinitefx45 is one dedicated developer, he actually visits the thread often and help with answering questions, solving problems/bugs!
dawgz said:
I've been using this rom NFX-Hero 2.2.1 by nfinitefx45. After playing with other roms and the cyanogen ones, i've come back to this one. I've been running this for a couple weeks and it's pretty smooth and stable. So give it a try. Also, nfinitefx45 is one dedicated developer, he actually visits the thread often and help with answering questions, solving problems/bugs!
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+1 nfinite's roms are put together well and are fast yet also solid.
I'm using the cyanogen rom. CM6. It's actually running android 2.2 (froyo) instead of 2.1, and I think it has a better keyboard and runs very well. I use the "digital clock widget", and the weather and "news and weather" widget, I think both are available in the Market, but News and weather came with the rom. I miss the bookmarks and calendar widgets from Sense, but its not worth going back. As far as voicmail goes I'm using google voice to handle my it, and there are widgets for it too.
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I'm using the cyanogen rom. CM6. It's actually running android 2.2 (froyo) instead of 2.1, and I think it has a better keyboard and runs very well. I use the "digital clock widget", and the weather and "news and weather" widget, I think both are available in the Market, but News and weather came with the rom. I miss the bookmarks and calendar widgets from Sense, but its not worth going back. As far as voicmail goes I'm using google voice to handle my it, and there are widgets for it too.
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I use CM6 as well, and prefer it over any sense rom but the OP wanted sense so I thought I'd humor myself
The CM6 with CyanogenSense theme looks and feels like my stock Hero, but runs way faster and has a better battery life. Zen makes a great rom, bit imo the CM6 is the way to go.
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I've decided to try making a theme using the tutorial thread number 667951. (I can't post links yet I don't think, so again I'll just use this work around.) That being said, I've decided to stick with NFX-HERO for my ROM since the only thing wrong with it is the boot loop issue which I'm going to try starting from scratch to fix it today. So, the tutorial says that a good starting point for a theme would be to get an existing compatible theme and modify that one. (Great idea in my opinion. I've done this in the past with other phones I had.) Does anyone have an idea of a theme that would be useful for me to start off with? I want to change a lot of things on the phone, so the more intricate the theme is, probably the better.
Also, on a side note, if I remember correctly this thread had 3 pages before the site went down. I'm not sure why it was truncated. If any mods know why, please let me know.
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I've decided to try making a theme using the tutorial thread number 667951. (I can't post links yet I don't think, so again I'll just use this work around.) That being said, I've decided to stick with NFX-HERO for my ROM since the only thing wrong with it is the boot loop issue which I'm going to try starting from scratch to fix it today. So, the tutorial says that a good starting point for a theme would be to get an existing compatible theme and modify that one. (Great idea in my opinion. I've done this in the past with other phones I had.) Does anyone have an idea of a theme that would be useful for me to start off with? I want to change a lot of things on the phone, so the more intricate the theme is, probably the better.
Also, on a side note, if I remember correctly this thread had 3 pages before the site went down. I'm not sure why it was truncated. If any mods know why, please let me know.
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We lost about 2 days posts when the site crashed
i used a theme called blue echo to learn where most things go. and in his rom there is a great vending apk that has the market themed as well. then i took a dialer from one of godzen's and moved it all to compare to my stock 2.1 files and made it work with a rom i am currently running. im just now getting into looking at the apps like clock etc but that was a good start for me since there is alot covered there.
OK, let me ask you this. It'll clear up some things I need to know on compatibility. What makes a theme compatible with one ROM and not another? Likewise, what makes an app compatible with one ROM and not another? Is it the structure? If so, how? I'm a computer programmer, but even though android phones are quite similar to a Linux system on a PC, I'm still not sure if I understand the compatibility issues behind themes.
Also, just so I don't have to post again to ask this in case it's relevant, are Blue Echo and GodZen's dialer compatible with NFX? I downloaded them, but it never said anything about NFX. Is NFX similar to Sprint's 2.1 in the sense that it will run any themes I make for NFX?
well the Rom im using is mostly stock so the framework and htc.resource files are the same. for say CM6 (and i havent looked into it just a example) may have say the status bar grey and i want black. in the stock i would change the statusbar_bkg file in the framework.apk folder but in CM6 it may be in the same plae with a different name or the same name in a different place or just non existent all together. as for if they are compatible the only way to know is to try. the only way to know for sure is to open them compare and replace what you need in the correct order. also i use metamorph to apply themes. you can find it in the market. but the Vending.apk theme must be pushed with adb for some reason or it will crash the market.
matter of fact now that i think of it, the Rom im using is about to incorporate NFX. go here and you an see my post where i put what i transfereed over and they should work as i think NFX is mostly a stock (so to speak) Rom.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=731404&page=41
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I've found tons of ROMS for the G1,
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You are using a Hero, right? Not a G1? That would explain the boot loop issue you had with NFX.
NFX-HERO was listed in the Hero ROMs section. You sure it's only for G1? Would another phone's ROM actually even flash to a different phone properly? I mean it works, but with boot loops.
Yes they will but may it may not work. And I'm sure that Rom is for a hero and I would flash over and look for myself but I have been threw like 5 Rom's today and just got it back normal lol.
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OK, so today I had a chance to wipe and flash the NFX-HERO ROM again. Now the phone seems a bit more stable. I can boot it and it boots all the way up fine and I can click "Shutdown Phone" and have it shutdown without freezing and rebooting, but now right now I've spotted only one flaw. When I use the phone in disk drive mode, but then pull the USB out of the phone without switching it back to charge only, and it freezes and reboots on me. (This happened last time.) I've also noticed that the phone gets increasingly more unstable as time goes on, so I wouldn't doubt that it would do this even more later on.
Correction, no matter what I do, to remove the USB when I use it as a disk drive, the phone freezes and reboots.
Update again: I decided to use RegawMod instead. (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=661991) It's super fast, no bugs from what I can see, highly compatible, and it looks slick! I even used a mod to turn my dialer pink. lol I can see this being my ROM of choice for a long time. The only thing I didn't like was that it was lacking the Google Navigation tools, so I installed GoogleApps.apk (If you're looking for this file, just Google GoogleApps.apk) from another ROM and rebooted me phone (So it would show up) and then it worked just fine. I'm not sure why it isn't showing local listings for destinations first, but that may be just because it didn't catch the GPS location right off the bat. I did set my location settings to being shared.
There is a pink theme in 2.1 catalog if i remember right. If you like pink that might be a good start for you to move the files around to see how they are built.
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NFX-HERO was listed in the Hero ROMs section. You sure it's only for G1? Would another phone's ROM actually even flash to a different phone properly? I mean it works, but with boot loops.
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Haha... I see how that can be misinterpreted.
Yeah, NFX is a Hero ROM, I was asking if you were trying to flash it on a G1, because if you were, it wouldn't work.
I like Regawmod 2.1. Fast with a nice dark theme. Based off of damage control. Just my two cents.
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[size=+2]MINI-SENSE[/size]
Mini-Senseless is a stripped down version of the excellent teppic74 ROM. It fits the "Bravo Sense" AlphaRev partition which gives me 213MB free on data after install, which is plenty enough for me. I've been using this ROM for several days now and haven't had any problems at all. The battery life was also very good.
This ROM was made for my personal use only but I decided to share it because someone else could also find it useful.
Enjoy
Highlights:
Exactly the same as teppic74's ROM v3.1, only lots of applications removed
Fits in 180MB system partition
213MB free on data
Most of the removed applications available on market
Good battery life
What has been changed:
Removed Rosie launcher and all Sense widgets
Removed most of the social apps - Facebook, Peep, FriendStream, etc
Removed all Google apps that are available on the Market - Gmail, YouTube, Maps, etc
Removed the RSS reader
Removed the HTC keyboard
Added Zeam as the default launcher, install another launcher if needed
Added the standard Froyo keyboard
... that's it, I think
Download:
Mini-Sense v1.0 (mirror)
Installation:
Flash "Bravo Sense" HBOOT partition. Instructions are found at the AlphaRev site.
Flash the .zip file from recovery. Erase /data and /cache partitions.
(optional) Flash this addon (mirror) to enable trackball to wake the phone
(optional) Install any of these teppic74 addons: (HIGH) POWERSAVING MODPACK, MINOR TWEAKS, RESTORE BOOTSOUND, A2SD+, SD READAHEAD
Warning:
Use at your own risk!
Do a nandroid backup first!
Do NOT install any addons that add files to /system (very little free space there)
Credits:
teppic74 - for making such a wonderful ROM
tnx for this ROM
I like newest things ....
testing it right now
1 question, this is froyo or ginger sense ?
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1 question, this is froyo or ginger sense ?
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Read the post before asking a stupid question
one small question: what brings an Sense ROM without the Sense "goodness" (Widgets, Rosie usw.)? There are enough "stock" Andoid ROMs!?
it gives you the other htc functionalities, such as linking contacts to fb accounts n pictures which is quite lacking on AOSP, if you miss the widgets so bad try LauncherPro, or stick to sense...
Is the linking funktion not a part of Friedstream?
Or is the Facebook provider a seperate part?
Has nothing to do with friendstream, its an HTC feature...
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Its an HTC feature but it is also built into stock. The difference is that it isn't so aesthetically pleasing on stock.
But I think I agree with the above. I love the idea of a mini sense rom, but the Widgets are some of the best features of sense. Without them I fail to see the point in sense over stock? Plus, surely our memory will just go down again to stock once I install the Google apps I need which is pretty much all of them?
Great idea though
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I had something like this on my to do list for a while before I was distracted by other things.
I really appreciate this here, thank you.
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it gives you the other htc functionalities, such as linking contacts to fb accounts n pictures which is quite lacking on AOSP, if you miss the widgets so bad try LauncherPro, or stick to sense...
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Now that is just perfect, I don't particularly like the sense launcher, so I tried using AOSP roms. I liked the oxygen rom since it's blazingly fast, it does have some issues that I can work around, but I cannot LIVE without the "People" app.
Now I realize why it's called one of the 7 wonders of the new smartphone apps
Sounds good. Been looking for something like this since Supervillain stopped being updated. I've been using Sense for the last few weeks so will see if i can switch over again. New memory card arriving this week so will try it out then.
Well, there are certain benefits even if you have widgets stripped off from a Sense ROM. For example:
- Stability! - all latest stock ROMs have different issues (light sensor, 2 sec delay, USB speed, reboots once in a while, etc)
- Dialer / People are more advanced than stock
- Little HTC improvements, like the dialog when USB is connected
- HTC lock screen, which I find more pleasant to use
- Camera app is better
- Album app is better than Gallery
- ... lots of other small things
I realize most bullets from the list above are a matter of personal preference, that is why I have stated in my first post that this ROM is made to suit my needs. If someone else finds it useful - I'd be glad to hear that... just take it as it is
Cheers
so this is a sense rom with some of the best parts of sense ripped out?
Thanx alot!! i appreciate the effort. One slight concern how is the battery life when compared to gingerbread roms as i am getting very good battery life on cm7.
Athar.r said:
Thanx alot!! i appreciate the effort. One slight concern how is the battery life when compared to gingerbread roms as i am getting very good battery life on cm7.
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I've been using this ROM for over a week now. Before that I was on Redux and Oxygen for several weeks. I would say the battery life is comparable. This is my opinion of course, your mileage may vary.
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so this is a sense rom with some of the best parts of sense ripped out?
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Not to me. I don't use Sense launcher, widgets, RSS, Peep or FriendStream. Everything else (Sense related) is included in the ROM (or could be installed later). If you define these as "the best parts of sense" then you'd better take a look at some of the other Sense ROMs available.
I want to go back on what I originally said. I have to say, I think the idea in principal is great - I just feel too many things have been cut out for my liking. I wonder, since you say you deleted all HTC widgets, does this mean you have removed the standard htc flip clock with the weather + weather animations? They are possibly my favourite sense features...? I would certainly give it a go if they were still in it, or would it be easy to add them back in?
Also, I currently use A2SD and never fill it. Would the extra 100mb or so be enough for me to make the jump onto this non a2sd rom?
One more question, can the mods from teppic74 rom thread mentioned in the first post also be applied to this rom? I would like to try some of the addons if yes. Btw the rom feels great so far. Thanx
Is'ent thos ROM possible without S-Off? cant get it to work, the S-Off that is...
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::NOTE ON ALL LOCKSCREEN INCLUDED VERSIONS::
The lockscreen-included versions of the MikG roms 2.57 and beyond have had several apk's left intact to maintain the ability to change the lockscreen shortcuts and style. After you have customized the Lockscreen to your liking you may use a root explorer type app and remove those apk's. Or you can use titanium backup and freeze them so that in the future if you wish to change the lockscreen again you can un-freeze them. Either way you choose to do it, here are the two apk's.
Rosie.apk/odex (will be called "sense" in titanium Backup)
MyHTC.apk/odex
::NEWEST RELEASES::
The Classic V0.0.3 Senseless, Nolock 10/28/2011 9:15PM CST
MikG 2.58 WIRED Theme for NOLOCK 10/26/2011 10:18PM CST
MynWarm Themes customized for RLS1 Senseless roms. On DL Page below 10/25/2011 3:25cst
MikG 2.58 Lockscreen included cst - 10/20/2011 12:15PM cst
MigK 2.58 Nolock - 10/20/2011 12:15PM cst
Synergy RLS1 Lockscreen included - 10/15/2011 2:12am cst
Synergy RLS1 NoLock - 10/15/2011 2:13am cst
:: DESCRIPTION OF WHAT THESE ROMS ARE:::
These are all senseless roms, Will have versions with and without the Lockscreens eventually. They maintain all the sense programs except for rosie and it's widgets and customization utilities. In terms of launchers, rosie is very large. Just for ease of explaination purposes, here is a comparison *of course ram usage is more important than this, but you will get the point and I can't quote amounts of free ram because of different AMM settings and not having an evo myself anyways*
Synergy RLS1 Original download Size::: 297MB
Synergy RLS1 Senseless ::: 254MB
Synergy RLS1 Senseless NO HTC Lockscreen::: 208MB
So you get to drop 43MB by getting rid of rosie and it's widgets and another 46MB by getting rid of the Lockscreen and all the leftover stuff that can then be removed by having the lockscreen and rosie gone. And remember these include GoLauncher already LOL. You get the point.
It turns out making everything perform smoother and faster, and you get to use whatever launcher you prefer without rosie and garbage running in the background.
HTC versions of SMS, Email, Contacts, Dialer, etc are left there because they really work well together.
:: BUGS ::
None for any of the current roms, please let me know what you find.
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Alright lets see what you got. Looking forward to trying it out. BTW, thanks for providing the mirrors earlier.
Great idea I was gonna do this myself but haven't had time...senseless Rom seem to save battery life on gingerbread sense roms. By the way is there a way u can just include the 3.0 message apk also .
Thanks
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If you are wanting a Senseless Rom why not just use an Asop or CM Rom? You can still add Go launcher or LPP or ADW launchers and Beautiful Widgets or Fancy Widgets. As of now with ASOP with gingerbread 2.3.4 you don't have all the camera or gps issues you have with Sense 3.0. And most sense ports now are using a mix of the older sense's (1.0-2.0 and 2.1).
"Hell I don't know anymore"
selders59 said:
If you are wanting a Senseless Rom why not just use an Asop or CM Rom? You can still add Go launcher or LPP or ADW launchers and Beautiful Widgets or Fancy Widgets. As of now with ASOP with gingerbread 2.3.4 you don't have all the camera or gps issues you have with Sense 3.0. And most sense ports now are using a mix of the older sense's (1.0-2.0 and 2.1).
"Hell I don't know anymore"
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I also run a "rosieless" sense rom. I don't use the Rosie launcher or the widgets. I DO enjoy all of the Sense applications a lot better than aosp apps. Sense also has a much tighter integration with its different apps, Facebook, etc. The dialer looks up names as you dial, aosp does not do that. The messaging and mail apps are superior than aosp imho. All of the notifications on the lock screen I enjoy more. I can go on and on. Just because you don't use the Rosie launcher doesn't mean its aosp, far from it.
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Yes this I know. I have been around long enough with these devices to know that not running the rosie launcher does not make it ASOP. I have run just about every os that is out there. Including using my old TP2 in dual boot mode when they first started doing that.
I have run my Evo with no sense last year, so this is no new concept to most of us. Calkulin made an app last year to remove the sense apps in one shot if you did not want to use all the bloat.
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I also run a "rosieless" sense rom. I don't use the Rosie launcher or the widgets. I DO enjoy all of the Sense applications a lot better than aosp apps. Sense also has a much tighter integration with its different apps, Facebook, etc. The dialer looks up names as you dial, aosp does not do that. The messaging and mail apps are superior than aosp imho. All of the notifications on the lock screen I enjoy more. I can go on and on. Just because you don't use the Rosie launcher doesn't mean its aosp, far from it.
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"Hell I don't know anymore"
CM mods are great. I prefer it as my choice for AOSP roms, but I would still prefer a senseless rom. The only things I think CM mods have as an edge to sensless roms are the option to unlock your phone without pressing the "ok" button, and better battery life.
Looking forward to this rom. If you manage to keep it sensless but keep the 3.0 lockscreen, that would be pretty impressive!
ASOP roms have gps issues, I did not find a permanent solution for it in any forum.
If you want a 100% working perfect rom you can try Ginger-AleV2 or MikG 0.51, both are Android 2.3.3 Sense 2.1 with latest 2.3.4 gtalk video. I flashed Ginger-AleV2, then got GoLauncherEx from Market (free).
Update:
Permanent GPS solution here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=14534313&postcount=2478
selders59 said:
If you are wanting a Senseless Rom why not just use an Asop or CM Rom? You can still add Go launcher or LPP or ADW launchers and Beautiful Widgets or Fancy Widgets. As of now with ASOP with gingerbread 2.3.4 you don't have all the camera or gps issues you have with Sense 3.0. And most sense ports now are using a mix of the older sense's (1.0-2.0 and 2.1).
"Hell I don't know anymore"
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Camera works better on this rom than on AOSP roms, plus you get 720p recording back. And it runs smooth enough to actually use 720p recording.
There is a noticeable screen smoothness to htc stock kernels that I can't get with any aosp rom. If you use them side by side, even with evodeck's or cyanogen's latest you can see that the HTC builds just look smoother.
and you can really notice this in games. I play a lot of games, not the really high end hard for our phones to play type of games (well a few of them) but even in ****in Chuzzle you notice a huge difference LOL.
Normally with All the Sense **** eating up all the resources the games on HTC builds don't run very well, but when you slim down to an easier to run launcher and everything they run so damn purdy.
GPS is perfect
##codes work
tight program integration like mentioned with stock dialer, facebook, twitter, etc.
Rosieless sense-based I think is the perfect way to go. You get all the performance of AOSP without any of the downsides. Working on fixing everything and getting this up, I fell asleep last night.
The HTC Facebook I accidentally took out and the MMS are going to be back in this one
HTC Facebook rocks. No ****ty facebook program, just contact sync WOOT. haha. I can't stand the facebook program. Full desktop version of the website in Dolphin Browser 5.0b2 HD is the way to go.
So with the next"release" or whatever, will you have the text messaging apk back?
Excited to try this out!
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LMMT said:
Alright lets see what you got. Looking forward to trying it out. BTW, thanks for providing the mirrors earlier.
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hey someone remembered me LOL Sweeeet.
I want all of XDA to use that ftp as a mirror if they want to. But I don't want to create a post and get flamed by people like:
Oh you think you are cool cuz you pay for a ****ty little server, we don't want to use your mirror you weirdo.
People get so harsh on here sometimes I could see something weird like that happening lol.
It says sense 3.0 lock screen but where can I update it? The sense 3.0 has the short cuts and different typed, I can't go into personalize and change any of that..
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Skydeaner..quick question...if I want to give this a go and I am using Vaelek's latest (been for Month's now) with a2sd already set up...how would I go about flashing this ROM..I used to flash like crazy till Val's ROM and now I do not know what to do (as far as wiping the phone--do I just wipe data, cache and dalvik, or do I have to also wipe ext's) since I am using a2sd..
p.s. I am using AmonRa 2.3...thanks
Yeah, im pretty sure wipe sd-ext is required,but don't take my word for it.
@skydeaner, yeah thanks for the hosting. Thanks for this senseless rom. Probably gonna check it out, just first gonna find screens of what go launcher is like. I usually use adw and LP. Havebt seen go.
At selders59, senseless is a million miles from aosp and cannot be compared.
@ all. Cheesynuts just dropped link for official evo3d from 911htc. Woohoo
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lockscreen numbers are misaligned.
Hmmmmm...Interesting Oh and for the record..(i have to put this out there), it's AOSP (Android Open Source Project)
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Hmmmmm...Interesting Oh and for the record..(i have to put this out there), it's AOSP (Android Open Source Project)
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Actually, im pretty sure it's 'android open sores project'
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does anybody mind posting some Screen shots? Wouldn't mind taking a peak inside before wiping my phone
skydeaner said:
Working on fixing everything and getting this up, I fell asleep last night.
The HTC Facebook I accidentally took out and the MMS are going to be back in this one
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Curious to try this but would like to when it's been updated with the above. Looks promising, thanks for doing this! XDA rocks......
Cool - I like this, feels like a hybrid. For those who have tried AOSP roms, this looks like AOSP with better features from sense, like the weather widget, notification icons, contacts & phone dialer app, and of course the sense 3.0 lockscreen. I think the contacts and dialer apps in AOSP needs a lot of improvement, just my opinion. Thanks Skydeaner.
I was messing around with my phone and i found Go Launcher. I when messing around with that i like it so much and i want to know is it possible to replace htc sense with Go Launcher? To add more detail to my question is removing it off my phone through a root explore and replacing it with Go Launcher? Will that work? and how?
Yep.
Download whatever launcher you want to use ( I used ADW, you can use Go, or anything else that works).
Ensure that it works by playing with it for a little bit.
Once you are sure it's working correctly, hit your home button and select your new launcher as the default. (don't skip this step)
After you have your new launcher as the default, using Root Explorer (or File Expert, both of those i've tested - others may work) navigate to and delete:
/system/app/rosie.apk
/system/app/rosie.odex
/data/data/com.htc.launcher
Exit your file manager and reboot your system.
Done.
That's the quick and dirty method.
I'd recommend using something like "Absolute System" to first delete the data, then uninstall HTC Sense (make sure the file paths correspond to what I wrote above) and then going back to manually delete /system/app/rosie.odex
Absolute System won't get .odex files, so uninstalling system apps this way means you have to go back and clean it up yourself for the .odex files.
Also, you lose the HTC myTouch Power Control and a handful of other widgets in this process.
I am experimenting now with deleting/uninstalling other system packages (like fusion, open sense plugin manager and so forth) to see where it causes problems, but that's still preliminary at the moment.
I made a thread about this Here which i'll be updating in another few days once I get my new battery settled in and can continue.
Meantime, just uninstalling the HTC Sense launcher and replacing it with another one works well, and still allows full functionality of the stock camera app, as long as the rosie.apk -.odex and corresponding /data/data file is all you remove.
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Yep.
Download whatever launcher you want to use ( I used ADW, you can use Go, or anything else that works).
Ensure that it works by playing with it for a little bit.
Once you are sure it's working correctly, hit your home button and select your new launcher as the default. (don't skip this step)
After you have your new launcher as the default, using Root Explorer (or File Expert, both of those i've tested - others may work) navigate to and delete:
/system/app/rosie.apk
/system/app/rosie.odex
/data/data/com.htc.launcher
Exit your file manager and reboot your system.
Done.
That's the quick and dirty method.
I'd recommend using something like "Absolute System" to first delete the data, then uninstall HTC Sense (make sure the file paths correspond to what I wrote above) and then going back to manually delete /system/app/rosie.odex
Absolute System won't get .odex files, so uninstalling system apps this way means you have to go back and clean it up yourself for the .odex files.
Also, you lose the HTC myTouch Power Control and a handful of other widgets in this process.
I am experimenting now with deleting/uninstalling other system packages (like fusion, open sense plugin manager and so forth) to see where it causes problems, but that's still preliminary at the moment.
I made a thread about this Here which i'll be updating in another few days once I get my new battery settled in and can continue.
Meantime, just uninstalling the HTC Sense launcher and replacing it with another one works well, and still allows full functionality of the stock camera app, as long as the rosie.apk -.odex and corresponding /data/data file is all you remove.
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Nice thanks i'm trying adw.launcher the app-drawer seems slow?
Yea, switch it to vertical view in settings.
(on desktop, hit menu, then more, then ADW settings, you'll find it in there)
It helps - i'm trying to see if there's a conflict with ADW fighting against anything HTC has running on the device, i'm using ADW since i'm pretty familiar with it at this point from my Nook Color, it's the 'stock' launcer for CM7 there.
I noticed that after loading the app drawer the first time, it hasn't been an issue.
I'd love to hear more about your experiences with this, it's a learning experience for us all at this point.
Ok i was think renaming go launcher as rosie.apk so it can boot up on its on. Unless there is some xml or cfg file some where i can edit and rename it.
Update:
I completely replaced htc sense with go launcher everything seems to work perfectly fine. i like this launcher way better less ram and fast too.
Update 2:
I renamed it to rosie.apk after that I pressed the home button. It opened up go launcher and the camera is still working correctly.
Update 3:
Personalize doesn't work if you remove htc sense.
Question: does having another launcher without uninstalling sense significantly impact performance? I'd rather not have to root and delete sense at the moment.
On another note, is anyone slightly fed up by how lackluster the optimization of Sense was for this phone? Since I'm coming from the original MyTouch, I was used to non-smooth performance, but today I installed 7 launcher and I was amazed by how comparitively smooth it ran, despite "just" being a market app. I just installed golauncher after seeing this thread and am just as amazed. So smooth!
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Question: does having another launcher without uninstalling sense significantly impact performance? I'd rather not have to root and delete sense at the moment.
On another note, is anyone slightly fed up by how lackluster the optimization of Sense was for this phone? Since I'm coming from the original MyTouch, I was used to non-smooth performance, but today I installed 7 launcher and I was amazed by how comparitively smooth it ran, despite "just" being a market app. I just installed golauncher after seeing this thread and am just as amazed. So smooth!
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Before I removed sense. All you had to do really was set a default launcher then killing sense with a tasks/processes manager. But i went ahead and removed it because i really want one launcher and i don't want the phone booting up to sense then others.
As well as it works, bear in mind this is just a slap-it-together fix.
None of the underlying frameworks that actually power the launcher are gone with the removal of rosie.apk, simply the launcher itself. (well, on the surface at least)
Yes, there is a slight performance gain, but nothing like what it would be if you actually went in and pulled everything behind the launcher that powers it.
Doing that, of course, would compromise the camera.apk, and most likely the whole rest of the phone in the process. It's likely that a new/different phone.apk would be needed, as well as most of the apps on the device.
(I don't know for sure yet whether phone.apk is tied to the sense frameworks, but I have barely begun looking into the .apk's we get with the phone, so don't take that out of context.)
Replacing the launcher, no problem. Ripping out Sense itself...we're quite a bit away from that at the moment. You can pull the launcher on the surface and still have a stable, running system.
I'd venture to guess, though I haven't checked for sure, any performance gains from removing the sense launcher are nullified by whatever launcher you replace it with.
That doesn't mean you shouldn't experiment, and I personally don't like the Sense launcher too much. I like some stuff about it, but what I don't like about it makes it worth it to me to trade it out for something else now.
At the moment i'm running the stock launcher again while I build my battery stats file up again, but as soon as that's done i'm back to ADW and ripping out the guts of this stock rom to figure out what needs what.
Now, the cool thing about removing the Sense launcher is there are a slew of widgets that won't run without it, so you can dump them as well since they don't do anything anymore.
Combining dropping the Sense launcher with all the widgets it doesn't need anymore, and the lists we are making in a few places in this forum about what you can/can't delete/freeze you can see a significant performance gain.
I just want to dispell the illusion that removing the Sense launcher removes Sense itself, they are two different things. As we decompile and sift through the software on the phone we'll figure out what we can and can't get away with.
Don't forget there are other things to get rid of to truly remove the Sense launcher, such as /system/framework/com.htc.rosie.jar (and corresponding .odex file) .
What I posted in the second post of this thread is enough to get it out of the way so you can use something else, but a far cry from removing it entirely. The deeper you dig, the less stable it all becomes. Until someone releases a rom that starts from the ground up, there's only so much we can get away with starting from the top down.
Meantime, though, everything we're doing here and talking about is helping the people who will develop a rom get an idea of how the system works. Threads like this and the questions being asked and answered are a big help.
And of course, this is all good fun too. Android is like legos, you can basically just build what you want with whatever pieces you want to use. Android is pretty robust and self-correcting, you have to do something drastic (like delete phone.apk) to break it.
sonicjam - I was messing around with launchers again since I got my battery taken care of and i'd forgotten what GO was like.
I tried to use GO launcher a while ago, but on the Nook Color, which is really underpowered for such a thing. It didn't run so well and I put it out of my mind.
I downloaded it and started playing with it, and now that I have a piece of hardware that can run it well, it's a fantastic piece of software.
All the different fun options to have it change pages are pretty cool, and my lady was really getting a kick out of it all.
I think I found my new favorite launcher, I just wanted to say thanks for turning me on to it! It really makes the phone fun to play with.
I love the fact that I can have as many desktop screens as I want, and this device can handle quite a few...I now have enough space to never have to go in my app drawer again and not be all cluttered.
Once we get a custom rom, or figure out how to remove Sense itself, this is going to become my permanent launcher. In the meantime i'll keep using it.
I just can't get over how smooth it runs on this device, it really is amazing.
Just wanted to say thanks!
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Question: does having another launcher without uninstalling sense significantly impact performance? I'd rather not have to root and delete sense at the moment.
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I know you also said in your post that you like GO launcher, and i'm definitely a convert now, but if you want something that will give you a significant performance boost, Zeam launcher is the most lightweight launcher on the market.
(maybe MoDaCo's port of the gingerbread launcher is about as fast, it's hard to tell)
Went from a G2 to this One S yesterday. I'm not too impressed.
No dedicated menu button
There is enough room for one on the bottom but they only put 3.
What happens now is that Android (or Sense or something) detects when there are menu options and puts a button on the screen for it taking away real estate from the application.
No trackball
I used this a lot on my G2 especially on web pages with small links that I didn't want to missclick. I already miss it. I also used the trackball wake feature in CM on my G2. Now there is only one way to turn the screen on and its a little hard to do one handed. The trackball was in a very natural position to turn on with your thumb. Now without it, it is very awkward to power on with your thumb, you have to hold it very high and I'm affraid of dropping it. Alternatively I could turn it on with my index finger but it spreads my hand way out and still feels weird.
No folders
I'm not sure if this is an ICS thing or a Sense thing (because this phone is an unholy bastardization), but I can't figure out a way to create folders on my home screens. I'm not talking about the Sense folders for applications either. In normal Android builds you can add shortcuts, widgets, folders. The Pandora application shipped with a folder called "My Stations" or something like that. I used this because it only took up 1x1 on a homescreen and let me choose which station was opened. Without it, you need to open the application and it immediately starts playing the last radio station. This is annoying.
Resolution
The DPI isn't any better than my G2, its just a bigger screen. This is pretty disappointing. I would like a crisper display in a flagship device.
Bloat
Its pretty bad. I know most users want Facebook, Twitter, Dropbox, etc... but how about you let us select what we want during the phone setup.
Misc
This is my first Sense device and my first ICS device so again, not sure where this crap is coming from.... When you install an application it creates a shortcut for it on one of your home screens. Putting a shortcut is the simplist thing you can do in Android, why not leave it for the use to do if they want to do it.
On my way to work I was listening to I Heart Radio and while the live streams were okay when I went to the "pandora"-like functionality it would only play one song and then stop. This never happened on my G2. Don't know whats going on here.
I don't care for the browser (which they stupidly call "internet").
I don't care for all of the account options. I went to share a page in the browser, I wanted to email it to myself. So when I went to share page it let me select how to share it. I got "Facebook for HTC Sense", "Mail", "Twitter for HTC Sense", and "Dropbox". I did set up Facebook, but I did not set up mail, twitter, or dropbox. What I wanted was GMail which I had to select "See all..." Then I saw a plethora of garbage bloat that they bundle with the phone and had to scroll down to get to GMail. After I went though this experience I went to share another page to see if GMail showed up at the top... it didn't.
I'm sure I'll have more complaints the more I use it. I used my fiance's upgrade for this one but I get an upgrade in 3 months. If CM9 isn't out by then she'll be using this phone and I'll upgrade to a SGSIII or that yet to be named quad-core LG phone.
Summary
CM9 can't come fast enough.
EDIT
I'll add some good things here.
Good things
Again, this is coming from a G2 so in 2 years things should be better anyways....
It is very thin, and very light.
It has a front facing camera which my G2 did not.
The flashlight, though not as bright as the "High Brightness" Cyanogenmod setting on the G2, is still pretty bright.
The speaker seems to put out a lot of sound. Can't attest to the quality yet but the volume is there.
EDIT #2
Some more good and bad....
Skype Useless
... probably related to Wifi crackling. One of the things I was looking forward to with this phone was the ability to make video calls via Skype. My fiance has an iPad2, my in-laws each have a G2X, and my brother has a SGSII. Skype is useless on this device. There is echoing / cracking and video lag even when on Wifi. I called my brother with this One S and it was useless. I then called him on an iPad2 and it was great. I'm wondering if the problem has to do with Beats Audio. We'll have to wait for an AOSP ROM without Beats to find out.
So I unlocked/rooted/ROM'd ...
I am now running Black Dragon 4.0. I LOVE the menu hack to get rid of the stupid 3 dot menu on all the screens. I like that they kept the ability to longpress home to get the default behavior as well. The launcher seems nice though I haven't played with it too much (which is a good thing, means they have good defaults).
Can't wait for the kernel sources to be released so we can make some more CM9 progress. I really miss the buttons in the dropdown for wifi, brightness, bluetooth, etc. Now I have to dropdown, click settings, scroll down and find brighness.
How's the battery life? My G2 has some HORRENDOUS battery... like it can drain 20% an hour... I go to school for like 6/7 hours and I can leave with like a <20% battery life. Currently using MIUI because that seems to be the best battery life.
Edit: As for a menu button, Google is trying to get rid of that. I read a post about it a couple of months ago. They say it was useless. I completely disagree because I use it quite a lot. I use it way more than the search button which I have literally probably used less than 30 times and I've been on an Android device since the G1 came out.
For everything you just said mostly there are workarounds.
The deidcated menu button now exists through roms...the three button thing on screen is removed. Change of dpi works fine on no sense roms I'm set on 195 on sense not as good. Play market you can stop adding apps onto screens
Bloat just remove yourself root explorer..
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Battery lifes good also...
As I said workarounds exist
Also get a different launcher and ditch sense or just get Nova or apex
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Love this. G2 FOORRREEEVVVAAAAHHHH
.ili.music.ili. said:
How's the battery life? My G2 has some HORRENDOUS battery... like it can drain 20% an hour... I go to school for like 6/7 hours and I can leave with like a <20% battery life.
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I'm the wrong person to ask about battery life (at least during the week). I work in one of these new fancy energy efficient "Green" buildings. We have coating on our windows that block UV with the side effect of also blocking cellular signals. Everyone that works here puts their phones on airplane mode to save battery because we have 0 signal and the phone search all day.
I'll know better this weekend about battery life.
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For everything you just said mostly there are workarounds.
The deidcated menu button now exists through roms...the three button thing on screen is removed. Change of dpi works fine on no sense roms I'm set on 195 on sense not as good. Play market you can stop adding apps onto screens
Bloat just remove yourself root explorer..
Battery lifes good also...
As I said workarounds exist
Also get a different launcher and ditch sense or just get Nova or apex
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How did they implement the dedicated menu button?
How do I ditch Sense?... what is Nova / apex?
Do I need root to install another launcher?
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FunkyELF said:
How did they implement the dedicated menu button?
How do I ditch Sense?... what is Nova / apex?
Do I need root to install another launcher?
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no you can install launchers without root..from market just look for them
to ditch sense though you will need root..and to change dpi you will need root..my advice root lol
by ditching sense i mean install a non sense rom like black dragon or untouchables that strip sense away so the majority is ice cream sandwich without the bloatfest. some apps will be kept in but just use root explorer to rid the rom of it.
the dedicated menu button and ridding the screen of the three dots at the bottom is also because its been taken away and remapped by devs..so again..you need root
most of all..development will kick in soon..so better to root..or if not just use a different launcher but you dont really accomplish what your setting out to do
leedroid should be here soon with a rom,and will do away with most of the bloat anyway...so youll keep sense and most things you complained about will be sorted..
the main thing here is..root..worth it..yes..without..pointless and youll be stuck with htcs crap stock rom..pretty poor for me..but coming from another phone with loads of development..probably biased of how it should be
No Folders?
Just long-tap on the icon and drag it to another icon. THe folder will creat automaticly.
FunkyELF said:
Went from a G2 to this One S yesterday. I'm not too impressed.
No dedicated menu button
Root and ROM it. People are remapping the multitask key as the menu button, and hold-home now does the multitask. You're on XDA, so I assume you're enthused enough to root and ROM it.
No trackball
Seriously. Please find me an Android device with a trackball nowadays. It's gone...you're just gonna have to deal with it.
Resolution
This display seems pretty crisp. We're working with phones with relatively small displays. There's only so many pixels you can pack into until it doesn't even matter. 720p is about as far as we need to go on phone screens. The qHD screen on this phone has vivid colors and all the qualities of Super AMOLED. The resolution seems plenty high to me. Are you starting 1inch away from the phone and observing pixels?
Bloat
Welcome to flagship carrier devices. Again, you're on XDA, and fully capable of rooting it and removing all that crap. The G2 was a 1-off device that had pretty much stock Android. Consider it a Nexus device, more or less. With a flagship phone, you're going to get bloatware.
Misc
This is my first Sense device and my first ICS device so again, not sure where this crap is coming from.... When you install an application it creates a shortcut for it on one of your home screens. Putting a shortcut is the simplist thing you can do in Android, why not leave it for the use to do if they want to do it.
Sense has nothing to do with this. The new Google Play Store now by default places new apps' icons on the homescreen. It's as easy as going to the prefs in Play Store and disabling. Blame Google if you're going to blame someone.
On my way to work I was listening to I Heart Radio and while the live streams were okay when I went to the "pandora"-like functionality it would only play one song and then stop. This never happened on my G2. Don't know whats going on here.
Don't know what to tell you, but it's obvious that you're describing some sort of software issue, not a hardware issue. If it worked fine on the live streams, then your data connection worked. Talk to iHeartRadio.
I don't care for the browser (which they stupidly call "internet").
So install a new one! ICS Browser+ is exactly like the stock browser. There's also Chrome and Opera. Cmon...
I don't care for all of the account options. I went to share a page in the browser, I wanted to email it to myself. So when I went to share page it let me select how to share it. I got "Facebook for HTC Sense", "Mail", "Twitter for HTC Sense", and "Dropbox". I did set up Facebook, but I did not set up mail, twitter, or dropbox. What I wanted was GMail which I had to select "See all..." Then I saw a plethora of garbage bloat that they bundle with the phone and had to scroll down to get to GMail. After I went though this experience I went to share another page to see if GMail showed up at the top... it didn't.
This is the one thing I disliked and will agree with you on, although once again, rooting and ROMing can take care of it. That or removing bloatware.
I'm sure I'll have more complaints the more I use it. I used my fiance's upgrade for this one but I get an upgrade in 3 months. If CM9 isn't out by then she'll be using this phone and I'll upgrade to a SGSIII or that yet to be named quad-core LG phone.
Suit yourself. 4.7 inches is just too big, and at these speeds, you're at the mercy of your data connection, not the processor.
Summary
CM9 can't come fast enough.
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I think nearly all of your points are moot. A lot of your review seems to be based on your lack of willingness to change some preferences and MANAGE your device. If you were on a G2, then you never had to manage stuff like this. Consider it a new experience. If you wanted stock Android, you should've gotten a Galaxy Nexus. I just upgraded from a Nexus S and while I screamed at first at all the Sense crap, I quickly had it rooted, debloated, de-Sensed, and up and running with a nice, fast ROM (Black Magic 4.0).
Give it time. The phone JUST came out.
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I think nearly all of your points are moot. A lot of your review seems to be based on your lack of willingness to change some preferences and MANAGE your device. If you were on a G2, then you never had to manage stuff like this. Consider it a new experience. If you wanted stock Android, you should've gotten a Galaxy Nexus. I just upgraded from a Nexus S and while I screamed at first at all the Sense crap, I quickly had it rooted, debloated, de-Sensed, and up and running with a nice, fast ROM (Black Magic 4.0).
Give it time. The phone JUST came out.
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i agree with you there,its all about learning curves..no sense roms are fairly close to stock..its just the settings that are different now..he_stheone has already added certain elements of stock android..so its fairly close..just the settings..that are the main difference now.
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No Folders?
Just long-tap on the icon and drag it to another icon. THe folder will creat automaticly.
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Those aren't the folders I'm talking about. I think what I'm talking about are called live folders. In AOSP builds of Android when you long press on an empty space on one of your screens you can choose widgets, folders, shortcuts, contacts, and other things I can't remember.
With Sense you only get widgets and shortcuts.... no folders, no contacts, etc... just widgets and shortcuts.
Isn't that minor thing?
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I just upgraded from a Nexus S and while I screamed at first at all the Sense crap, I quickly had it rooted, debloated, de-Sensed, and up and running with a nice, fast ROM (Black Magic 4.0).
Give it time. The phone JUST came out.
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I didn't see this one listed in the ALL ROMS post here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1584163
Where is the info on that ROM?
Dude its in development section
Black dragon 4.0
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nickmv said:
I think nearly all of your points are moot. A lot of your review seems to be based on your lack of willingness to change some preferences and MANAGE your device. If you were on a G2, then you never had to manage stuff like this. Consider it a new experience. If you wanted stock Android, you should've gotten a Galaxy Nexus. I just upgraded from a Nexus S and while I screamed at first at all the Sense crap, I quickly had it rooted, debloated, de-Sensed, and up and running with a nice, fast ROM (Black Magic 4.0).
Give it time. The phone JUST came out.
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Going to have to side with you on this one. This phone is definitly a great device, give it some time, dig in a little bit. Much better than my Tmo-SGS2.
most of things you mentioned isnt a "bad thing" just you dont know how to operate the phone, or its just different (opinion at that point).
Also you didnt like things which are for all devices, not just one S
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Those aren't the folders I'm talking about. I think what I'm talking about are called live folders. In AOSP builds of Android when you long press on an empty space on one of your screens you can choose widgets, folders, shortcuts, contacts, and other things I can't remember.
With Sense you only get widgets and shortcuts.... no folders, no contacts, etc... just widgets and shortcuts.
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The long press, dragging and combining of icons together is AOSP folders in Ice Cream Sandwich. The long press on the desktop to add folder is long gone and is not coming back.
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Dude its in development section
Black dragon 4.0
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Sorry... you said Black Magic, not Black dragon.
I'll give it a try in a couple weeks. I like to use my phone a bit before rooting to make sure I didn't get a lemon.
Does the camera work on this one?
Just got the phone and here are my negatives:
1. With lowest brightness setting the screen is horrible (but if you increase it a bit, its ok)
2. No switches in pulldown menu ? I though Sense always had that.....
3. Bottom plastic is not 100% flush at one corner (maybe will exchange, maybe not)
4. In navigation I just couldnt find "setting" button anywhere.....whats up with that ?
gonna go to Verizon and compare to Nexus....I still need Tmo SIM and stores are in same place anyway....I am not a phone freak not wasting time here
Its also very true that until you have 2 devices in hand you cant really compare screen quality...I though my G2x IPS panel for super great, but compared to One S its very warm colored and whites have red tint. Its also hard to use in lowest brightness even in dark room....but with G2x case its because screen is simply too dark, with One S its bright but disgusting to look at due to some "noise"