I was surprised to not see a thread created already in General Discussion for this topic.
As AndroidandMe reported last week, ASUS was rumored to be creating the first Nexus branded Tablet with a price between $200-$250. As the week went on, more rumors swirled (and are starting to look pretty solid at this point) that ASUS will in fact be making the first Nexus (7") Tablet featuring stock Android 4.0, a dual-core Qualcomm processor (potentially the Snapdragon S4) and is looking to be priced at $149!
At this point, even though the first Nexus Tablet won't be a quad-core, this is looking like a really sweet deal. I personally will probably replace my Kindle Fire with this if the specs stand true.
Anyway, just figured I'd start a discussion. Here are some source links:
Initial Rumor
Digitime Echos Rumor of Nexus Tablet by ASUS
Source Says Tablet Is A "Done Deal"
Additional Article One
Additional Article Two
It does sound pretty good except I can't bring myself to pay more than $150 for a 7" tablet. I would pay $200 for a 10" tablet but no more than that. It might be because I got a TouchPad when it went on the fire sale. Now I want all tablets to be that price. I blame HP. LOL
Make it 10' -> (As screen is bigger, more allowed internal space, the price goes up).
I would pay $300 or $350 for a 64 Gb 10 inches screen.
Profit!!!
I am really curious to the specs the end result is going to have. Even more because this even lower price than said before. It sure is going to be a nice gadget.
If it is anything like the memo i can see this being a massive hit. Put in either an S4 or a Tegra 3 like the memo a 1280x800 IPS display and micro sd card and people will see this at a store then see the price then see it on their receipt. I myself have a transformer that's almost a year old and I would pick one of these up as my go to tablet and the TF as the work tablet (keyboard dock)
Would be good to see a Nexus tablet, there are no GED tablets out there*
Xoom doesn't count as it is ONLY the wifi version that was on sale in ONLY the United States. Though if they really want to to take off and go head to head with the dedicated 200~ tablets they need to improve their ecosystem, open up google movies, books and music to more countries
I would be very interested in a 10"+ tablet, 7" doesn't do it for me. Bigger the better.
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I'm not sure why people are talking about 10" tablets - aren't there plenty of those around? The 7" Nexus is clearly a direct response to Amazon's success with the Kindle Fire (if rumors are to be believed even Apple is paying attention), and in order to compete with it they need to be at $200 or below.
At $149 I doubt they will be using the S4/Krait, but we can always hope. In any case, I was more than a little tempted by some of the crappy ~$140 Chinese Cortex A8 tablets available. $149 for a Nexus tablet, even if it's only a dualcore Snapdragon S3, is an insane deal.
I do hope Google brings out two types of nexus Tablet. A $249 10 inch tablet and a 7 inch tablet at $149.
I think if they can do the two above and make the Tablets desirable I really think the Android Tablet ecosystem could really start to kick off
I already have a 10 inch tablet, but would very much consider this for a second. The Nexus is the selling point, as long as battery life were excellent I am on board.
Felimenta97 said:
Make it 10' -> (As screen is bigger, more allowed internal space, the price goes up).
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But where would you put a 10 foot tablet?
im kind of disappointed if the memo370 is being discontinued and downgraded and being replaced with the rumors of the new specs. Google is obviously not liking the fact that the kindle is built off the blackberry playbook chassis and the tweaked OS that provides google with zero commission. In any case I hope they undercut the kindle fire in price if they do but its hard to say im looking forward to it when amazon is expected to come out with updates. Honestly, they need to come out with a 10" ipad killer that costs half the price or else they won't change the game.
It would really suck if this tablet replaces the asus memo. Me and my friends were all going to get one. And if this new nexus is just going to just be a dual core, then how is it any better than the nook tablet? They're probably going to get rid of the micro sd card slot like they've been doing. I'm just salty because I was looking forward to the memo
The last months, I began to get interested in Tablets and nearly bought a Lenovo Ideapad and a (shame on me) iPad, but i could resist. But when the rumours are true I buy one, even when its "only" a Dual-Core.
Normally I´m interested in a 10" (or more like the Samsung 11" and the Toshiba 13") , Quad core Tablet with Keyboard Dock. 7" is too small for a couch, but for rhis prize, with google Support I cant´t say no
Looks like this is being pushed back until July to try and shave off manufacturing cost to keep it at the $199 mark.
I've been looking to get a tablet for some general gaming and thought this might be a good one to look at. Hopefully the specs are decent otherwise I may have to pay a little extra for something that will play most games well.
Regardless though, it is good to see Google, Asus, Nvidia (and anyone else involved) trying to create tablets for the mainstream with good specs at a great price. This can only be good for the Play Store and the tablet market in the long run.
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So I am trying to figure out if I should buy the g-tablet or wait a couple weeks and buy the Xoom. Here are the differences I have found so far.
Xoom Pros
Better Screen (1280x800 vs 1024x600)
More RAM (1GB vs 512MB)
Has GPS
Better camera
HDMI (without dock)
Twice as much storage (internal 32GB vs 16GB)
Honeycomb out of the box
G-tablet Pros
2 usb ports (1 full and 1 mini)
Cheaper $375ish new vs $600(rumored)
Good development community
So I am leaning towards the Xoom. Seems like the extra features are worth the $225?
Am I missing anything????
I think you missed the price of the Xoom. From everything I have heard the price is at least $800.
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So I am trying to figure out if I should buy the g-tablet or wait a couple weeks and buy the Xoom. Here are the differences I have found so far.
Xoom Pros
Better Screen (1280x800 vs 1024x600)
More RAM (1GB vs 512MB)
Has GPS
Better camera
HDMI (without dock)
Twice as much storage (internal 32GB vs 16GB)
Honeycomb out of the box
G-tablet Pros
2 usb ports (1 full and 1 mini)
Cheaper $375ish new vs $600(rumored)
Good development community
So I am leaning towards the Xoom. Seems like the extra features are worth the $225?
Am I missing anything????
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The $600ish price is for the Wifi model that doesn't have a confirmed release date. If you don't need a tablet now, yeah I would just wait a couple of months or so and get the wifi only Xoom or wait for the 3G version to drop in price.
Comparing the Xoom and Gtablet is comparing a Luxury car with a Economy car. Do you want the bells and whistles or do you just want something to get you where you want to go?
wait until the lg slate aka optimus pad comes out as well as sumsungs honeycomb tab then make your choice
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Let us not forget that Moto has been locking their bootloaders so your at their mercy for upgrades. If you can wait and don't want a GTab there will be many unlocked devices on the way. BTW, the GTab is completely open and almost unbrickable
Just a thought, if you wait, then the next best thing will be roumored to be coming and you will be waiting again. That being said, if price isn't an issue, and the possiblilty of a locked bootloader isn't an issue, then wait for the Xoom.
I anticipate much better viewing angles, better placement of the headphone jack, power and volume buttons (I hate the fact that the headphone jack is the bottom left but the hard buttons are at the top right so when I'm holding it with headphones i have to hold it top left and bottom right :s), likely better support, probably more development and community support since it will be the first Honeycomb tablet, and most importantly a lot more quality accessories.
I'll be selling my G-tab for a Xoom next month. I want to give Xoom a month or so burn in to see if the price drops and to get a chance to look at the potential alternatives (LG, Samsung, ASUS). That is assuming its bootloader isn't completely locked down and with Moto's recent change in stance towards the dev community I can't image that it would be.
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One more: haptic feedback.
Being an owner of the GTablet and also faced with the same choices - its a tough one.
I see it this way and will depend on your priorities:
If your priorities >= (screen, vendor support, GPS, Android 3.0) and wait time >= NOW then
BUY (ZOOM)
ELSEIF priorities >= (independent support, Cost, Hack-ability) wait time <= NOW then
BUY(GTblet)
ELSE
BUY(IPAD)
hunteradh said:
So I am trying to figure out if I should buy the g-tablet or wait a couple weeks and buy the Xoom. Here are the differences I have found so far.
Xoom Pros
Better Screen (1280x800 vs 1024x600)
More RAM (1GB vs 512MB)
Has GPS
Better camera
HDMI (without dock)
Twice as much storage (internal 32GB vs 16GB)
Honeycomb out of the box
G-tablet Pros
2 usb ports (1 full and 1 mini)
Cheaper $375ish new vs $600(rumored)
Good development community
So I am leaning towards the Xoom. Seems like the extra features are worth the $225?
Am I missing anything????
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This is just my opinion, but features aside, I'd wait to see what how locked down the moto will be, how easy or hard it is to brick, and how much community support it gets, and only then, decide.
Jim
If you want something now with an nvidia tegra 2 processor at a very good price and you are comfortable flashing roms then the gtablet is the way to go. The gtablet is very well supported by the xda dev community.
If you want a tablet that is ready to use out of the box, i.e. you don't like mucking with firmware, then wait a few weeks/months. There's going to be a flood of nice tablets but they will cost more and may be tied to wireless carriers.
I am very happy with my new gtablet.
Malata
Don't forget the new versions of the Gtablet.....
http://liliputing.com/tag/malata-smb-b1005
This could be a competitor for the Xoom also.
The Xoom even at the subsidized $600 with Verizon contract isn't a good buy, cost wise. The blogosphere is in an uproar over the cost of this thing compared to other offerings which has been horrible for the street cred/exitement building up before launch. Yeah, the Xoom is pretty and will be the first to offer Honeycomb but their marketing along with Verizon have done an absolutely terrible job of leaking false prices, charging too much for activating features (wifi), and requiring a 3G plan to be tied down to which makes it much more expensive than just buying it outright for $800.
With rumors of a $599 wifi only version of the Xoom coming you have to decide if the $200 difference is worth it to you.
No matter what rom base or how talented the developers are, the gtablet will never have the better screen, the extra 512 Meg ram or the extra hardware sensors the Xoom will feature....or real Google/market support.
Now....is that worth $200 more is completely your decision. I will possibly pick up a Xoom to replace my gtablet around my birthday (May) unless other more capable tabs are released within the same price range.
The gtablet will be something to play with, tweak, hack, etc....while (for me) the Xoom will be the tab to use and show off to my iPad loving friends.
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tcrews said:
With rumors of a $599 wifi only version of the Xoom coming you have to decide if the $200 difference is worth it to you.
No matter what rom base or how talented the developers are, the gtablet will never have the better screen, the extra 512 Meg ram or the extra hardware sensors the Xoom will feature....or real Google/market support.
Now....is that worth $200 more is completely your decision. I will possibly pick up a Xoom to replace my gtablet around my birthday (May) unless other more capable tabs are released within the same price range.
The gtablet will be something to play with, tweak, hack, etc....while (for me) the Xoom will be the tab to use and show off to my iPad loving friends.
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So apparently the keyboard on the GTab is worth writing home about.
I think I'm still waiting for the next line-up of tablets before I pull the trigger on the GTab. I'm sure they'll at least lower the price considerably right before it's nixed.
Kayak83 said:
I think I'm still waiting for the next line-up of tablets before I pull the trigger on the GTab. I'm sure they'll at least lower the price considerably right before it's nixed.
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I'm not sure I'd count on that. In fact, most of the tablets that ARE out there have seen their prices go UP since December. With the XOOM costing so much, and the prices that have been announced for some of the other tablets, the second tier folks are finding they can charge more and still be a bargain by comparison.
In fact giving how costs overseas are going up on transportation an raw materials in general, I am thinking seriously about getting two more G-Tabs as soon as I get my tax refund before they get another price hike as well.
Reality is these tabs will never replace a laptop these are consumption devices so why pay the price for one at the price of a good computer?
Xoom vs Gtab.
I understand all the questions.....got the Gtab and couldn't be happier. maybe the doom will be all that....but??? don't have to wait....honeycomb will come.
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I'm not sure I'd count on that. In fact, most of the tablets that ARE out there have seen their prices go UP since December. With the XOOM costing so much, and the prices that have been announced for some of the other tablets, the second tier folks are finding they can charge more and still be a bargain by comparison.
In fact giving how costs overseas are going up on transportation an raw materials in general, I am thinking seriously about getting two more G-Tabs as soon as I get my tax refund before they get another price hike as well.
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They won't raise the price of the gtablet. That's unheard of. Maybe if you're comparing to some sort of one time promotion. You don't release a product at one price and then 6 months later, raise it.
For being lauded as a wonderful $400 tablet, I'm not sure about spending well over $500 for one.
Will there be a new generation before we see a $400 transformer for the tablet alone? I have no use for a dock, I just want a nice hackable tab, and the nook isn't really cutting out even at 1.3ghz.
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It's available now for MSRP so I really don't get what you're saying.
he probably means 'readily' available, as in, walk in, walk out with one from a retailer.
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he probably means 'readily' available, as in, walk in, walk out with one from a retailer.
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Well in that case mid/end may or start june
slowhatch said:
he probably means 'readily' available, as in, walk in, walk out with one from a retailer.
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i dont think so he said he's not sure about spending 500 for the TF. what are you referring to OP? shipping, taxes or are you from another country? in north america MSRP is 400.
talking about 32gb ? It's 500 here, msrp too
i think he is talking about how ppl on Amazon is selling it for 550
i walked in and walked out with one
By early June to Mid June 2 major competitors (Samsung and someone I forgot) will be on the market. The Asus will be like the Xoom at that point.
Once they start shipping slightly higher qtys it should open up quickly as there are many duplicate and triplicate orders being placed because of the resellers policies of accepting orders and payment then arbitrarily canceling them after some time. Check out the availability thread and stick with the reliable resellers.
jerrykur said:
By early June to Mid June 2 major competitors (Samsung and someone I forgot) will be on the market. The Asus will be like the Xoom at that point.
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Why do you say that? The TF 16GB wifi-only is $399. The equivalent Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 16GB wifi-only will be $499. So, the TF will still be the least expensive option (as well as the most interesting given the dock) in its class.
wynand32 said:
Why do you say that? The TF 16GB wifi-only is $399. The equivalent Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 16GB wifi-only will be $499. So, the TF will still be the least expensive option (as well as the most interesting given the dock) in its class.
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Agreed. The TF will be the inexpensive alternative in that case.
There will be plenty of people who will want this just because it is $100 (which is a sizable chunk) cheaper and still has a great screen.
I wouldn't be surprised if the TF eats into Samsung's sales -- not vice versa. For instance, I was going to go for the 10.1 but given its late release date and the awesome TF specs, I decided to change my mind and go with Asus.
I ask because I haven't found an online retailer in the us that shows it for $400.
I guess people are taking advantage of scarcity currently.
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I ask because I haven't found an online retailer in the us that shows it for $400.
I guess people are taking advantage of scarcity currently.
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Stay on the stickied availability thread, people will post once an online retailer has one for sale.
Also, use http://www.nowinstock.net/
The TF is available for MSRP now -- you just need to put effort into getting one. The ones above MSRP are resellers and not the actual retailers. (Some retailers will show reseller items because the retailers ran out of stock)
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Why do you say that? The TF 16GB wifi-only is $399. The equivalent Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 16GB wifi-only will be $499. So, the TF will still be the least expensive option (as well as the most interesting given the dock) in its class.
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IMHO Samsung will be of higher quality materials. Hopefully it will also have the Samsung processor The killer for Samsung is the 8.9 form factor unit. This size is closer in price, considerably lighter, and IMHO (as an iPad, NC, and soon Transformer owner) a better size for a pure tablet.
The advantage for the Transformer is a dock. With that I would buy it at even a higher price point because of the content creation capabilities. But to a lot of users this is not as big as an a factor.
But, the bottom line is that as more Android tables come on line the impact of any particular unit like the Transformer becomes less and less. It just like what happened with phone. The original Droid was unique, the follow-ons are just another Android phone.
Toshiba? I have seen their tablet (at CES?) and if it is really this one, i am happy i have gone with the transformer, the camera was directly under your finger, lot of (useless?) buttons where you would hold the tab (if you are a lefty), and i doubt the screen will match the transformer one (not sure about this one) and i also doubt it will match the low price...One interesting thing about it though is the "removeable" battery. As for the samsung, it seems great, nice screen, look great, comes in (2?) sizes, but the 3 main reasons i didn't wait to see it is first, the price, doubt they will match the transformer (maybe the little one but i already own a galaxy s, so for little screen i am served) the updates... well the only device i got from samsung was the galaxy s, waited an eternity to get froyo but for gingerbread, wasn't so long (but a LOT of people are complaining that they never updates, etc) and third, the dock, the galaxy tab doesn't seem to want to release a dock at the launch which is definately + for me... other thing that samsung could do to get more customer is to get a processor other than tegra 2 which could actually play 1080p/720p with every profiles... but i don't think they have revealed yet which they are gonna settle with. So i am actually getting my first tablet, transformer with dock, making my programmation course with it and then, i may buy a super quad core tablet
(Dang, think this is my biggest post so far )
EDIT: oh well maybe not finally, just looked enormous on my little galaxy s screen lol
jerrykur said:
By early June to Mid June 2 major competitors (Samsung and someone I forgot) will be on the market. The Asus will be like the Xoom at that point.
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jerrykur said:
IMHO Samsung will be of higher quality materials. Hopefully it will also have the Samsung processor The killer for Samsung is the 8.9 form factor unit. This size is closer in price, considerably lighter, and IMHO (as an iPad, NC, and soon Transformer owner) a better size for a pure tablet.
The advantage for the Transformer is a dock. With that I would buy it at even a higher price point because of the content creation capabilities. But to a lot of users this is not as big as an a factor.
But, the bottom line is that as more Android tables come on line the impact of any particular unit like the Transformer becomes less and less. It just like what happened with phone. The original Droid was unique, the follow-ons are just another Android phone.
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Most of us here are gadget addicts, if Samsung's offering is tasty looking,I'd bet many of us will find a way to get it.Lol,can a person ever have too many devices?
jerrykur said:
IMHO Samsung will be of higher quality materials. Hopefully it will also have the Samsung processor The killer for Samsung is the 8.9 form factor unit. This size is closer in price, considerably lighter, and IMHO (as an iPad, NC, and soon Transformer owner) a better size for a pure tablet.
The advantage for the Transformer is a dock. With that I would buy it at even a higher price point because of the content creation capabilities. But to a lot of users this is not as big as an a factor.
But, the bottom line is that as more Android tables come on line the impact of any particular unit like the Transformer becomes less and less. It just like what happened with phone. The original Droid was unique, the follow-ons are just another Android phone.
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Disagree.
The Xoom was never that popular to begin with so I don't see how you can use that as a comparison.
Again, the biggest point here is the price; form factor is one thing but that only might affect a buyer. Price always caters to a wide audience.
In fact, the only reason in mind that the Xoom sold any units is because it was the only Honeycomb tablet available.
Nobody cares that the Xoom's 32 GB price is the same as the Ipad's 32 GB price. Most people will look at the price and just cringe. It is quite clear that there is a bigger market for a more affordable tablet.
Not only did the Xoom needed to match Apple's lowest price offering, it needed to be EVEN lower -- or else why not just go for the iPad? That is what goes through the minds of most consumers: they might care about size, OS or whatever form factor but in the end it always boils down to price. (when you don't hold the same brand weight as Apple)
The Asus TF is the most affordable quality Honeycomb tablet. (By FAR the most affordable) That is the biggest reason why it is hot right now. Even though I think Samsung will sell the 10.1 and 8.9 just based on brand name alone, I still think Asus will retain strong sales as long as it remains the most affordable quality HC tablet. Asus already has the advantage of releasing the TF a month before Samsung plans to release just the 10.1.
I'm trying to decide between ASUS and Samsung. If ASUS really needs to get these in stores soon.
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Stay on the stickied availability thread, people will post once an online retailer has one for sale.
Also, use http://www.nowinstock.net/
The TF is available for MSRP now -- you just need to put effort into getting one. The ones above MSRP are resellers and not the actual retailers. (Some retailers will show reseller items because the retailers ran out of stock)
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Appreciate the link. I'm signed up there now and will see when I can find one in stock!
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I actually just purchased a Samsung Galaxy Tab 8.9" 3 days ago and find myself thinking that perhaps I should have gone with the 10" format. (I am currently on the verge of returning it)
The Transformer EEE Pad was an option I was heavily interested in but I am wondering if this isn't a great time to buy any of these tabs. With CES going on do you think I would be better off waiting for a month to see the next-gen tablets? Also, even if I don't get a fancy quad-core machine (I probably won't as a matter of fact) do you think current gen tabs will fall significantly?
I understand tech is always moving forward and prices are always dropping, but I feel like with the impending release of some of the new tabs there may be a big shift coming soon and what I spend $400 for today could be significantly cheaper Very soon.
I'd be really interested to get some opinions from people on this board. Thanks!
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It seems like all the new lower priced ones have trade offs with hardware features and lack of firm release dates. So I think you bought at the right time because you can use it now and not be stuck in the release date rumor mill.
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quad core tables are on the way which mean a price drop on the dual core ones so i think it's kinda bad timing imho
I just watched a video yesterday of a $79 android tablet running ice cream sandwich. Its not yet released outside of China, and it's not made of state-of-the-art components, but this gives you an idea of where the android tab market is going.
To answer the op's question:
Like everything else with consumer electronics, wheteher its a good time for you to buy an android tablet depends on 1) what you're going to use the device for (which will determine the quality of the components of the device you want/need), and 2) the value you put on having it NOW.
In other words: I bought the Fire in mid-November, when it was released. If a tab with the quality of the Fire was to come out by this june costing 100 dollars, it would have been worth it for me to have paid the $99 premium to have had the Fire for that 7 months. But that's just me - you have to make that decision for yourself. Luckily, we're not talking huge sums of money here, so, even if you make the wrong decision, it's not something that will threaten your standard of living lol.
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For me it will mainly be a media consumption device (which is why I think I do want to go with the 10" screen - Netflix / Slingbox with an occasional game d/led from the market)
I did get a good price on the Samsung 8.9" (Open box from BB - $304 + tax). I would be willing to wait it out for a month or so if necessary if prices were about to take a sudden dive but I am not willing to wait 3+ months or so.. I was just afraid prices would be dropping rather suddenly now.
Like I said in the original post, I think I would consider getting a Asus Transformer (Not Prime at this point because I think it is too expensive for what I want to do with it) at a good price point.. The Samsung is nice and the screen is beautiful but I do like that Asus seems more on point updating their devices than Samsung and I also like the expandibility of the drive.
PS - Sorry XDA, didn't see there was a Q&A area!
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quad core tables are on the way which mean a price drop on the dual core ones so i think it's kinda bad timing imho
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I agree. IMO $500 is slot for a tablet. But only those on that price range are really worth buying. There will always be bigger and better on the horizon, but all I was is a transformer prime for around $300. I can wait another six months.
Just noticed the release of GT2, and it first I thought it was just a new name for GT7+. But, a closer look reveals a few differences, like a slower (!) CPU and no flash for the back camera..
* 1,0 GHz Dual-Core Processor (unspecified)
* 1 GB RAM
* 7" 1024x600 PLS TFT
* Android 4.0 (Ice Cream Sandwich)
* 3 Megapixel Rear Camera (no flash), VGA Front Camera
* 8/16/32GB User memory, microSD (up to 32GB)
* 193.7 x 122.4 x 10.5 mm, 344 g
* Li-ion 4,000mAh
Prices here in Sweden will be (incl. 25 % tax):
* Wi-Fi: 2 995 SEK (~450 USD)
* 3G: 3 695 SEK (~556 USD)
Anyway, the most interesting thing imho is that the tablet in question will ship in March, according to Samsung with ICS on board. As the hardware is more or less similar (assuming the GT2 has 1,0 GHz Exynos), can we hope for some kind of official update around that time too?
I for one am a little pissed about this device. I spent $400 on a Tab Plus and instead of Samsung using their resources getting ICS out and fix the various bugs, they decide to build ANOTHER device that looks the exact same as the one they already have out.
The only reason that I can see is that the Exynos processor is causing issues and they cannot seem to fix like how my device heats up on the left side (processor side btw) so they make a new one with a different processor chip.
Either way, I feel like I've gotten the shaft with this device as I'm stuck with a gimpy version of Honeycomb and looks to be already phased out after 4 months. I guess it could be worse though... I could have gotten the T-former Prime v1.
kind of weird. why release this? got a feeling ics for our tab 7 plus will be delayed over and over again or Samsung will just end up not releasing it for the 7 plus.
the 7 plus is already down to $350. if released in USA, I find it hard to believe to sell for higher or even both at same time. awkward.
pretty sure its a tegra chip.
And my friends....Welcome to the world of Samsung. I've been saying it since the original galaxy S line. Their idea of a software update is to release a new product. We will get ICS but not this quarter and probably not the next either.
Geesh, it even looks the same.
http://m.techcrunch.com/2012/02/13/meet-samsungs-first-android-4-0-tablet-the-7-inch-galaxy-tab-2/
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Hm.. Well, if it is Tegra 2 under the hood, there is a big difference (in favor for the Plus, performance wise).
Has someone found a confirmation for which SoC that is used?
Here's the thing. Aside from the fact that it has a lower clock speed on the processor, (possibly a different, cheaper processor), the fact that it has no LED flash, and a lower resolution front facing camera; if you look carefully at the official press photos, you will notice that it is a bit more "touchwizzed" (look at the icons, they are a lot like the icons on the phone and the OG Galaxy Tab 7, (with colored squares behind each app icon.) It seems that this may in fact be Samsung's answer to the new ASUS 7in, $250 ICS tablet. If this is Samsung's "budget tablet" then it makes sense. If this is true, it will show up on all of the carriers, (subsidized and contracted, of course,) and may hit retailers as a sub-$300 wifi tablet. At that price point, this makes sense.
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Here's the thing. Aside from the fact that it has a lower clock speed on the processor, (possibly a different, cheaper processor), and the fact that it has no LED flash, lower resolution front facing camera; if you look carefully at the official press photos, you will notice that it is a bit more "touchwizzed" (look at the icons, they are a lot like the icons on the phone and the OG Galaxy Tab 7, (with colored squares behind each app icon.) It seems that this may in fact be Samsung's answer to the new ASUS 7in, $250 ICS tablet. If this is Samsung's "budget tablet" then it makes sense. If this is true, it will show up on all of the carriers, (subsidized and contracted, of course,) and may hit retailers as a sub-$300 tablet. At that price point, this makes sense.
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I actually was a little upset that we get no ICS and that samsung did the same like they did with the Galaxy S and the Galaxy S 4G or something like that, but then I looked at the specs and it seems that you may be right as it seems to be made as a budget tablet.
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Here's the thing. Aside from the fact that it has a lower clock speed on the processor, (possibly a different, cheaper processor), the fact that it has no LED flash, and a lower resolution front facing camera; if you look carefully at the official press photos, you will notice that it is a bit more "touchwizzed" (look at the icons, they are a lot like the icons on the phone and the OG Galaxy Tab 7, (with colored squares behind each app icon.) It seems that this may in fact be Samsung's answer to the new ASUS 7in, $250 ICS tablet. If this is Samsung's "budget tablet" then it makes sense. If this is true, it will show up on all of the carriers, (subsidized and contracted, of course,) and may hit retailers as a sub-$300 wifi tablet. At that price point, this makes sense.
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You make good points and I get what you’re saying but I can’t believe that a dual core tegra 2(???) 7” tablet is Samsungs answer to the Asus 7” quad core rumored at CES. I mean you said it yourself; the specs are subpar compared to the 7+ so how is it going to compare on paper of head to head? Looking at the pricing of this new Samsung it’s hard to make a case for it comparing it to the Asus, which will be sub $300. If they really wanted to compete they could’ve lowered the 7+ to $299 and upgraded it to ICS. Now that’s a tablet that would sell.
I’m not grabbing the pitchfork over this one because I’m not overly concerned with ICS, I have a Galaxy Nexus and it’s really not that distant from HC. Besides, I learned a while ago not to buy stuff for what you want it to be but for what it is. With that said, I do believe the 7+ will see ICS but not before they’ve milked every dollar out of their latest release. I learned this first hand with Samsung.
Unless this new tablet is $199-$249, I don’t see the point. Why would they have two 7” tablets in the same price range with similar specs?
Until pricing and target markets are confirmed we should take a deep breath. I like to bang on Samsung but they aren't alone, a lot of manufacturers do this. Two weeks after the Transformer prime was realeased Asus announced a new "better" prime.
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You make good points and I get what you’re saying but I can’t believe that a dual core tegra 2(???) 7” tablet is Samsungs answer to the Asus 7” quad core rumored at CES. I mean you said it yourself; the specs are subpar compared to the 7+ so how is it going to compare on paper of head to head? Looking at the pricing of this new Samsung it’s hard to make a case for it comparing it to the Asus, which will be sub $300. If they really wanted to compete they could’ve lowered the 7+ to $299 and upgraded it to ICS. Now that’s a tablet that would sell.
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Keep in mind that even though Asus has announced the sub $300 price, there's no guarantee that they'll actually launch at that price - or even if they do, that it'll be available in quantity early enough to matter. Note, for example, the supply problems they've been having with the Transformer Prime.
Let's say it takes a quarter to go from rumor to finalized design, then another quarter to ramp up manufacturing. That's 6 months out.
In the meantime, Samsung has proven that they can 1) deliver their 7" tablets in quantity right now and 2) they can hit the $350 price point on their 7" tablet right now (which lends credence to the $300 or $250 price point if they ship with cheaper components). With B&N and Amazon selling Nook Tablets and Kindle Fires by the truckloads, there's ample opportunity for Samsung to get in at the $200-250 price point and get their share of profits before quad core 7" tablets are able to compete at that price point.
In other words, this isn't a device I'm interested in but that doesn't mean there aren't millions of potential Nook or Kindle customers who would be.
I'll wait to see their official pricing, unless this thing is under $300, which I'm not convinced it will be, I don't see the point. If the overseas pricing is any indication this will not be marketed as a budget tab.
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This is called
Market Cannibalization
http://www.investopedia.com/terms/m/marketcannibilization.asp
not good
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Keep in mind that even though Asus has announced the sub $300 price, there's no guarantee that they'll actually launch at that price - or even if they do, that it'll be available in quantity early enough to matter. Note, for example, the supply problems they've been having with the Transformer Prime.
Let's say it takes a quarter to go from rumor to finalized design, then another quarter to ramp up manufacturing. That's 6 months out.
In the meantime, Samsung has proven that they can 1) deliver their 7" tablets in quantity right now and 2) they can hit the $350 price point on their 7" tablet right now (which lends credence to the $300 or $250 price point if they ship with cheaper components). With B&N and Amazon selling Nook Tablets and Kindle Fires by the truckloads, there's ample opportunity for Samsung to get in at the $200-250 price point and get their share of profits before quad core 7" tablets are able to compete at that price point.
In other words, this isn't a device I'm interested in but that doesn't mean there aren't millions of potential Nook or Kindle customers who would be.
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You make a great point here that I had missed entirely. This may not be slated to fight the ASUS ME370T (the CES teased $250 Tegra 3 tablet,) this may be trying to claw back some of the low-end marketshare from the Kindle Fire and the Nook, which would make even more sense. On top of that, we have to remember that ASUS is attempting to enter that market as well. While the $250 ME370T is at best 2 quarters out, ASUS has officially announced the EeePad MeMo (ME171) which will have a 7-inch WXGA (1,280 x 800) IPS capacitive touchpanel, a 1.2GHz dual-core Qualcomm 8260 processor, a gigabyte of memory, 16GB / 32GB of storage, 802.11b/g/n WiFi, Bluetooth 2.1+EDR, a 1.2 megapixel front / 5 megapixel rear camera (with 1080p recording), an A-GPS sensor, gyroscope, proximity sensor and a micro-USB port. I have a feeling that the Galaxy Tab 2 is going to be competing with the similarly specced ME171. I'm going to wait until MWC, or a bit after to see what Samsung plans to unveil to fight the quad core war.
But that would only make sense if this tablet is priced in the nook and kindle price range. This doesn't appear to be the case. Samsung doesn't appear to be marketing this as a budget product, they really never do,
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I think we're going to have to wait until Samsung officially announces pricing in the US before we can decide on the nature of Samsung's decision to launch this product.
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I think we're going to have to wait until Samsung officially announces pricing in the US before we can decide on the nature of Samsung's decision to launch this product.
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Agreed.
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But that would only make sense if this tablet is priced in the nook and kindle price range. This doesn't appear to be the case. Samsung doesn't appear to be marketing this as a budget product, they really never do,
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Samsung unveils Galaxy Tab 2 (7.0), brings ICS on the cheap
We've got no exact price quote for the Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 (7.0) just yet, but is should slide somewhere beneath the Galaxy Tab 7.0 Plus, which is currently going for about €320. Sales should start in March.
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_unveils_galaxy_tab_2_brings_ics_on_the_cheap-news-3816.php
As to Samsung updating - Samsung is actually (usually) fairly good at updating non-carrier-branded devices in a timely fashion.
Carrier-branded devices (especially in North America) are a whole different story... Samsung doesn't seem to have the balls to stand up to carriers.
looks to me like the typical normal single core phone will now be a dual core in 2012. and why not use a cheap tegra 2?
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I think we're going to have to wait until Samsung officially announces pricing in the US before we can decide on the nature of Samsung's decision to launch this product.
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Don't forget carrier subsidies. T-Mobile carries the Galaxy Tab 7 Plus at $250 with contract, where I'm sure Huawei is eating Samsung's lunch with the $100 Springboard. A Tab2 at $200 or, if they can manage it, $150, would probably fair better.
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lrs421 said:
But that would only make sense if this tablet is priced in the nook and kindle price range. This doesn't appear to be the case. Samsung doesn't appear to be marketing this as a budget product, they really never do,
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No US price has been announced yet as far as I know. Don't let the Swedish prices throw you off - prices in different regions are dictated by many market forces beyond just currency exchange rates.
For example, right now, the Swedes can buy a Galaxy Tab 7 Plus, 16GB WiFi only version, for about 320GBP from Amazon.co.uk (about 500USD) or the N version from Amazon.co.de for about 350 euros (about 460USD).
But for us yankees, Amazon US has the same device for only 350USD.
So even based on the prices in the OP, the Tab2 is coming in about ~50USD cheaper for the WiFi only version vs. the Tab 7 Plus.
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Don't forget carrier subsidies. T-Mobile carries the Galaxy Tab 7 Plus at $250 with contract, where I'm sure Huawei is eating Samsung's lunch with the $100 Springboard. A Tab2 at $200 or, if they can manage it, $150, would probably fair better.
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No US price has been announced yet as far as I know. Don't let the Swedish prices throw you off - prices in different regions are dictated by many market forces beyond just currency exchange rates.
For example, right now, the Swedes can buy a Galaxy Tab 7 Plus, 16GB WiFi only version, for about 320GBP from Amazon.co.uk (about 500USD) or the N version from Amazon.co.de for about 350 euros (about 460USD).
But for us yankees, Amazon US has the same device for only 350USD.
So even based on the prices in the OP, the Tab2 is coming in about ~50USD cheaper for the WiFi only version vs. the Tab 7 Plus.
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Thanks for the breakdown. Going to be interesting.
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Hey guys I currently have a Prime, and selling it so that I can get a new or slightly new Infinity but the issue I am running into is that they are still so expensive.
They still retail for $499 (32GB model), and people are selling them for around the same price on eBay for used. Is there going to be a price drop on these soon? How long should I wait to buy one?
I guess this is a good thing because they are clearly holding their value, but given the recent price drop on Refurbished Ipad's (3rd Gen), I would think that Asus would somewhat follow suit to keep things competitive.
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Hey guys I currently have a Prime, and selling it so that I can get a new or slightly new Infinity but the issue I am running into is that they are still so expensive.
They still retail for $499 (32GB model), and people are selling them for around the same price on eBay for used. Is there going to be a price drop on these soon? How long should I wait to buy one?
I guess this is a good thing because they are clearly holding their value, but given the recent price drop on Refurbished Ipad's (3rd Gen), I would think that Asus would somewhat follow suit to keep things competitive.
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Get the Nexus 10. $100 cheaper for 16gb. Or same price for 32gb and way better.
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Get the Nexus 10. $100 cheaper for 16gb. Or same price for 32gb and way better.
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I saw the specs on the Nexus 10 and they are impressive, but I really like the functionality about the Transformer series. The idea of using it as a tablet/laptop is very ideal, being that I do not own a PC at home.
Does the Nexus 10 have HDMI out? That would be make or break for me if it didn't.
The Nexus 10 has MicroHDMI, just like the TF700.
You'd need a dongle or adapter to connect a normal HDMI cable.
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The Nexus 10 has MicroHDMI, just like the TF700.
You'd need a dongle or adapter to connect a normal HDMI cable.
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Yeah, I just saw the specs on the Nexus 10 and they are pretty impressive (display), but I still like how the TF looks over the Nexus. The Nexus looks like a larger phone to me.
Plus, adding the keyboard to the TF just makes it look and seem so awesome. I guess in the end it comes down to price and reliability. I've heard stories about the TF, but since the Nexus 10 isn't even on shelves yet, I am sure that people will start to run into problems, just like any new device.
Difference: Nexus 10 = $399 (16gb) | TF700 = $488 (32gb)
I for one am very satisfied with my TF700. I find the docking keyboard to be really useful and the extra battery it contains is a nice touch. I personally haven't been hit by any of the quality control issues people have brought up on the forums and performance has been fine for what I think of as pretty heavy use.
The Nexus' 2GB of RAM is attractive, but on my TF700 I've always had more than 250MB of RAM free even with an animated live wallpaper, tons of desktop widgets, and a few floating apps open. I can see 2GB of RAM being important for futureproofing, as even Android acquires bloat with OS revisions and it would be nice to rely on a device for a few years into Android 5.0 or 6.0.
The Nexus series also tends to be more friendly to developers. Asus allows one to unlock their tablet, but Asus could stand to make it easier and if they ever shut down the server required for the unlock process, users would be SOL. With the Nexus devices it's generally as simple as entering one command through the Fastboot tool. Also, Asus has moved to crypto key signature checking for their newer bootloaders which prevents using the NVFlash tool for low-level pre-boot file management. So if you're planning on unlocking the device and you're lucky enough to get one running an earlier bootloader, unlock it as soon as you get it!