This is a question I've never seen asked, but it's an important one. What are you phones CPU Freqs? What Govs do they have, and what Profiles do you use?
Rom: PyroIce
Main: 192 Min, 918 Max. OnDemand.
Screen Off: 192 Min, 384 Max. PowerSave.
InCall: 192 Min, 540 Max. Interactive.
Time 11pm-7am: 192Min/Max Powersave.
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that's cool, i might start using profiles again. from fiddling around i've noticed the difference between the ondemand and conservative governors- with ondemand, the processor seems to go from min. to all the way to max. and back down to min, and doesn't use the middle frequencies as much, while on conservative, the processor doesn't shoot up to max. as easily and seems to meander thru the middle frequencies a lot more. it makes sense too, because i've noticed that the phone seems snappier with ondemand.
i noticed you're using some of the others... i'll have to check them out as well.
ondemand
Available in most kernels, and the default governor in most kernels. When the CPU load reaches a certain point (see "up threshold" in Advanced Settings), ondemand will rapidly scale the CPU up to meet demand, then gradually scale the CPU down when it isn't needed. - SetCPU website
conservative
Available in some kernels. It is similar to the ondemand governor, but will scale the CPU up more gradually to better fit demand. Conservative provides a less responsive experience than ondemand, but can save battery. - SetCPU website
performance
Available in most kernels. It will keep the CPU running at the "max" set value at all times. This is a bit more efficient than simply setting "max" and "min" to the same value and using ondemand because the system will not waste resources scanning for the CPU load. This governor is recommended for stable benchmarking. - SetCPU website
powersave
Available in some kernels. It will keep the CPU running at the "min" set value at all times. - SetCPU website
userspace
A method for controlling the CPU speed that isn't currently used by SetCPU. For best results, do not use the userspace governor. - SetCPU website
Interactive
The 'interactive' governor has a different approach. Instead of sampling the cpu
at a specified rate, the governor will scale the cpu frequency up when coming
out of idle. When the cpu comes out of idle, a timer is configured to fire
within 1-2 ticks. If the cpu is 100% busy from exiting idle to when the timer
fires then we assume the cpu is underpowered and ramp to MAX speed.
If the cpu was not 100% busy, then the governor evaluates the cpu load over the
last 'min_sample_rate' (default 50000 uS) to determine the cpu speed to ramp down
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so, I bought set cpu about 3 phones ago, but I never really saw a differnence, can it be used with the stock kernel?
yellowjacket1981 said:
so, I bought set cpu about 3 phones ago, but I never really saw a differnence, can it be used with the stock kernel?
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Yeah Plus there's a huge difference with the Battery. I you use my CPU Settings, you should gain 3 hours Min on your phone. Also dropping the CPU in call is great, helps for longer calls and less overheating. If your S-Off you should use a custom kernel. UV Kernels are great.
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Yeah Plus there's a huge difference with the Battery. I you use my CPU Settings, you should gain 3 hours Min on your phone. Also dropping the CPU in call is great, helps for longer calls and less overheating. If your S-Off you should use a custom kernel. UV Kernels are great.
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I actually just got an uv kernel, I am about to flash it, I will use your settings too, thanks.
yellowjacket1981 said:
I actually just got an uv kernel, I am about to flash it, I will use your settings too, thanks.
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If you run a Sense 3.6 Rom, boost the CPU to 1Ghz. 918Mhz Lags.
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yellowjacket1981 said:
so, I bought set cpu about 3 phones ago, but I never really saw a differnence, can it be used with the stock kernel?
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Yes.
You cannot use anything the kernel doesn't already serve as an option, though.
SetCPU doesn't create options - it allows you user-level access to the ones already existing.
Normally you have no control over your clock speed but with it you can...say... limit the maximum clock speed to only be two-thirds of the stock speed.
Since it doesn't ramp up all the way, it doesn't drain as much power.
If you are playing games and stuff that needs a lot of resources, then the slower clock speeds cost you battery since it takes more effort to get the same work done. But if you don't do much with your phone, and don't need a lot of high-end CPU ability, why let it run flat out?
You can also set it to be like that only sometimes, and maximize battery savings by telling your device to chill out when it doesn't have to be awesome.
Now, if you get into custom kernels where you or a dev has opened up more options, SetCPU will again give you user level control over them.
Especially once you get into overclocking beyond manufacturer(s) recommendations, not having some end-user level control over the processor like this is irresponsible.
If you think I run a 1.7 or 1.9 or 1.5+anything on the device flat-out balls-to-the-wall all the time, I would ask you if you drive your car with the gas pedal smashed to the floor all the time. (it's a fitting analogy)
No, again, that would be irresponsible abuse of the hardware for no good reason.
If not SetCPU, then there would be something else to use, but SetCPU is a great interface that not only works well but is maintaned within the XDA community by a member here.
I will always go for the XDA community member version of any app first - it's usually a problem solved from a perspective very near the way I am perceiving the issue, supports the community, and is always easier to find help on if necessary.
What's even cooler is SetCPU is given away free by the dev to XDA members.
I did go ahead and buy it anyway to support the dev. It is a fantastic tool at my disposal, and I have come to realize just how much time and energy goes into making this kind of stuff.
Beyond all that, though, there are a ton of crap apps and software out there slapped together by people who don't care or didn't put the right level of effort into their work. When I find something that actually works and works well after sifting through a sea of garbage, if there is a paid version of the app i'll usually buy it not only as a thank you but also to encourage that particular person to keep working. They - unlike many, many others (in my opinion) earned it.
I know i'm drifting off topic a bit, sorry for that - I just really appreciate quality work and SetCPU falls in with that crowd nicely.
Even without a custom kernel providing options beyond stock, there is still a lot of value this app can hold for anyone with root level access to their device.
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If you are playing games and stuff that needs a lot of resources, then the slower clock speeds cost you battery since it takes more effort to get the same work done.
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Is this true? in my mind, I feel like it will take longer/not be as smooth, but wouldn't necessarily be worse for battery than a higher clock speed.
On a one-for-one comparison it leans more towards an even playing field, until you add that it's a dual-core processor and it very heavily skews the results towards less battery at higher clock speeds for complex operations.
Faster CPU speeds process the actions more quickly, and when you have to crunch a lot of numbers real quick like you do for most games the higher clock speed (especially on the dual core we are using) will complete the act with less power used. It is able to keep up with and/or outpace the flow of data being thrown at it.
If you are just using a notepad or browsing some forums maybe...sending a few texts? Then the higher clock speeds show a negative return on battery usage - you don't need it and it's wasteful.
But when the data has to stay buffered because the CPU is taking it's time working with it, not only is there more electricity consumed by keeping the processor alive longer but also the juice spent on keeping the data buffered.
The data computed is the same data computed at any speed (unless you lose data along the way...) but the power spent on completing that operation is not equal - not by a long shot.
On single core older processors where you are talking about a couple hundred megahertz one way or another the equation is much different, significantly diminshed returns on electricity invested, but with higher quality and multi-core processors especially they can cut through the data with significant ease when sufficiently powered.
But this is on processor intensive activities, and gaming is the first thing that comes to mind. For most other use of the device it's worth underclocking it and you will see battery gains.
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Can someone point me to where I can learn how to use set cpu and set voltage properly. Just installed superotimized kernel and wondering how to take full advantage of it
p4ranoid4ndroid said:
Can someone point me to where I can learn how to use set cpu and set voltage properly. Just installed superotimized kernel and wondering how to take full advantage of it
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overclocking is pre-enabled, under volting can be done through an app the link is in the thread. there are 2 settings. try about -50v each if that works fine bump one down to -75mv at a time. test the phone over a day or two and see how it runs, see if it has sleep death after a few periods of inactivity, especially extended periods, see if it has sleep death while charging, which seems to make a difference that will test the low setting.
see if the phone shuts down without freezing, and see if it shuts down without freezing while charging, the heat in the battery makes a big difference, play some 3d games. if you have freezing issues you can disable overclocking under different situation with set cpu or se t the volts to a more conservative setting.
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overclocking is pre-enabled, under volting can be done through an app the link is in the thread. there are 2 settings. try about -50v each if that works fine bump one down to -75mv at a time. test the phone over a day or two and see how it runs, see if it has sleep death after a few periods of inactivity, especially extended periods, see if it has sleep death while charging, which seems to make a difference that will test the low setting.
see if the phone shuts down without freezing, and see if it shuts down without freezing while charging, the heat in the battery makes a big difference, play some 3d games. if you have freezing issues you can disable overclocking under different situation with set cpu or se t the volts to a more conservative setting.
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I've been told that undervolting can improve the battery time. Of course, lots of varying opinions of how good/bad it may be to overclock.
If I want to just undervolt, is that possible with SetCPU?
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overclocking is pre-enabled, under volting can be done through an app the link is in the thread. there are 2 settings. try about -50v each if that works fine bump one down to -75mv at a time. test the phone over a day or two and see how it runs, see if it has sleep death after a few periods of inactivity, especially extended periods, see if it has sleep death while charging, which seems to make a difference that will test the low setting.
see if the phone shuts down without freezing, and see if it shuts down without freezing while charging, the heat in the battery makes a big difference, play some 3d games. if you have freezing issues you can disable overclocking under different situation with set cpu or se t the volts to a more conservative setting.
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I've been told that undervolting can improve the battery time. Of course, lots of varying opinions of how good/bad it may be to overclock.
If I want to just undervolt, is that possible with SetCPU?
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Interesting stuff...
I too would like to know if it is possible to simply under-volt. Does anyone know the optimal settings for SetCpu with the Captivate...or does it vary depending on each users profile/ phones?
So Ive been playing around with various settings for set cpu and voltage control and all has been well so far. The only problem im having is voltage control seems broke. I try to open the all but it just black screens. I tried to clear the memory and unistall and reinstall and still have the same problem. Any ideas?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=432086&d=1288709102
^you can under volt setirons kernel and disable overclocking with this app.
i find my battery life to be less than stock with this kernel, i need to see if it is a common issue, maybe because it is not a captivate kernel. but in the past with unhelpfuls kernel for 2.1 battery life was awesome.
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Interesting stuff...
I too would like to know if it is possible to simply under-volt. Does anyone know the optimal settings for SetCpu with the Captivate...or does it vary depending on each users profile/ phones?
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It's going to depend on the individual CPU in your phone. Your best result is to start at a given clock speed and begin lowering voltage in the smallest step possible, test for stability, repeat until you begin to notice instability (or you just run out of voltage options). You can just undervolt without increasing clock speed any, or you can not undervolt yet raise clock speed, or you can overclock and undervolt, depending on how your particular chip reacts. Some might need additional voltage to stabilize the snapdragon at 1.2Ghz while others (mine for example) is stable Able @ -100mV and 1.2Ghz. Overclocking silicon is the ultimate in YMMV.
Another thing to bear in mind is that increasing clock speed necessarily increases power consumption. There is no way around this. So a chip at 1.2Ghz will use more juice than 1Ghz even with the same voltage. It's difficult to say at this point whether, say, the Snapdragon @ 1.2Ghz and -100mV uses more or less power than the same chip @1Ghz and stock voltage. It's absolutely possible that the former uses more power, which would explain why you see at least one claim here of battery life decreasing even when voltage settings are left untouched.
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It's going to depend on the individual CPU in your phone. Your best result is to start at a given clock speed and begin lowering voltage in the smallest step possible, test for stability, repeat until you begin to notice instability (or you just run out of voltage options). You can just undervolt without increasing clock speed any, or you can not undervolt yet raise clock speed, or you can overclock and undervolt, depending on how your particular chip reacts. Some might need additional voltage to stabilize the snapdragon at 1.2Ghz while others (mine for example) is stable Able @ -100mV and 1.2Ghz. Overclocking silicon is the ultimate in YMMV.
Another thing to bear in mind is that increasing clock speed necessarily increases power consumption. There is no way around this. So a chip at 1.2Ghz will use more juice than 1Ghz even with the same voltage. It's difficult to say at this point whether, say, the Snapdragon @ 1.2Ghz and -100mV uses more or less power than the same chip @1Ghz and stock voltage. It's absolutely possible that the former uses more power, which would explain why you see at least one claim here of battery life decreasing even when voltage settings are left untouched.
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Thanks for clarifying Hawkeye! I will report back on in a few days once i have tested out a few profiles. In my opinion, I feel that it is best to leave Over-clocking at default and maximize battery utilization with setcpu. However, the thought of over-clocking the Dragon beast is VERY tempting. Who wouldn't? I will definitely check out the differences when playing games and such.
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Thanks for clarifying Hawkeye! I will report back on in a few days once i have tested out a few profiles. In my opinion, I feel that it is best to leave Over-clocking at default and maximize battery utilization with setcpu. However, the thought of over-clocking the Dragon beast is VERY tempting. Who wouldn't? I will definitely check out the differences when playing games and such.
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I have to tell you, I'm not personally very fond of SetCPU on this device, even though I paid for the app (ugh). With raspdeep's voltage control app and SetIron's OC/UV kernel, the CPU defaults to 1.2Ghz at stock voltage, which for a basic setup is fine. Voltage Control app is phenomenal for adjusting in increments of 25mv at a time...one setting is for high clocks (1Ghz - 1.2Ghz) and the other is for < 1Ghz. It's probably best actually to start with the lower clock setting in Voltage Control, as your phone will spend the lion's share of it's time at those clocks and so that is where you should see the most gain in battery life. My only gripe is that I can't get the boot settings to stick on the Captivate so I have to go in and adjust them each time I reboot the phone. no biggie there.
SetCPU, on the other hand, has caused me loads of problems in the past, including causing the phone not to wake up from sleep and just atrocious battery life, I assume from constantly polling the CPU clock to measure clock speed. I have not experienced any of that with Overclock Widget, but I also don't use any of the independent clockspeed controls in the app...basically it's just a widget to display clock speed the way I use it. Otherwise, Setiron's kernel gives the 200mhz overclock and I just let the Hummingbird deal with changing clocks on its own. Jmo, but it works for me with no resulting battery drain beyond the additional I expect as a result of the extra 200mhz.
edit: whoops, long day. hummingbird in my post from above, not snapdragon. I need a drinky poo.
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I have to tell you, I'm not personally very fond of SetCPU on this device, even though I paid for the app (ugh). With raspdeep's voltage control app and SetIron's OC/UV kernel, the CPU defaults to 1.2Ghz at stock voltage, which for a basic setup is fine. Voltage Control app is phenomenal for adjusting in increments of 25mv at a time...one setting is for high clocks (1Ghz - 1.2Ghz) and the other is for < 1Ghz. It's probably best actually to start with the lower clock setting in Voltage Control, as your phone will spend the lion's share of it's time at those clocks and so that is where you should see the most gain in battery life. My only gripe is that I can't get the boot settings to stick on the Captivate so I have to go in and adjust them each time I reboot the phone. no biggie there.
SetCPU, on the other hand, has caused me loads of problems in the past, including causing the phone not to wake up from sleep and just atrocious battery life, I assume from constantly polling the CPU clock to measure clock speed. I have not experienced any of that with Overclock Widget, but I also don't use any of the independent clockspeed controls in the app...basically it's just a widget to display clock speed the way I use it. Otherwise, Setiron's kernel gives the 200mhz overclock and I just let the Hummingbird deal with changing clocks on its own. Jmo, but it works for me with no resulting battery drain beyond the additional I expect as a result of the extra 200mhz.
edit: whoops, long day. hummingbird in my post from above, not snapdragon. I need a drinky poo.
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LOL. No Worries. I myself made the same mistake. I thought something was odd with my post. SnapDragon...Hummingbird....Bulbasaur.....I knew what you meant. lol
Still not having any luck with the voltage control app. Ive tried flashing different roms to see if it would work. I undervolted it to 100/75 the first time i did it and now i cant change. Only a little worried
i guess there was an issue with the set on boot scripts not working. supposedly that is fixed, i dont know for sure though, i haven't updated.
From what I'm gathering, in order to undervolt, you must have a kernel to su pport that, for example Setirons.
I'm not necessarily interested in overclocking, as it performs well as is. Of course there are arguments that overclocking may ultimately harm the phone, and arguments that by the time that happens, you'd be ready for a new phone. In any event, if I start getting slower, I may interest in overclocking.
Does anyone know if dramatic improvement in battery performance with underclocking?
I've noticed quite a bit of a difference, just pretty difficult to tune it precisely. (Coming from a person who enjoys overclocking computers a little too much). I just wish there was an app that would test each frequency and then let you know which one failed (without having to manually set it).
either with setcpu or voltage control...would someone care to just explain how to use these apps.
I understand the governers, and I understand the min / max.
So If I bump that max up to 1400 or even 1600 and leave the minimum down...what exactly does that do?
If paired with on demand does it mean it will use as much processor as it needs to perform a task all the way up to the max of what I have it set to?
also, the thing that seems to confuse me mostly are the individual sliders you can adjust per frequency.
I know this is broad question, but I was just hoping someone wouldnt mind explaining this to me as best as possible...or at least dumb it down for me.
I have googled and searched, and really havent found clear answers to me personally to understand it.
thanks
I personally use voltage control extreme.
In regards to the individual sliders you speak of, I believe that those control how many volts the phone uses at each particular frequency. You don't want to turn the voltages down too low/high though because you can freeze your phone and have other problems.
I use the "conservative" governor and seem to get the best battery life with it.
By overclocking to 1400 or 1600 it allows for your phone to run applications, videos, etc. smoother, by using the remaining cpu capabilities of the phone's hardware. The drawbacks of overclocking are that it sucks the battery very quickly, it can cause the cpu to overheat, and can also decrease the life of the processor.
Hope that helps some!
So what is a safe top end? To run on a daily basis.
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Every CPU is different, some will handle OC better than others. It all comes down to what is stable for you. Also, it isn't overclocking that decreases the life of the processor, but overvolting. Just set the voltages as low as possible while maintaining stability, test using a benchmarking app. Also, ondemand is the best choice of governor IMO.
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Every CPU is different, some will handle OC better than others. It all comes down to what is stable for you. Also, it isn't overclocking that decreases the life of the processor, but overvolting. Just set the voltages as low as possible while maintaining stability, test using a benchmarking app. Also, ondemand is the best choice of governor IMO.
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But doesn't overclocking cause the phone to heat up? I suppose it also depends on what temperature the phone is rated to safely run at too though doesn't it? Cause with increased temperatures I am pretty sure the processor's life could be impacted. But that is probably only if you overclock for a extended period of time.
I would suggest staying at 1.2 for daily use, but if you are doing something that requires a little more cpu you can just bump it up until you don't need it anymore.
Just my 2 cents worth.
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I know that some ppl OC to 1.6 with ondemand gov and use that as a stable setting... others report problems, FCs, ... think it depends on individual phone.
Some stay at 1.4 to be cautious...
The UV section is where I hear a lot of dissenting opinion. Some say -100 across the board gives best battery/stability... others say voltage should be high toward 1600 and UV more as you approach lower frequencies... personally I find that a graduated setup is best but I am not an expert.
Just sayin' what I've read here.
Coming from the HTC Desire, where SetCPU was the only to manage the CPU, I have developed a habit of using SetCPU with several frequency profiles and different governors for various situations. For instance, I use battery<80, <60, <40, <30, screen off, temp >40, >50, and a charging profile. For governors I use lulzactive2 for higher frequency ranges, interactive for mid range frequencies and on demand for the lower frequencies. Oh, this is all with the latest matr1x kernel.
Seeing how a lot of ROMs allow extensive controll of the CPU I was wondering if it wouldn't be more efficient to just set a min/max frequency, chose a governor, turn deep idle on (which is off while I'm using SetCPU) and leave it be.
What are your thoughts and experiences on the matter?
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profile ? that's completely unnecessary...
just set governor and min-max is enough.
we have NSTOOL, so looks like extended ROM controll also not necessary because not good enough compare to NSTOOL , but lots lots ROM has it build-in
I've never bothered with profiles. I can feel if the phone needs a break from the heat and performance is good for me with 100/1200 set and slight undervolting.
Battery life while idling won't change, only while using intensive apps, and with deep idle working and max freq screen off, music playback and the likes drains very little battery.
Try it and see, you need to be comfortable with it.
I agree with qtwrk. Profiles are, in most cases, detrimental. The following is especially true since Deep Idle was implemented: always let the CPU run as fast as possible to save energy. Sounds counterintuitive, but here's why: while lower CPU frequencies in general consume less energy PER TIME than higher CPU frequencies, the faster the CPU can finish it's job, the faster it can return to energy saving states. So in the end, reducing CPU frequency actually uses more energy... Just overclock to save values, use undervoltage to set lowest possible voltage values and go to sleep.
What's the minimum you can set the screen off max frequency so that music playback isn't choppy?
Also, is the phone always idle on screen off, or does music playback, or any other activity make the phone come out of idle, even if the screen is still off?
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I agree with qtwrk. Profiles are, in most cases, detrimental. The following is especially true since Deep Idle was implemented: always let the CPU run as fast as possible to save energy. Sounds counterintuitive, but here's why: while lower CPU frequencies in general consume less energy PER TIME than higher CPU frequencies, the faster the CPU can finish it's job, the faster it can return to energy saving states. So in the end, reducing CPU frequency actually uses more energy... Just overclock to save values, use undervoltage to set lowest possible voltage values and go to sleep.
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Very good point, for exemple cpu at 1000 MHz takes 1100 juices per second and 10 seconds to finish a task, total cost 10 x 1100 (11000 ) juice
If it runs at 1200 MHz takes 1200 juices per second, same task only needs 8.34 seconds, 8.34 x 1200 (10008) juices... this isn't real just number assumption and theoretically appears that way
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I agree with everything that was said here and actually posted about this very topic earlier on in the matr1x thread in regards to the lulzactive settings. People putting settings too much towards battery saving are actually not getting battery savings. They are making the CPU run longer and therefore more cycles and more power. Profiles are a bad idea too. They cause problems.
I decided to ask hear instead of creating new thread, etc.
In the amazing post of droidphile http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1369817 there's an information about SGS II, that
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(it's Cortex-A9).
And what about Cortex-A8 on Nexus S?
droidphile also says that on Milestone (Cortex-A8) 550Mhz is the frequency used in the calculations based on the optimal energy to run. Don't know what's the source of this info...
This is my third time typing this... (This website should really have an auto-save draft feature)
I recently installed the application "CPU Tuner" because I've always wanted to utilize my newly rooted phone. The phone is running Cyanogenmod 7.2 Stable, and currently overclocked at 1.5GHz. My main concern is overclocking my phone that high. Now, I didn't really choose that option, SetCPU automatically set it to that when it loaded a configuration. I'm a beginner to overclocking, and this is my first time doing it for anything. I've heard rumors of people melting their processors from overclocking it, so I want to know if it's okay if its overclocked to roughly twice the stock frequency of 800MHz. If it IS safe, then why isn't the phone automatically set to 1GHz to compare to it's twin, the Evo 4G? Or perhaps even 1.2GHz to surpass it? I would definitely be satisfied with 1.2GHz, but I wouldn't mind having 1.5GHz if it was stable and didn't drain the battery. On to the next question, would an OC this high cause instability and/or would it drain my battery? I only overclocked an hour ago, so I haven't experienced any problems whatsoever... yet. On to the profiles... I'd like some suggestions for improving my triggers. Right now, it set everything up to the highest frequency, but looking at the help, it said to not touch the frequency, but experiment with thresholds. In the Help, it doesn't tell you what the thresholds are, and what they do, and more importantly, how they work. It just shows that the highest is the most battery saving. I would have thought the lower the better, but... Anyway, if you could tell me, I'd be highly appreciated it. Finally, the battery temperature... It has an option to enable a setting to change profiles if the battery gets a certain temperature, but I'd like to know what would be considered "Overheating". I get paranoid when the battery temperature gets a little warm at around 36 Celsius... but the profile it switches to is supposed to really slow down the CPU to preserve battery, so I'd really rather not use it unless it's necessary. So, would 45 - 50 Celsius do, or should I set it a bit lower? My battery is 4000+ mV, if that'd help at all. If you know any sources that you can direct me to that would answer my questions, it'd be highly appreciated.
Wow ok . Well first off check out THIS thread. It will explain a lot about Governors, I/O Schedulers, and a bunch of the questions you have. As for people melting CPUs, I've never actually seen it happen, or know anyone who has had it happen on the Shift. That's not to say it's not possible. It may be, just not probable. The Shift processor compared to the OG EVO's is much better. The Shift even at the stock 800mHz out performs the EVO's processor at 1000mHz. That is in part because it is a 2nd Gen processor vs the EVO's 1st Gen Unit. The Battery Temp should try and always be kept below 115-120 Degrees Fahrenheit. I use SetCPU, and have a Profile that kicks in to lower the OC to around Stock should the Battery Temp every reach 110 Degrees Fahrenheit. My setting are 61mHz Min 1516mHz Max, Smartass V2 Governor, and SIO Scheduler. But every device is different, so your going to have to do a bit of experimenting till you find what works for you. If you get a lot of Random Reboots, lower your Max OC setting, or try a different Governor. BTW where did you get a 4000mAh Battery?
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Wow ok . Well first off check out THIS thread. It will explain a lot about Governors, I/O Schedulers, and a bunch of the questions you have. As for people melting CPUs, I've never actually seen it happen, or know anyone who has had it happen on the Shift. That's not to say it's not possible. It may be, just not probable. The Shift processor compared to the OG EVO's is much better. The Shift even at the stock 800mHz out performs the EVO's processor at 1000mHz. That is in part because it is a 2nd Gen processor vs the EVO's 1st Gen Unit. The Battery Temp should try and always be kept below 115-120 Degrees Fahrenheit. I use SetCPU, and have a Profile that kicks in to lower the OC to around Stock should the Battery Temp every reach 110 Degrees Fahrenheit. My setting are 61mHz Min 1516mHz Max, Smartass V2 Governor, and SIO Scheduler. But every device is different, so your going to have to do a bit of experimenting till you find what works for you. If you get a lot of Random Reboots, lower your Max OC setting, or try a different Governor. BTW where did you get a 4000mAh Battery?
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Thanks for the response. It's pretty late, so I've bookmarked the link to read tomorrow. Alright, so 45 degrees Celsius should the maximum then. I've been thinking of switching over to SetCPU, since there are more comprehensive guides than for CPU Tuner (In which no one seems to have heard about), and it doesn't seem that the settings it set will be ideal for the long run. Although, before I switch over to SetCPU, I want to at least give it a shot. I'll change my settings so that the frequency decreases depending on battery level. Also, I don't have much but the basic governors and configurations on CPU Tuner, so I've never heard of Smartass V2 (Prior to skimming through the link you posted). Also, the battery came with it, I knew it seemed a bit different from most other batteries (From what I've seen in searches, most of them had around 2000), but I didn't know it meant that much.
The Governor settings available will depend on the Kernel, not on the CPU Controller. I've always been partial to SetCPU, but that's just me. I would again suggest doing a bit of reading, and experimentation to find your best settings. But defiantly the closer to normal the Battery temperature is the better. When the Battery heats up to much it will in most cases also drain faster. If you can post a Pic of the Battery I would really like to see it. I've never come across a 400mAh Battery for the Shift.
When I first rooted my shift 2 years ago I was very concerned of over-heating. I constantly checked the temperature. After a while I realized it is quite hard to over heat and cause damage, especially with the newest kernels the devs have put out. Just experiment with different settings and see what works best for your phone
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about time for me to change roms again. i know there are many with this option, but have never chose to pursue that option due to lack of understanding benefits. always seemed to get satisfactory battery life out of phone, but could it be better? i have noticed different speeds on my phone with different roms but is this something that can speed up and keep the smooooth in my phone?
just thought i would get some feedback of the advantages and disadvantages of overclocking and undervolting.
will it harm my infuse?
what are good settings?
what exactly would the OC or UV each do?
if i run a search on this, i know i am going to get the phone book and just figured i would get a more specific answer directly as opposed to piecing little bits together and still not being confident in what my interpretation would be.
everyone in the infuse community always seems to have the answers and dont steer the dullards such as myself in the wrong direction.
you guys are the MAN, and well, you women.....your the woman i reckon
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will it harm my infuse?
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No, so significant damage can be done with overclocking. Alhought if you set your ghz too high your phone might become unresponsive, overheat and/or auto reboot your device. This is normal if your on GB and some ICS roms. Don't see it much on JB becuase the some kernels dont support it. Just be sure to play with your settings and MAKE SURE SET ON BOOT IS DISABLED or else your phone will be stuck in a bootloop when overclocked beyond stable settings.
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what are good settings?
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I usually stick with 1400 ghz because 1600 ghz[max] drains battery too quickly for not much of performance boost and 1600 is considered unstable on most GB and ICS roms. As for CPU governor Id stick with ONDEMAND.
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OC is over clocking your processor to a higher ghz for better perofmance and under volting is drawing less energy
Is there like a guide saying what each CPU governor does? Because some of them are pretty confusing with their terminology, like smartassv2
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Is there like a guide saying what each CPU governor does? Because some of them are pretty confusing with their terminology, like smartassv2
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1420742
I used to under volt a lot to get better battery life. But it seemed to make a couple apps hang now and then.
I am now on Scotts PA JellyBean ROM. Battery life is very good for me stock with this. So I have left under volt to stock settings.
Normally I'll run on smartassV2 governer. With NOOP i/o. And 100mhz - 1400mhz.. just for a little extra boost.
When I know I'll be playing a game or multitasking, I'll boost it to 1600mhz.
Overall stock settings run amazing, both battery life and performance, on Scott's PA JB and CM10.
After doing some reading, I believe I can get better results from using the above settings. It all depends on what your personal goal is.
The biggest concern you should have when overclocking is mentioned above. Boot loop, just make sure you test it for a while with set on boot un checked.
Undervolting you can go to low and also boot loop, so same applies here... leave set on boot un checked. All phones are different on what settings they run best at. Just gotta play around and see what works for you.
A good rule of thumb for under voting... go down 25mv at a time and test it out... keep going down 25mv until you get a problem or boot loop and then go back.. then you'll know your max.
You can safely under volt more on the lower frequencies than you can the higher ones. Personally I never undervolted more than 100mv across the board. And when I did, I usually kept it around -50mv.
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not for infuse but a good reference for ocuv. explains what they do
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1827635
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This is the best guide I've found covering kernel and system tuning - CPU parameters, governors, schedulers, init.d, loadable modules, etc. It's for the SGS2 (i9000) and some of the governors/schedulers are not available on the Infuse, but much of this is applicable to our phone:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1369817
As for OC/UV, as long as you stay away from the "Performance" governor (this runs the phone at max freq all the time), and undervolting below -75 to -100 you generally will be safe. As phones are different, it is important to test in gradual steps to ensure your phone will be reliable. Use a good CPU manager, like SetCPU, Antutu, or Voltage Control. Make sure you enable the "revert to stock" feature so that you can boot recovery and turn off any bad OC/UV. As noted above, do not check the enable on boot setting until you are certain you have a good config.
The decision to OC should take into account how you use the phone. If your phone is asleep more than 80% of the time on average, you can probably run an OC config and still have overall good battery life (i.e. lasting an entire day with nightly recharges). If you use your phone for music playback or something else that prevents it from sleeping, OC may not be for you. If you run CPU intensive games, it is better to disable UV settings while OCed.
Use CPU Spy to keep an eye on your time at each freq state (and sleep). Use the default battery stats and graph to monitor which apps are consuming the most battery. Use apps like Better Battery Stats, Android Assistant and Watchdog for more detailed monitoring of what is keeping the phone awake and which apps/processes are top cpu resource consumers. With this information you can identify problem apps and decide whether you should remove them from your phone.
From the "unintended functionality" side of the house, there are certain tweaks that will cause your phone to run at max freq ... mucking around with phone properties in build.prop can lead to runaway rild process problems (usually shows up as unusually high "Dialer" in the standard battery stats list and a phone that is warm or hot to the touch). Some of the tweak scripts in adrenaline and tbolt can cause similar problems. There is a known bug in the infuse network drivers that shows up as much higher than normal Android OS battery usage. This can usually be corrected (short term fix) by toggling Flight/Airplane mode off/on. Running the stock UCLB3 GB kernel also seems to minimize this issue (assuming you are running a GB ROM), but flash with caution as you will need to disable voodoo lagfix first. (You will also lose CWM recovery, OC/UV capability, and be on the slower stock file system setup).
I have done a fair amount of experimenting including lots of time on conservative governor with Fmax=1600 and never had any problem that I attributed to OC'ing.
In contrast I did find a limit on UVing. I just updated my thread with my experience on uv here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=32552571#post32552571
The bottom line is that for MY phone, the following works fine:
100 Mhz: 950mv max – 50mv = 900 millivolts
200 Mhz: 950mv max – 25= 925 millivolts
400 Mhz: 1050mv max – 50mv = 1000 millivolts
800 Mhz: 1200mv max – 75 mv = 1125 millivolts
1200 Mhz: 1275mv max – 50mv = 1225 millivolts
1600 Mhz: 1400mv max – 75mv = 1325 millivolts
Some other links with others' experience suggestions about UV'ing for Infuse:
Hozw low is your undervolt?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1693689&highlight=kernel
[Q] Recommended SetCPU settings?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1292836&highlight=setcpu
You’ll note the last thread has comments from Entropy’s settings.
Also Zen and qkster gave advice in the first thread (my thread).
All three guys very well respected and worth listening to.
Entropy mentioned you can uv the higher frequencies more than the lower (different than what was posted earlier in this thread). I don’t know for sure but I’d lean toward Entropy’s advice on that matter.
I think all in all somewhere between 50 and 100 is the max you can expect to undervolt.
What can be achieved varies with phone as stated by many.
You are welcome to experiment with slowly decreasing. That's what I did.
But in the benefit of hindsight, the process of slowly decreasing is tedious. And going beyond the limit was a little scarey for me. Could've been worse if the phone crapped out at a critical time during "experimenting". Like almost everything related to battery life, the results (how much benefit) seem y subjective (difficult to measure quantitatively). Most people say they don’t notice a dramatic difference with UV. If you want to get the low hanging fruit without a lot effort, you might just try 50 down. That's what I'd do if I had to do it all over again.
By the way, setcpu can be set up to provide a failsafe escape route even if you go overboard. There is a zip file that will toggle the setcpu settings off when launched from CWM. You just have to put the zip file on your sd card before you start tweaking. See "safe mode" in the setcpu documentation.
started to wonder at first whether i would get any responses after 218 views and nothing, but i knew the community would come through as they always do. all the regulars as usual regulars ( Zen, Quickster and others) are always eager to help. i think you have all provided me with the valuable info i requested.
thank you much party people