Where to buy a WORKING OEM Sensation USB cable? - HTC Sensation

So far I've bought usb cables from 2 different sellers on Ebay, both claimed that the cables were "OEM" and official HTC products. However, after receiving the cables, they do not charge my phone when either plugged into the wall or into my computer. When plugged into my computer, I can transfer files, but the battery does not charge. So I'm looking for a place that sells genuine OEM usb cables for the Sensation. Can anyone recommend a site?

That's really strange. I'm using my BB charger and a generic usb cable. Both work fine for charging.

Sounds like ur phone or battery issues. I can charge my senny with any cable oem or not
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Not sure if it's an issue with my phone because I can charge it with the cable that came with my phone, and I did buy a generic usb charger from best buy that worked, but that cable fell apart after 3 months and I'd like to get one that is longer lasting.

alitomari said:
So far I've bought usb cables from 2 different sellers on Ebay, both claimed that the cables were "OEM" and official HTC products. However, after receiving the cables, they do not charge my phone when either plugged into the wall or into my computer. When plugged into my computer, I can transfer files, but the battery does not charge. So I'm looking for a place that sells genuine OEM usb cables for the Sensation. Can anyone recommend a site?
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I am using my Nokia n97 cable and charger which works very good. I had problem with HTC cable.
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http://www.all4cellular.com/
Search HTC sensation and you'll see it. I bought 3 just in case.

How does a usb cable not last? Do u not take care of ur stuff?
alitomari said:
Not sure if it's an issue with my phone because I can charge it with the cable that came with my phone, and I did buy a generic usb charger from best buy that worked, but that cable fell apart after 3 months and I'd like to get one that is longer lasting.
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I travel a lot and when a cable is low quality to begin with I think the wrapping and unwrapping of it wears the cable out quickly.
vabeachfc3s said:
How does a usb cable not last? Do u not take care of ur stuff?
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I have an extra oem cable if you want to buy it for dirt cheap
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Wall charger

The wall charger (micro usb cable and plug) is way too short to be useful to me. I bought a cheap one off ebay, and it barely fits. I'm afraid to use it because it's so hard to unplug once you get it in. Anybody have any good suggestions for a longer wall charger that actually fits.
What about trying a retractable female-to-male USB extension cable to run between the wall outlet adapter and the HTC USB cable? I believe most PC and cell phone accessory stores sell them for around $5 - $10 and will extend up to around 3 - 4 additional feet. Here's a link to one that's in stock at HTC Depot...
http://www.htcdepot.com/smartphone-experts-usb-extension-cable/5A18A625.htm
Yeah...I have one.
At least that way you aren't cramming something that doesn't fit into the phone and risking damaging the USB port.
i brought a couple of micro USB cables from meritline it took 2 weeks for them to come here. it cost me $4 including shipping for 2 cables. They ship then from HK. So far I am using this cable in my office and have not has any issue
I currently use a 5' male to female USB "extension cord"... Been using it for years and highly recommend the setup.
On another note, if someone were to trip over the cord, it has an extra breakaway point now... I believe it cost me $5 for two of them... Gave the other as a gift...
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boredbutter said:
I currently use a 5' male to female USB "extension cord"... Been using it for years and highly recommend the setup.
On another note, if someone were to trip over the cord, it has an extra breakaway point now... I believe it cost me $5 for two of them... Gave the other as a gift...
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Could you post a link to the cord you got with the breakaway point? I would really like to get something like that, I have tripped over my cord wayy too many times, even ended up bending the micro-usb tips.
monoprice.com.
they have every size you can dream of.
http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10303#1030307
dusto2k3 said:
monoprice.com.
they have every size you can dream of.
http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10303#1030307
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Hey Zel, cleanup on isle 7
thanks.
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volumnus said:
The wall charger (micro usb cable and plug) is way too short to be useful to me. I bought a cheap one off ebay, and it barely fits. I'm afraid to use it because it's so hard to unplug once you get it in. Anybody have any good suggestions for a longer wall charger that actually fits.
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In the past I have bought longer usb cables and just had them shipped from Hong Koing as well. However, recently I just ran out to Walmart and paid $10 for a 4 foot usb cable and charger. Though you can get it for cheaper, I needed it right away.
I just ordered a standard Android USB cable and plug it into a USB extension cable. Works fine for me.
I use a blackberry 1.5mm data cable
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mines plugged into an ipad wall unit with a cheapy walmart whatever brand cable coming from that to the inspire.
I use the one for my Kindle. Its super long and reaches to my bed well haha.
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The best place to buy cables, or get cables is a local hotel...
they may give to you if you are nice... but always offer half price...
they may take you in a lost and found room where you can pick what you like...
I use the usb from my car charger which is like 5 feet long just look for those they might be cheaper than the regular wall charger
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I feel I must resurrect old thread to second the monoprice suggestion. Monoprice is cord mecca.
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2 in 1 charger usb cable ?

Im looking for and bought on ebay is one of those square ac/usb extra battery chargers along with a true samsung droid charge cable like what I got with the oem phone. Eveything I am finding is either generic or a samsung cable that is generic or from a different samsung phone. The one that actually came in the box with my phone seems to fit the best over all that I have tried or bought.
Micro USB only come in one size. Each one will prob have different voltage or what not but should fit the same as your stock cord.
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jager420 said:
Micro USB only come in one size. Each one will prob have different voltage or what not but should fit the same as your stock cord.
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Partly true-all microUSB comes in the same size. However, all USB operates at 5V, so there is no voltage difference. Amperage may vary from charger to charger though. A normal USB port is designed to run at 500 mA. The stock charger can provide up to 1A, but the kernel regulates it. I have an LG cable for charging in my car, and my OEM cable roams around my house.
So, are you looking for a battery charger or a phone charger?
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/3x-Battery-...&otn=2&po=LVI&ps=63&clkid=5655102592788266837
Not looking for the batteries as I just use the charger. Ended up buying one and the battery will sit around as I have enough. I did also buy some samsung usb cables but again none look or connect as well as the one that came with the phone for some reason. They work so thats what counts.

Charger has a short cord

this is my first HTC device, so maybe this is standard... but with my 2 prior samsung devices, the usb cord that came with the charger was about twice as long as the one that came with my HTC One X. it seems like it is unreasonably short. i'm going to have to get an extension cord to plug it into the wall and let the phone sit on my nightstand while charging!
mfpearson said:
this is my first HTC device, so maybe this is standard... but with my 2 prior samsung devices, the usb cord that came with the charger was about twice as long as the one that came with my HTC One X. it seems like it is unreasonably short. i'm going to have to get an extension cord to plug it into the wall and let the phone sit on my nightstand while charging!
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You can always use your old usb cords they will work
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Like the person above me said, use the old one you have. Problem solved.
All phone companies are going this way. A penny saved is a penny earned. lol. I guess we have Apple to thank for this one. Their sync cables have always been short. Only takes one, and the rest will follow.
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mikelebz said:
You can always use your old usb cords they will work
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yeah i'm sure the old one will work. but i want to sell my ATT GSII, and to get the most money for it i'll have to sell the charger with it. really don't want to go out and buy another usb cord... so i'll just go with the extension cord in the outlet. it is disappointing though.
mine is the same length as my samsung usb...
nevermind
designgears said:
mine is the same length as my samsung usb...
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mine is a good 6 inches shorter, at least. which samsung? i've had an infuse and a SGSII (both AT&T) over the past 9 months, and those have long usb cords.
Search eBay for "samsung OEM micro USB cable". I bought a whole bunch of them a while back; about $1.99 each with free shipping. Also, you can get the Samsung wall chargers, which have a lengthy cord as well. Search for "Samsung OEM wall charger", when I bought them they were around $3.00
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N4 LG charger and USB cable

I need an extra USB cable for charging my N4 in my car because I use a Scosche dual USB charger 2.1 amp. Will any USB cable be fine like the one in the link below or should I be looking for anything specific? I don't want something to mess up my N4 battery.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00AHEQ6FC/ref=aw_cr_item_title?qid=1360505932&sr=8-19
Is there anywhere that sells the original LG travel charger?
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I was wondering the same thing. I'd like to get a couple extra USB wall chargers and micro USB cables to go with them. I'd like it to be as efficient and safe as possible for my Nexus 4 as well as friends that may need a charger. (N4 taking priority here)
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Well as long as the power supplied is 5V (the usb standard) and under 1.2 amp (the output of the factory wall adaptor) you should be safe not burning out your phone. If you are just asking about a usb to micro usb cable then it shouldn't matter since the cable should supply the right voltage anyways.
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Panzer500 said:
Well as long as the power supplied is 5V (the usb standard) and under 1.2 amp (the output of the factory wall adaptor) you should be safe not burning out your phone. If you are just asking about a usb to micro usb cable then it shouldn't matter since the cable should supply the right voltage anyways.
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The phone will only take the amps that it needs. I would get a 2A+ charger to be on the safe side.
dinosaur1 said:
I need an extra USB cable for charging my N4 in my car because I use a Scosche dual USB charger 2.1 amp. Will any USB cable be fine like the one in the link below or should I be looking for anything specific? I don't want something to mess up my N4 battery.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00AHEQ6FC/ref=aw_cr_item_title?qid=1360505932&sr=8-19
Is there anywhere that sells the original LG travel charger?
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Call me crazy/oc/weird but I bought this: http://www.buychina.com/items/lg-f1...p880-original-line-charge-charger-qrwrvpsqjhm
I'm perfectly aware I can use other chargers and cables but I like to have an oem extra if I need it. 10usd and 2 weeks wait isn't so bad
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I use this with my nexus 4
http://www.amazon.com/PowerGen-Dual...71&sr=8-1&keywords=powergen+dual+port+charger
Actually used it for my Nexus 7 and when I got my Nexus 4 I always used it for that. Never even bothered opening up my stock charger or cable. Dual port is nice if you want to charge 2 devices at 1 amp each without having a bunch of chargers plugged in.
thephantom said:
Call me crazy/oc/weird but I bought this: http://www.buychina.com/items/lg-f1...p880-original-line-charge-charger-qrwrvpsqjhm
I'm perfectly aware I can use other chargers and cables but I like to have an oem extra if I need it. 10usd and 2 weeks wait isn't so bad
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Woah! Thanks man! I've been looking everywhere for this! Haha
I love the OEM USB Cable, especially cause it fits with all of my cases.
I would love to get the OEM charger, but after my current one acting up (usb wire for some reason keeps making it say usb charging despite being plugged into wall outlet), I'm cautious.
facetubespam said:
I would love to get the OEM charger, but after my current one acting up (usb wire for some reason keeps making it say usb charging despite being plugged into wall outlet), I'm cautious.
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This is one of the reasons I bought the oem charger. Had the ac/usb issue. Changed wires and still does that. Used my gnex charger and it didn't give me problems. So I said it must be the charger itself. Bought the new one and now I'm confident when plugging my phone in. No more issues on the ac/usb charging thing
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thephantom said:
This is one of the reasons I bought the oem charger. Had the ac/usb issue. Changed wires and still does that. Used my gnex charger and it didn't give me problems. So I said it must be the charger itself. Bought the new one and now I'm confident when plugging my phone in. No more issues on the ac/usb charging thing
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Hmm... for me, I changed the wires and it works. I think I would rather just save the $10 and put it towards the "wheneveritisreleased" Wireless Charging Orb.....or the TYLT VU when it comes out in April.
Hi guys, I have a few micro USB chargers lying around. Just wondering if using these would harm my N4:
12 V, 500mA
5 V, 2.1 A
5 V, 1.9 A
5 V, 1 A
The 12 V 500mA charger makes my phone's screen go haywire (applications opening and closing by themselves) but it does charge the phone.
facetubespam said:
Hmm... for me, I changed the wires and it works. I think I would rather just save the $10 and put it towards the "wheneveritisreleased" Wireless Charging Orb.....or the TYLT VU when it comes out in April.
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at least you narrowed it down fast to the wire. in my case after swapping just the wires it was still the same. then when i used the original n4 charger on my gnex, my gnex suddenly had the ac/usb charging issue. my problem with not getting another charger was i sometimes charge both phones at the same time so i needed one more. good thing a couple of searches led me to the buychina site and now all works well.
I am very interested in this topic as I believe I'm going to need a new USB > MicroUSB cable. My cat accidentally knocked off my N4 while it was charging using the original cable/charger. While it seems the charger itself is okay, the cable is what I am worried about. The end seems slightly bent and, while it will plug into the N4 (which will report charging) it doesn't go as "easily". From visual inspection I think the problem is with the cable's microUSB end; I really hope that the N4's socket itself is not bent/damaged in anyway, but I cannot see any visual signs thereof.
I was really hoping to pick up another OEM charging kit, but it appears that (assuming they are legit ) that one can only find them on Taobao/ChinaBuy as linked above? I was hoping Amazon would have them. With this in mind, will there be anything specific to look for finding another "USB to MicroUSB cable" from Amazon to use with the existing, undamaged OEM charger? Thanks.
I'm no expert but I believe there shouldn't be any issue of you get a different cable. I've used an HTC, Samsung and Asus calls with the LG charger and there aren't any issues. If it's just the cable you need, go with Amazon. It'll be faster
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thephantom said:
I'm no expert but I believe there shouldn't be any issue of you get a different cable. I've used an HTC, Samsung and Asus calls with the LG charger and there aren't any issues. If it's just the cable you need, go with Amazon. It'll be faster
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Great, thanks. It seems logical that all "USB A > MicroUSB B" cables should be capable of the same thing, but I just wanted to be sure I wasn't missing something that would say, impair my ability to use this cable for not only charging with the OEM wall charger, but charging from my PC's USB ports, connecting to said PC via USB Debugging for rooting/flashing etc...
thephantom said:
Call me crazy/oc/weird but I bought this: http://www.buychina.com/items/lg-f1...p880-original-line-charge-charger-qrwrvpsqjhm
I'm perfectly aware I can use other chargers and cables but I like to have an oem extra if I need it. 10usd and 2 weeks wait isn't so bad
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Thanks! How did you find this site?
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dinosaur1 said:
Thanks! How did you find this site?
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Oh just by looking at different cases and then someone from xda mentioned that site. Did some searching and I saw it had the chargers too. Couldn't find it on eBay or Amazon before. Haven't checked lately though
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I am currently using a Trent car charger with a LG OEM micro usb cable, charging at 5V at 1A. http://www.amazon.com/dp/B009HD44US/ref=pe_175190_21431760_M3T1_ST1_dp_1
For travel and and backup, I use a genuine LG Travel Charger with a LG OEM micro USB Cable, which also charges at 5V at 1A. http://www.theaccessoryking.com/lg-accessories/travel-chargers/ssad0033801/travel-charger-wusb-charging-cable-micro-usb-platform.html
innumerabilis said:
Hi guys, I have a few micro USB chargers lying around. Just wondering if using these would harm my N4:
12 V, 500mA
5 V, 2.1 A
5 V, 1.9 A
5 V, 1 A
The 12 V 500mA charger makes my phone's screen go haywire (applications opening and closing by themselves) but it does charge the phone.
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DUDE!!!! The 12V charger can KILL your phone.. The phone is designed for 5volts..
As long as the charger supplies 5 volts it is okay... even a 10 amp charger will work fine (if availiable ).. The current is controlled by the device (nexus 4 in this case).. It will draw how much current it requires.. Voltage on the other hand is decided by the charger.... 12volts will fry the device...
Techguy18 said:
DUDE!!!! The 12V charger can KILL your phone.. The phone is designed for 5volts..
As long as the charger supplies 5 volts it is okay... even a 10 amp charger will work fine (if availiable ).. The current is controlled by the device (nexus 4 in this case).. It will draw how much current it requires.. Voltage on the other hand is decided by the charger.... 12volts will fry the device...
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Oops, thanks for this heads up! I've used the 12V charger for weeks without any noticeable damage (though the screen goes haywire when it is plugged in). I'll switch to the original N4 charger now.

OEM USB Cable

Has anyone found a spot to buy them? The ones on the Samsung site look different. And I want to make sure the end fits inside my case because the hole is designed for the cable that comes with the phone. I don't want to get into cutting the case or cable ends.
v3rn said:
Has anyone found a spot to buy them? The ones on the Samsung site look different. And I want to make sure the end fits inside my case because the hole is designed for the cable that comes with the phone. I don't want to get into cutting the case or cable ends.
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Don't waste your money buying them from samsung. All usb cables are the same, just find a cheap one on amazon or monoprice. You could just look at pictures and find one that looks small enough to fit your case.
Edit- well I guess this is wrong. I've bought a few couple cheap usb cables and never had a problem but other people have.
Just to let you know...the tmobile mytouch usb fits into the neo case too. They might be cheaper too
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B004MD87T2/ref=mp_s_a_1_27?qid=1369346910&sr=8-27&pi=SL75
Under 4 bucks shipped
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fly3rs28 said:
Don't waste your money buying them from samsung. All usb cables are the same, just find a cheap one on amazon or monoprice. You could just look at pictures and find one that looks small enough to fit your case.
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I used to think the same thing, but this is absolutely not true. You can download the app Galaxy Charging Current and compare your charging rates with different cables. If you don't believe the app, you can start from a specific charge level and time the charge with the screen off and no apps running. There can be a significant difference. There are several posts throughout the GS4 forums if you search for the app name.
This isn't only true for the GS4 either. I tried using a USB 2.0 extension cable I bought in 03 or 04 to extend my Palm Pre touchstone, but the phone wouldn't consistently charge with the extension in place.
How's the charging speed on those? I know some cheaper cables don't charge as quickly.
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Don't waste your money buying them from samsung. All usb cables are the same, just find a cheap one on amazon or monoprice. You could just look at pictures and find one that looks small enough to fit your case.
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NOT all cables are the same!
The included one with the phone allows charging up to 1900mA. The one from the S3 (for example) will only charge up to 960. I have some that won't go over 460.
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Its true about the varying speeds of usb cables. Here are some pics of the app with different usb plugs:
Pic 1: unplugged
Pic 2: white Samsung cable (stock)
Pic 3: htc evo 3d cable (stock)
Pic 4: htc evo 3d cable (aftermarket from car adapter)
I will grab the palm pre cables speed on Tuesday when I go to work.
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So is it the cable that is affecting the charging current, or is it just the charger itself?
Thanks
v3rn said:
Has anyone found a spot to buy them? The ones on the Samsung site look different. And I want to make sure the end fits inside my case because the hole is designed for the cable that comes with the phone. I don't want to get into cutting the case or cable ends.
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Wouldnt you be able to get a replacement cable from saumsung?
Foulwx said:
So is it the cable that is affecting the charging current, or is it just the charger itself?
Thanks
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Both.
What is strange to me the phone with that app reports it's getting 1900mA when I use an old HTC charger capable of 1A (1000mA) @ 5V when using the OEM USB cable. Either that HTC charger's specs were grossly understated or the phone itself tries to sense electrical properties of the USB cable? Not sure if that last bit is even possible.
Anyone with knowledge on how the phone determines how much current to draw on a lower level? Kinda curious.
Also, there are sellers on eBay for the original S4 charging cable for something like $7, or same charging cable and 2A wall adapter for $10.
See for example: http://www.ebay.com/itm/230980370756
The part number they list (ETA-U90JWE) is the same as my OEM charger, that can do 2A @ 5 V.
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Its true about the varying speeds of usb cables. Here are some pics of the app with different usb plugs:
Pic 1: unplugged
Pic 2: white Samsung cable (stock)
Pic 3: htc evo 3d cable (stock)
Pic 4: htc evo 3d cable (aftermarket from car adapter)
I will grab the palm pre cables speed on Tuesday when I go to work.
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With palm pre usb cable and power adapter
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v3rn said:
Has anyone found a spot to buy them? The ones on the Samsung site look different. And I want to make sure the end fits inside my case because the hole is designed for the cable that comes with the phone. I don't want to get into cutting the case or cable ends.
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:BUMP:
Also looking for a 1900mA charger/usb chord combo. Found 2 "OEM" fakes on Amazon (reviews reported fake), and can't just buy, and hope for the best on eBay. Looking to see if someone has bought, tried, and tested a charger/chord combo that does 1900mA from a reliable source. I'm not paying $40+ for a charger/usb chord from samsung. There's got to be an alternative.
Newegg.com sells them.
I've ordered this charger + cable (aware of the risk of fake, will be comparing to my included/OEM), this micro USB cable, and this micro USB cable.
Also waiting on this car charger.
Using Battery Monitor Widget app to get mA readings during charge.
Will report back with results as I receive and test.
I bought this, since my S4 came with the european one, this is 100% original (Same that comes with the S4 and Note 2):
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Samsung-Uni...A_Chargers&hash=item48575436ad#ht_5253wt_1170
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B009YDFX7Y/ref=cm_sw_r_an_am_ap_am_us?ie=UTF8
Bought that one from seller1on1. Came in today. Cable is shorter than OEM but has the same current
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FYI regarding my post above, I've started a separate thread since this one has gone a bit off-topic. Sorry OP!
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Also looking for a 1900mA charger/usb chord combo. Found 2 "OEM" fakes on Amazon (reviews reported fake), and can't just buy, and hope for the best on eBay. Looking to see if someone has bought, tried, and tested a charger/chord combo that does 1900mA from a reliable source. I'm not paying $40+ for a charger/usb chord from samsung. There's got to be an alternative.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=44181182&postcount=2
bo8 said:
I've ordered ... this micro USB cable.
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Wasting money here ... finally received above cable via DX.com and nope, only transmits 700 mA max to the S4. fakkkk

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