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Hey all,
I've tried on multiple occasions now to overclock my phone, using both the Trinity & Netarchy (1.1) kernel, everytime I have done so however it will put me into a bootloop, sometimes not getting past the nexus boot animation or lock screen, I'm sure that I'm doing everything right
1. Wipe data/cache
2. Flash ROM (I've tried Stock, Bionic, CM & Modaco, which I use currently.)
3. Boot
4. Flash kernel
5. Boot
I've no idea what's going on, I've just about given up, perhaps I've been handed a crappy piece of silicon, should have returned it before it was too late
Any help appreciated anyways, peacee.
Instead of flashing the ROM and then immediately applying the kernel, let the phone completely reboot. Then go back into recovery and flash the new kernel. Should work.
I've tried this already dude, probably should of mentioned it in my steps cheers anyhows
risegeek said:
I've tried this already dude, probably should of mentioned it in my steps cheers anyhows
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Which variations of the Trinity and Netarchy kernels have you tried and for which rom?
kenvan19 said:
Which variations of the Trinity and Netarchy kernels have you tried and for which rom?
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I've tried Trinity 1.2 > 1.4 on Modaco, Bionix & Cyanogen platforms
I've tried Netarchy 1.1 > Modaco & Cyanogen (1.0 was actually working but following the thread it wasn't actually applying the overclock )
risegeek said:
I've tried Trinity 1.2 > 1.4 on Modaco, Bionix & Cyanogen platforms
I've tried Netarchy 1.1 > Modaco & Cyanogen (1.0 was actually working but following the thread it wasn't actually applying the overclock )
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Have you tried Netarchy 1.2 yet? I've had a lot of issues with CM7, including kernels. Sometimes I would have to just flash the kernel 3 times and then it would work. Now I'm using MoDaCo and it is infinitely more stable. I've noticed the trinity kernels tend to be a little more volatile and hit or miss than the Netarchy one seems to be. If it is really of grave concern to you, if you live in an area where a return would be easily possible and if you are within your return period, return it and try a different slice of silicon
I've actually had this phone since release date, sadly I am out of the return period, I don't really mind all that much, this phone has been amazing coming from a constantly slow and crashing iPhone 3G.
I've just downloaded the new kernel from Netarchy, it seems to address stability issues regarding voltage, which I think it might be. I'll flash it and update this post in a second.
EDIT: Hasn't helped seems to be looping at the Google screen now.
Same thing is happening to me. I've had my phone since launch date and I can't seem to get it to overclock more than 1.3ghz (which is very unstable). It's so frustrating when people are posting pictures of 4000+ score on quadrant and I get a bootloop instead. I really hope they can tweak it so that people like us can run at these higher frequencies.
What the heck? I keep hitting edit but it keeps quoting =( please delete.
sanketrino said:
Same thing is happening to me. I've had my phone since launch date and I can't seem to get it to overclock more than 1.3ghz (which is very unstable). It's so frustrating when people are posting pictures of 4000+ score on quadrant and I get a bootloop instead. I really hope they can tweak it so that people like us can run at these higher frequencies.
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Have you tried Netarchy's kernel? A link to his thread is in my sig and it works great for me. It will boot you to 1GHz then using SetCPU (which can be attained for free on XDA, legally, just search for it. The Dev posted it) you can up the clock speed. You should take note however that the Nexus S is damned fast stock. I typically run my phone at 1.2GHz unless I want to show off to my friends and then I bump it up hehe
EDIT: Thank you also for not posting a new thread about this Its nice to see people using the search function!
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I'm using netarchy's kernel right now at 1.3ghz but as soon as i go to 1.4ghz it crashes which is slightly annoying. 1.3ghz is much more stable now though.
sanketrino said:
I'm using netarchy's kernel right now at 1.3ghz but as soon as i go to 1.4ghz it crashes which is slightly annoying. 1.3ghz is much more stable now though.
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Odd...for my own testing purposes I've been running at 1.4GHz (testing battery life vs other clock speeds) since yesterday and haven't had a single crash. What ROM are you using?
I'm using modaco r10 and correction to my earlier post, 1.3ghz on netarchy's kernel isn't much better than trinity. Ran Nfs shift for 5 seconds and it rebooted.
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sanketrino said:
I'm using modaco r10 and correction to my earlier post, 1.3ghz on netarchy's kernel isn't much better than trinity. Ran Nfs shift for 5 seconds and it rebooted.
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Hmm, I used his 1.1v kernel on MoDaCo but never the new kernel so I can't speak to its stability.
Some phones are able to run up to 1.4-1.5 without issues whereas some aren't due to hardware limitations (different batch,build quality etc).
Most however, from what i read in the forums, are able to clock up to 1.3 with either kernels (CFS or BFS, versions types etc) without facing the issue of random rebootings.
Personally, i'm only able to clock up to 1.3. I'll get random reboots if i run smartbench with a 1.4. Quadrant is fine for me at 1.4 though. Was able to get ~3500-3600 scores but in terms of real life situations, i can't tell the difference between a 1.3 to 1.4.
Hey guys,
seems my thread is still alive I flashed the newest version of netarchy the other day, I can manage 1.2-1.3 quite happily atm - I have to manually use SetCPU after each boot though, if I set on boot it will loop
ah well.
Why are you guys putting out so many roms and kernels, I can hardly get any "real" work done on my phone because I'm too busy testing out every new version of every new rom/kernel that comes out. Come on! I need some sleep to.
Well frankly I prefer a buffet where I can choose what I want rather than being told what to eat.
In Soviet Russia, ROM chooses YOU!
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necosino said:
In Soviet Russia, ROM chooses YOU!
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Haha fantastic !
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ITA!
The myriad of ROMs and kernels have turned me into somewhat of a flash addict.. if I'm not flashing something at least a couple times a day my skin starts itching and I begin to twitch.
nerozehl said:
ITA!
The myriad of ROMs and kernels have turned me into somewhat of a flash addict.. if I'm not flashing something at least a couple times a day my skin starts itching and I begin to twitch.
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Welcome to the brotherhood my fellow crackflashaholic.
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Well since you guys are soo experienced with different kernals let me ask you this question..
I just got my thunderbolt and I wanna root my phone and overclock it safely to 1.6g. So, which kernel would you recommend? BTW I AM A BIT OF A NOOB!! so please try and keep the terms as "noob friendly" as possibly haha. Thanks guys!
leanKernel supports 1.92 and BAMF will do up to 1.4, I believe.
Do you want sense? Run Perfect Storm roms with bamf kernel.
Do you want aosp? Run cyanogen with imoseyon aosp kernel.
Do you want sense removed? Run blackhole with bamf kernel.
OC to 1.92 I don't suggest, my phone locks up at that speed. OC to 1.4 stable.
magicriggs said:
Do you want sense? Run Perfect Storm roms with bamf kernel.
Do you want aosp? Run cyanogen with imoseyon aosp kernel.
Do you want sense removed? Run blackhole with bamf kernel.
OC to 1.92 I don't suggest, my phone locks up at that speed. OC to 1.4 stable.
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I'm stock, rooted, running bang 4.4.5 kernel, and get 24+hrs from my extended battery (a must-have) might be weird, but I like Sense...
OK, so here's a (useful?) question/request to all you ROM addicts (I am not one, unfortunately!):
Is there (it would be nice if there was) a comparison of ALL kernels and ROMs to see which gets the best battery life on their Thunderbolt?
This would, obviously, have to be done by one person trying out different combinations of kernels and ROMs, as everyone has different usage patterns (and different batteries!! --each battery, it seems, behaves differently).
But I think it would be very helpful for many of us folks to have a good, consistent, complete, at least somewhat accurate comparison, as the battery issue seems to be probably the single largest issue affecting the most people with the TB.
Anyone?
Why do you need to overlook to 1.6? For being a noob, that's rather aggressive
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1027706
read read read!
noob question - what does s-off mean?
also, what advantages are there to removing sense?
Just a holdover until CM7 is fully working.
squeakyl said:
noob question - what does s-off mean?
also, what advantages are there to removing sense?
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S-off means security is turned off on your phone. This will allow you to install whatever ROM you want to the phone.
ooohhhh
psufan5 said:
Just a holdover until CM7 is fully working.
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This i can't wait for!
I might root and then hang by until the CM arrives. Only had my Bolt about 10 days now, and want to see it in action untouched, (but also minus these bad network connections), if CM7 is indeed close i'm going to wait for it.
mg00000 said:
This i can't wait for!
I might root and then hang by until the CM arrives. Only had my Bolt about 10 days now, and want to see it in action untouched, (but also minus these bad network connections), if CM7 is indeed close i'm going to wait for it.
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CM is here. They have some WIFI and 4g problems but other than that the ROM is complete.
As the title states, I'm looking for just a stock kernel with BLN support. My phone seems to dislike the modded kernels like netarchy and matr1x. I've tried the cfs and bfs variants and my battery life plummets. I've tried netarchy kernel without using the bln and still getting the same battery life.
Stock kernel on stock 2.3.4 my phone has 30+ hours of battery life and running a modded kernel battery life drops to 12-15 hours. Still a decent amount of life compared to my old evo. I've played with compiling my own kernel but can't seem to find any threads or how-to's on putting bln support into a kernel.
sedracer said:
As the title states, I'm looking for just a stock kernel with BLN support. My phone seems to dislike the modded kernels like netarchy and matr1x. I've tried the cfs and bfs variants and my battery life plummets. I've tried netarchy kernel without using the bln and still getting the same battery life.
Stock kernel on stock 2.3.4 my phone has 30+ hours of battery life and running a modded kernel battery life drops to 12-15 hours. Still a decent amount of life compared to my old evo. I've played with compiling my own kernel but can't seem to find any threads or how-to's on putting bln support into a kernel.
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Unfortunately, the 'Stock' kernel just doesn't support the added hooks which Netarchy and its peers have added into their core.
With regards to your experience - have you been flashing modded roms, or strictly kernels? I agree that I can't claim 30+ hours on any of the mods, but I didn't experience that with the stock either (maybe 20-25 hours of low usage).
Flashing Netarchy 1.3.7 (or higher, CFS), along with undervolting (via Proton), 2G communication only, and maybe using the 'Conservative' governor may help you with batterylife.
Cheers, and Good Luck!
I was flashing kernels on the stock rom. I honestly like the bare google experience, just wish this damn phone had a notification light lol.
Oddly enough i've figured out that chompsms for some reason is a resources hog on modded kernels and roms. I removed chomp and google maps before flashing netarchy and battery life increased to 22-25hours which is livable for better notifications.
What's wrong with the kernels? You can adjust the voltages for optimal conditions in proton and that should be good....
I got Jame Bond last week http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=949292 and it runs great. My batteries at 30 percent right now after 25 hours and bln's working fine. Definately recommend it.
mathkid95 said:
What's wrong with the kernels? You can adjust the voltages for optimal conditions in proton and that should be good....
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honestly its have to adjust anything. i've been through multiple android devices from the g1 to the evo and 4-5 in between and i've loved tweaking every little thing. the nexus runs so well stock that fiddling with every little setting and mod just doesn't seem worth it to me.
I'm not trying to talk up my product, but have you tried the Matr1x kernel?
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I'm not trying to talk up my product, but have you tried the Matr1x kernel?
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He won't talk up his product, but I will
I feel exactly the same as you do, sedracer. The phone is very good stock, and I see no reason to use anything other than the stock kernel.
Regardless, I gave matr1x kernel a try and I love it. It is exactly what I was looking for. I can OC if I want to, and it has BLN. No FCs, no random reboots, no freezing. As far as I'm concerned, it's stock with OC and BLN enabled. Battery life is about the same as stock, although I haven't used it for more than a week or so.
Oh cool, you are talking about v5.0, right?
mathkid95 said:
Oh cool, you are talking about v5.0, right?
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Actually, no. When I first downloaded it, it was version 4.5. Only had it over clocked to 1.2 though, so stability wasn't a problem. I'm going to D/L the newest kernel right now.
Can anyone explain to me what kernels are what is their function? I noticed that the update did not change my kernel. Is that a bad thing that they did not include a new one in the update? Also I am voinv to be installing xboarxers stock. Rom first to root the phone and I want know if I should chance the kernal and what effect it will have. I am taking small steps because want to understand what I am doing. Thank for any help you guys can give me.
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The kernel is the lowest point in the system. It controls how the software communicates with the hardware: how the CPU behaves, how the buttons behave, how the screen functions, etc.
The main use of custom kernels is to Overclock and Undervolt. OC means pushing your CPU to be faster than it was ever intended to be; you get better performance but if overclocked too long, it will be damaged. Worst case scenario, you will literally melt your motherboard. But this is only a danger if you leave it overclocked 24/7 and constantly push the CPU to its limits (playing 3d games for instance)
Faux's kernel can OC to 1.5 GHz and Morfic's can OC to 1.1.
The next common use is Undervolting, which means giving your CPU less electricity than it would like. This again is extremely dangerous if not done properly, but yields noticeably better battery life. Morfic's is the best for UV IMO, though you cannot change the undervolting, he has it locked into what he has found to be the best. And this isn't necessarily a bad thing, as too much UVing will cause potentially serious stability issues with the device. It's not nearly as dangerous as improper OCing (it won't permanently ruin the hardware) but it is a danger. Faux's lets you UV to your heart's content.
Faux's is better if you want performance, because it has higher OC. Morfic's is better if you want battery life, because it has better UV and the CPU clock speeds themselves are better tuned for lower speeds than higher ones.
I absolutely love my faux kernel. its at 1.4 and amazing battery life. The screen sensitivity is awesome. Honestly its all prefrence.... I won't go away from cm7w/ faux
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernel_%28computing%29
I'd start here. Or just google info on the linux kernel (since that's what android runs on top of.)
Can you flash faux kernel on top of bionix 2
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When you flash a kernel, you just need to know what the base of it is to pick the proper one. There are really only 3 bases at the moment:
1. Stock 2.2 That'd be faux's .5, and I know morfic has some older 2.2 based kernels in his thread.
2. Stock 2.3 (Which faux is working on now, there are a couple floating around)
3. CM7 Faux and morfic both have kernels that work here. (2.3.4 and 2.3.5 based roms use this, miui, and of course cm7 )
Bionix is based on 2.2 (Which I haven't actually checked, but I'm sure it's in the first post.)
For most of them, just read the first post, or even the title. It'll say what it's based on, and then you can flash whatever you want. Just always do a nandroid backup before, you never know if you might for whatever reason have to flash back. If you don't, you need to reinstall your rom (or manually change the kernel and modules, of course) to get back to what the rom came with.
Happy flashing.
If i am running stock rooted GB OTA, can I flash faux's latest Kernel 006 with ext4?? Or do you have to have an ext4 rom to be able to flash ext4 kernels?
Thanks.
Thanks a lot that shed some light on. The subject
So it appears that the dev will tell you which mernels arw compatible with their rom in the thread for that particilar rom. If I want to use eglesblood which is 2.3.4 or.5 xan I use tbe stock kernel? Also what is the difference between the .3 .4 and .5 in the gingerbread make is that carrier specific or moel specific like the blackbwrry 8520 is for tmo and 8530 is for sprint?
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2.3.4 and 2.3.5 are based on cm7 code, so you'd use the cm7 based kernel. (LG hasn't given us 2.3.4 or 2.3.5).
As far as ext4, it's a different file system is all. Faux's kernels mount the data and system partitions as ext4, but don't actually convert them. Morfic's do a full convert. Ext3/4 support is in the kernel, not the rom, so as long as the kernel supports it you can do it. (Which every custom kernel I've seen supports ext4)
If you want more information, google is your friend. Here is a pretty simplistic explanation of the ext2,3,and 4.
http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2011/05/ext2-ext3-ext4/
As for the differences, 2.3.3 to 2.3.4 had some major framework changes. 2.3.4 to 2.3.5 seems to be only minor bugfixes. If you want full changelogs, I'd google them.
So if I want to use eglesblood then I have to change the kernel too? Do I have to do it separately or is it included in the rom?
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You never *need* to change kernels. Using the kernel that comes with the roms works just fine. Only time you need to change kernels is if you want to overclock, (never really saw the point in it, and quadrant benchmarks are useless.) want tun or cifs support, undervolting, ext4, etc.
If you don't need any of those things, or don't know what they are, just stick with the kernel that comes with the rom.
Okay that's cool so all I have to do is put EB on my SD card and flash away I am thinking about starting simple first with either xboarders stock or tweeked
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Can anyone tell me the benefits of using a kernel like Trinity or netarchy or matr1x?
I've been searching and basically I want the stability of the stock kernel, but with better battery life. I was eyeing the trinity undervolted kernel but wasn't sure if it would affect anything in terms of FC or performance?
Oh, I'm using MIUI and was reading around and some people have experienced different negative things when using this ROM?
Well other kernels have a lot of features, like oc'ing, uv'ing, bln, voodoo, etc haha
Ohh okay. The only thing I see of benefit for me right now is the undervolting to increase battery life. I mean I haven't met an app that I can't run yet so no point in over clocking.
Unless I'm missing something
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I'm kinda new to all this, but what is the difference between changing a kernel versus changing a ROM? or is that the same thing?
for example, i understand backlight notification works on some kernels on the nexus s...does this require changing the ROM? any help would be appreciated
A ROM is basically the custom image (think of it as an os) for your android phone. ROMS are usually based off of stock android or cm7. ROMS allow for differen gui's, etc.
The kernel is basically the piece of software that allows the rom (os) to communicate with the hardware of the phone. You always see things in kernels called "voltages" or cpu speeds...that is set in the kernel, and allows the phone to run at a different cpu speed. Also, you see bln. That communicates with the hardware and allows the back lights to light up when you receive a notification.
That was a simple explanation, but it gets the point across
thank you for that...makes perfect sense... so if I want to just get BLN working, is there a kernel that would work with my stock ROM? or do I have to use the kernel with a specific ROM? I'm still unsure of the steps required to make this happen
Bln is baked into a kernel. Just flash a kernel and u will get bln
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