http://phandroid.com/2011/01/13/com...ates-of-all-carriers-manufacturers-in-the-us/
I just wanted to bring to discuss all the bs surrounding these two companies (samsung and motorola) and the owners that purchase their devices. So glad I stuck with the true android gurus HTC!
lol I feel so sorry for you samsung and motorola owners. It obvious these two companies are known for poor customer support, build quality and most important getting updates out to their phones...and yet you guys continue to feed them their money. Why do they continue to invest in these companies that are KNOWN for having slow to no updates and not having good customer support for previous phones? Just look at their track record...
http://www.tmonews.com/2010/08/oh-hai-motorola-wherefore-art-my-updates/
http://www.tmonews.com/2010/05/samsung-says-behold-2-not-upgradeable-beyond-android-1-6/
http://www.tmonews.com/2010/06/bad-move-for-motorola-t-mobile-and-android-in-general/
You think the you samsung owners would have learned after that whole behold 2 fiasco...but i guess not. Now the vibrant owners have to deal with samsung bs....
http://phandroid.com/2011/01/12/rum...ate-being-purposely-held-due-to-vibrant-plus/
(What sucks most about this above one...my friends ancient mytouch 3g even has froyo, so your telling me the vibrant cant get any froyo love?...lmao samsung you fail.)
And just when you thought the NS owners were going to be that "special" group...lol think again...
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/12/samsung-gt-i9023-hits-fcc-a-new-version-of-the-nexus-s-with-and/
The point that im trying to make is that they need to just stick with HTC. Almost every phone they have put out has been amazing for their time. The original g1, nexus one, evo, incredible, g2, desire, desire HD, mytouch 3g and 4g etc... All of these phones produced by HTC were amazing in their own right and had the customer support of htc to back them. Even if updates were "slow" ( and HTC updates are no where near as slow samsung and motorola) HTC would always keep their customers in loop about what was happening with their phones.
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Motorola updates their major line of products quickly. The Droid received the 2.2 update last year, the X received it months of being released, and the Droid 2 shipped with 2.2! It was one of the first phones to be shipped with 2.2! I can see their approach on some of their phones, like the Backflip, or the Cliq. Those weren't really made to be serious android phones, more for texting, facebooking, twittering tweens. Their Droid phones are very well built, as is the i9 and the Defy. The Devour is decent build quality too. The original Droid and the X have almost as much a whole following as the G1 did even. The software aside from the original Droid sucks. Motoblur is utter crap. But if there is an issue with the device, Motorola is always quick to fix it and keep support for their phones. I talk to my buddy at Verizon, and even though the Droid is EOL, Motorola still supports it. If HTC is so amazing, then why do people have complains on build quality and deathgrip on some of their phones? Why are people complaining on how poorly made the HD7 is? Sure, I'll agree that I'd prefer HTC over Samsung or Motorola anyday, but they aren't as great as you make them out to be. Touch pro 2? No hardware support? Hero getting 2.1 late? Legend getting 2.2 late? Aria still not completely 2.2 everywhere? HD2 buttons going out? Evo light leaks? Response issue with the Evo and the Incredible? HORRIBLE HORRIBLE HORRIBLE battery life with 4g enabled on the Evo? Don't get me wrong, I love my Evo. HTC offers great support for their phones, but like every other company out there they have their faults.
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Motorola updates their major line of products quickly. The Droid received the 2.2 update last year, the X received it months of being released, and the Droid 2 shipped with 2.2! It was one of the first phones to be shipped with 2.2! I can see their approach on some of their phones, like the Backflip, or the Cliq. Those weren't really made to be serious android phones, more for texting, facebooking, twittering tweens. Their Droid phones are very well built, as is the i9 and the Defy. The Devour is decent build quality too. The original Droid and the X have almost as much a whole following as the G1 did even. The software aside from the original Droid sucks. Motoblur is utter crap. But if there is an issue with the device, Motorola is always quick to fix it and keep support for their phones. I talk to my buddy at Verizon, and even though the Droid is EOL, Motorola still supports it. If HTC is so amazing, then why do people have complains on build quality and deathgrip on some of their phones? Why are people complaining on how poorly made the HD7 is? Sure, I'll agree that I'd prefer HTC over Samsung or Motorola anyday, but they aren't as great as you make them out to be. Touch pro 2? No hardware support? Hero getting 2.1 late? Legend getting 2.2 late? Aria still not completely 2.2 everywhere? HD2 buttons going out? Evo light leaks? Response issue with the Evo and the Incredible? HORRIBLE HORRIBLE HORRIBLE battery life with 4g enabled on the Evo? Don't get me wrong, I love my Evo. HTC offers great support for their phones, but like every other company out there they have their faults.
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Excuse me? Lol are you serious? The cliq and backflip weren't meant to be to serious android devices? Not only do you disrespect the consumers who purchased those devices, but also the whole concept customer appreciation. I was once a cliq owner, and I was PROMISED an update within a couple MONTHS of the cliq release. Almost a full year later, after I had already given up on receiving an update and purchased a G2, I finally hear word that the cliq got their update. So your telling me the motorola has the right to pick, choose and delay updates based on their focus on other devices? Lmao are you serious?
This my friend is why htc is amazing, on every android phone they have produced they have sent timely updates. MOST IMPORTANTLY THEY KEEP A CLOSE CONNECTION WITH THEIR CUSTOMERS AND KEEP THEM IN THE LOOP ABOUT THEIR PHONES UPDATE...unlike samsung and motorola. Learn to respond with respect towards people who might have owned or are currently owning one of those devices you seem to call " none serious android". If the cliq wasn't meant to be serious, then why was it used as the flagship phone for motoblur? Think before you write...
Btw regardless of the whethr or not htc is dealing with the htc evo or the ancient mytouch 3g, they still give great support to both. Can you say the same about the droid x to the motorola cliq xt? Yea I think not...
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Excuse me? Lol are you serious? The cliq and backflip weren't meant to be to serious android devices? Not only do you disrespect the consumers who purchased those devices, but also the whole concept customer appreciation. I was once a cliq owner, and I was PROMISED an update within a couple MONTHS of the cliq release. Almost a full year later, after I had already given up on receiving an update and purchased a G2, I finally hear word that the cliq got their update. So your telling me the motorola has the right to pick, choose and delay updates based on their focus on other devices? Lmao are you serious?
This my friend is why htc is amazing, on every android phone they have produced they have sent timely updates. MOST IMPORTANTLY THEY KEEP A CLOSE CONNECTION WITH THEIR CUSTOMERS AND KEEP THEM IN THE LOOP ABOUT THEIR PHONES UPDATE...unlike samsung and motorola. Learn to respond with respect towards people who might have owned or are currently owning one of those devices you seem to call " none serious android". If the cliq wasn't meant to be serious, then why was it used as the flagship phone for motoblur? Think before you write...
Btw regardless of the whethr or not htc is dealing with the htc evo or the ancient mytouch 3g, they still give great support to both. Can you say the same about the droid x to the motorola cliq xt? Yea I think not...
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You have insulted & disrespected every single Motorola and Samsung owner here and YOU have the balls to ask if he's serious?
I've never read so much fan boy drivel in all my years here. Yeah, HTC is perfect. Pssst.
Excuse me? Lol are you serious? The cliq and backflip weren't meant to be to serious android devices? Not only do you disrespect the consumers who purchased those devices, but also the whole concept customer appreciation. I was once a cliq owner, and I was PROMISED an update within a couple MONTHS of the cliq release. Almost a full year later, after I had already given up on receiving an update and purchased a G2, I finally hear word that the cliq got their update. So your telling me the motorola has the right to pick, choose and delay updates based on their focus on other devices? Lmao are you serious?
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It would be nice if you didn't put words in my mouth. Sad, but true. HTC did the same with the Hero. Promised 2.0, didn't deliver. Finally put out 2.1 for it, had massive dialer lag issues. All of them do it. Samsung was suppose to have 2.2 for every Galaxy S device out before 2010 ended but hasn't, Sony is keeping the X10 on 2.1(FOR GOD KNOWS WHY!!! A SNAPDRAGON PHONE ON 2.1 STILL!!!!!!), LG is just kind of sitting there in the back launching mid range devices that make people happy, Motorola had update issues with the Cliq, and HTC may deliver their updates mostly at a good time, but they're not always perfect. Evo, lag fix, etc etc.
This my friend is why htc is amazing, on every android phone they have produced they have sent timely updates. MOST IMPORTANTLY THEY KEEP A CLOSE CONNECTION WITH THEIR CUSTOMERS AND KEEP THEM IN THE LOOP ABOUT THEIR PHONES UPDATE...unlike samsung and motorola. Learn to respond with respect towards people who might have owned or are currently owning one of those devices you seem to call " none serious android". If the cliq wasn't meant to be serious, then why was it used as the flagship phone for motoblur? Think before you write...
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Close connection? None of them do! They tell you when the update is going to be(or in Samsungs case, suppose to be) released. There is no close connection with the consumer and the manufacturer. Their support lines are terrible, they excuse their issues with their phones saying that other companies have the same issues. Like I said, they're nice, but everyone has their faults. As far as Motoblur goes, it was the first device to use Motoblur. You don't see that slow UI on every Motorola device do you? Droid didn't use it, and the 2 and the X both use a much better variant(Though still annoying). You only see it on their considerably lower end phones. You should also take a look at my signature. There's a good reason why I don't go for Samsung products, the Moment and the Epic. The Moment was so bad in so many levels, a CDMA phone launched with 1.5?! Despite suppose to launch with 1.6 that actually supports CDMA?! A Half ass 2.1 update that uses libs and file systems from 1.5?! Terrible network issues where the network locked up on my 3 times a day, even though I've replaced the phone 3 times?! Just to get it to work, I had to root it?! I shouldn't have to root my phone for it to do basic things like call out! It's illegal for any mobile phone to not to be able to call out all at! Activated or not! And then expect me to upgrade to the "upgraded model", when the upgraded model has a lower resolution that most apps don't support, or a slower data connection? The Epic, no 2.2 update. Enough said. Yeah, I don't know what I'm talking about despite having 2 duds. Also, I've sold the phones enough to know what people want. I've sold the Cliq and the XT to people, about 70% of them came back not happy with it. When I worked at Radioshack, I easily recommended people would go the HTC route. I'd also appreciate it if you didn't disrespect me, I haven't disrespected you yet so there's no reason to get all hot and bothered now.
Btw regardless of the whethr or not htc is dealing with the htc evo or the ancient mytouch 3g, they still give great support to both. Can you say the same about the droid x to the motorola cliq xt? Yea I think not...
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The Cliq XT was made horrible to begin with like the Cliq was. Motorola has supported the X as well, and still is. Let me ask you this, why since the release of the Cliq has people been complaining about it, and have terrible sales for it? But then the Droid which was released around the same time, people gave great reviews for? Flagship phone for blur? It was the first low end phone from Motorola, as it was suppose to be! No that doesn't excuse Motorola of terrible updates and support, but the device has always had issues and was never made to be a serious android phone. Proof of this, the Droid was the first phone to launch with Android 2.0. What was the Cliq? 1.5, 1.6? What crappy low end chip was it running? MSM7201A, Arm11? What did the Droid launch with? TI Arm Cortex a8?
You're taking what I'm saying out of proportion. I'm not saying that Samsung, Motorola are great, nor are they on the same level as HTC. But HTC is not as great as you think they are. What you've posted is a very biased post, ranting on and on on how Motorola and Samsung are bad, trolling them basically, and you don't expect someone to argue it? I can understand you like HTC, but you've gotta admit they have their issues too, which you didn't even post about! I'd post this on my Evo right now, but just from texting today and searching the web for 10-15 minutes my battery is already dead! When I had my Dads Droid X for awhile, I could go a full day on it and not need to charge it until I fell asleep.
Also, the Moment did not support hardware opengl. Software only.
As you can tell, Motorola updates only Verizon phones. Samsung updates their phones... eventually. HTC is the best in terms of upgrading and I did hear that the myTouch Slide is getting froyo.
That's because their high end phones are on Verizon. The Milestone is the rare occasion in this case.
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That's because their high end phones are on Verizon. The Milestone is the rare occasion in this case.
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I heard that was similar to the Droid.
HTC does have more experience in the smartphone market (for the most part, they only release smartphones) so maybe that explains why they can update quickly.
Exact same except for the GSM radio. Now why Motorola has not committed to updated Milestone, nobody knows. They've updated their other Milestone lineup, and even just released the Milestone 2.
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You have insulted & disrespected every single Motorola and Samsung owner here and YOU have the balls to ask if he's serious?
I've never read so much fan boy drivel in all my years here. Yeah, HTC is perfect. Pssst.
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Lol compared to the other two..yes they are . I'm guessing you didn't read my response about me being a previous motorola owner and learning my lesson. I bough the phone under the impression I would be receiving good customer service and timely update. But guess what...I didn't, and I learned my lesson. Look at the links, read my comments fully before you comment troll.
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It would be nice if you didn't put words in my mouth. Sad, but true. HTC did the same with the Hero. Promised 2.0, didn't deliver. Finally put out 2.1 for it, had massive dialer lag issues. All of them do it. Samsung was suppose to have 2.2 for every Galaxy S device out before 2010 ended but hasn't, Sony is keeping the X10 on 2.1(FOR GOD KNOWS WHY!!! A SNAPDRAGON PHONE ON 2.1 STILL!!!!!!), LG is just kind of sitting there in the back launching mid range devices that make people happy, Motorola had update issues with the Cliq, and HTC may deliver their updates mostly at a good time, but they're not always perfect. Evo, lag fix, etc etc.
Close connection? None of them do! They tell you when the update is going to be(or in Samsungs case, suppose to be) released. There is no close connection with the consumer and the manufacturer. Their support lines are terrible, they excuse their issues with their phones saying that other companies have the same issues. Like I said, they're nice, but everyone has their faults. As far as Motoblur goes, it was the first device to use Motoblur. You don't see that slow UI on every Motorola device do you? Droid didn't use it, and the 2 and the X both use a much better variant(Though still annoying). You only see it on their considerably lower end phones. You should also take a look at my signature. There's a good reason why I don't go for Samsung products, the Moment and the Epic. The Moment was so bad in so many levels, a CDMA phone launched with 1.5?! Despite suppose to launch with 1.6 that actually supports CDMA?! A Half ass 2.1 update that uses libs and file systems from 1.5?! Terrible network issues where the network locked up on my 3 times a day, even though I've replaced the phone 3 times?! Just to get it to work, I had to root it?! I shouldn't have to root my phone for it to do basic things like call out! It's illegal for any mobile phone to not to be able to call out all at! Activated or not! And then expect me to upgrade to the "upgraded model", when the upgraded model has a lower resolution that most apps don't support, or a slower data connection? The Epic, no 2.2 update. Enough said. Yeah, I don't know what I'm talking about despite having 2 duds. Also, I've sold the phones enough to know what people want. I've sold the Cliq and the XT to people, about 70% of them came back not happy with it. When I worked at Radioshack, I easily recommended people would go the HTC route. I'd also appreciate it if you didn't disrespect me, I haven't disrespected you yet so there's no reason to get all hot and bothered now.
The Cliq XT was made horrible to begin with like the Cliq was. Motorola has supported the X as well, and still is. Let me ask you this, why since the release of the Cliq has people been complaining about it, and have terrible sales for it? But then the Droid which was released around the same time, people gave great reviews for? Flagship phone for blur? It was the first low end phone from Motorola, as it was suppose to be! No that doesn't excuse Motorola of terrible updates and support, but the device has always had issues and was never made to be a serious android phone. Proof of this, the Droid was the first phone to launch with Android 2.0. What was the Cliq? 1.5, 1.6? What crappy low end chip was it running? MSM7201A, Arm11? What did the Droid launch with? TI Arm Cortex a8?
You're taking what I'm saying out of proportion. I'm not saying that Samsung, Motorola are great, nor are they on the same level as HTC. But HTC is not as great as you think they are. What you've posted is a very biased post, ranting on and on on how Motorola and Samsung are bad, trolling them basically, and you don't expect someone to argue it? I can understand you like HTC, but you've gotta admit they have their issues too, which you didn't even post about! I'd post this on my Evo right now, but just from texting today and searching the web for 10-15 minutes my battery is already dead! When I had my Dads Droid X for awhile, I could go a full day on it and not need to charge it until I fell asleep.
Also, the Moment did not support hardware opengl. Software only.
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Lol I'm not even going to argue with you because its pointless. I have already provided evidense via my countless links and articles that htc is the best in terms of customer support, build quality and updates. If you don't want to believe that...lol that's your poisen. Good luck getting those timely updates. Good luck on your future lawsuits against samsung and buying a motorola phone only to find out that its not a top end phone and won't be getting the support you expected. Unless you provide the same credible sources, I won't even bother reading your responses.
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Eh, I love HTC and in many ways they do excel but I gotta say they are lacking in the display department. Fortunately I own 14 phones (11 of which are HTC) so any time I want to watch a movie I pull out the focus. Other times, eh, venue pro or HD7. HD2 if I ever feel like tweaking stuff again.
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Lol I'm not even going to argue with you because its pointless. I have already provided evidense via my countless links and articles that htc is the best in terms of customer support, build quality and updates. If you don't want to believe that...lol that's your poisen. Good luck getting those timely updates. Good luck on your future lawsuits against samsung and buying a motorola phone only to find out that its not a top end phone and won't be getting the support you expected. Unless you provide the same credible sources, I won't even bother reading your responses.
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You have nothing to argue with. While you have posted bad and negative reviews towards Samsung and Motorola, there's as much positive feedback with them. Same goes with HTC. They are not perfect, none of them are. As far as credible sources go, simple.
HTC Evo issues,
http://blog.wirelessground.com/htc-evo-issues/
HTC Hero dialer lag(Even on these forums)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=733882
If you read the comments on this one, you'll notice people are still getting the dialer lag.
http://phandroid.com/2010/09/24/htc-hero-for-sprint-receives-a-maintenance-update/
Touch pro Touch Pro 2 lack of hardware drivers
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=502947
HD2 deathgrip(Can be so bad that they recommend you to use 2g)
http://wmpoweruser.com/is-the-death-grip-standard-on-phones-lets-test-it/
HD7 issue
http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2010/11/29/htc-hd7-seeing-death-grip-issues/
HD7 bad build issue
http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/20/htc-hd7-review/
For the Cliq, there is nothing I can post a link to. Look at the specs of the Cliq, compare it to the Droid which was released only in a weeks difference. There's the proof for your "flagship" motoblur phone.
I'm just gonna link to a google result, since there are tons of positive reviews listed everywhere for Galaxy S.
http://www.google.com/search?q=Sams...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
Motorola Droid
http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/motorola-droid-review/
Motorola Droid X
http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/01/motorola-droid-x-review/
Here are the original plans for 2.0 for the Moment and the Hero. Funny how the Hero never had 2.0 on it...
http://nexus404.com/Blog/2009/12/12...roid-eclair-to-their-hero-moment-smartphones/
Too lazy to sort through all of this, but these are the dates of HTC Hero original release date plans for 2.0, then pushed to 2.1, then delayed over and over.
http://www.engadget.com/search/?q=HTC+Hero&invocationType=wl-gadget
It keeps annoying me how you're putting words in my mouth over and over, and treating people here with disrespect. That does not make you look smarter, or better than anyone else, so I suggest that you stop acting as such. I'll say it again, as I've said it about two or three times now, I'm not saying HTC is terrible. But they have their faults. They are not as perfect as you think they are. Arguing with you is getting nowhere, you're just going to go back into your own little world where you believe HTC is the best thing since sliced bread, but last time I checked the phone that's scoring about the highest in performance are Galaxy S phones believe it or not. Motorola has a line up coming, and you still need to watch out for the real underdog the Defy. And countless links? Last time I checked, 6 is not countless.
Oh, did you see that the GSM Hero finally got it's 2.1 update in June in Taiwan? Correct me if I'm wrong, but HTC is from Taiwan, and they were one of the last to get an update that they should have had first? Hmmm....
I'm gonna keep adding on the more I think of stuff, like this!
Why don't you ask the Aria users all around the world who has 2.2, and who doesn't?! Or ask why HTC still uses the 65nm Snapdragon in the Windows 7 phones when the 45nm version is available and has a better gpu core at most likely the same or less cost thanks to that nm difference.
Hey! Ask all the G2 users if they've had a hinge break yet! Hey, ask the g1 users about the broken or loose slider!
Oh here's a good one, why don't you ask the My Touch 3g users why they're getting an official Froyo update so late, and why even though the Mytouch and the Hero are the same, why the Hero isn't getting any official Froyo update? Wait a minute! Wasn't the Mytouch released before the Hero...Pretty sure the Magic was...Funny how that works, right? Just like Samsung, and Motorola! Wait, although it came late and it still performs bad the Cliq did get a 2.1 update...Let's not forget the Legends 15 minutes in the spot light, and how it was easily pushed out of the way for something better! Support went bad for the Legend too, another late release for Froyo and HTC. Seems HTC is just like Motorola then, you know where they update their higher end and higher selling devices first?
Hey Op, I like HTC, but you make me sick with your fanboy crap. Go slap yourself.
Motoblur is a rare garbage. I believe only no-lifers want to know "what their friends up to on every social network." This is the only reason I still try not to buy the defy. Why the hell a guy, who does sport stuff and would like a durable phone, needs effin facebook 24/7? Wrong target Motorola.
PS: Didn't Motorola said that they would discontinue Blur? I guess not..
Back to HTC. I own myTouch 3G and love it. It is trully a killer phone of it's time. Now there is no real killer phone from HTC. Quantity took over quality. They make ten new models every few month... I believe they should slow down and desing a real phone, that would kick all asses.
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Imo, they all suck and are only getting worse. And the real disrespect, is the disrespect shown by manufacturers towards their customers.
Sure, sure... if we squeak loud enough they'll throw us an update bone every now and again. (Provided you've bought the phone in their lineup they deem worthy to update). Of course that comes after they've got the next money-making piece of hardware ready to roll.
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You have nothing to argue with. While you have posted bad and negative reviews towards Samsung and Motorola, there's as much positive feedback with them. Same goes with HTC. They are not perfect, none of them are. As far as credible sources go, simple.
HTC Evo issues,
http://blog.wirelessground.com/htc-evo-issues/
HTC Hero dialer lag(Even on these forums)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=733882
If you read the comments on this one, you'll notice people are still getting the dialer lag.
http://phandroid.com/2010/09/24/htc-hero-for-sprint-receives-a-maintenance-update/
Touch pro Touch Pro 2 lack of hardware drivers
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=502947
HD2 deathgrip(Can be so bad that they recommend you to use 2g)
http://wmpoweruser.com/is-the-death-grip-standard-on-phones-lets-test-it/
HD7 issue
http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2010/11/29/htc-hd7-seeing-death-grip-issues/
HD7 bad build issue
http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/20/htc-hd7-review/
For the Cliq, there is nothing I can post a link to. Look at the specs of the Cliq, compare it to the Droid which was released only in a weeks difference. There's the proof for your "flagship" motoblur phone.
I'm just gonna link to a google result, since there are tons of positive reviews listed everywhere for Galaxy S.
http://www.google.com/search?q=Sams...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
Motorola Droid
http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/30/motorola-droid-review/
Motorola Droid X
http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/01/motorola-droid-x-review/
Here are the original plans for 2.0 for the Moment and the Hero. Funny how the Hero never had 2.0 on it...
http://nexus404.com/Blog/2009/12/12...roid-eclair-to-their-hero-moment-smartphones/
Too lazy to sort through all of this, but these are the dates of HTC Hero original release date plans for 2.0, then pushed to 2.1, then delayed over and over.
http://www.engadget.com/search/?q=HTC+Hero&invocationType=wl-gadget
It keeps annoying me how you're putting words in my mouth over and over, and treating people here with disrespect. That does not make you look smarter, or better than anyone else, so I suggest that you stop acting as such. I'll say it again, as I've said it about two or three times now, I'm not saying HTC is terrible. But they have their faults. They are not as perfect as you think they are. Arguing with you is getting nowhere, you're just going to go back into your own little world where you believe HTC is the best thing since sliced bread, but last time I checked the phone that's scoring about the highest in performance are Galaxy S phones believe it or not. Motorola has a line up coming, and you still need to watch out for the real underdog the Defy. And countless links? Last time I checked, 6 is not countless.
Oh, did you see that the GSM Hero finally got it's 2.1 update in June in Taiwan? Correct me if I'm wrong, but HTC is from Taiwan, and they were one of the last to get an update that they should have had first? Hmmm....
I'm gonna keep adding on the more I think of stuff, like this!
Why don't you ask the Aria users all around the world who has 2.2, and who doesn't?! Or ask why HTC still uses the 65nm Snapdragon in the Windows 7 phones when the 45nm version is available and has a better gpu core at most likely the same or less cost thanks to that nm difference.
Hey! Ask all the G2 users if they've had a hinge break yet! Hey, ask the g1 users about the broken or loose slider!
Oh here's a good one, why don't you ask the My Touch 3g users why they're getting an official Froyo update so late, and why even though the Mytouch and the Hero are the same, why the Hero isn't getting any official Froyo update? Wait a minute! Wasn't the Mytouch released before the Hero...Pretty sure the Magic was...Funny how that works, right? Just like Samsung, and Motorola! Wait, although it came late and it still performs bad the Cliq did get a 2.1 update...Let's not forget the Legends 15 minutes in the spot light, and how it was easily pushed out of the way for something better! Support went bad for the Legend too, another late release for Froyo and HTC. Seems HTC is just like Motorola then, you know where they update their higher end and higher selling devices first?
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Ok first things first...STOP POSTING ABOUT HARDWARE ISSUES. Yes all phones have hardware issues which can be fixed/ handled by sending your phone to be replaces. This thread is about the updates and customer support. I dont know why you cant read through my entire posts before writing. Your making yourself look ridiculous. No one is disputing the fact that their are hardware issues with ALL phones, what i disputing is the lack of support and customer compliance with samsung and motorola vs HTC. LOOK AT THE FIRST ARTICLE IN MY ORIGINAL POST BY PHANDROID.
Lol the thing that bothers me most about this post is that you continue to say im disrespecting people. Im an original Motorola cliq owner. I only said that i felt sorry for current and recently past Samsung and Motorola customer customers due to their companies horrible customer service and updates. I BACKED UP those remarks by posting recent articles from CREDIBLE WEBSITES, NOT JUST FORUMS OF A COUPLE ANGRY PEOPLE, that took the time out to RECOGNIZE THAT THERE WAS A HUGE MAJORITY of people dealing with these issues.
Lol and btw, the mytouch and hero users you mention were at least kept up to date with when their updates would be coming. Although the UPDATES DID TAKE A WHILE, HTC MADE SURE TO AT LEAST tell them the reason why and when they could expect them. Due to the lack of hardware support for such an old device. Btw i mentioned this in my original post post which shows me instead of being a calm objective reader you got a flamed head and skipped over that. Samsung and Motorola are notorious for ACTUALLY SETTING DATES and then ON THAT DATE SAYING THAT THERE WILL BE AN UNDEFINED DELAY. I remember waiting about 4 months after for my update and then on the day of getting a message on a forum admin that "oh hey sorry guys there is no update, not sure when its coming but they are working on it". No reason as to why they did not have the update ready or even if they were actually working on it. That my friends what i call horrible customer relations and customer support.
Oh and how can i relate this with Samsung...My girlfriend had a Behold 2...enough said.
Oh and while your at it, why dont we just stick to android devices please, i actually have no idea how htc handles their other platforms. I am only relating android device from the 3 manufacturers.
hungry81 said:
Hey Op, I like HTC, but you make me sick with your fanboy crap. Go slap yourself.
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Thank you troll, can you bring your negative remarks to another thread please?
No one outside tech sites care about updates.
vetvito said:
No one outside tech sites care about updates.
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lol this is very true unfortunately.
Hi, I need a replacement for my girlfriends ZTE Blade's, she needs two phones. I have been looking for something similar in size, and the ONE S looks to fit the bill. It's not hugely bigger. Although a handset with a 3.7 screen would be ideal.
I have no desire to root the phone etc. I just need to give her something reliable and dependable. The specs of the ONE S would suit her fine. But I'm thinking there may be a caveat. Such as, HTC are as bad as LG when it comes to OS software updates. Or the battery life sucks big time. Or sense really slows everything down.
The iPhone would be perfect in terms of size, specs and performance. But we are an ANDROID family, so I would like to keep our investment in Tablets and software.
My sincere apologies for the hugely general question. My current handset a Galaxy NEXUS which was such an easy choice, I'm running official Jelly Bean. But, choosing for a petite lady, something that works and won't become outdated in 12 months is super hard.
She has a 10" Galaxy Tab which recently got ICS, and I want to keep the devices running comparable versions of the OS.
I would be very grateful for any insights, or other handset recommendation's. Many thanks. Anil
Addition: I thought I would point out after user Ollaz's response below, I plan on only buying an unlocked retail version of any handset.
Why not the HTC One S. The updates are also affected by the carrier as they need to be approved, but as HTC said a few months ago, that they will be focusing on the One series and will not release new phones all the time, which means that these devices will get updates. But of course, buying any new product has the problem of eventually getting old and it will be just cut off. The way it has to be.
Also, in the same range there appears to be the ASUS Padfone (which is one hell of a device, but I didn't buy it because god knows if or when ASUS will update their devices). The LG Optimus 4X kinda seems like a beast and is in the same price range.
Ollaz said:
Why not the HTC One S. The updates are also affected by the carrier as they need to be approved, but as HTC said a few months ago, that they will be focusing on the One series and will not release new phones all the time, which means that these devices will get updates. But of course, buying any new product has the problem of eventually getting old and it will be just cut off. The way it has to be.
Also, in the same range there appears to be the ASUS Padfone (which is one hell of a device, but I didn't buy it because god knows if or when ASUS will update their devices). The LG Optimus 4X kinda seems like a beast and is in the same price range.
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Hi Ollaz, thanks for the info on HTC devices. I plan on buying a retail version of any handset, not locked to any one carrier etc. I appreciate technology moves on and some devices get left behind. My recently retired Optimus 2X still only has an official Ginger Bread release, even though the hardware is more than capable of running ICS.
I have an ASUS Transformer and it received an ICS update early this year. So in my book ASUS are pretty good whereas software updates are concerned. If Google made a sub four inch handset I would buy that without hesitation. Beast hardware is only as good as the software. And LG have a terrible software update record.
Thanks. Have fun. Anil
First off, the Asus Transformer is a different case. Since it's a tablet, it doesn't have to go through the extra step of carrier testing that a phone does for an update.
My came from a 3.7" HTC Incredible and really wanted to stick with a smaller form factor she could use with one hand (typing being the biggest issue). She is very happy with the One S, she just had to get used to using two hands for typing, but its thinness made it an easier transition from the old phone.
FWIW, HTC has already promised Jelly Bean will be coming within a few months, and I wouldn't necessarily expect the Transformer to get it.
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First off, the Asus Transformer is a different case. Since it's a tablet, it doesn't have to go through the extra step of carrier testing that a phone does for an update.
My came from a 3.7" HTC Incredible and really wanted to stick with a smaller form factor she could use with one hand (typing being the biggest issue). She is very happy with the One S, she just had to get used to using two hands for typing, but its thinness made it an easier transition from the old phone.
FWIW, HTC has already promised Jelly Bean will be coming within a few months, and I wouldn't necessarily expect the Transformer to get it.
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Hi radar5, thanks for sharing your experiences. I have to disagree with the point regarding "carrier testing". I always buy stock retail devices, with no ball & chain 12-24-36 month contracts. My LG O2X came completely stock, there are no carrier hurdles for LG to jump. Yet their handset is two years behind the OS release curve. The worlds first dual-core phone, and it's still on Gingerbread. Nothing to do with carriers.
I would buy another ASUS product, they have provided 5 updates since I bought the Transformer Tablet. Two of those have been major OS updates. I wouldn't go near LG with a very long stick. HTC looks as if it is learning this lesson of keeping your hardware reasonably up to date with the latest OS.
Apple do an excellent job in this area, they're not perfect, but better than most ANDROID OEM's. Hopefully HTC is getting their **** together, and their simpler hardware line up is a sign of the future. Resulting in timely OS updates. And easier consumer hardware choices.
At the moment HTC's One S is my current choice for my girlfriends next handset. I did see something today which made me pause for thought. ACER's Liquid Glow, a truly terrible name, but it's a 3.7" handset running ICS. And the slated European price is €179.99. The One S in Italy cost's €485 from AMAZON. A big difference.
Thanks. Have fun. Anil
I see where you're headed with this, but keep in mind you can't comprare that ACER and the One S. The specs are way too off for that.
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I see where you're headed with this, but keep in mind you can't comprare that ACER and the One S. The specs are way too off for that.
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Hi Ollaz, my girlfriends current handset's the ZTE Blade's are great, except they only run Gingerbread. Switching between Gingerbread and ICS does become a little annoying. Gmail is a great case in point. The ICS version is way better than the Gingerbread version.
So horsepower specs are not that important. And anyway, my retired Optimus 2X has great specs, but still only has old software. Some of the newer HTC phones have better specs than my Galaxy NEXUS. But my GNEX is running a stock version of Jelly Bean 4.1.1, now, today. Not some marketing quarter in the future which invariably gets moved.
I love having a fast phone, but my girlfriend needs stability and OS device parity. Thanks for your thoughts, they have been helpful in making me decide what I need to buy.
I must admit I was a little shocked when I discovered the price of the One S in Italy. HTC want iPhone 4s money, they are crazy! No wonder their sales revenue has dropped 60%. Selling purely on hardware specs has a really limited shelf life. Sooner or later you have to innovate in software. All HTC and most ANDROID OEM's do, is a few custom apps and skins. Google writes the OS for free!
Many thanks. Anil
Hi,
So I'm new to Android, and I've only had a Nexus 7 for a week (I sold it) which I rooted and had some custom roms for.
I wanted the Xperia Z, but it's shape is too square and thus bulky. I like that this Razr HD is a bit water resistant, has excellent battery, the keflav back, and is a less cumbersome size.
But- i'm concerned as this device isn't one of the more popular. Does this mean i will have to wait much longer for upgrades even if rooted? And less support in future? could some apps not run/be designed for this device?
Basically- Im someone who keeps their phone for ages. Im still using a jailbroken 3GS happily. As much as i dont like apple- its good that i can always run the latest OS...
Just wanted thoughts on all this. Cheers
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Hi,
So I'm new to Android, and I've only had a Nexus 7 for a week (I sold it) which I rooted and had some custom roms for.
I wanted the Xperia Z, but it's shape is too square and thus bulky. I like that this Razr HD is a bit water resistant, has excellent battery, the keflav back, and is a less cumbersome size.
But- i'm concerned as this device isn't one of the more popular. Does this mean i will have to wait much longer for upgrades even if rooted? And less support in future? could some apps not run/be designed for this device?
Basically- Im someone who keeps their phone for ages. Im still using a jailbroken 3GS happily. As much as i dont like apple- its good that i can always run the latest OS...
Just wanted thoughts on all this. Cheers
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Official upgrades for android devices are at the whim of the manufacturer and the carrier unless we're talking about a nexus device which gets updates directly from Google. On Verizon updates typically take longer to come out due to what they say is extensive testing, but recently they've been better about it imo. Unofficial updates are governed by the amount and quality of developers on that particular device. For moto phones we have a nice core of developers that keep us up to date. Now that the newest moto phones have had their bootloaders unlocked, development has really picked up. The development scene on Android is a lot different and more complicated then the Apple side. Due to the amount of high end android devices that are released every year the development scene moves pretty quickly. That isn't to say older devices aren't dev'd for but it is a possibility to consider. In the moto world devices as far back as the droid 3 are still actively supported. Many of us started out with moto and have never left.
Don't worry about the apps. Unless the device falls really behind in the os version all apps will be supported. It's not like apple where if your phone doesn't have the latest update a third of the apps don't work. There are apps coded specifically for features only available on the latest Android version but those are very few due to people wanting to make money lol.
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Cheers for that really helpful response.
It all seems pretty good to me with app compatibility.
So- if I understand correctly, if I unlock the bootloader & root my phone, I wont have to rely on Moto/my carrier for the OS updates?
Are there any other general things I should know before saying no to more mainstream (GS4) device?
Cheers
ycon said:
Cheers for that really helpful response.
It all seems pretty good to me with app compatibility.
So- if I understand correctly, if I unlock the bootloader & root my phone, I wont have to rely on Moto/my carrier for the OS updates?
Are there any other general things I should know before saying no to more mainstream (GS4) device?
Cheers
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Yes to your first question. Technically you would only need root to stop carrier updates but none of the new roms are being developed for locked devices.
Firstly know that the HD has basically the same innards as the gs3 except with 1gb less ram and a less impressive camera. The two monster phones out/coming out right now are the gs4 and the HTC one with a new nexus hopefully out soon. The gs4 represents some of the best hardware available (with newer still coming out later this year) and will have a lot of Dev focus. Out of those 3 phones Verizon will only be getting the gs4 most likely. In terms of what phone to get I would say you need to physically handle each before making a decision. If you must be on Verizon then the gs4 would be a great choice but some people don't like the build materials and feel of the phone (similar to gs3). People sticking with moto appreciate the solid feel, excellent materials, amazing radio strength, and battery life.
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koftheworld;4080229The gs4 represents some of the best hardware available (with newer still coming out later this year) and will have a lot of Dev focus. Out of those 3 phones Verizon will only be getting the gs4 most likely. In terms of what phone to get I would say you need to physically handle each before making a decision. If you must be on Verizon then the gs4 would be a great choice but some people don't like the build materials and feel of the phone (similar to gs3). People sticking with moto appreciate the solid feel said:
Cheers for that. I am not on Verizon (I'm in Australia), I'll buy the phone unlocked.
I have had a look at the GS4, HTC One and Razr all together.
The GS4 is my favourite in terms of size, but I'd rather sacrifice the power (Quad core) for the longer battery, better call reception, stronger build, and lower price of the Razr HD.
I might jsut have to wait for the new Nexus phone to come out. I've heard Google will be subsidizing it, so the price might be right.
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