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In the wifi sleep policy, it is possible to set wifi to sleep after screen off. However wifi does not sleep immediately but 15 minutes after screen off. I would like wifi to sleep earlier, say 5 minutes after screen off.
I searched around and found an app capable of doing this. But it is for samsung phones and doesn't work for defy. Does anyone know if and how it can be set manually?
Juicedefender. That is the exact app to use.
I tried Juice Defender. There are options to disable wifi based on connection existence, preset time, data flow etc, but there is no option to set the how long after screen off wifi would sleep.
Here you go, this should do what you want: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=774507
Good luck
Hmm I actually set my wifi to never turn off automatically. For instance yesterday I made a phonecall with Skype. My mobile connection is too slow for that so I switched the wifi on. During the phonecall I had the screen turned off but of course the wifi needed to stay on.
I have a widgetsoid widget on my homescreen to enable/disable the wifi. Don't like it when things go automatic and it's just as easy when you need wifi only once in a while.
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Hmm I actually set my wifi to never turn off automatically. For instance yesterday I made a phonecall with Skype. My mobile connection is too slow for that so I switched the wifi on. During the phonecall I had the screen turned off but of course the wifi needed to stay on.
I have a widgetsoid widget on my homescreen to enable/disable the wifi. Don't like it when things go automatic and it's just as easy when you need wifi only once in a while.
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Since i changed my ROM, my wifi actually goes to sleep after 15 minutes and I don't want it to turn off.
How do you set your wifi to never turn off automatically?
naenee said:
Here you go, this should do what you want: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=774507
Good luck
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Thanks! Unfortunately moto doesn't have the settings.db file. I tried putting the mentioned key "wifi_idle_ms" in several other files but no effect.
Edit:
Stupid me. I find the location of settings.db and it works perfectly now
For information, the location of defy's settings.db is:
/data/data/com.android.providers.settings/databases/settings.db
woonaval said:
Since i changed my ROM, my wifi actually goes to sleep after 15 minutes and I don't want it to turn off.
How do you set your wifi to never turn off automatically?
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In the wifi settings screen, press the menu button to get the advanced options.
ABC_Universal said:
In the wifi settings screen, press the menu button to get the advanced options.
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wow that was easy, thanks!
woonaval said:
wow that was easy, thanks!
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Indeed!
Thanks guys; I can now listen to TuneIn radio as long as I want (or my battery allows me to).
If you intend to save battery, maybe you should consider leave "wireless policy" to "never sleep".
It might sound senseless but there are a lot of people reporting substantial battery savings with this, including me, i noticed at least +20 hours in battery life only with this little thing. Charts drawn with Battery Monitor showed the same consumption, Wireless OFF. vs Wireless policy to never sleep. And the most expensive was policy of sleep when screen turned off.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1022390
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If you intend to save battery, maybe you should consider leave "wireless policy" to "never sleep".
It might sound senseless but there are a lot of people reporting substantial battery savings with this, including me, i noticed at least +20 hours in battery life only with this little thing. Charts drawn with Battery Monitor showed the same consumption, Wireless OFF. vs Wireless policy to never sleep. And the most expensive was policy of sleep when screen turned off.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1022390
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That's probably the case for 3g. But I'm using 2g and find 2g uses less battery than wifi in standby mode (with some background data sync).
naenee said:
Here you go, this should do what you want: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=774507
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Thanks, naenee, for the link. In case anyone is interested, I just made a simplified adaptation of RyanZA's guide, specifically for the DEFY: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=22639770
Does anyone have both of these and so able to comment on whether Juice Defender is necessary if Tasker is installed? IE Can Tasker do all that Juice Defender ultimate can? (Such as turn off wifi when the screen is off *IF* there is no traffic/downloading occurring?
Thanks.
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Does anyone have both of these and so able to comment on whether Juice Defender is necessary if Tasker is installed? IE Can Tasker do all that Juice Defender ultimate can? (Such as turn off wifi when the screen is off *IF* there is no traffic/downloading occurring?
Thanks.
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If you're good enough about setting up your rules, there's very little that you can't setup Tasker to do. I'd have to check, but I'd imagine you can have it do something like that or close to it. If I have time later, I'll see if I can reproduce that functionality in my copy of Tasker
Thanks. I know that Tasker can put the device into flight mode when, say, the screen is off, but what I'm interested in is whether it can be made smart enough to only do so when no data is being downloaded.
cheers!
I have both and decided to use Juice Defender because I wasn't sure how to set that up within tasker. I bet it's possible though.
Yeah, that is why I'm asking. There are a few profiles on Task Wiki, but they all seem to involve 3g cell towers too, I'm after a wifi only one (perhaps they will work, I don't know).
It is quite easy just to turn on airplane when the screen is off, but we really need one that knows when data is being downloaded so only switches airplane on when nothing is happening - plus It'd be nice to be able to set it to enable wifi etc for a short period of time every so often to keep things updated.
I'm fairly sure all of this is possible (maybe not checking if anything is being downloaded?). Anyone who is a Tasker regular able to provide one that does this?
Incidentally, Ad1980 - Are you using JuiceDefender free, or one of the paid ones? If paid, do you find it makes a difference?
you really use such programs on a tablet? mine sits all night and only drops a couple (1-3%) overnight. Wifi and data flowing that whole time
howarmat said:
you really use such programs on a tablet? mine sits all night and only drops a couple (1-3%) overnight. Wifi and data flowing that whole time
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Mine drops about that much too, but I guess it all depends on how much data is being downloaded. Still, those 1-3% percent could be saved, and could add as much as 30% to the battery if, say, the tablet wasn't touched for 3 or so days.
It isn't all about battery saving though - Some people don't want/require mail to arrive at night, for example, so Tasker can be setup to automatically stop wifi during certain hours when the screen is off.
good point about the email and such. i use mine 3-4 hours a day probably so its gets charged every other day i would guess no matter what
I'm using Ultimate, though I've been using it for so long that I couldn't tell you the difference between it and the free version. The market description isn't all that helpful either. I'd go with the free version and if there are capabilities that are greyed out that you want to use then go ahead and upgrade.
I'm pretty sure that an appropriate Tasker profile would have to make use of Variables. Talks a little about it here.
http://tasker.dinglisch.net/userguide/en/variables.html
I'm going to assume you're looking into streaming music while the screen is off. Maybe create a task to start Pandora. Then you might be able to use the "Tasks Running" variable. So the wifi goes off when the screen is off unless unless %Pandora variable is on.
After using Juice Defender for a couple of weeks now on my HTC one X I have to I haven't really notice a whole of difference. What I have noticed that it cuts off wifi and mobile data when i am not using it but when i want to use it, it takes a while for it to reopen and connect and some times it doesnt even open so i have to manualy open wifi or mobile data connection. But i guess it better than having an constantly on connection which can eat your battery life is 1-2 hours.
It is not possible with tasker
jimbob1971 said:
Does anyone have both of these and so able to comment on whether Juice Defender is necessary if Tasker is installed? IE Can Tasker do all that Juice Defender ultimate can? (Such as turn off wifi when the screen is off *IF* there is no traffic/downloading occurring?
Thanks.
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Me too looking for the answer for this question.... so for no quite good answers.... Somebody have to develop a plugin for tasker to find out the data/wife downloading speed.. if it can be found, then we can definitely replace JD with tasker...
There is no plugin in the Play Store regarding this..
if any one find anything like this please share with this post..
Yes, JD is must have app, Tasker can't replace it until the availability of above said plug-in. JD makes it possible, switching off mobile data once the download is finished or a threshold is met...
Try Deep Sleep Battery Saver and LeanData.
jimbob1971 said:
Does anyone have both of these and so able to comment on whether Juice Defender is necessary if Tasker is installed? IE Can Tasker do all that Juice Defender ultimate can? (Such as turn off wifi when the screen is off *IF* there is no traffic/downloading occurring?
Thanks.
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Tried JD and others on my phone and tablet. I found that Deep Sleep Battery Saver and LeanData work the best for me.
Deep Sleep Battery Saver:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.rootuninstaller.batrsaver
LeanData
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.teqtic.leandata
Rodger
Juice defender is good for battery saving.
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Just check if its going correctly under deep sleep. Try cpu spy on play store. If not going on deep sleep, look inside battery stats which app is stealing juice (may be some apps are synchronizing too much and waking up cpu/wifi).
Juice defender dose not reconnect my data connection when screen unlock.
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Hello everyone!
I was just wondering between these two apps...
Which one works better for you and if will be great if you can share your configuration!!
Also, does anyone knows is any of these two disable whatsapp and gmail notifications?
Many thanks for sharing!
Cheers!
IMHO
I can answer about Green Power Premium:
It doesn't have such option like disable notifications. He does such thing like disables data connection for amount of time you chose (for me it is 15min) and then enables data connection for amount of time you choose (for me it is 2min)
Now my Galaxy Note works 2 times longer (from 10h to 20h)
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I can answer about Green Power Premium:
It doesn't have such option like disable notifications. He does such thing like disables data connection for amount of time you chose (for me it is 15min) and then enables data connection for amount of time you choose (for me it is 2min)
Now my Galaxy Note works 2 times longer (from 10h to 20h)
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WOW! double time!!
thanks for sharing!
I have been trying both, and while both of them seem to deliver a noticeable reduction in power draw (actually in my case a dramatic reduction), of the two I'd have to give my vote to GreenPower (I'm using the full version). The power reduction is at least as good as Juice Defender Ultimate, and the premium version is significantly cheaper.
Both work by turning various features (mainly Wi-fi/3g/BlueTooth) on and off automatically, but as result can cause delays in things like receiving push-mail and that kind of thing. With Juice-Defender I found this to be quite noticeable, but I'd have to say that with Green-Power I haven't really noticed it slowing down messaging or anything else.......
I've used them both - and deleted them both. I'd rather manage power myself.
i am using 2x Battery for me this is the best. simple and clean.
I usually use JuiceDefender but decided to try out Green Power. I really like it but I have a hard time getting my phone to sleep properly on GP.
i use widgetsoid and just enable my connection when i want it (wifi/3g)
i could never find the proper app that did exactly what i wanted- rather just have control.
going that was and using the phone an average amount my battery goes from 100 -> 75 from the time i wake up (7am) to the time i got to bed (12-1 am)
the 2500mah battery is pretty good!
With JuiceDefender I can get my phone to sleep 95%+ of the time but with GreenPower, my cpu is only sleep 40%+. Can anyone give me tips to get my cpu to sleep more to preserve battery?
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I can answer about Green Power Premium:
It doesn't have such option like disable notifications. He does such thing like disables data connection for amount of time you chose (for me it is 15min) and then enables data connection for amount of time you choose (for me it is 2min)
Now my Galaxy Note works 2 times longer (from 10h to 20h)
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Just out of interest, what happens when you browse the web and GreenPower has turned off the Data Connection?
Or you're watching a youtube video and it decides its time to turn off data?
Tried both versions and found green power premium to work better for me. (Price was a good point too.)
However the next day I found that if I left my phone for a while (Around 1 1/2 to 2 hours), the display would not turn on and If I called the phone it would not ring. Only way to fix this was to press the power button for 10 seconds to reset the phone.
Uninstalled green power to see if this was the cause and hasn't happened since.
Was wondering if something similar has happened to other people?
I had to go back to JuiceDefender since I couldn't get my phone to go into deep sleep with GreenPower.
Hi, i went for Green Power. I found it simpler to configure, more focused on the job. Juice Defender has to much possible settings and complexity, this makes it a great tool but might also lead to poor efficiency.
I have never used green power before but im on juice defender. I have experienced auto turn off by the note due to a set cpu settings that govern lower clock to cpu at a certain condition. Due to the big display on note i think lower cpu clock wont do it. Because of that the device turned off itself. Upon failure to operate. Hope this solves your problem
I have tried JuiceDefender but ultimately prefer to do everything manually. Some how I always feel the auto manage apps will have everything off precisely when you need it. I use the SwitchPro widget to quickly enable/disable the various radios from my home screen and it works great.
@ Aldragor
I have/had the same problem. In the beginning I thought that my launcher would be the cause for this problem, but after I disabled my Green Power Premium it hasn't happend since now.
Juice defender ultimate, the feature of switching 2g 3g on stock ROM alone was worth the price!
After figuring out how to config GreenPower properly, I went back to it.
I used JuiceDefender and thought it was great.... when it worked. However, I used it mostly as a scheduler with about 15% battery saving which I took as the icing on the cake.
I want all connections on during the day (peak) so I can take skype calls, etc.. When I'm home, I just want to periodically check for mails, etc (so have connection enable every 15min) and when I go to bed I don't want to be disturbed by emails, messages, etc but still want phone/sms on in case there is an emergency. And most of all, I didn't want to have to manually do that every day.
Problem was that it never really stuck to the schedules. This was the ultimate version but it was a crack as they never offered the ultimate on a trial. I wanted to evaluate the ultimate and buy if it did the job. So, it might have been a bad crack which caused the problem, but I guess I'll never know as I don't want to risk wasting the money if the schedule problem persists.
I am a lover of juice, it keeps he juice in and right
So using this app, I want to be able to listen to live radio but when my screen turns off JD turns off all data connections (expect if I'm on wifi)
What settings do I need to set JD at to keep it from doing that?
Thanks.
Theres a simple setting that is "turn off data when screen is off" or something to that effect. Don't use that setting, and it won't cut off your data.
Be aware that this is one of the main features that Juice Defender uses to save battery, but as you've found out, you get no background data. This means no streaming, but also no push updates from any services.
Keep in mind as well that if you're using your phone frequently, but not for a long time (aka frequent e-mail or text replies, etc.), so you're turning the screen on/off often, JD might actually drain more battery than simply leaving the phone stock. It takes a long time and subsequently a lot of battery power to be turning the data services on and off dozens of times a day. Sometimes moreso than simply letting it stay on. 3G data doesn't really drain a lot of battery unless its actively transmitting.
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So using this app, I want to be able to listen to live radio but when my screen turns off JD turns off all data connections (expect if I'm on wifi)
What settings do I need to set JD at to keep it from doing that?
Thanks.
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I'm using the advanced settings in JDU. If you go to the Triggers tab you can try 2 things. Right now I have traffic set to enabled. If live radio is playing and using data then it should continue to do so until the data stream stops. You can play with the settings if you think it needs more or less time or data, obviously.
Previously I used the Apps trigger and told it to give Pandora, Amazon music, etc., full rights to use data. That might be another option for whatever program you are using.
Just go to the Trigger tab (note: You might have to choose Advanced as profile to see the Trigger tab). Then, in the "apps" section, choose activate (or enable, I'm not sure what is called in the english version) if not already chosen. Then tap below on "Configure apps". In that list you look for your Radio app and set it at "Enable/screen off". Then the data connection for your radio app should be enabled even if the screen goes off.
I use it for cut 3g and battery life, do his job, nice app
I would recommend using Tasker instead. You can configure it so that data stays on if the radio is on, but turns off when the radio is off.
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I would recommend using Tasker instead. You can configure it so that data stays on if the radio is on, but turns off when the radio is off.
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What's the advantage of using Tasker instead of Juice Defender?
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Just go to the Trigger tab (note: You might have to choose Advanced as profile to see the Trigger tab). Then, in the "apps" section, choose activate (or enable, I'm not sure what is called in the english version) if not already chosen. Then tap below on "Configure apps". In that list you look for your Radio app and set it at "Enable/screen off". Then the data connection for your radio app should be enabled even if the screen goes off.
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This seems to work but what I didn't know was that the app has to be in full screen mode. Can not just run it from the widget on my home screen...
Hi folks. I recently bought the juice defender ultimate. I like it, but i find myself turning it on and off often. Simply because i don't get the seemless usage I want out of it. When I stream music and the screen shuts off, then the data also cuts off. Then I don't get emails at the frequency I'd like. I do push e-mails. I assume this is an issue. But it I set my boxes up to update every 5 minutes, would this conflict with the juice defender timer?
Those are my main issues with juice defender. Also, text messages don't come in timely either. Someone please help me set it up better. I'm getting 8-10 hours from my phone with moderate usage.
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Hi folks. I recently bought the juice defender ultimate. I like it, but i find myself turning it on and off often. Simply because i don't get the seemless usage I want out of it. When I stream music and the screen shuts off, then the data also cuts off. Then I don't get emails at the frequency I'd like. I do push e-mails. I assume this is an issue. But it I set my boxes up to update every 5 minutes, would this conflict with the juice defender timer?
Those are my main issues with juice defender. Also, text messages don't come in timely either. Someone please help me set it up better. I'm getting 8-10 hours from my phone with moderate usage.
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On Status tab under Profile select advanced.
On Help tab under Help select show.
Read thorough help information included with each feature.
To continue streaming with screen off go to Triggers tab, under Apps select 'enabled' then under Configure tap on the configure apps button. This'll bring up a list of apps. Select the ones that require streaming to operate (Pandora, internet radio, play music, etc.)
One of the main features of JD is to periodically enable data to conserve battery. I've scheduled mine for 15 minute frequency (see under Schedule tab). I don't get emails or social network updates immediately but it doesn't matter to me.
JD shouldn't impact SMS unless you've set JD to turn on airplane mode. This is because SMS doesn't use data.
Took me a while to get things setup properly. Doing so taught me some things. Its interesting to look at battery stats graph and see active toggling at the frequency set in JD.
Have fun!
Here's an example showing JD regularly toggling Wi-Fi. I have it set to thirty minutes in this case.
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