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It annoys me how biased some people can be towards phones for the stupidest reasons. Just because it's not HTC, they put it down and only think of all the bad points it could possibly have even though it either hasn't been released or they haven't owned it. For example, the ATRIX is by far more superior hardware wise than the Inspire, yet people make comments that it's gonna be a fail because it's not HTC and point out that all the things better than the Inspire are useless (ffc, dual core, HDMI out, docks, 1GB ram, fingerprint scanner thingy). Yes, some of them are useless (fingerprint scanner imo) but, like, I saw a post saying "not HTC, only 5 MP camera... no thanks" which is completely biased and annoys me. They also say that motoblur is horrible and htc sense is the best, but I honestly dont like sense. It goes to far into the system and you just can't get rid of it, plus I find it slow. With motoblur its just the launcher and a few widgets. Get a new launcher from the market and its gone. I've had smartphones from all 3 major manufacturer and I can't bring myself to judge a phone based on the manufacturer. HTC is great, but not the best. They all have good and bad things to them. My experience with HTC has been bad build quailty. Plus they seem to use the least powerful innards. I know their will be flamers for this, but its the truth and i'm seeing in everywhere in general discussion.
Probably the main reason people badmouth the Atrix is because Motorola took a perfectly good product and vomited BLUR all over it, thus making it less than half as awesome as it would ordinarily be.
Not to mention they likely locked the bootloader, too...
Edit: HTC is usually praised for build quality and while they don't use the most powerful guts (likely a side effect of their allegiance to Qualcomm), they do respectably well. The things I hear HTC panned for are usually things like Sense sucking and the audio/media playback quality being terrible.
I can think of one reason to hate Motorola: EFUSE. Simple. Its draconian, it alienates a large portion of users, and serves practically no value that I could find. Htc has something similar, but wasn't it cracked really quickly?
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I was hoping that Motorola would use the OMAP4 SoC over the Tegra2, but I guess that's cool of them to use Tegra2. Motoblur is kind of bad though, but better than TouchWiz to be honest.
I have had phones from both Motorola (although not smartphones) and HTC. I wouldn't get a Motorola phone on my network because all of them are kind of bad, but the ones on other networks (mainly Verizon) are pretty cool.
As the saying says "Everyone speaks according to their own personal experience"
Said that, I have been using HTC since 2005 and never had any problem!, so I´ll keep it faithful to the brand
The best devices designs on my personal opinion.
I've had both and I love my HTC. I don't really like stock Sense but custom ROMs fix that quickly. But HTCs have awesome build quality and quality control which cannot be said for motorola. That being said, the Droid X is a sexy ass phone.
Lemme join the rant.
I have no specific love for HTC, despite typing this on a HTC phone. However, I consider Motorola a good hardware company with crap support and product on the software side. Considering the bootloader, kernel, blur, etc.
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Lemme join the rant.
I have no specific love for HTC, despite typing this on a HTC phone. However, I consider Motorola a good hardware company with crap support and product on the software side. Considering the bootloader, kernel, blur, etc.
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Most of the time people care about what kind of experience they get from using the phone. In this case, Motorola usually doesn't deliver in the software end.
If I know that I don't want to use Motorola's version of software, I'd come here or go to another place where I can download a firmware I like better. Without that option, I don't want the phone no matter how good the innards are (not which company makes it).
That said, I'm willing to wait to see what kind of 3rd party support, if any, the Atrix gets.
Honestly it should say something about the company though if people are willing to go out of their way to either avoid or endorse it. Honestly over the past few years I have just not been hot on Motorola's build quality, its been going down hill, nor the way it treats its customers. In the end I would just prefer to vote with my wallet, and the day some one makes a phone that has a totally removable SD card memory that is totally hackable, that is the day a company will find a totally unwavering customer.
I saw the OpenMoko phone at an Linux event.
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Most of the time people care about what kind of experience they get from using the phone. In this case, Motorola usually doesn't deliver in the software end.
If I know that I don't want to use Motorola's version of software, I'd come here or go to another place where I can download a firmware I like better. Without that option, I don't want the phone no matter how good the innards are (not which company makes it).
That said, I'm willing to wait to see what kind of 3rd party support, if any, the Atrix gets.
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What is so bad about motoblur? And even if it of tjat bad couldn55 just use a custom launcher to solve the problem? Oh and im asking; I haven't used a motorola phone yet.
Undying brand loyalty can be very illogical, but people are bound to find themselves being loyal to a brand if they've had nothing but good experiences with it.
As XDA members at least we aren't as limited in our choices, as most would be, when deciding what to buy. We have the option to tailor our software preferences to our liking with custom ROMs, themes etc, thanks to the great devs and their prodigious output!
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It annoys me how biased some people can be towards phones for the stupidest reasons. Just because it's not HTC, they put it down and only think of all the bad points it could possibly have even though it either hasn't been released or they haven't owned it. For example, the ATRIX is by far more superior hardware wise than the Inspire, yet people make comments that it's gonna be a fail because it's not HTC and point out that all the things better than the Inspire are useless (ffc, dual core, HDMI out, docks, 1GB ram, fingerprint scanner thingy). Yes, some of them are useless (fingerprint scanner imo) but, like, I saw a post saying "not HTC, only 5 MP camera... no thanks" which is completely biased and annoys me. They also say that motoblur is horrible and htc sense is the best, but I honestly dont like sense. It goes to far into the system and you just can't get rid of it, plus I find it slow. With motoblur its just the launcher and a few widgets. Get a new launcher from the market and its gone. I've had smartphones from all 3 major manufacturer and I can't bring myself to judge a phone based on the manufacturer. HTC is great, but not the best. They all have good and bad things to them. My experience with HTC has been bad build quailty. Plus they seem to use the least powerful innards. I know their will be flamers for this, but its the truth and i'm seeing in everywhere in general discussion.
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I understand exactly how you feel. Make a comment about owning and using an LG Ally. See how nasty the comments get then. This phone does everything I need it to do with no issues whatsoever. But, I get to hear about how much of a POS it is, how slow it is, how LG phones are garbage, etc, etc, etc.....blindly ignorant loyalty to a certain brand is really ridiculous.
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I just wish they would sell two versions of each phone, stock android and sense/blur/touchwiz. I personally dislike all the manufacturer uis , but I know plenty of people who love them.
I know that is crazy thinking, but its the reason I'm getting a nexus s, go stock go home.
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I just wish they would sell two versions of each phone, stock android and sense/blur/touchwiz. I personally dislike all the manufacturer uis , but I know plenty of people who love them.
I know that is crazy thinking, but its the reason I'm getting a nexus s, go stock go home.
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Me too, hate them with a passion. Nexus line all the way for me, whoever makes it!
I wish Google would take a leaf out of the MS play-book and insist on manufacturers selling their devices with a stock OS. Of course then it would run counter to the open-sauciness of Android.
Hello All. I am just wondering about how developers feel about the bootlock from Motorola versus the lack of support from Samsung, and the battery woes of HTC. What kind of phone are you guys planning on getting?
My personal view seems that Samsung makes a pretty good phone, and who cares if they don't support it because DEVs make better roms anyway. What do you all think? What is the phone of choice?
I'm curious about this as well. I'm looking at all the next gen stuff and wondering which tablets and phones will end up being supported by devs and most of all CM. I'd like to get an xoom or a galaxy tab 10", but if all the devs are planning on buying the HTC flyer I'd go that way just to ensure I have the the dev's device of choice. I guess the best bet is to wait for everything to be released and see what happens?
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Well I'm no dev, but I'm planning on sticking with Samsung more than likely. You're totally right- even though Samsung doesn't support it, devs do (better than Samsung ever could), and the hardware is better than anything out there.
Anyways, why do we all root and use custom ROMs? Because we're dissatisfied with stock software. So company support doesn't matter much to me.
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You asked about phones. IMO, tablets are a different topic entirely (different use cases, different pocket! ), so all I'll say is that when I get a tablet, I'll just get the best one for the best price I can afford
As for my next phone: I'm kinda bummed. I'm VERY happy with my Desire HD, but NFC has caught my attention, so my next phone will be:
-slightly smaller than the DHD
-have NFC
-have the best screen (outdoor visibility) I can find
-last a full day with heavy usage (my DHD fits the bill after using JuiceDefender and SetCPU)
As for who makes it: I don't care, as long as it's rootable (and everything seems to get rooted ). But my last couple of phones have been HTC, as they seem to jibe with my upgrade curve
wow... Guess Devs aren't reading my lowly post. haha
Wow this area of the forum is getting busy, last week there was just a few of us, now the numbers are increasing fast. I knew this phone was going to be popular, just wait till the USA gets it too
Welcome new O3D owners.
Pete
i was just thinking the same i'm a member since yesterday but i followed this forum a few days before that and it's getting real busy awesome
mmm, when is supposed to be out in USA?
I guess we all just know a good phone when we see it.
Can't believe I was considering a Galaxy S2 or an HTC Sensation over my O3D. What was I thinking?!
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I guess we all just know a good phone when we see it.
Can't believe I was considering a Galaxy S2 or an HTC Sensation over my O3D. What was I thinking?!
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Really dude, what were you thinking. Forget about the 3d, Optimus is still better than them. Tri-Dual and the Omap4 is the key
I noticed so excited when I purchased my LG because I'm not so sure whether it is true the right smartphone for me and if it gets the community it deserves. But what amazes me it goes fast because it is not yet available everywhere. I think there are still some great things to come
I'm very close to buying one.
My main concern is that the standard 2D 5MP camera is going to be rubbish up against the Galaxy S II. However, my software support fears have been alleviated by the fact CM7 has been confirmed.
I hear the 3D really is quite excellent.
See this thread if you have a decent pictures to share - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1174827
well i started in this forum with my HTC Elfin, then Xperia X1, then Motorola Milestone, then Galaxy S, then Galaxy S2 (for two weeks) and now my journey ended with this masterpiece of a smartphone!
looking forward to flash and test and flash and so on
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I'm very close to buying one.
My main concern is that the standard 2D 5MP camera is going to be rubbish up against the Galaxy S II. However, my software support fears have been alleviated by the fact CM7 has been confirmed.
I hear the 3D really is quite excellent.
See this thread if you have a decent pictures to share - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1174827
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Someone tell me why cm7 is so much talked about...whats so special about it? A video? I looked at the about page, and it seems its just a malware protector, themer ect. Nothing special? We already have themes?
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Someone tell me why cm7 is so much talked about...whats so special about it? A video? I looked at the about page, and it seems its just a malware protector, themer ect. Nothing special? We already have themes?
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its so much more than just themes. there is deffo no malware protection. most manufacturers would probably describe it as malware!
cyanogenmod is a completely from the ground up customised version of android operating system designed for the power user with the intent of maximising the control over and performance of the raw hardware. it allows you to fully manage the settings and behaviours of your device to suit the way YOU like it.
i will honestly never buy another phone that does not have cyanogen available for it, its that good.
Things do seem to be picking up now in these forums which is nice to see.
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its so much more than just themes. there is deffo no malware protection. most manufacturers would probably describe it as malware!
cyanogenmod is a completely from the ground up customised version of android operating system designed for the power user with the intent of maximising the control over and performance of the raw hardware. it allows you to fully manage the settings and behaviours of your device to suit the way YOU like it.
i will honestly never buy another phone that does not have cyanogen available for it, its that good.
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So it will give us full root, and contain alot optimalisations to make the phone even faster?
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So it will give us full root, and contain alot optimalisations to make the phone even faster?
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well it's not that easy...
cyanogenmod is a opensource version of android.
normal customroms are basing on firmwares of the company.
cm7 not. its based on the officual code from google.
on the one side the programmers are able to change the code more easyer and deeper than the firmwares, on the other hand its harder to port cm7 to a new device with all the hardwaresupport.
and yes cm7 is always rooted
pros of cm7:
faster (not from the beginning on)
more funktions
cooler
cons of cm7:
at the beginning there are always bugs (due the different hardware)
some functions never work (for example tv-output of the galaxy s)
at the beginning batterydrain
so at the beginning the cm7-ports to a new device are buggy, slow, batterydraining and don't support the full hardware.
but after a lot of new releases it's really great! blazing fast, cooler, batterysaving and and and
Just got my P920 hope the amount of users will grow everyday
Okay, sorry but I feel the need to ask this flat out. I bought the Droid X a while ago and to be quite frank, it isn't as powerful as I was lead to believe. I jailbroke my itouch two years ago before I purchased my Android. I can now upgrade my device and am wondering if anyone has hands on experience between the three types of devices, which has the "most" enjoyable experience? When I look at my Droid x vs my itouch, honestly I can't help but think the better choice is an iPhone. But if anyone can tell me otherwise, Id be more than happy to listen.
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Just go to your local phone shop and play with all the devices.
Honestly android doesn't compare at all to the iPhone stock. Android sucks when you first use it because of all of the crap and bloat that is loaded onto it by the manufacturer and carrier... to get a good experience out of it you need to root, install custom roms, mod, etc... it's the same idea as jailbreaking an iphone or touch. Explore the forums, try out miui, cm7, etc. and your experience will be a million times better. That's the same as any other android phone.
IPhones are good stock and good jailbroken, they're geared more towards the basic user and not the power user. Android phones are okay stock and great modified.
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Okay so is it possible my droid x was just a bad choice? Iv used a lot of custom roms, miui is my favorite, but would an HTC be a noticeably better upgrade? Instead of another Motorola?
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If you're a basic user (texts, emails, browsing, games) then I'd say go with the iPhone. But if you like modifying and playing with your phone, I'd say go Android - specifically HTC. Even rooted, Motorola phones are still locked down. I personally don't care for Motorola, but that's just my opinion.
But really it depends on what you like. As mentioned, go to your local store and play with the different phones. You can't tell how they're going to operate rooted or jailbroken, but you can get a feel for what you'll be getting.
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I love both ios and androd，because ios is easy to use and androd is easy to DIY
I think Android is great for those who like to do little to major tweaks(I spend more time on those then in games) and people who came from linux
Okay so is it possible my droid x was just a bad choice? Iv used a lot of custom roms, miui is my favorite, but would an HTC be a noticeably better upgrade? Instead of another Motorola?
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If you've already decided you prefer the iOS interface to Android, then an iPhone is the way to go. It's pretty out the box, simplistic and is easy for anyone to jump into. Like others have said, Android has far more power behind it once it's rooted with custom ROMs. Liken it to Windows vs Mac: a Mac looks good but is heavily limited in customisation by default; you can do what you want to Windows for the most part, but it's not going to be like that straight out of the box. Not the best analogy but it depends on what you want from the device.
If you're a basic user (texts, emails, browsing, games) then I'd say go with the iPhone. But if you like modifying and playing with your phone, I'd say go Android - specifically HTC. Even rooted, Motorola phones are still locked down. I personally don't care for Motorola, but that's just my opinion.
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+1.
Id say wait until the new Mango devices are released, HTC are releasing two shortly and it will be interesting to see the new offerings from Nokia with Mango.
I personally wouldnt buy a new device just yet, if you want to play, but a second hand hd2 and choose which OS to play with, a good and cheap way for trying OS out.
If you aint tried Mango, you havent lived
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Honestly android doesn't compare at all to the iPhone stock. Android sucks when you first use it because of all of the crap and bloat that is loaded onto it by the manufacturer and carrier... to get a good experience out of it you need to root, install custom roms, mod, etc... it's the same idea as jailbreaking an iphone or touch. Explore the forums, try out miui, cm7, etc. and your experience will be a million times better. That's the same as any other android phone.
IPhones are good stock and good jailbroken, they're geared more towards the basic user and not the power user. Android phones are okay stock and great modified.
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I heard most people raved about iPhone and never hear them say any specifics when small amount of people complain about the phone. I've never used an iPhone before, can you give some examples what are the cons about iPhone as far as usability/design...etc. sort of as a user (not a developer or technical user) kind of angle? Thanks!
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I heard most people raved about iPhone and never hear them say any specifics when small amount of people complain about the phone. I've never used an iPhone before, can you give some examples what are the cons about iPhone as far as usability/design...etc. sort of as a user (not a developer or technical user) kind of angle? Thanks!
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I actually swapped to using Android (HTC Desire HD) from the iPhone 4. My personal issues with it were the ability to customise the layout out I wanted it. I also didn't like the way my feeds/calendar synced. It seemed simplistic and limiting to me.
That said, a lot of people love it.
I have been there with the Motorola click. hated it after 4 replacements. I gave up.
I have the HTC inspire 4G and loving it. never had a Iphone. and don't want one.
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Agree with IPhone better right out of the box for the common user, but for me, would never choose Iphone over Android, just because there are no limits on what you can do to the Android. Got HTC Incredible the day it was released and rooted/upgraded to custom rom soon after and have been nothing but perfectly happy. Especially back then before apple had cut & paste, multiple application running, bluetooth stereo music streaming, removal batteries/replacement hong kong batteries for $5 each, etc. Been drouling over Samsung Galaxy S2, but may have to settle for Bionic if not available by end of the year on Verizon.
Htc !!!!!
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In terms of performance with an Android device you can suck every bit of it if you want. Also in terms of device performance at the same price Android devices outclass by far Apple's.
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I have used both Apple's and HTC's phones. They are both great. But I would choose the iPhone any day of the week. Probably just because I'm a big Apple fan. HTC makes great phones too. If I were to get an Android phone, it wouldn't be anything except for a HTC.
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Honestly android doesn't compare at all to the iPhone stock. Android sucks when you first use it because of all of the crap and bloat that is loaded onto it by the manufacturer and carrier... to get a good experience out of it you need to root, install custom roms, mod, etc... it's the same idea as jailbreaking an iphone or touch. Explore the forums, try out miui, cm7, etc. and your experience will be a million times better. That's the same as any other android phone.
IPhones are good stock and good jailbroken, they're geared more towards the basic user and not the power user. Android phones are okay stock and great modified.
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I have used both of android and iOS ones. To be honest, even for iOS devices, they vary. I have a 1st generation iPod Touch with 3.1.3, and my dad has 3G with 4.2.1, the experience on 3G is horrible after the update, because the iOS 4 is not made for that. Sure you will get 'better' experience with jailbreak, but it varies from person. So for Apple, I think it is good if you know the capability of your device and play with it.
I got my first android half year ago, HTC Wildfire, it was pretty good experience using it, simply it has the most app for me, gmail. Also it was cheap. But believe me, you dont get any eyes on it, people will think its just an ordinary phone. Second device, HTC Desire S. Just got it a few days ago, yeah this one its much smoother and faster phone, but also expensive.
So overall I did not make any sense on my post, but anyway, I tried.
My 7th post! 3 more then I can thank the LBC ROM for my HTC.
Edit: I think for android, the better configuration the better experience. But on iOS it is not that obvious, you will be able to play most (if not, a LOT) of the games on Appstore with your 2nd generation of iPod touch.
I'd go for HTC.
Have had 3 of them and have never had regrets.
Tested Iphones and was not impressed. Expensive and limited.
//M8 L8
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2402691,00.asp
HTC profits plunge 70% over the past year, and I have a few ideas why.
1) Build quality clearly took a backseat to production numbers. Just take a look at the AWFUL devices (such as the Sensation) that HTC has produced recently. Dust under the screen, cheap components, and shoddy assemblies are not good for business!!
2) SENSE!!! Anyone think it was/is a coincidence that as soon as HTC started forcing Sense on all its phones the numbers took a dive? I dont, and clearly the market agrees with me. Sense is probably one of the worst conceived and implemented "enhancements" to ever hit android and that has obviously hurt HTC big time.
3) Trying to compete as an iphone replacement. Lets be honest, the iphone IS the 800 pound gorilla in the room. However, by churning out 20 "different" yet basically identical phones in 12 months HTC is only diluting its brand. Further, the Sense based "enhancements" only appeal to small minded folks who would choose an iphone, not real android fans. Sure, Sense (and IOS) look 'pretty' but neither provide any functionality. In addition both Sense and IOS are bloated, slow, and take for ever to get updates.
In summary, HTC tried to be everything to everyone and it backfired. They should go back to building QUALITY phones with proper software. Let the little kids, teens, and tweens go buy iphones, and let Sense die a FAST death! FIX THE BUILD QUALITY and people will buy your devices!! I dont know what else I can say about that. If HTC insists on making multiple phones, at least provide SOME level of differentiation! 20 phones that look identical is not a product set, ITS CONFUSING TO CONSUMERS.
Thank you and have a nice day.
HTC had a bad year ( and it's their fault ) but the good thing is that they 've learned. They are focusing on the ONE series this year and I must say those phones are the best available right now ( each in its league ).
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Well said......i used to b an htc fan nd i jumped to sammy lately due to the dilution.u referred to. Very similar phones within a very short period of time. What were they thnkng? They had no time i bet to innovate due to the demand for productn. Htc remind me of dubai.....grew too big in too little time! Now the dive comes.....but they forecasted that to say the truth. I mean expeert would have recommended that htc continue doing wat they 1st started to do......quality in low numbers....low cost meant high return! I guess their board got greedy at one time. I really doubt they can turn thngs arnd seeing how ruthless the market is. No place 4 mistakes.
Although I do agree with you in some case I also strongly disagree in others.
I'm a really big android fan and I really like sense I think it's the best OEM skin but I also like AOSP a lot , so that is just an opinion. I consider it one of the best skins its the most bloated one too. And your statement about iOS being slow, bloated and taking forever to update... Wtf iOS is definanatly not slow and its one of the smoothest ,and all of the supported iPhones and iOS devices get updates on the same day that it is released.
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i've gone back and forth between stock android and sense, and i often prefer sense. i'd like to think i'm not small-minded.
Oh...well ,it's fun while it last. My next phone I wanted the best looking screen. If T-Mobile USA release the One X, I would have bought it in a heart beat. But it's not going to happened, so I'll wait for Samsung 1080P screen hehe.
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Sure they made some mistakes in 2011, but they've learned and we can already see the results in the One line which has come out to glowing reviews everywhere. As long as HTC can stand their ground and refuse carriers' requests for custom designs (which I believe is what was behind the scatter-shot approach they took last year) they will be fine. I still think HTC's build quality is the best in the Android world (I have had none of the problems people have mentioned with my Sensation aside from the dust, and my current phone has been dust-free for several months now), and nothing on the One series looks to change that.
And, I must say, having used Sense 3.x, 4, and AOSP, the latter isn't all that people make it out to be. In my daily use I can still find areas where Sense (especially 4) does things better - for example, in the lock screen, music player, browser, and home screens. I have not seen any speed advantage to AOSP over Sense that doesn't require a benchmark to show, and there is nothing I can do in stock ICS that I can't do in Sense. Also, I find the AOSP minimalist look becomes tiresome after a couple days, while Sense 4 does not, while looking just as nice. Caring about the aesthetics of the UI is not "small-minded" as long as one doesn't give up functionality - and Sense 4 does not.
Every big company has their software ontop of android running its a normal thing while i agree that sense is bloated but i disagree where you say its slow ...
I was running stock and didnt feel lag at all + the custom sense widgets are good looking if you'd ask me ...
The main reason why its falling its because they make too much device in short time and they don't put enough effort into them id rather love to see them release very few devices a year but work really hard on them ...
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This article was a reality check and EVERY HTC Executive should read it.
Obviously you have only used HTC for a while now. I actually totally disagree.
I owned a Samsung Galaxy i9000 as my last phone. To give you an idea of how the top phone of the market performed at the time:
1) Everyone suffered terrible lag. This was never fixed. Sometimes the phone would just freeze up for a minute. Happened to me once when I wanted to take what would have been a great picture
2) The RAM was so limited because of the requirement for the CPU/GPU, that there wasn't enough to webbrowse for longer than 20mins without the phone crashing
3) The GPS on none of the units worked that well. Over time they added what appeared to be smoothing algorithms, but, at the end of the day, it was mostly unusable for driving, because the signal constantly dropped.
4) A huge amount of units had failing flash quite quickly. My phone (which wasn't an i9000M) had this problem.
5) No OTA updates, and the PC software to do updates was terrible. Seriously, this is something HTC perfected years ago.
6) TouchWiz was complete garbage. To give you an idea of how garbage it was, by default, the apps weren't even sorted alphabetically.
I suspect that a large number of these problem is caused because since Samsung manufactures their own components, it would look bad if they used their competitors components.
Also, you complain about Sense, but Sense is actually EXCELLENT. Only recently has the AOSP interface been half decent, and in comparison to other phones, it has been amazing.
HTC also regularly updates their phone software, of even their older phones. On the i9000, we got 2.1 and 2.2, and they were bloody difficult to install because Kies didn't work on many computers (no OTA supported either). And other manufacturers like Sony Ericson do an even worse job for software. iPhone's get all the updates, BUT, on the other hand, iOS can't play FLAC files, and you HAVE to go through their app store.
Sorry, but, I TOTALLY disagree. The popularity of phones appear to have more to do with advertising than anything else these days, and Samsung's boost is simply because of their collaboration with Google. But, in all honesty, the i9000 should have been recalled.
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Obviously you have only used HTC for a while now. I actually totally disagree.
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That is incorrect. In fact, I was one of the first importers of HTC phones (to the US) over a decade ago when they were just getting into Windows Mobile. I have probably had, sold, or used every HTC model that was compatible with US GSM or CDMA bands since the year 2000. As such, I speak from YEARS of experience and I can honestly say I am disappointed. Clearly my disappointment is not something I alone feel, since a 70% drop in profits indicates something is SERIOUSLY wrong.
As I said in my OP, HTC can fix this problem fairly easily. All they need to do is FOCUS and produce a GOOD product that people actually want. I personally think the whole "one" line is garbage, and I eagerly look forward to its demise in 18 (or so) months when Google forces ALL manufacturers to use a STANDARD (ie stock) version of Android. Until then, we will have a fractured, unsupported, miserable selection of phones. Check out the following graph for a better understanding of what Sense and other "enhanced" overlays have done to Android.
http://www.electronista.com/articles/11/10/27/android.support.seen.lagging.iphone.by.wide.margin/
Those stats are a few months old, however the fragmentation has only gotten worse with ICS. Enjoy!
Stock markets are like roller coasters. Htc has been on a roll up as of late...so now it's down time! Next year it will be back up...nothing to worry about
Interesting chart at the end. But i actually agree. HTC needs to focus more of what they make. One high-end and one cheap model, and possibly one with keyboard like Desire Z would suffice.
But they release too many models and in fact i just knew long ago that it was a poor business model evolving, and there would be too many phones to keep updated in the end. Thats was one reason why i dropped out of Android/htc for a while coz i thought the phones that kept coming in loads of models was just "experimental" pieces to flex muscles with tougher and rougher specs, with little care about them. And thus the fear of losing updates could easily be a reality.
Hats off to Apple anyways that keeps their products healthy for some years before they are discontinued.
Sensationaly sent from my Sensation.
Sindroid said:
Interesting chart at the end. But i actually agree. HTC needs to focus more of what they make. One high-end and one cheap model, and possibly one with keyboard like Desire Z would suffice.
But they release too many models and in fact i just knew long ago that it was a poor business model evolving, and there would be too many phones to keep updated in the end.
Sensationaly sent from my Sensation.
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Spot on - how many different handsets did they release last year? Way too many.
Different UIs like Sense actually help sell devices. While a lot of folk here might go for the native aosp look, it's very dull and uninteresting to the average user (compared to iPhone and even WM7). It's really only the different manufacturers UIs that differentiate product offerings, otherwise wouldn't they all look the same?
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Spot on - how many different handsets did they release last year? Way too many.
Different UIs like Sense actually help sell devices. While a lot of folk here might go for the native aosp look, it's very dull and uninteresting to the average user (compared to iPhone and even WM7). It's really only the different manufacturers UIs that differentiate product offerings, otherwise wouldn't they all look the same?
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I agree they would all look the same and a android phone wouldn't be so special anymore for example people would stop buying android phones if they were all running pure google rom... Because it would be all the same thing it would get quite boring..
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I agree with your views about build quality.
HTC have cheapened out on the components. They are using cheap EMMC chips, which are prone to frying, thus bricking your phone, on their devices from 2011 (Desire S)
But I strongly disagree with everything else you say.
Liking Sense or not is subjective. But I can tell you that I bet at least 70% buy HTC devices for the Sense experience. It's HTC's way of differentiation from the rest if the Market. If every OEM released pure AOSP, they would all virtually be the same. Hardware would only be the key factor. HTC's hardware isn't as good as Samsung's (specs wise) but in 2010, it clearly proved that the Desire was better than the Galaxy S...
Why?
Because of the Sense UI experience.
2011, things changes. Yes the SGSII was the phone of the year, due to its mighty specs.
But Sense is not as bad as you describe it. If you detest Sense so much, why did you buy the phone?
Also, I want to layout out - I'm not an Apple Fanboy, but I strongly disagree with what you say. Seriously, iOS slow and bloated?
It's clean and fast. The only slow iOS devices I encountered was the iPhone 3G.
How is it bloated? Apple load up minimal applications on the device. To some extent I agree with you about Sense (by default they load up so much junk - still doesn't take away the fact Sense is a good UI though)
And iOS slow with updates? Are you kidding me? It's much faster than Android updates from OEMs. But that comes back to the point with HTC being crap at software updates. I agree with you there! They are so damn slow with the ICS update for other devices (even though I have no intentions of using the official update)
So yes, HTC have become worse. (But I think they are goog to get higher profits etc in Q2,3,4 due to their new One lineup)
But, I don't think its fair that you bash Sense UI. Or bashing iOS with incorrect/false facts.
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people would stop buying android phones if they were all running pure google rom... Because it would be all the same thing it would get quite boring..
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That is a ridiculous statement and totally wrong. ALL Apple phones are exactly the same yet they sell millions of them. If all android phones ran the same OS it would be BETTER for users and they would sell MORE devices. That way manufacturers could focus their development around actually adding value. For instance, some would use a higher quality material, others would include a really great camera, others would build a physical keyboard, etc. Right now the manufacturers/carriers are focused on horrible overlays (cough, SENSE, cough...) that they never update. The end users is suffering now, and the Android fragmentation diagram I linked to is proof of this.
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Just take a look at the AWFUL devices (such as the Sensation) that HTC has produced recently. Dust under the screen, cheap components, and shoddy assemblies are not good for business!!
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Me, my fiancee and my best friend all have Sensations and none of us have ever had any build quality problems. My biggest problem was the terrible battery life at launch, but with an Anker battery, successive Gingerbread updates, then a custom ICS ROM from here, it's all good.
It strikes me that HTC have invested millions into phones no-one has asked for. Sensation XE and XL with royalities going to Dr. Dre? What were they smoking when they thought that up? Do they not realise that top-spec HTC phones are for geeks such as myself, and geeks don't listen to Dr. Dre.
Well, I don't anyway.
And as for the One series... iPhone wannabes, complete with no SD-card slot and a fixed battery. Not the right direction to be headed imho.
I do agree with the large number of products being released hurt their image, but I'd have to think a large part of that was due to the huge popularity of the GS2 (and sebsequently the GNex) which leapfrogged Samsung ahead. And the iPhone is always the behemoth in the room. I like my phone, but I hated how they had 15 variations of it in the year. I can barely tell the difference between any of the Sensation models and the other HTC phones (thunderbolt, desire, desire HD, etc etc) all looked very similar and confused consumers.
I like where they are going, but my next phone will likely be a Nexus because I don't want the Sense overlay anymore--nothing against HTC though. If they made the next Nexus, I'd be stoked.
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And as for the One series... iPhone wannabes, complete with no SD-card slot and a fixed battery. Not the right direction to be headed imho.
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No SD Card is a shame. But I do think spec wise they are going in the right direction. People slated the Sensation for having slightly lower specs than the GS2 e.g. in terms of RAM and Internal Memory and they seem to be rectifying that.