Hi, does anyone know why the ANDROID system menus are not listed alphabetically? They seem to be listed in some indiscernible order, at least in English. I feel it would be logical and more user friendly if the order was alphabetical. Any ideas, thoughts?
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Thanks. Anil
PS. I'm running CM7 on a O2X with an ICS theme.
They're roughly ordered into categories, although the more used options tend to be closer to the top (WIFI settings have the possibility to be accessed as part of regular usage, other menus are accessed less frequently)
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They're roughly ordered into categories, although the more used options tend to be closer to the top (WIFI settings have the possibility to be accessed as part of regular usage, other menus are accessed less frequently)
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Hi Kagadar, categories? Most frequently used?
I for one have a Wi-Fi widget, which means that option can be accessed from one of my home screens. When I do pay a visit to the system menu's, it seems a bit chaotic, especially for new users. And don't user patterns differ greatly?
Most OS' use an alphabetical listing, which is logical. Thanks for your reply. I wish there was an option to list alphabetically.
Anil
Yeah, I would have to goto usability/ease of use. Top 4 options in ics i use many more times than other options
While I agree that it is chaotic at first, not everyone uses a wifi widget (I simply don't have the screen real estate for something as infrequently used as that). If I need to enter settings, 9/10 times it is to access bluetooth or wifi settings. Those are right on the top simply because they're the most common reason to be in the settings menu.
A lot of the other settings are things that only need a one time configuration based on the users preferences. Applications is another commonly used one, but its redundant since there is a link from the launcher context menu directly to the applications page.
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While I agree that it is chaotic at first, not everyone uses a wifi widget (I simply don't have the screen real estate for something as infrequently used as that). If I need to enter settings, 9/10 times it is to access bluetooth or wifi settings. Those are right on the top simply because they're the most common reason to be in the settings menu.
A lot of the other settings are things that only need a one time configuration based on the users preferences. Applications is another commonly used one, but its redundant since there is a link from the launcher context menu directly to the applications page.
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Hi Kagadar, interesting points. I have never used Bluetooth, LOL. And your right once most settings are normally visited once and then set, there isn't much need to go back. I have a Wi-Fi widget simply to turn Wi-Fi off so I can switch to 3G when my home internet connection has a lot of traffic.
I think the most 'logical' order would alphabetical. But the coolest order would be sorted in order of times used. The options you rarely use move down, and the ones you use often move to the top. That is how technology should work, for us, not the other way around.
Thanks for your sharing your opinion, very enlightening. Anil
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Yeah, I would have to goto usability/ease of use. Top 4 options in ics i use many more times than other options
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Hi toast333, ease of use is always the best option. But ALL users have different usage patterns. So you may please a lot of users, some users will be s**t out of luck.
But my question is from a UI designers point of view. I know new users know their alphabet, a, b, c, d... So having to learn where settings are, can be less frustrating if they follow an order they already understand.
I do see your point, you are by your comment, an experienced user? I wonder how new users would find this layout? I cut my UI teeth on a Mac, a platform which has a lot of consistency and predictable logic. Simply because a user shouldn't have to re-learn certain fundamentals. Key commands are the same throughout and rarely/never change from app to app.
It makes the user experience less frustrating.
Thanks for your opinion. Anil
Apple probably have a Patent on listing Menus alphabetically!
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Apple probably have a Patent on listing Menus alphabetically!
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Actually Apple, don't list menu items alphabetically.
Thanks for your informed comment. Anil
Not only did you miss the point but you failed to realise that it even existed!
Do you think that every patent Apple owns is IP that is included in it's own software? That's not how it works!
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Not only did you miss the point but you failed to realise that it even existed!
Do you think that every patent Apple owns is IP that is included in it's own software? That's not how it works!
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OK, if it makes you feel better, feel smug.
Nothing like ignorance without the bliss.
Greetings from sunny Italy. Anil
And one more because it's a Friday
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Hi,
I have released my minfree manager. this app is designed to help make your phone run smoother
AutoKiller 0.8.2b
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- simple/advanced mode
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- settings reapply on boot (no init file hacking, i use a service)
- pages/mb views
come on, check the main thread.
0.8.2b is released
0.9b is out, go get it
Thank you for the app.
I have a few suggestions:
-Presets are applied automatically without having to press apply. This is an inconvenient way to see what the settings are.
-The statistics should be uploaded before app exit when settings are finalized as opposed to each time a setting is applied. (When switching through presets this is a double whammy)
-When the keyboard is flipped on the G1 it resets, settings are applied, and the Start up dialog is displayed.
I have v .09
Keep up the good work!
This software is really a godsend. I've never bothered with most of the "Task Killer" programs for exactly the reason AutoKiller was created: Android already has a way to manage memory.
Never occurred to me that the parameters were adjustable though, so thanks for thinking of it and making a useful utility!
Can we exclude apps from being killed, such as the Alarm Clock, etc? Super important for those of us that want to keep out jobs
Clock shouldn't be killed by this automatic killer.
It should be one of the most important tasks on android.
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Can we exclude apps from being killed, such as the Alarm Clock, etc? Super important for those of us that want to keep out jobs
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I would like to know too. It keeps killing the email app. Hence I never got any email notifications after a while
I would imagine that the idea of "excluding" apps fro this doesn't make any sense or is even feasible, since it isn't artificially killing apps, rather it is adjusting when Android kills apps, I guess you could add some sort of "keep in memory" option like most new launcher apps have but I doubt the efficacy of those options nor do I know if they can be set via an outside app or whether that must be coded into the app itself...
If its killing off apps you need and use frequently, it sounds like you should lower your presets a notch or two. ie. Optimal instead of Strict
Or let Android do it for you.....
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Or let Android do it for you.....
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Android is doing it for you...this just give you the ability to adjust the android settings.
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Android is doing it for you...this just give you the ability to adjust the android settings.
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I'll hedge my bets on the Google engineers..
Thats fine, you do that. Some of us like that we can do as we wish with our phones to make them even faster.
Why would you even bother posting? Maybe iPhone is the device for you if you like things handed to you and you just take it? ;-)
Don't pick on the poor guy. I mean, come on-- he has like one of the only unrooted nexus one's in existence. That obviously makes him special in the shortbus sort of way and you simply cannot make fun of special people.
Oh, and I love autokiller. Keep up the good work, Ratson!
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Don't pick on the poor guy. I mean, come on-- he has like one of the only unrooted nexus one's in existence. That obviously makes him special in the shortbus sort of way and you simply cannot make fun of special people.
Oh, and I love autokiller. Keep up the good work, Ratson!
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Yep, some people have real work to do with their phone, not install random things on it.. So far my "need to root" list is pretty short.
Shortbus.. Not even going to bother on that one.
I forgot, you're too busy trolling and making blackmoor uglier. If you don't like the guy's work, then gtfo because apparently several things are shorter than your list of reasons to root like your imagination, charm, and the micro mini between your legs that causes you to tear down legitimate work that apparently you don't understand. Google didn't engineer a one size fits all solution-- they created an ingenious flexible, scalable open source platform that could be modified into a near infinite combination of solutions to fit any need based on the requirements of oem, carrier, and the hardware itself.
Can we get back on the topic?, which is the app. not who like what how.
Please do not flame each other.
No personal attacks on anyone will be tolerated here at XDA. Please read the Rules.
Here at XDA we believe, everyone has a right to be different; and there is no harm in being different.
If someone attacks somebodies personal choice, it won't be appreciated and will eventually get you into trouble.
So please lets concentrate on the application and not it's users' choices/preferances.
I hope all of you comply.
Madnish30.
Does devices need be rooted to use this app ?
anyone knows how to exclude the alarmclock from the killing? I need it to wake me up.....
I've been using google analytics for a little while now and grown to like the way information is laid out for the desktop browser version. Then I looked on the market and found some apps that give you basic information from your account.
But they left me a bit wanting. I was hoping for something more informative, easy and fast to read and remember.
Now as I'm programming illiterate I can only speak for usability and general feel of the app, while appreciating and giving credit to the people putting their time, talent and effort into writing them. The following is not a criticism, it is a proposal for improvement.
So I tried to make something better. Thought about why the desktop version works so well for me and sought out ways to include as much of it onto a small screen. So I drafted my idea of an interface and interaction plus an explanation on how I see it working.
I've done this with a 480 width so that anyone with a 480x800 screen can see how it would look with a bit of zooming 1:1
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As you can see, I've done things a bit differently. Starting with choosing the account and profile, everything is on one page. No more 2-3-4 taps before you get what info you need. This should work by setting one account and one profile as default in the settings. Also integrated graphical representations with a bit of interaction to help with bringing a lot of info onto a small screen.
Also chose the areas that I think would be of most interest. This might not be true for everyone so i'm open for suggestions.
Now, I have some questions.
1. Is this technically feasible?
For one, the apps on the market I've tried so far take a few seconds to return 20-30 lines of text. (my device is a htc desire) How much time wold it take to download and process all this behemoth of data? If too much, could the interface be loaded sequentially by section?
2. What are the hardware platforms that this app could work on with decent performance?
Hero class? Snapdragon?
So I'm looking for someone that is interested in either:
- coding the app from the ground up
- or improving (at least i'm hoping this is an improvement ) his/her existing app with all this
I'm also looking for some feedback of existing analytics apps users.
I would help in any way my programmingly crippled self could. I can also do all the things I've done with Timester: concept, graphics, promotion.
Here is the thread for Timester: Timester development thread
Could someone with experience tell if this is possible?
Thank you
Hello zamolxees,
thanks for the idea. Of course this would be possible to realise. While implementing my app GAnalyticz I had several problems and questions you also have:
How to display the big list of data on the small screen?
How to make the app as fast as possible?
What is the best user experience?
...
I decided to make only a text based view (table). I this case you can show the data on every device with any resolution and you have all information you need. I know it's not so fancy, but it is/was ok for a first version (I think ).
Second important part was the app performance. Google hasn't a library ready and there aren't any good libraries available, so I had to call the Google API on my own. You can get the data in xml via http request. Just combine the metrics & dimensions available in querystring.
So getting the data is very easy. The easiest way to get all the needed data is to make one http request. But then you have to sort and filter the xml which needs a lot of performance. This made my app unuseable. Because of this I decided to make multiple requests. In this case I can just parse the xml and output the data while iterating through it. This is much faster (the fastest way I found, I've tried a lot...). But as you say it is also slow this way...This is because the response from the Google service is really really slow...
So far about my app. Technical it is easy to implement (I think the graphical stuff is the hardest part, but there are libraries for this). The challenge is to find the perfect way to show the data on the device (and to get a good performance for this). You could also load the data sequentially (as I also did).
In my opinion, the hardware is not a problem. This should run on every device.
Actually I don't have enough time to implement this or improve my app (because of another app ). But I hope you will find another developer and looking forward to download this app
Many greets,
aquasonic
Hey, thank you for your detailed input.
I think that one way to help with slow response time from google servers might be to make the requests for data in the background at set intervals (6 or 12 hours) and when the app is opened do the processing of data already received.
The user could clearly see the hour of the last sync and also choose to refresh if they wanted to.
Isn't there a more elegant solution to getting analytics data from google?
Thanks again aqua-sonic, good luck on the other app, let us know how it turns out
Anyone else wanting to take a stab at it?
I'm thinking that as there are a lot of people using analytics apps now, all the more would want to use this.
Any existing users would care to express their opinion?
Would this interface mean an improvement that is worth investing time and effort into?
Would you like to see this done?
Know any good good developers willing to write the code?
Enough questions.
I was thinking about a stand alone organized app drawer ( by stand alone i mean like "all apps organizer, you can find it on market).
This was my concept (very childish paint but you shoud get it)
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The main objective of the app drawer is to have all the apps organized by type in the same "screen" and if they does not fit into one screen you can down scroll to see the remaining apps, just like a normal app drawer. Then to change type (like games,apps,utility,internet etc) just side scrool.
Everything would be organized alphabetically on a screen and there should be the ability to move an app throug the screen to change category. Last "screen" should be uncategorized and over there will be placed all the installed apps to be moved on the right category manually.
i don't know if this has been made but i think it could be a very good app drawer
sorry my english and say what you think about this concept
This post is to find someone that would like to develop this
There is something similar in ADW LauncherEX.
You can create groups of programs and swipe through them on the app drawer. Although it doesn't have any transition between the groups, it just changes, which is a bit dull.
I do love the idea though
i really like the concept!
This is a really great idea!
I think it would be even cooler if the app categorized the apps for you. If it gets a few wrong, you would still be able to move it to a different screen. I would hate going through each app to add it, if you know what I mean.
That's more like the webos style, pages and categories of apps. I like this design a lot.
mal93 said:
The main objective of the app drawer is to have all the apps organized by type in the same "screen" and if they does not fit into one screen you can down scroll to see the remaining apps, just like a normal app drawer. Then to change type (like games,apps,utility,internet etc) just side scrool.
Everything would be organized alphabetically on a screen and there should be the ability to move an app throug the screen to change category. Last "screen" should be uncategorized and over there will be placed all the installed apps to be moved on the right category manually.
i don't know if this has been made but i think it could be a very good app drawer
sorry my english and say what you think about this concept
This post is to find someone that would like to develop this
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This is MY IDEA!!
The day I bought my Captivate several months ago, its the first thing I thought of that Android could do with its app drawer that would make it awesome. Have all apps categorized by user created categories and then in alphabetical order with new programs automatically going into these categories or else placed in a temporary folder for the user to categorize them later on.
And then for navigation you could have a side scrolling menu that lists all the categories so that you can immediately jump to that category at the touch of a button. I have it completely mapped out how it would work in my mind, but unfortunately I have zero programming capabilities. Crap.
This is a very neat concept. I think it would be really cool for the app drawer to categorize all of your apps for you by default. Obviously there should be room to reorganize and create your own categories of apps as well.
Very neat!
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This is a really great idea!
I think it would be even cooler if the app categorized the apps for you. If it gets a few wrong, you would still be able to move it to a different screen. I would hate going through each app to add it, if you know what I mean.
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Categorizing things is annoying just the first time then just install and move the application. With multi select it would be fast to move application.
The only thing we need now is a developer
I agree this is an awesome idea and would be much easier to use than the standard app drawer
By the way, the app AppCat is vaguelly similar to this idea but not very user friendly but i dont know if that helps with anything
RDS
I know this is on webOS phones, but great idea for Android! Sometimes I feel my app drawer is too cluttered, loving the idea.
I'm trying appcat to see what it is.
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YEs, it categorizes verything but too many categories and is not ok for daily use as main app drawer. too long to find an app between those categories and interface
take a look at appGrouper aswell it may be closer to what you are looking for
RDS
actually, look at the home replacement tag home. It's app drawer is very close to what you want and is quite a nice launcher alternative
RDS
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take a look at appGrouper aswell it may be closer to what you are looking for
RDS
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I already have a app organized app drawer (all apps organizer). I justed wanted to see if someone would like to develop my concept as i think is simpler,eye candy and effective.
And what home replacement are you talking can you post full name or link^^?
bump this topic still looking for developers
You could have been learning how to code for the entire time this thread was inactive! Then you would be able to bring your own idea to life.
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Does it sync with google tasks?
Currently no, however sync with Google Tasks and proper Honeycomb support are the next two things on my list.
Really liking the look of this, am constantly on the lookout for a nicer task manager.
I love the simplistic approach and UI. One suggestion might be an option to turn off the custom font? It is pretty funky but a little overwhelming on the eyes when used everywhere..
Also like your idea of keeping the free version one behind the paid, an approach I haven't seen before Looking forward to see what the widget it like, if Im still using this in a couple of days will definitely get the pro version. Cheers!
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Really liking the look of this, am constantly on the lookout for a nicer task manager.
I love the simplistic approach and UI. One suggestion might be an option to turn off the custom font? It is pretty funky but a little overwhelming on the eyes when used everywhere..
Also like your idea of keeping the free version one behind the paid, an approach I haven't seen before Looking forward to see what the widget it like, if Im still using this in a couple of days will definitely get the pro version. Cheers!
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Thanks for the feedback! I'll definitely add in an option for the custom font. I can't get rid of it everywhere (specifically the buttons) but the option will let you ditch it in the task list and the edit/create screen.
I believe I've only seen the free behind paid model one or two other times, and I really liked it. It lets users see what they're getting in its entirety, yet still give them an incentive to upgrade.
Is there a way to sync between two users? Like myself and my girlfriend are looking for a syncing task list so we can put to-dos for each other without any manual effort.
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Is there a way to sync between two users? Like myself and my girlfriend are looking for a syncing task list so we can put to-dos for each other without any manual effort.
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If you set up Google Tasks sync with the same email account in the app, then they'll sync between devices. You don't need to use the same Google account on the phone itself, or on other devices, only when you set up sync in Task'd. I'll be sure to update this post once I get it updated.
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i paid 10$ because i think its a very good apps
I want!
I put in my $10 yesterday, think I was the 24th or 25th backer
Really just want it for my Prime now
The widgets are really, really nice, though Tasker can already do the event based homescreen switching. I'd put more emphasis of the look, less on the automation
Contribution made! Hope it leads to something..
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The widgets are really, really nice, though Tasker can already do the event based homescreen switching. I'd put more emphasis of the look, less on the automation
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Sorry for off-topic but how can you detect homescreen switch with tasker? ...
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Sorry for off-topic but how can you detect homescreen switch with tasker? ...
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Don't know what you mean by "detect" but if you mean actually switch them, the "go home" feature has a page system that works with a select few launchers, alternatively you can simply use different launchers altogether and use the load app feature to load them at different times. The latter is probably better, since then you can truly have different launchers and not be stuck with a single homescreen per "profile" like Chameleon is
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Don't know what you mean by "detect" but if you mean actually switch them, the "go home" feature has a page system that works with a select few launchers, alternatively you can simply use different launchers altogether and use the load app feature to load them at different times. The latter is probably better, since then you can truly have different launchers and not be stuck with a single homescreen per "profile" like Chameleon is
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Ah, i understand, thank you.
Will there ever be a smart-phone version? This looks absolutely stunning and I wouldn't mind chipping in if it was coming for smartphone.
Also seems like you're making good progress. I opened this thread and went to kickstarter, saw 893 backers and 7980 something $, posted this comment, went back 896 backers and 8008$
WOW its already 8018$
Wow, I can't believe how much money this has got in just one day. I think it was at $50 or so when I checked earlier.
added my $10 -- this looks very interesting....can't wait!
Sorry, but we don't allow people to come here looking for donations up front, before producing any work.
This is clearly stated in the forum rules.
Thanks.