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It been a couple of weeks since i started the Cyanogen Updater - which made it to market in less than 24 hours. It was on everybody's TODO list and it just took one thread being opened to get it done.
Lets try and pull off another miracle....
LETS GIVE ANDROID REAL OBEX SUPPORT
Thanks to the openOBEX guys we have a command line tool to do the job - but that ain't quite good enough.
The average user doesn't want to have to type - thats barbaric in this day and age (personally i love it, but i am a little bit weird)
We have something to build on - it is already integrated in to cyanogens roms
We have two real options - include the required tools or just make the gui access the tools - either way, it can be done.
Yes, there is already Bluex... But why should we pay for something that the phone should already have???
If you are with me - post here. If you want to be a coder, tester, art-guy or just support us with a few thanks this is where to do it
You can PM me here or email me at [email protected]
Google Code
Bluetooth Stack Development Thread
OpenOBEX Thread
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Cyanogen's Experimental Branch
i will hellp you out a little bit with bugfiuxes and so but my primary thing is the updater
im fairly new to the whole android and dont know much but im willing to test. ive been testing CM roms since he started coming out with them.
This should be pretty simple, in theory anyway. All we technically have to do is have something that browses thru the filesystem (think SUFBS), and then when you click a file initiate the shell commands necessary or openobex. For recieving there could be a seperate tab at the bottom that when you switched to it it would open the socket to receive a file.
Art guy - reporting in!
Will lend my support whenever possible. As always, great to see more community oriented efforts like this. Once you guys get the app to a working point, I'll be happy to do some artwork for it like the CM Updater thread. Hopefully we can do this again fast.
great to have you on board again prash
i was hoping u n matt would find this thread
anyone who wants added to the google code administrator list - let me know and it shall be done
GOD bless you ALL!!
im sure when cyanogen sees this HE will bless us
im realloy glad to see another project, especially one as useful as this!
thanks....
all we need is some half-decent coders and we will be all set
it is theoretically very simple....but with time it will become more and more complex with extra features hopefully
Im going to jump right in and be THAT guy ... what is open obex?
OBEX=OBject EXchange=how protocol used when sending via bluetooth ot infrared
Open=open source=anyone can use the code with no copyright issues
OpenOBEX=2+2
This will be VERY interesting to follow, this is definately the only feature missing from android, and with prash doing graphics.... its gonna look good for sure (@ prash, using systemforce3... tried new dark hero, 3 hours later I was back to sf3... love the clock ) back on topic... if the knowledge of the coders here is anything to go by, I recon obex will be done by CM4.0.3
Hello,
i'm a sophomore college student look forward to learn how to code for android.. took two java classes in college.. how or where do i get started to learn the code, and may be i can be useful on the next project?
Click on my name at the bottom of the signature to email me..
kmassada said:
Hello,
i'm a sophomore college student look forward to learn how to code for android.. took two java classes in college.. how or where do i get started to learn the code, and may be i can be useful on the next project?
Click on my name at the bottom of the signature to email me..
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Here's a start on learning
Also in college, computer science major, taken a bunch of programming classes so I'll try and be of some use
garok89 said:
It been a couple of weeks since i started the Cyanogen Updater - which made it to market in less than 24 hours. It was on everybody's TODO list and it just took one thread being opened to get it done.
Lets try and pull off another miracle....
LETS GIVE ANDROID REAL OBEX SUPPORT
Thanks to the openOBEX guys we have a command line tool to do the job - but that ain't quite good enough.
The average user doesn't want to have to type - thats barbaric in this day and age (personally i love it, but i am a little bit weird)
We have something to build on - it is already integrated in to cyanogens roms
We have two real options - include the required tools or just make the gui access the tools - either way, it can be done.
Yes, there is already Bluex... But why should we pay for something that the phone should already have???
If you are with me - post here. If you want to be a coder, tester, art-guy or just support us with a few thanks this is where to do it
You can PM me here or email me at [email protected]
Google Code
Bluetooth Stack Development Thread
OpenOBEX Thread
OpenOBEX @ Gitorious
Cyanogen's Experimental Branch
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There is a aplication from the market called andrOBEX, and i think that app cover this.
Go to www.androbex.com and see if it is true, or try to work with the author to make it better.
If i'm wrong, count me in to help.
Does openobex support viewing directories and files which someone else is sharing and/or selecting your own directories for others to browse? I havent tried bluex but the description for that doesnt say whether it does or not, I dont know if that is based on openobex anyway though.
Would really like to see the development for this like the cyanogen updater, wish I could do something to help besides test.
i had no idea androbex existed - il look into it
this thread may be redundant....
Androbex doesn't appear to be able to receive files. Getting obexftp or something similar running shouldn't be hard. It just needs to be secure.
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Androbex doesn't appear to be able to receive files. Getting obexftp or something similar running shouldn't be hard. It just needs to be secure.
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Bluex can recieve with root access.
As long as a Rom doesn't include googlebits it should be fine on google code right? It would be nice to use for bug tracking and a quick downloading service.
Doubt it, since I imagine that a lot of bits are closed-source and harvested from existing ROM dumps and so forth.
I believe quietblongs was the only dev here that actually built his roms from source. With that said. I mean the entire thing except some libs. But I'm not sure if anyone else is doing this. I think most of the aosp roms we have are ports with maybe compiled frameworks from source. Again that's just a guess.
But speaking of quietblongs... I wish he'd come back and make us a bad ass 2.1 aosp build.(a hint to quiet to build us another bare bones build)
I have a "generic" 2.1 AOSP build. The problem is getting the HTC vendor/oem stuff incorporated. I have tried following Cyanogen's lead with his "vendor overlay" in git, also borrowing from Lox's GSM hero stuff, but when I build it that way ((via "lunch htc_heroc-eng") I still end up needing to manually copy the proprietary files one-by one into build to get a resulting system.img. In other words, I'm missing a script that should do this during the build. Since nobody seems to be building for CDMA hero (I find directions for dream, magic, and nexus only), I basically don't trust my result enough to upload for others.
Building 2.1 as "generic-eng" is trivially easy, we could have a "nightly build" setup if we wanted. But getting the vendor stuff properly incorporated into the build (and having the build use these files to generate its source) is not a clear process to me yet. I'm learning but it takes time I don't always have.
On a side note, maybe someone could comment on whether a fresh build with the vendor stuff could/would solve ongoing issues like the camera or whether that is a 2.7/2.9 kernel issue that needs a backport.
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I have a "generic" 2.1 AOSP build. The problem is getting the HTC vendor/oem stuff incorporated. I have tried following Cyanogen's lead with his "vendor overlay" in git, also borrowing from Lox's GSM hero stuff, but when I build it that way ((via "lunch htc_heroc-eng") I still end up needing to manually copy the proprietary files one-by one into build to get a resulting system.img. In other words, I'm missing a script that should do this during the build. Since nobody seems to be building for CDMA hero (I find directions for dream and magic only), I basically don't trust my result enough to upload for others.
Building 2.1 as "generic-eng" is trivially easy, we could have a "nightly build" setup if we wanted. But getting the vendor stuff properly incorporated into the build (and having the build use these files to generate its source) is not a clear process to me yet. I'm learning but it takes time I don't always have.
On a side note, maybe someone could comment on whether a fresh build with the vendor stuff could/would solve ongoing issues like the camera or whether that is a 2.7/2.9 kernel issue that needs a backport.
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Yeah u will always need proprietary files to build aosp. That's what vendor is for. I've started gathering and trying to setup a community vendor for cdma heros. But just been to busy to finish. Will try soon though an put it on github for all to use.
But as for camera drivers and stuff like that. Ur gonna find that making libcamera build isn't gonna happen as of yet in 2.x aosp. Because it is broken as of the moment and doesn't make. The only solution to gettin camera into an aosp build is to use the libcamera and other camera libs from mine and Flipz HTC Rom. But even then ur gonna need a compatible kernel camera driver to work with it. As of now we haven't got that working fully. But also even once we get the driver working ur gonna have issues in aosp builds with camera as the gsm hero devs have found. As it stands now the aosp camera doesn't fully support our camera. Leaving them left with a 3m camera and I believe no video. It seems that HTC did some extra work in their camera.apk to finish up and give full support for our camera. The problem with that and aosp is like most HTC apks work in and with a HTC modified frameworks. So it goes deep into the framework.jar and many other frameworks files. I won't say it can't be hacked in some how but I will say it won't be easy. But if u manage to pull it of please share because a lot of devs have tried and haven't managed to pull it off as of yet.
Maybe you can point me in the right direction. Attached is my "vendor overlay" attempt. In the first case it's just Lox's stuff for hero with "heroc" in all the right places. The "extract" script is mine, modified by me given Cyanogen's nexus overlay example.
If you can create a git of a proper overlay, that would be great. Even if, as you say, it doesn't get us all the way to a working AOSP ROM.
Lox's language in his extract script is like Cyanogen's in his git repo, ie "who the hell knows if this is right, just guessing". So in that spirit, here is my attempt: a little experience mixed with vendor hatred mixed with voodoo
Feel free to correct me as you can, I would be grateful for a leg up from someone who has been at this longer.
P.S. I can't believe I had to "zip" up a tar.gz tarball to get it to attach to a dev forum (Invalid file). Man, I'm getting old.
P.S.S The included "kernel" file is a zImage I built from your toastcgh 2.7 sources in git. The wlan.ko was built against that...I should double-check that fact...
Ah well, maybe when they redo the forums here they'll think about bug tracking etc but I doubt it.
I did build my aosp rom from source, just built it using the gsm hero's vendor tree, made small adjustments to it for the heroc files. so yea, my rom is from google code to answer the OP's question.
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I did build my aosp rom from source, just built it using the gsm hero's vendor tree, made small adjustments to it for the heroc files. so yea, my rom is from google code to answer the OP's question.
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EDIT: OHH, I completely misread your thread title, I probably could use google code for my aosp rom to track bugs
darchstar said:
EDIT: OHH, I completely misread your thread title, I probably could use google code for my aosp rom to track bugs
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Right, I think we all misread it, I believe he was asking why we don't host our code somewhere, like Google Code, with a real bug tracking system, versioning controls, etc. He's got a great point, actually. It would be very nice to have a shared AOSP space, somewhere to see the files and track the issues and changes. ROM development based on AOSP could go on as usual on XDA with that base.
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Right, I think we all misread it, I believe he was asking why we don't host our code somewhere, like Google Code, with a real bug tracking system, versioning controls, etc. He's got a great point, actually. It would be very nice to have a shared AOSP space, somewhere to see the files and track the issues and changes. ROM development based on AOSP could go on as usual on XDA with that base.
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I got it
The issue is that Google Code won't allow you to host anything you don't have the right to distribute.
5tr4t4 said:
Right, I think we all misread it, I believe he was asking why we don't host our code somewhere, like Google Code, with a real bug tracking system, versioning controls, etc. He's got a great point, actually. It would be very nice to have a shared AOSP space, somewhere to see the files and track the issues and changes. ROM development based on AOSP could go on as usual on XDA with that base.
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It would minimize on duplicate bug reports at least.
jonnythan said:
I got it
The issue is that Google Code won't allow you to host anything you don't have the right to distribute.
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Understood, but the proprietary stuff can be pulled from the phone and/or from official releases for other HTC devices given the right script. That's why we need the vendor overlay.
I suppose the follow up question is, "why not just contribute to Android's AOSP core code in git, why create a forked AOSP repo?". That might be right, but we still need the overlay to pull the right files from the device. Perhaps taostcfh or quietblongs or darchstar already have this stuff ready and I'm just late to the game (probably ). Fine, I'd love to see that work so I can help out where possible.
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This OEM/vendor crap really sucks...should I just repeat what has been said everywhere (and knocked down for very sound business reasons): Google should have released Android under GPL.
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5tr4t4 said:
Right, I think we all misread it, I believe he was asking why we don't host our code somewhere, like Google Code, with a real bug tracking system, versioning controls, etc. He's got a great point, actually. It would be very nice to have a shared AOSP space, somewhere to see the files and track the issues and changes. ROM development based on AOSP could go on as usual on XDA with that base.
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Exactly, thanks.
What keeps one of us from leasing a server to share for our (XDA) own CVS, bug-tracking and compiling?
ffolkes said:
What keeps one of us from leasing a server to share for our (XDA) own CVS, bug-tracking and compiling?
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The fact that someone has to pay for it.
jonnythan said:
The fact that someone has to pay for it.
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I've got a server but I'm not too familar with CVS, if anyone wants to lend a hand...
ffolkes said:
I've got a server but I'm not too familar with CVS, if anyone wants to lend a hand...
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I have one too, but I would advocate for something more public, like git or sourceforge or Google Code, XDA, etc. You would want to make sure that you were gaining sharing capabilities and not just isolating yourself...either from upstream improvements or from other community stuff here and on other forums. A thousand people sharing is better than 10-20 people with a server, IMHO XDA has already proven that.
Plus, getting a development server going with all of the niceties of CVS et al is not easy...and there are ready-made solutions already available. None of this addresses jonnythan's point that some of this development is in legal limbo...what happens when someone , even by accident, pushes the google bits onto your public server?
...maybe you would get a cease and desist letter and become famous, LOL.
5tr4t4 said:
...maybe you would get a cease and desist letter and become famous, LOL.
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Someone needs to combine the power of a forum with the legal protection of a public download site and the bug tracking of google code.
Apparently, I'm too lazy to code that all myself
So I'm planning on putting this on the android market and I really don't know much about java. Yes I have a lot of free time to learn it but I'm trying to get this done faster than it takes me to learn the java language (not to say that I'm not going to learn the language any way ). I am looking for a partner/team to help me make it an app on the android market. There will be a free version of the application (for xda users of course) and a paid version so that us as a team can make a profit for all our hard work. I my vision for the app is to make it completely universal for all of android. I have the files and tweaks all set already set so that I can have tweaks for ALL of android OS's because I've been holding on to these for a while waiting to see if I could learn java fast enough to do it alone. The specifics of my vision are to make seperate sections in the UI of the app so that the user can choose a category and apply tweaks according to that category. If you are interested in helping me make this an app for all of android phones then please let me know here or through pm. Also we will be splitting the profits equally. So if there are 5 of us we split it 5 ways, 3 of us split it 3 ways and so on and so on. Also I plan on only charging $0.50 - $1.00 for the app. I don't think that is too bad of a price. Can't wait to get this show on the road because I've been holding back on so much and releasing it with the app (which will be huge as is) will be so much more awesome
Can't wait to get to work with the team.
- Kifno
Dude you could've just hit me up on gtalk! I'll give you all the info and let you gitter done on your own. Nobody should be making anything off the work you put in to this!
my signature is better than yours
Okay we'll chat on gtalk later And once I do get it in apk format and on the market, I'm going to give you a big donation for helping me do this
Lol I don't do donations bro. This is fun. Once you start getting paid for it, it's not fun anymore! The whole idea behind xda (as I understand it) is to share information and have fun with what we do. That's why I've been defending your work since day one. I can tell how much fun you have doing this. I'll help as much as I can bro. Just make sure you come with me to the evo 3d when it drops!
my signature is better than yours
abadasstanker69 said:
Lol I don't do donations bro. This is fun. Once you start getting paid for it, it's not fun anymore! The whole idea behind xda (as I understand it) is to share information and have fun with what we do. That's why I've been defending your work since day one. I can tell how much fun you have doing this. I'll help as much as I can bro. Just make sure you come with me to the evo 3d when it drops!
my signature is better than yours
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That's a great attitude brother, +1. And,
My MOS is better than yours.....(Scouts Out)
Suck it.....LOL
abadasstanker69 said:
Lol I don't do donations bro. This is fun. Once you start getting paid for it, it's not fun anymore! The whole idea behind xda (as I understand it) is to share information and have fun with what we do. That's why I've been defending your work since day one. I can tell how much fun you have doing this. I'll help as much as I can bro. Just make sure you come with me to the evo 3d when it drops!
my signature is better than yours
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I was planning on the Epic 4G (mostly because I don't have the funds to get the Evo 3D). But I'll just stay on the HeroC longer until I have enough to get it so that I can be in the same sub-forum as you buddy And time to get started I'll email you right now if you are not online on gmail. And yes I have A LOT of fun developing. I get a huge smile on my face whenever I do something even better for our herocs
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So I'm planning on putting this on the android market and I really don't know much about java. Yes I have a lot of free time to learn it but I'm trying to get this done faster than it takes me to learn the java language (not to say that I'm not going to learn the language any way ). I am looking for a partner/team to help me make it an app on the android market. There will be a free version of the application (for xda users of course) and a paid version so that us as a team can make a profit for all our hard work. I my vision for the app is to make it completely universal for all of android. I have the files and tweaks all set already set so that I can have tweaks for ALL of android OS's because I've been holding on to these for a while waiting to see if I could learn java fast enough to do it alone. The specifics of my vision are to make seperate sections in the UI of the app so that the user can choose a category and apply tweaks according to that category. If you are interested in helping me make this an app for all of android phones then please let me know here or through pm. Also we will be splitting the profits equally. So if there are 5 of us we split it 5 ways, 3 of us split it 3 ways and so on and so on. Also I plan on only charging $0.50 - $1.00 for the app. I don't think that is too bad of a price. Can't wait to get this show on the road because I've been holding back on so much and releasing it with the app (which will be huge as is) will be so much more awesome
Can't wait to get to work with the team.
- Kifno
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Are you going to continue to use my code (and others' code) in your app? I'm only asking because just yesterday, I asked pretty much the same question you just asked today-- we're working on essentially the same project, however, I developed all of my code from scratch. If my battery tweak is going to be used commercially, I'd like to have some say in it-- and I'm pretty much in the same boat you are from a java development perspective. It could be a major coincidence, but it just made the same request in the board and it got me wondering what was up.
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Are you going to continue to use my code (and others' code) in your app? I'm only asking because just yesterday, I asked pretty much the same question you just asked today-- we're working on essentially the same project, however, I developed all of my code from scratch. If my battery tweak is going to be used commercially, I'd like to have some say in it-- and I'm pretty much in the same boat you are from a java development perspective. It could be a major coincidence, but it just made the same request in the board and it got me wondering what was up.
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The only code I used from other's was your code that determined the power source ( i have another 2 other methods of finding the power source if you don't want me to use your code). I developed all of my tweaks from scratch too as of i think v1.2 when I kicked out all other's tweaks that I just copied, pasted, and credited them. I wanted this to be my own work (besides the fact that i used your power source detecting code). But if you want you and I could team up on the app if you'd like. I used your power source code to make a setcpu replacement. Only thing is, is that I never studied user interfaces in bash scripting so i don't know how to give the user a choice as to what value they'd like certain profiles to be. I see you know how to do that in your script. I was going to look at how you did it and just remix it for my script but i'm going to come up with my own menu from scratch but this menu will be the app's menu and not a bash script menu and it won't be like yours, this is all kifno . But yeah other than your power source detecting code, which is pretty much the simplest way to find power source I just couldn't see it in root explorer when I didn't have access to a computer with adb shell for a while:
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power=` cat /sys/class/power_source/battery/charging_source `
this is all kifno's work that i spent hours testing the new values and of the tweaks i came up with.
EDIT: also i've been talking about making this into an app for a long time so yeah it is just a coincidence. I just decided that I wouldn't be able to do it alone because I don't have the knowledge to do so alone....right now
EDIT 2: Also if you don't want me to use your power source detecting code I have another simple method of doing so, it just doesn't show usb charging. This is what I will use if you don't want me using your code that you use.
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power_source=` cat /sys/class/power_supply/battery/status `
Then I will just revamp my tweak so that is is optimial for charging and not charging rather than optimal tweaks for usb charging, ac charging, and battery power. So no biggie if you don't want me to use your code because I had many other ways of determing it as well. also if you'd like to team up with me and my team of people who are going to help make my script an app i'd be glad to join forces to make one AWESOME app that will potentially be a MUST HAVE for the heroc. collin_ph batt tweak + kifno tweaks = YOUR HERO HAS JUST GAINED SUPER POWERS!!!!!
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The only code I used from other's was your code that determined the power source ( i have another 2 other methods of finding the power source if you don't want me to use your code).
But yeah other than your power source detecting code, which is pretty much the simplest way to find power source I just couldn't see it in root explorer when I didn't have access to a computer with adb shell for a while:
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power=` cat /sys/class/power_source/battery/charging_source `
this is all kifno's work that i spent hours testing the new values and of the tweaks i came up with.
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You're... you're really serious? You're completely ignoring the fact that you so sloppily copied his code that you ended up leaving his name in the source?
You also copied verbatim the files from [MOD]Custom DNS Servers (etc/ppp/ip-down and etc/ppp/ip-up).
You even copied the etc/init.d/20userinit file from the collin_ph zip. The one that has NOTHING to do with the code you're using. The one that's an OUTDATED copy of the one that already comes with CyanogenMod. Did you realize that by overwriting the one in CM7 with yours, you have effectively REMOVED a feature from CyanogenMod? Between version 6 and 7, this file was updated to support user init scripts both in /sd-ext AND /data. But you wouldn't have included this file if you had ANY idea what it was really doing.
I'm still trying to figure out why you even copied it. There isn't a single thing in your script or collin_ph's script that depends on using it. But it's an obvious indication that you copied more than you would like to admit. And now you say you want to make this into a for-profit app? That's just plain insulting to the nature of XDA.
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You're... you're really serious? You're completely ignoring the fact that you so sloppily copied his code that you ended up leaving his name in the source?
KIFNO: I wasn't trying to hide the fact that I did use his code. What's to hide? I have nothing to lie about.
You also copied verbatim the files from [MOD]Custom DNS Servers (etc/ppp/ip-down and etc/ppp/ip-up).
KIFNO: Those actually don't work lol. I just left them there from when I was using those in my personal v1.5 test builds. Would you like me to show you dated screenshots of all the test builds I have? That doesn't work. But I know another simple method to use custom dns servers on the heroc that will be in the app. So this is again, nothing to hide and actually if you look at the tweak I added my way of using the dns server in the 98kiftweaks file
You even copied the etc/init.d/20userinit file from the collin_ph zip. The one that has NOTHING to do with the code you're using. The one that's an OUTDATED copy of the one that already comes with CyanogenMod. Did you realize that by overwriting the one in CM7 with yours, you have effectively REMOVED a feature from CyanogenMod? Between version 6 and 7, this file was updated to support user init scripts both in /sd-ext AND /data. But you wouldn't have included this file if you had ANY idea what it was really doing.
KIFNO: I do know what I'm doing JM. You just don't THINK I know what I'm doing. And to be honest you do know somethings I don't know at times and I commend you on catching me on my mistakes at times I don't catch them before you do. But "hiding" evidence that I used other's work isn't something I need to be caught on because I tell people when I'm using another's work. So what's to hide when I'm being honest. And again v1.5 stable wasn't cleanly put together. And like I said nothing to hide I said I used some of collin_ph's stuff like a 100x in the kifno script thread if you were reading my post when I was releasing those TERRIBLE versions of v1.3-v1.5 test. So yeah nothing to hide and I know that already JM. Like I said v1.5 stable was sloppily thrown together and I didn't clean it up because I got so excited about releasing my kifCPU which I finally got to work. And that 20userinit file is something that again I knew didn't work/was useless for my script.
I'm still trying to figure out why you even copied it. There isn't a single thing in your script or collin_ph's script that depends on using it. But it's an obvious indication that you copied more than you would like to admit. And now you say you want to make this into a for-profit app? That's just plain insulting to the nature of XDA.
KIFNO: Jason, jason, jason. When I copied it, I never meant to use it When I opened collin_ph's script merged my v1.5 test folders with his folders and deleted what all I didn't need from his script's zip. Or at least I thougth I did because I left the 20userinit file in there. Also I have nothing to hide, in fact I'm typing up a documentation of what all my tweaks do right now! And also when describing something I used that I got from another person (collin_ph's power source bash code line which I posted above which I gave an example of one of my alternatives) I am crediting them and explaining what it does in their script and why I am using it for my script. And okay since using another's power source code is insulting since I want to make this a freeware/for-profit app, I just will go about doing all the things I needed from others (collin_ph's power source) my own way with the many backup methods of getting it done by getting rid of EVERY thing i've bored from other's and using my alternative methods of doing so for a certain tweak I have's purpose. Oh and jason, I have a question, kind of off subject but I've been urging to know, where did you learn java? I know where you learned about android (many documentations of the operating system because I notice you know a lot about what file does what in the system and how files connect to others).
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Oh and the kifno method only way of doing things aka v1.6 will be released tomorrow along with the documentation that explains in my opinion/to my knowledge of what my tweaks are doing. And every other version I have that is online (because they contain other's way of doing things that i used for my tweaks purpose) will be deleted from the internet. I dont' want to insult xda. I'm just trying to help our heros be better
But back on topic though I have 1 person that has offered to help me in the process of making this an app. If any other's want to help me that'd be awesome.
And also if you do offer to help me i have a lot of files to send you that has everything i've been holding back from the script that i wanted to wait to release in the app version (so that everyone can really see true awesome-ness/why i love our hero )
and here we go again same **** different day
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You just keep changing your story over and over again. You didn't add the line to credit collin_ph until after I pointed out his name in the script. And earlier in this thread, you said all you copied from him was one line of text, but now you say you merged the two together? You're insulting our intelligence.
And then you say the DNS stuff doesn't work and was left in? Just because your copying-and-pasting didn't work doesn't mean you didn't copy it.
Closing thread until I get word from Senior.
Important: The docs are up. The live copy can be found on http://docs.insertcoin-roms.org/ and the Git repository on https://github.com/Manko10/InsertCoin-Docs/. For information on how to participate, see the wiki.
Hi,
This thread is related to the InsertCoin ROM by baadnewz (see this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1198684). Since I haven't written 10 postings yet, I can't post to that thread nor create a new one in that forum.
InsertCoin has become a quite popular ROM for the HTC Sensation. It has had 200,000 downloads yet and numbers still raise. With increasing popularity it becomes more and more difficult to get hold of information you need concerning installation, problems, modification, tweaking etc. The result is a very high number of redundant questions on the forums and confused newcomers.
The project
Thus being said, it is time to create a good and centralized knowledgebase which helps new users to dive straight into using InsertCoin, keeps the development thread cleaner and helps to push the project forward since energy can be focused more on implementing new features and fixing bugs than on answering the same questions all over again.
baadnewz attempted to launch a Wiki once, but it ceased and shut down (as well as the whole baadnewz.eu server which was the last more or less valuable resource for help outside XDA-Developers.com).
Now my idea is to create a new official InsertCoin documentation project. I talked to baadnewz and he assured it would be promoted and integrated into the official website once it comes to life. The project I'm heading for is a community-driven one. I would work for it as much as I can but I can't do it alone. I'm not experienced enough in many (especially technical areas) of InsertCoin development and Android development in general. There are many things to learn about InsertCoin. And to be honest: I also don't have the time to write all the stuff by myself. Once I had written everything, it would already be outdated. So this project is only possible if other people participate actively.
How shall the documentation be implemented?
I thought of a project hosted on GitHub. Users can fork the project, make changes and send pull requests. For infrequent submissions, we could also provide a special submission form.
A staging server would then pull the HEAD revision regularly, format it and publish it as a website.
Sounds complicated? But it isn't. Git is pretty much straightforward and also users without technical knowledge can learn it very quickly (yes, there are great graphical tools for it). And of course, the documentation would also include a noob-proof guide to contribution.
But why Git? Why not a Wiki?
A Wiki might seem to be easier, but in fact a Wiki has to be updated regularly. Patches for bugs and security holes have to be applied. Additionally, we had to fight spam. Especially when we use some well known software such as MediaWiki, spam bots would love it. That can be a lot of work.
But the main reason is portability. A Wiki is a Wiki, nothing more. Exporting the contents into other formats would be a tedious process. However, when using plain text files with a simple markup language such as Markdown, they can be exported to all formats we like. Not only can the staging server parse it to HTML, but it can also be exported to PDF, CHM files (does anybody still use these?) and many more formats.
All right, but what is to be documented?
Well, a lot. Things I have though of are
Installation
Where to get InsertCoin ROM?
Which version?
How to flash InsertCoin?
How to upgrade from previous versions?
To wipe or not to wipe (and when)?
Kernels
Which Kernels are there?
Where to get them?
What are the differences?
Advantages/disadvantages of specific Kernels
How to install a new Kernel/revert to stock?
What is a Kernel and why can't I install it via the Market? (dumb question, yes, but important to know)
Known problems
Any reported bugs still present in version X?
How do I report my own bugs?
Why does feature Y not work (and never will)?
Features
Why to choose InsertCoin?
How to submit feature requests?
Requirements
What do I need to run InsertCoin?
Which baseband version do I need?
Where do I get a new baseband version and which one to choose?
Does it work on device X, too?
Which is the oldest supported version for custom kernels?
Add-ons
Which add-ons are there?
Where to get them?
How to flash them?
What to be aware of?
How to get rid of malfunctioning add-ons?
Customization
Which themes are there?
How do I install them?
How do I revert back to the default theme?
How to set up custom boot splash and boot animation?
FAQ
Things users ask all the time
Things users might ask regularly in the future
Milestones
Any planned features for future releases?
How many ROMs to release tomorrow?
Participation
How to submit patches?
How to improve the documentation?
How to pay a round for baad?
General information
What else could be valuable information?
How do I backup and restore my data most efficiently and least time consuming for upgrades which force a full wipe?
etc.
The list goes on. It's up to us how much it'll grow. Make suggestions please. Don't hesitate!
And now you come into play!
Do you think, such a project could become a success? Do you have suggestions, ideas, criticism? Post it here. Please.
Would you like to contribute? Post an answer. You would be one of the glorious pioneers.
If I get enough positive feedback and support by people who want to contribute I will start working on the base system, set up the Git repository, write the staging software and launch the project. If not, it would have been at least worth the effort. But you would contribute and give something back to the community, wouldn't you? Sure, indeed...! ;-)
Cheers
Manko10
Do you think, such a project could become a success? Do you have suggestions, ideas, criticism? Post it here. Please.
Would you like to contribute? Post an answer. You would be one of the glorious pioneers.
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of course it'll succeed cause it'll be much easier with plain updated steps (n00b proof )
I would like to contribute if u may allow
THIS IS AWESOME
Of course you can contribute. Everyone is pretty much welcome to do that.
For Baad and InsertCoin itself, I think it would be a perfect success. I myself have been looking for a central resource database for InsertCoin, but always resort to just searching the thread, which is not exactly the most efficient method.
I don't know much on the technical ROM-based side of things, but I am a web developer, so I'm sure I'd be able to help in the deployment of such a website. I also happen to have a vBulletin license I'm not using. If Baad wants to expand his ideas even further and have a sort of official InsertCoin forum, all to himself, I could most definitely lend a hand for that.
I'm thinking large scale here; and upon writing this, further ideas have just popped into my head, but I'll save that for later, but hey, Baad is largely-awesome.
If you happen to have an MSN or Skype, Manko, I'd love to talk to you further
i have a better idea for talking / chatting in a more centralized way: IRC
#baadnwz-roms on freenode
I don't know much on the technical ROM-based side of things, but I am a web developer
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So am I.
I'm quite sure, baad will help us as good as he can but he is of course very busy with the ROMS. So it's better to have many guys in the project who know more about the technical stuff.
I would try to help too, if You like. If You don't need IC pro's only
We need everyone (IC pros are needed, but not only).
First of all we need people who have fun writing and maintaining (!) good and understandable documentation.
Guys
if you do this - it will be bloody FANTASTIC!
noobproof guide needed badly
Make it so. Sounds like it could become a great resource.
It will, but only if enough people participate.
why not add chatbox on the coming site, isnt much better? 24/7 we can have conversation as like me, am from the philippines, and my time is different to others
Well, the documentation would also be there 24/7. I think for live talking we should better use IRC (#baadnwz-roms on irc.freenode.net). Embedded chats on websites consume a lot of bandwidth.
lol!, i guess so, yeah, maybe irc is much better. anyways, maybe i can contribute some design for future use.
Just jeep in mind that IC is also made by baadnewz for the Desire (and the wildfire too?). I'd like to write some things for the Desire version of IC.
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Just jeep in mind that IC is also made by baadnewz for the Desire (and the wildfire too?). I'd like to write some things for the Desire version of IC.
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yes once the project starts, desire will be there too
for wf i made 2 roms long time ago, and then i sold the phone
Ill contribute if i can I love this rom
wow... this sounds freaking awsome. i would most definately help with coding once the repositories are set up ^_^
I think it would be really beneficial for everyone especially for the folks who are new to the ROM. 600+ pages of comments are a LOT to read through!
Make it so. (with Jean Luc Picard's Voice ) Nice idea.
Would like to contribute sth, though I have a really tight schedule lately...
So i have managed to build cm12 for the OPO it boots and works great, few issues here and there, but perfectly usable.
I have got to grips with the build process and thats all well and good, but i want to take it further. I just dont have the knowledge to do this. My goal is to create my own custom rom based off cm12 but with my own style to it, I intend to keep it personal for now but if I think its good enough i would make it public, but could never dedicate the time to update as much as people seem to demand.
Anyway I need help with almost everything. Do i need to fork CM12 to my own git account so i can modify it, and sync from that?
If i make changes to my source on my laptop and would like to update to incorporate the latest cm12 changes will a repo sync overwrite my changes?
How do i add other customizations i like from other custom roms?
There are so many things I need to learn and i find it hard to understand or find guides for these things. It seems you need prior knowledge to understand it. So what I need is someone to 'hold my hand' through these process's. So if there is anyone out there willing to answer questions from and offer a bit of time to help me i'd really appreciate it. I am in no rush though so i wouldn't be to pushy.