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hi!
I just got a XDA Orbit 2 ( HTC Touch). Now im looking for an appLauncher like tdLaunch. I want Icons on the desktop on which I simply press the stylus and the according app starts... Just like the quick launch bar in windows...
Should be freeware
Thanks
AO
You ought to look at the tray launch feature in BatteryStatus. That's what I use for my today launcher. And the popup launcher in WkTask is fantastic as a launcher over other programs. Both of those are free and you can find them on this board.
yeahh... well thtas all too much gadgets... I got batti which is very small in size on the display and gives a full overview over my battery status...
All I need are little icons on my PPC Desktop without no frills...
Thx anyway!
AO
http://pocketpcfreewares.com/en/index.php?soft=808
free and dont eat much mem
try this, just adds small icons to your today screen...
"Launcher is a Today screen add-on for PocketPC's. It adds an icon bar, much like Windows's Quick Launch bar. You can place as many applications (screen space permitting) to it's list as you wish simply by copying link files into the Launcher folder, and launch the applications with one tap."
http://www.scottandmichelle.net/scott/cestuff.html
Not a desktop thing, but Mort has MortButtons 2.5. Check that out maybe.
Ragart said:
Not a desktop thing, but Mort has MortButtons 2.5. Check that out maybe.
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The current beta also includes a small today plugin to launch the menus from today screen. (And transition animations for submenus and finger gestures, similar to the HTC cube. There's a cube animation, too, but not as default because I'm afraid slow devices won't show it properly.)
Apart from that, I'd recommend cLaunch or maybe rlToday, if you want more freedom but also more complicated setup (XML file).
man Mort you freakin rock!!!
Thank you so so much for your cool appz o' course i got Buttons n Player installed... gonna check out that new version you talked about...
cLaunch dont seem to work properly on my touch though, but installed the before mentioned launcher and thats ok for me.
again... THANK YOU MORT FOR YOUR GREAT WORK !!!
AO
UPDATE 06/23/08
I'm having some issues with a few things. As usual, time is amongst them. In any case, the LZX version is just too slow for my taste... but maybe it's because I've been using a small pagepool with it.
In any case, attached is a teaser. It's the today screen that I've been waiting for.
As far as bugs go:
LZX version: Will not display the proper XIP version. I had a problem with the LZX compression and had to use one of Aserg's LZX ROMs as a skeleton on to which to graft the ROM. This worked but introducted this issue. I'm assuming that it's an issue with the cecompr.dll used and that Aserg had hex edited the XIP number unto the imgfs.bin.
All the "full versions" That today screen is not Landscape compatible so you will not see it properly when in landscape mode and in the today screen. Also, the background interferes with the start menu's functionality. I'm working to fix that now, though. Although, it's time for sleep...
Hey guys. Just messing around with a possible full ROM (as supposed to my usual stripped ROMs.) For now, it's based on the Diamond ROM.
It has the following so far:
Arcsoft 4 (I'm having some problems with 5... my MMS stopped working, even though they work with Just2Clean.)
Custom looking HTC Home 2.1 with proxy patch for those who use it on Tmobile's network - This is changing into something else... You'll see it when the author posts it.
Big start menu icons
Big X-Button Icons
black calculator - (My ROM users know I don't ever include calculators. lol)
PocketXpdf
TMPCP
Office 6.1 + OneNote
PHM RegEdit
Advanced Config
Audio Manager
Battery Status - This will be PART of the today screen...)
Esmertec Jbed + OperaMini 4.1 (4.1 was not buggy, the newer Esmertec I was using with it was. This is a stable version.)
HTCAlbum
Internet Sharing
TotalCommander (newest version I believe)
VoiceNotes (something else I tend to remove... I'm not sure if I'll keep it...)
NETCF v3.5
RandomAccess
Oxios Hibernate/CloseApp
This will come in 4 flavors at first.
1. Standard JustMe
2. LZX JustMe - A little slower, but with much more space due to the LZX compression.*
3. A UPX'ed version - Adds a little more speed and storage, but not as much as LZX.
4. A Just2Clean variant with LZX compression. Basically, the 70MB free one.
I MIGHT add a 5th version, a 'la Ttran's biggy if people tell me what they want in it.
*LZX compression is giving me a strange bug that causes the wrong WinCE version to show under the about tab.
The list looks good ivan... only things i wouldn't like would be Total Commander and PHM Regedit, since i use the excellent Resco File explorer which includes both functionalities in 1 app
Btw... speed & Voice dialing would be nice to be included ??
Thanks again for your hard work!
moullas said:
The list looks good ivan... only things i wouldn't like would be Total Commander and PHM Regedit, since i use the excellent Resco File explorer which includes both functionalities in 1 app
Btw... speed & Voice dialing would be nice to be included ??
Thanks again for your hard work!
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Speed & Voice dialing - Agreed
TotalCommander can also edit the registry, but I prefer using PHM Regedit. Resco is great, I agree, but it's not free, so I can't cook it in. I might make a version like this, though... might.
Your ROM looks very interesting may I suggest adding HTC RandomAccess to your ROM to make it handier browsing through the contacts.
Estimated time of release?
i would use this , i agree with gambit, too... icontact or something for contact browsing would be nice. other than that, it seems to meet all my necessary apps, nothing more, nothing less.
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Your ROM looks very interesting may I suggest adding HTC RandomAccess to your ROM to make it handier browsing through the contacts.
Estimated time of release?
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Oh I forgot to mention that was added, too. lol
EDIT: OK... the letter images that appear in the center for randomaccess are broken, so I'm gonna have to fix that, too... Thanks for reminding me, though, or I would have never caught that.
EDIT2:
Estimated time: Whenever I get to it. I'm a perfectionist, and I tend to have too many projects going on at once... plus I rarely have time to mess around with things... and I'm very disorganized... sooooo.... soon. lol
I have a working version that I may be able to fix by tonight... So sooner than I even thought maybe...
Which reminds me... I have to update my signature. Make it J2C, J2S and kitchen and maybe a bigger donate button.
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Oh I forgot to mention that was added, too. lol
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Okay, good to know now I can go to bed and wait for the release
Out on a limb
I know HTC Home is kind of a standard for Today Screen, and I used it for a while.....but, I'm kind of liking the functions of BS. It doesn't take as much power or space and I can configure it with a little HTML.
I started using it shortly after flashing J2C and really like the space. Plus I have more space on the SD for music, since I'm not using HHC now. Just a thought. I sent a screen shot of my modified Aurora theme. I'm running BS with rlToday for the clock, Weather panel, both integrated in BS, and "BS Home" for the bottom buttons.
I also like Network Folders cooked in (runs smoother).
Does TCPMP include plug-ins?
That's my two cents ........
wm5torage
perhaps a program that most people don't use...but it does benefit me personally, since it lets me use the phone as a removable usb drive at work...where I can't install activesync...so that i can transfer files as need be...and occasionally use portableapps, like portable firefox through the removable drive...since the work network won't allow users to install software on the computer.
wm5torage is a fairly small program, so it shouldn't take up too much room...
PIM Backup
for those that might flash every so often, but don't connect to outlook to sync, PIM Backup is a great way to backup contacts, sms', and calendar info...
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I know HTC Home is kind of a standard for Today Screen, and I used it for a while.....but, I'm kind of liking the functions of BS. It doesn't take as much power or space and I can configure it with a little HTML.
I started using it shortly after flashing J2C and really like the space. Plus I have more space on the SD for music, since I'm not using HHC now. Just a thought. I sent a screen shot of my modified Aurora theme. I'm running BS with rlToday for the clock, Weather panel, both integrated in BS, and "BS Home" for the bottom buttons.
I also like Network Folders cooked in (runs smoother).
Does TCPMP include plug-ins?
That's my two cents ........
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Actually, I'd be ALL for it if you can provide me with the needed files. I've been looking for something like this, and although I'm good at making things work, I'm not good at making them look pretty. ^_^
Is the weather panel proxy compatible?
If it is, this will be great!
Network Folders?
As far as the plugins, it will. The version I have on it right now is a place holder until I can find a more decent package, though.
monkey_knight said:
perhaps a program that most people don't use...but it does benefit me personally, since it lets me use the phone as a removable usb drive at work...where I can't install activesync...so that i can transfer files as need be...and occasionally use portableapps, like portable firefox through the removable drive...since the work network won't allow users to install software on the computer.
wm5torage is a fairly small program, so it shouldn't take up too much room...
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wm5torage is a good program... I might include it.
monkey_knight said:
for those that might flash every so often, but don't connect to outlook to sync, PIM Backup is a great way to backup contacts, sms', and calendar info...
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I back up everything through an exchange server, so normally I wouldn't use PIM backup... I might add it depending on the size of the program.
@ batterystatus = of course best APP ever...still don´t understand why people use HTC HOME
@ wm5torage great aspp for using device AS USB massstorage on my autoradio with usb-support
@pimbackup...why to include...just put pimbackup.exe on SDcard...and run manually from tim to time...
Just my 2 cents
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Actually, I'd be ALL for it if you can provide me with the needed files. I've been looking for something like this, and although I'm good at making things work, I'm not good at making them look pretty. ^_^
Is the weather panel proxy compatible?
If it is, this will be great!
Network Folders?
As far as the plugins, it will. The version I have on it right now is a place holder until I can find a more decent package, though.
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All I have are the cab files. I've been reading a lot of the post in the Prophet forum for BS themes. prscott1 has quite a few different themes up and knows this a lot better than I do.
I'm sorry I misspoke earlier, I did mean networkplugin; HTC or Schaps. They both seem to work fine. Schaps is just 5K smaller as a cab.
This is where I got most of it. I just use weather panel in place of using UL as a plugin. I really can't take credit for someone else's work. I did a little rewriting of the HTML for the bottom buttons though.
Weather Panel does have an option for proxy settings.
Just what you need....another project.
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@ batterystatus = of course best APP ever...still don´t understand why people use HTC HOME
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It's easy, and compared to what you get with a stock ROM it's the next best thing to sliced bread. Battery Status bakes, slices, and toasts the bread.
papamopps said:
@ batterystatus = of course best APP ever...still don´t understand why people use HTC HOME
@ wm5torage great aspp for using device AS USB massstorage on my autoradio with usb-support
@pimbackup...why to include...just put pimbackup.exe on SDcard...and run manually from tim to time...
Just my 2 cents
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HTC home is easier to setup and it's buttons are big enough for my fingers... but if you want to help me setup a working HTC clone with batterystatus that does what I need it to do and has big buttons, by all means, tell me.
ivanmmj said:
HTC home is easier to setup and it's buttons are big enough for my fingers... but if you want to help me setup a working HTC clone with batterystatus that does what I need it to do and has big buttons, by all means, tell me.
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This is the HTCHome BS theme. It's the same theme I'm running on my previous post just different lines showing. The message buttons are included and can be changed just by tap and hold on them.
I've attached the latest BS and the HTCHome theme, the HTCHopmeskin and the XML file are placed in the BS folder and the HTC Home files are placed in the \windows dir. It basically is editing the XML file to point to the progs you want to use. most of it is set for you. The on thing is the weather tab and the prog tab. I've seen a few setups with UL and as you can see I have it as an option in my setup.
Hope this helps. Keep up the excellent work.
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This is the HTCHome BS theme. It's the same theme I'm running on my previous post just different lines showing. The message buttons are included and can be changed just by tap and hold on them.
I've attached the latest BS and the HTCHome theme, the HTCHopmeskin and the XML file are placed in the BS folder and the HTC Home files are placed in the \windows dir. It basically is editing the XML file to point to the progs you want to use. most of it is set for you. The on thing is the weather tab and the prog tab. I've seen a few setups with UL and as you can see I have it as an option in my setup.
Hope this helps. Keep up the excellent work.
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I used that theme for a while, and I really like it. Using BS for themes is a bit easier, assuming you know how to edit the .xml theme. I second using BS instead of HTCHome, more customization.
Looks, maybe I will use it when it is released Still no success with the kitchen and your j2c files
I would trash this:
Custom looking HTC Home 2.1 with proxy patch for those who use it on Tmobile's network
black calculator - (My ROM users know I don't ever include calculators. lol)
PHM RegEdit
Audio Manager
Remote Desktop (I MIGHT remove this one...)
TotalCommander newest version I believe
VoiceNotes (something else I tend to remove... I'm not sure if I'll keep it...)
RandomAccess
ooops...
ivanmmj said:
Hey guys. Just messing around with a possible full ROM (as supposed to my usual stripped ROMs.) For now, it's based on the Diamond ROM.
It has the following so far:
Arcsoft 5
Custom looking HTC Home 2.1 with proxy patch for those who use it on Tmobile's network
Big start menu icons
Big X-Button Icons
black calculator - (My ROM users know I don't ever include calculators. lol)
PocketXpdf
TMPCP
Office 6.1 + OneNote
PHM RegEdit
Advanced Config
Audio Manager
Battery Status
Esmertec Jbed + OperaMini 4.0 (4.1 is buggy to me...)
HTCAlbum
Internet Sharing
Remote Desktop (I MIGHT remove this one...)
TotalCommander newest version I believe
VoiceNotes (something else I tend to remove... I'm not sure if I'll keep it...)
NETCF v3.5
RandomAccess
That's the list so far since I'm at work and can't mess around with it. As you can see it's a semi stripped ROM. No games, but things that I use on a daily basis have been added. All this and you still get 50MB+ of storage free. This is mostly a "I use it, it goes into the ROM" kind of ROM so far, but let me know what you'd like to go into it and you think should be removed and I'll think about making those changes happen. Remember, it depends on whether I also believe it's a useful app or not.
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sounds like an incredible ROM! I am more of a BatteryStatus / Mortscript fan than I am of HTC Home, but I do like the touchflo scrolling. I would still enjoy trying your stuffed ROM. there are soo many great BS themes available now - some imitations of WM7, iphone, etc. I have added Ultimate launch recently (mainly for apps launching) so I have a BS/UL combo that is driving my latest themes. I'll post some screen shots when I have a chance (at work now) to see if anyone is interested.
Edit: I'm uploading a few screenshots of my latest (and colorful) BS theme that has UL, todayagenda, searchtoday and RSSNews integrated within.
first, second and third screenshots are the clock page with various rows showing.
fourth, fifth and sixth screenshots show some of my UL sides and cube in action.
I've been in a colorful mood lately.
The only thing I would require out of a BS theme would be the message indicators which I use quite heavily. I know that pappamopps uses them, so maybe he can add them to this BS theme being as nice as he is.
I'm on for this too if you remove remote desktop cuz I think it's useless! I would keep the voice notes though since it's kinda funny sometimtes to record sth with the phone...I'm exactly searching for something like this with the newest build since I have most of the apps in a folder called cabs on my wing Cuz in my opinion everyone needs different progs but this sounds like a good base to build a customized ROM on!
Any tips for some simple and whats important fast today screen replacement with some launcher function? Something intuitive like touchflo, from which I use only home/sms/launcher and maybe calendar (but its not really important).
Tried Manila (eats resources like ...), SPB Mobile Shell, WAMD, Inesoft Phone - all of them seems to me bit overstuffed with unneeded stuff, effects and so on. Liked ThrottleLauncher, but its slow and choppy on my X1.
I would like to have something like iContacts style app for desktop. Fast, nice and simple gfx, finger friendly...is it just hard to find? Or there is no such app at all?
Have you tried the basic HTC Homeplug? It takes just half the screen and handles weather, calls, music, progs, people, comm. You can get rid of a couple of tabs if you want too. I ran schaps HTC Homeplug with the stock today screen calendar program for a looong time and it did everything I needed.
Yeah HTC Home plugin, one of the best today plugins. Tried Manila2d but I still switch back to HTC Homeplug..
Any tips how to instal Home Plug to X1 with WVGA?
Tried one from this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=344533 but gfx is messed up and all icons are so small...
I use Ultimate Launch and Love it - It would do everything you want - And supports plugins - Unfortnately I don't know how it would look or even run on your x1
Hi,
I've been using my HTC Touch2 for a while now.
I decided to turn of the TouchFLO homescreen as it seems to use a lot of my free memory. I use a customized (used Home Screen Customizer - free from the marketplace) , default WM6.5 home screen now. It makes it faster ^^
The indicator raised from 45% to 70% in a day with all apps closed...
But TouchFLO also had a nice additional feature - all 'dropdown menu's ' or whatever you'd call it on a phone became way more touch friendly. (Those that open when holding your finger in file explorer for example, or when you click file in pocket word)
Is there a way to enable these menu's without enabling touchFLO?
I also prefer the HTC settings panels, that were only accessible from the TouchFLO home screen. I already found the sound settings (htcsoundsettings.exe) but I wonder if anyone knows more .exe files - for selecting backgrounds etc. Or a list of all files in the windows folder by default - it takes ages to load, when sorting is accidently set to 'File type' it takes like 15 minutes sometimes...
Also I'd like to add links to the settings menu of the start menu but so far I've only been able to add icons to the start menu or other subfolders and not the settings one
Thanks in advance,
JSO
Have you tried M2DCustomizer? If you mean saving up battery u might wana try custom roms
No, thank you for the link I'm sure it will help me.
But it didn't really help me out with my question - can I keep just the dropdown menu's without anabling TouchFLO/Manila2D from the Home Screen settings...
MrJSO said:
Hi,
I've been using my HTC Touch2 for a while now.
I decided to turn of the TouchFLO homescreen as it seems to use a lot of my free memory. I use a customized (used Home Screen Customizer - free from the marketplace) , default WM6.5 home screen now. It makes it faster ^^
The indicator raised from 45% to 70% in a day with all apps closed...
But TouchFLO also had a nice additional feature - all 'dropdown menu's ' or whatever you'd call it on a phone became way more touch friendly. (Those that open when holding your finger in file explorer for example, or when you click file in pocket word)
Is there a way to enable these menu's without enabling touchFLO?
I also prefer the HTC settings panels, that were only accessible from the TouchFLO home screen. I already found the sound settings (htcsoundsettings.exe) but I wonder if anyone knows more .exe files - for selecting backgrounds etc. Or a list of all files in the windows folder by default - it takes ages to load, when sorting is accidently set to 'File type' it takes like 15 minutes sometimes...
Also I'd like to add links to the settings menu of the start menu but so far I've only been able to add icons to the start menu or other subfolders and not the settings one
Thanks in advance,
JSO
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Hello, having read your message hope I understand well. You want a combination of features but foremost a lot of free Ram. Touch flow takes if I am correct 8-12Mb which your device should be able to handle.
This tweak will help you with Ram consumption aswell as regular soft reset or Ram cleaner.....several available on XDA.
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\HTC\ResProxy\ShareMemS ize=0 (Increase free memory)
I agree with member Deepak that choosing a custom Rom offers best of both worlds. But also here you have to make the choice Touch flow or not.....having only parts is not possible (unless built in Rom).
Thanks all for your effort, but I think I finally found something:
/showthread.php?t=540922 (can't post link because my account is not approved )
This allows me to disable touchFLO while still using the nice menu's; downloading right now
Yeah, used this on my previous Rom (WM 6.1) aswell. Was not happy with the result since it did not work flawless.....dissappear after soft reset, not working with some programs etc.
But see if it works for you. Success.
At present I'm using trhe newest Energy ROM. Nice work.
I just wondered if there was any ROMs made for easy of visual use.
I'm a but long in the eye now and find using the phone sometimes a strain on my eyes. Age and all that
The Energy ROM is very good but I probably only use about 1/20th of the apps and stuff it loads. Some of the ones it installs I don't even know what they do
I would love to see a ROM made for vision clarity, bigger fonts and more simple but just as useful front screens.
Is there any of the cooks that can advise me on this ?
Thanks
maybe it's not a rom, but a software that you need, like point ui : http://www.wm6software.net/utilities/pointui_1_5.html
not the lame 2.0 which tries to do exactly the same as touchflo, spb etc, but the 1.5, which was very very eye and finger friendly, especially on small screens like the one on touchpro, with big icons, big texts, big lists etc..
so can I get a ROM with none of this HTC touch slide screen and Sense, maybe just a really basic front end.
well I've installed that app, started it and all I get is a blue blob start up screen than nothing happens.
Rom
If you are looking for a simple rom with a good user interface I usually go back to the basic Euro Touch pro rom. I then add a few apps by cab that I need but I also add SPB Mobile shell to it. Retains all the hardware funtionality. I of course turn off TF3D.
SPB can replace your start menu and for bigger fonts go to start\settings\system\screen and enable cleartype and adjust your font size.
When I install this rom I usually install the following apps for basic and a little advanced user functionality:
SPB Mobile shell 3.5 (UI) -Worth the money-
Advanced config 3.3 (changing pagepools and storage locations)
Total Commander 2.5 (self-explanatory)
GPSTest 1.04 (for GPS locking)
SKtools (easy tweaking and cleaning-latest version-I bought it at pocketgear.com)
Bing (directions, searching, Navigating etc.)
Lumos (latest version for backlight control)
Touch Response (latest version-simulated haptive feedback)
Microsoft MyPhone (Secondary sync)
Of course it is all based on taste. Just thought I would stick that out there for ya.
Font size is at its largest, isn't enough
I have to say out of whats on the phone with this energy ROM i think I only use 3 things, and one is now missing in the new ROM.
Phone
Wi-Fi Router
Notes and Tasks.
Google Maps
Facebook
SMS
Freecell
Mostly hooked up to my PC with MyMobile so I can use my big screen. never browse now as the screen is to small.
Just looked at thr Captains basic ROM
2010-02-25_Cap_Special_NO_MANILA_23541
BorgCymru said:
Font size is at its largest, isn't enough
I have to say out of whats on the phone with this energy ROM i think I only use 3 things, and one is now missing in the new ROM.
Phone
Wi-Fi Router
Notes and Tasks.
Google Maps
Facebook
SMS
Freecell
Mostly hooked up to my PC with MyMobile so I can use my big screen. never browse now as the screen is to small.
Just looked at thr Captains basic ROM
2010-02-25_Cap_Special_NO_MANILA_23541
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Why don't you try my Titanium ROM then ? It's pretty basic, IMO
Trouble I have is reading through all the threads on a ROM, theres just to much old rubbish per thread. I can't filter out whos going on about which version and which ROM is which.
Pruning should be compulsory
They get all wrapped up in tech speak and CHt HTc DDL ROM RAM NND GGH OOH, which doesn't mean a thing to me, or probably a lot of people
Ill try yours out now
What else would I need. I want the Wi-Fi and a few tools but none of the
ArkSwitch ( no idea what it is)
Backup Fav ( never use Fav to start with)
CHT ( turned that off straight away)
Shake and whatever ( why)
World Card ( Useles)
XDA UC ( no idea)
BINg
well you get the picture
There was a good simple task manager in the last ROM but its missing now
And I liked the page with all short-cuts to you most used apps. It looked like the iPhone, very handy to use.
TAEL roms are pretty good
OK I'm lost wheres the Energy Titanium please
SiL3nTKiLL said:
TAEL roms are pretty good
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TAEL, is that a ROM type or the maker of the ROM ?
Thanks
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Yes TAEL is the chef of the rom.
I am currently using captains manilla 2.1 rom. Pretty basic uses the old TF3D type interface. but still has newer features. The only thing missing would be the facebook app. but that can be installed via cab. Seems to be simple enough yet has plenty of tools to get the job done. It has the simple HTC task manager as well.
Does Pointui.Home.1.5a.Wm5. work on it
Ahh I see it says WM5 I wonder if that why it doesn't work on mine.
Trying the Cpts one, systems font seems smaller and I can't seem to find any O2 UK set up cab anywhere
Font size???
It does enlarge through screen settings but I can try and find a magnifier that could swipe across the screen. Of course most of the chefs have knowledge enough to make a "handicapped" rom as microsoft sells it in windows. (Magnifier , speech etc.)
What would be good is an App like the iPhone one that turns the phone into a magnifier. I could deff use that when I was out to read labels and small stuff.
Using
TAELROM_v4.23569_STANDARD_21MAY10
Cpts one I couldn't get the O2 settings for.
i have found something that might help you http://handheld.softpedia.com/get/System-Utilities/Enhancements/WinMobile-Magnifier-27412.shtml
Well I gone and brought an iPhone, please don't shout , Only way I can see if it is suitable for me is hands on.
Probably wrong place to ask but anyone recommend a decent iPhone forum ?
Thanks
Still got the HTC so all is not lost