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my last g2x battery lasted like 4 hrs on a full charge what is the best way to charge the new one? do i let the battery run out then charge it?
When you first get a phone, you should let the battery die before charing it. Then charge it completely after it dies, this will maximize your battery life. If you charge it right out the box, you're actually reducing the amount of juice the battery can hold.
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When you first get a phone, you should let the battery die before charing it. Then charge it completely after it dies, this will maximize your battery life. If you charge it right out the box, you're actually reducing the amount of juice the battery can hold.
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That's not really accurate. Lithium Ion batteries have no memory effect like older batteries so charging them from halfway full does not reduce the maximum capacity.
What happens is the phone needs to learn to measure the amount of mAh from the phone and recognize what battery % that means. By taking the phone through the full discharging and charging cycle, the battery drivers pick up on this and will better report the battery level. With a poorly calibrated battery, you do not get less battery, but instead you just will not see accurate information about the charge level. For example, my first discharge went quickly to about 10%, and even quickly below 5%, but stayed on for hours between 5% to eventually shutting off.
The battery still will not die faster, but my phone thought it was much lower than it was, giving it the appearance of dying faster. Point is, you can do the charge/discharge cycle whenever, not just the first time, and it won't effect your long term battery health.
1) do factory reset
2) drain completely
3) charge completely
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thanks everyone for your advice!
I think it really depends on who you ask. lol Some people will say let it drain first then charge it fully. I have read info on battery maker sites that suggest when you get their battery that you let it charge fully for at least 8 hours, then let it discharge fully. They say to do this the first 5 charges to increase battery life.
When I get a new phone or battery that's what I do. as soon as I get it I charge it up overnight, then let it discharge completely for the first 5 charges. I can only speak by my experience and my experience tells me it makes a difference. Here is my reasoning: me and my ex gf went one day to get new phones. We got the same phone. She started using hers as soon as we left the store. I waited. I charged it up overnight fully and did the conditioning procedure. Our phones were pretty much mirrors of each other app and software wise. Her battery would die out a couple of hours before mine. Battery usage also didnt report any HUGE differences in consumption .
Also every once and a while I go into Clockwork recovery and wipe battery stats(after it's been fully discharged) and re do the conditioning process. It might just be a mental thing, but for me this seems to work
supposedly from htc.....
1) Turn your device ON and Charge the device for 8 hours or more 2) Unplug the device and Turn the phone OFF and charge for 1 hour 3) Unplug the device Turn ON wait 2 minutes and Turn OFF and charge for another hour Your battery life should almost double, we have tested this on our devices and other agents have seen a major difference as well
I heard/read somewhere that you should never let a lithium ion battery fully discharge. It supposedly shortens its lifespan every time you fully discharge it. Instead, you are suppose to just top it off and not let it remain on the charger, for extended periods of time, once its reached a full charge. YMMV
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I heard/read somewhere that you should never let a lithium ion battery fully discharge. It supposedly shortens its lifespan every time you fully discharge it. Instead, you are suppose to just top it off and not let it remain on the charger, for extended periods of time, once its reached a full charge. YMMV
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This is "more" true for everyday normal usage. Yes, you shouldn't constantly fully charge and fully discharge every time you use your phone. But for battery calibration it is necessary/beneficial.
I also hard that during the first charge after turning the phone off you have to strange on your head for ten minutes, then only use your left hand for the rest of the day and you will double your battery life
rashad1 said:
When you first get a phone, you should let the battery die before charing it. Then charge it completely after it dies, this will maximize your battery life. If you charge it right out the box, you're actually reducing the amount of juice the battery can hold.
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Well I did it this way too. I get good batt
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Hi i dont know why my battery isnt completely charging! or the battery charger info is broken! anyone else not charging to 100%?
It probably hits 100% then starts draining slightly to keep it from over charging. Mine gets to 99% then I unplug and replug it and it hits 100. But that has happened with a lot of devices for me.
Happens on my evo as well. You can get around it by flashing a kernel that does trickle charging which I'm sure we'll get for the tf sooner or later.
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Happens on my evo as well. You can get around it by flashing a kernel that does trickle charging which I'm sure we'll get for the tf sooner or later.
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I would NOT use an sbc kernal on this battery, they are known to shorten battery life. Cell phone batteries are a dime a dozen, this thing is both non-user replacable and most likely not cheap.
Pretty sure its a lithium ion battery inside and you shouldnt overcharge those. You're best off keeping it between 30-90% and doing a drain and full charge once a month to prolong its life. The charger should stop charging when the battery is full on it's own anyways if you do leave it plugged in. I think it's a European law to have that as a safety feature, probably an American law for this too. So if the charger is staying hot a few minutes after your device has hit 100% charge, you've got a problem. Mine does get to 100% but yes it takes a while to top up, that's just the way these batteries operate.
ok, so I'm running faux's rom and I have run CM 7. I have tested this a few times and each rom and it seems to help improve battery life.
Since the drivers are screwy I noticed when I charged my phone it would say 100% but I would unplug it and it would drop down to 97% right away. I think the lower number is the accurate one, So the battery really isnt getting fully charged because the phone thinks it is so of course it will die sooner
So what I did was let it charge to 100% then unplugged it, it went down right away. I plugged it back in and it started charging again, in a few minutes it showed 100%, I unplugged and it showed 97%, so I kept repeating this then eventually I unplugged and it was 98%, then eventually 99%. After doing this my battery lasted a lot longer. I usually have keep an extra battery on me and usually have to switch but for the first time my g2x lasted the whole day! So give this a shot.. it could help if you suffer from really bad battery life.
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Im From Southern California...be visiting New York on Monday. Good stuff...small world some times.
could unplug, then turn off, plug in and charge while off for a while, the unplug and turn on, then plug back in and let charge. then wipe batt stats and unplug. works for me.
I have one extra battery. I never charged my phone through the charger it came with. I always charge my battery with the portable charger. No doubt the portable charger takes 6-8 hours to fully charge my battery, but on the upside my battery lasts for more than a day.
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I noticed a similar thing recently. I generally charge my phone overnight while I'm sleeping and use it for an alarm clock. One morning I decided to reboot my phone (my experience is that it needs a reboot every couple of days or various things stop working) before I got up, so I powered it down, still plugged into the charger. I then tried to power it on, but instead of the boot screen I got the device-off charging animation, indicating that it wasn't fully charged, even though it had said 100% before I powered it off. After letting it sit and charge while off for another hour or so, I booted it, and I think I got exceptionally long battery life that day (although my days are all so different it's hard to compare one to another).
I think bump charging does help, but its not good for your battery in the long run
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I think bump charging does help, but its not good for your battery in the long run
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well hopefully they fix the driver issues so we wont have to do it too much longer One can hope right? hahaha
Ok, so I've been experiencing this for the past few weeks now, and I'm getting sick of it. I plug up my phone to charge it overnight, or just to charge it when I know I will be in a place for a while. After a while, the phones battery will say 100%. But when I take the charger out, the battery isn't fully charged. It IMMEDIATELY jumps down to around 40% - 70%. I can get it fully charged after unplugging and replugging the charger in, sometimes numerous times of unplugging and replugging. Also, my battery has died on numerous occasions on between 10% - 15%. I calibrated my battery the first day I got it (as a replacement) and got decent juice from it, a noticeable improvement from the old battery. Am I the only one experiencing these issues? Is there a fix for it???
*NOTE* I'm on my 2nd battery (replacement) and this is also a replacement phone. Also running GummyCharged 1.8 GBE on EP1Q, RFS, w/Minimal Gummy theme, if that matters. Also, its not just my phone, my wifes Charge phone has the same setup and it does it also. So it may just be something wrong Gingerbreak. Never did it on FroYo. Gonna Odin back to FroYo and report back.
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This is because you cannot leave the phone plugged in to charge for an extended period of time. Once the battery reaches 100%, it stops charging. It will start charging again later, after the percentage goes down to a certain set level. This is why you have the huge initial drop-off after taking it off the charger. If you want to leave the phone plugged in for an extended period of time, turn it off and plug it in to allow it to charge, then it won't discharge as quickly. Otherwise, this is normal behavior for all android phones, and trying to make it so that the phone stays at 100% full charge is bad for both the battery and phone.
I've been having some strange problems. My phone will die with between 4-8 percent battery left. I can turn it back on and once it drops another percent or two it will turn off again. I have calibrated it and my battery life is good but this is a strange issue. Upgrading to rc2 today.
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Ok, so I've been experiencing this for the past few weeks now, and I'm getting sick of it. I plug up my phone to charge it overnight, or just to charge it when I know I will be in a place for a while. After a while, the phones battery will say 100%. But when I take the charger out, the battery isn't fully charged. Its usually on around 40% - 70%. I can get it fully charged after unplugging and replugging the charger in. Also, my battery has died on numerous occasions on between 10% - 15%. I calibrated my battery the first day I got it (as a replacement) and got decent juice from it, a noticeable improvement from the old battery. Am I the only one experiencing these issues? Is there a fix for it???
*NOTE* I'm on my 2nd battery (replacement) and this is also a replacement phone. Also running GummyCharged 1.8 GBE on EP1Q, RFS, w/Minimal Gummy theme, if that matters.
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I have the exact same problem. It will just go from 50% to 100% in a second and then unplug and plug back in to make it work. i haven't been able to figure it out either. 2nd phone and 2nd battery as well with same issue. I guess it has to do with my habits somehow.
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This is because you cannot leave the phone plugged in to charge for an extended period of time. Once the battery reaches 100%, it stops charging. It will start charging again later, after the percentage goes down to a certain set level. This is why you have the huge initial drop-off after taking it off the charger. If you want to leave the phone plugged in for an extended period of time, turn it off and plug it in to allow it to charge, then it won't discharge as quickly. Otherwise, this is normal behavior for all android phones, and trying to make it so that the phone stays at 100% full charge is bad for both the battery and phone.
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I believe the use case he is suggesting is a little different than what you are describing. When the phone is plugged in at say 12%, it charges for a while and gets to say 63%. At that point it jumps to 100% immediately. The phone must then be unplugged from the charger and re-plugged in and then it will continue properly to 100%.
Hopefully that is a little clearer.
I mean, usually I turn it off to charge. And I have that No Moar Powah app installed. So I set it to reboot at 100%, it does and when I take the charger out, it immediately drops to between said percentages. almost like clockwork. Very annoying. I understand what u mean Imnuts, but my Vibrant, HD2, or others never experienced this issue. Also, my first Charge, would keep a charge if I left it on the charger once it hit 100%. Maybe an issue with the charger itself? A Verizon rep told me to bring in the charger itself if the issue persists.
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Almost exactly my issue. I'm not understandings what the problem is. I'm assuming u have that issue also???
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Hmm i have the opposite of that problem every time i unplug my phone from charging overnight the battery meter would always read 100% never below that.
Also does anyone know which battery meter i should follow for battery calibration? The battery meter in the status bar, the battery level in system settings/about phone/status, the battery percentage at the lock screen or the battery meter on the screen when the phones off? They're all giving me different readings for some odd reason.
Sometimes I get that too, but for the most part, its the false readings from the lockscreen, and the about phone settings. I may send off for a new phone, run stock for a few days to calibrate my battery then root on a full charge.
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This is because you cannot leave the phone plugged in to charge for an extended period of time. Once the battery reaches 100%, it stops charging. It will start charging again later, after the percentage goes down to a certain set level. This is why you have the huge initial drop-off after taking it off the charger. If you want to leave the phone plugged in for an extended period of time, turn it off and plug it in to allow it to charge, then it won't discharge as quickly. Otherwise, this is normal behavior for all android phones, and trying to make it so that the phone stays at 100% full charge is bad for both the battery and phone.
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I see what you're saying, but on the other hand I charge my phone overnight with no problems. Never did this before, but I don't have time to sit around for 6 hours for it to charge
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Well I went back to FroYo GummyCharged v1.9 and lo and behold, the charging issues VANISHED. Charged my phone overnight last night and when I removed the charger, 100%. No drop immediately back down to 56% or some weird number. Maybe its a Gingerbreak leak issue. I've noticed that it only happens to my phone on Gingerbread. Also must mention, my wifes phone does it also. She's on Gingerbread. She complains that I broke her phone lol.
*EDIT* CONFIRMED. 2nd nite in a row, no issues charging.
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imnuts said:
This is because you cannot leave the phone plugged in to charge for an extended period of time. Once the battery reaches 100%, it stops charging. It will start charging again later, after the percentage goes down to a certain set level. This is why you have the huge initial drop-off after taking it off the charger. If you want to leave the phone plugged in for an extended period of time, turn it off and plug it in to allow it to charge, then it won't discharge as quickly. Otherwise, this is normal behavior for all android phones, and trying to make it so that the phone stays at 100% full charge is bad for both the battery and phone.
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Imnuts...ill have to disagree with you. This is the only android phone I've had this problem on, and I've had 6 different android phones. also, it only started happening for me when i went to Gingerbread. Going to flash back to Froyo and i will update.
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Same here with me. It only started when I went to Gingerbread. Also happened on my wifes phone, also on GB. I went back to FroYo 2 days ago, and boom, no more charging issues. I can leave it on all nite and not get the random percentage drops. I gotta calibrate my battery now.
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Flashed back to Froyo and charged overnight, unplugged an hour ago and now I'm sitting at 96%.
Gingerbread be buggin' yo.
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Flashed back to Froyo and charged overnight, unplugged an hour ago and now I'm sitting at 96%.
Gingerbread be buggin' yo.
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So it was a Gingerbread bug (GingerBug???) right? My battery life seems way better also. 6+ hrs off the charger and I am sitting on 73%. Not bad for me.
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The mis-information in this thread regarding Li-ion batteries is getting out of hand.
I think many of us are thinking about ni-cad batteries in which all the "bad" things we are talking about in this thread apply.
for a Li-Ion Battery, there is no "memory" effect. this means you can charge it at any point during the discharge phase. You also do not need to allow the battery to drain fully and charge to full to "condition" the battery. Li-Ion batteries can be charged at any point up to any point (from 30% to 70%, then 50% to 90%) and it will not effect the batteries performance.
Li-Batteries also do not suffer from overcharging. The charging circuits in cell phones will charge the battery until it is full, and then trickle charge from then on. And because Li-ion batteries do not have memories, this type of charging will not effect performance.
Li-Ion batteries can only be charged a finite number of times. However, the number of times does not translate to the number of times you happen to plug it in. The batteries have a rated number of "charge cycles", this is when the power from the battery has been exhausted and then re-filled. If you always charge your battery at 50% - 100% then every 2 charges you are using 1 full charge cycle. The batteries in the charge are 1600mAh and have approx 500 charge cycles. if you discharged and charged your phone from 0 to 100% every day, your battery would last 500 days before it would start to suffer from poor performance.
the OP in this thread is having software related issues related to the phone mis-representing the correct charge level of the battery, and then stopping the charge cycle prematurely.
Remember, it is perfectly OK, and expected of you to charge your battery as many times as you need to. Keep the thing on the charger any chance you get, it is not going to hurt it, its designed to be used that way. This is why Li-Ion took over as the battery tech of choice compared to Ni-cad.
References:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium-ion_battery (not a definitive reference, just a starting point for people interested)
http://www.geek.com/smartphone-buyers-guide/battery/ (A Few good sentences in this about the topic
http://www.apple.com/batteries/ipods.html (Another good source, Ipod also uses li-ion batteries - as do almost all consumer electronics)
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msticlaru said:
The mis-information in this thread regarding Li-ion batteries is getting out of hand.
I think many of us are thinking about ni-cad batteries in which all the "bad" things we are talking about in this thread apply.
for a Li-Ion Battery, there is no "memory" effect. this means you can charge it at any point during the discharge phase. You also do not need to allow the battery to drain fully and charge to full to "condition" the battery. Li-Ion batteries can be charged at any point up to any point (from 30% to 70%, then 50% to 90%) and it will not effect the batteries performance.
Li-Batteries also do not suffer from overcharging. The charging circuits in cell phones will charge the battery until it is full, and then trickle charge from then on. And because Li-ion batteries do not have memories, this type of charging will not effect performance.
Li-Ion batteries can only be charged a finite number of times. However, the number of times does not translate to the number of times you happen to plug it in. The batteries have a rated number of "charge cycles", this is when the power from the battery has been exhausted and then re-filled. If you always charge your battery at 50% - 100% then every 2 charges you are using 1 full charge cycle. The batteries in the charge are 1600mAh and have approx 500 charge cycles. if you discharged and charged your phone from 0 to 100% every day, your battery would last 500 days before it would start to suffer from poor performance.
the OP in this thread is having software related issues related to the phone mis-representing the correct charge level of the battery, and then stopping the charge cycle prematurely.
Remember, it is perfectly OK, and expected of you to charge your battery as many times as you need to. Keep the thing on the charger any chance you get, it is not going to hurt it, its designed to be used that way. This is why Li-Ion took over as the battery tech of choice compared to Ni-cad.
References:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium-ion_battery (not a definitive reference, just a starting point for people interested)
http://www.geek.com/smartphone-buyers-guide/battery/ (A Few good sentences in this about the topic
http://www.apple.com/batteries/ipods.html (Another good source, Ipod also uses li-ion batteries - as do almost all consumer electronics)
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This coming from a person WHO KNOWS WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT is very beneficial to us. Knowing that there is no way to actually "condition" a Li-Ion battery means that us who are actually suffer from poor battery life either have defective units or defective batteries. I hear of this miraculous 2 day battery life, yet I struggle to get thru a full 7 or 8 hrs with moderate usage. And this is a replacement unit AND battery. None of my other phones had that issue of immediately droping percentages like that, so I figured it was a software issue, that's why I went back to FroYo to test it out. Seems I was right. Gingerbread has a software issue that keeps the battery on some phones from reaching a full charge. Also my phone would be boiling hot during the charging process. Since reverting back, I've had no issues. Thanks for the insight. Coning from a knowledgeable source, it means a lot. Thanks!!!
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Do i let the phone shut off from the battery reaching 0%, then charge it to 100% and be on my merry way?
I've read multiple theories, but I think u should take it down out of the box, then shut off and charge to full...I remember ASUS recommending that to a media outlet when the Transformer 300 came out a few weeks ago...so that is what I am going to do when I get mine.
Thats exactly what I did, I let mine completely die and then charged to 100%.
Be careful with how you charge the phone, rather with how low you let it get.
Depending on how technical you want to get about it purposefully letting a battery drop to absolute zero can cause some odd chemical reactions that while not immediately evident can some times shorten battery life.
I would recommend taking it out of the box and using it until it is low but not dead. Maybe 10 or so percent and then either turn it off and charge it or leave it on and charge it just do not pull the plug on the charger until it is at 100%.
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Be careful with how you charge the phone, rather with how low you let it get.
Depending on how technical you want to get about it purposefully letting a battery drop to absolute zero can cause some odd chemical reactions that while not immediately evident can some times shorten battery life.
I would recommend taking it out of the box and using it until it is low but not dead. Maybe 10 or so percent and then either turn it off and charge it or leave it on and charge it just do not pull the plug on the charger until it is at 100%.
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This.
Full battery cycles are not good for long term life of Li ion batteries.
Also, its unlikely, but occasionally happens where discharging the battery to shutoff will render the battery unable to take a charge. The safety circuit on the battery is supposed to prevent this, but its not failsafe. I've seen more than a few reports on previous HTC devices where this happened. And since the battery on the One X is not easily replaced, the result can be disastrous.
The battery meters on phones are not very accurate in the best of circumstances. No need to drain to shutoff, 10 or 20% is fine. No value added to draining to shutoff, and the consequences can be very bad.
Drain to 10% or even 20%, charge to full, repeat 2-3 times. This is done just to calibrate the battery meter on the phone. Its a misconception that you can somehow increase battery life by "conditioning" the battery. But modern Li ion batteries do not suffer from memory effects, and conditioning only works for older tech NiCad batteries.
I do the same thing for all of my phones.
1. Activate and mess the heck out of it until it dies completely.
2. Charge it up to 100%
3. Mess the heck out of it again until it dies completely.
4. Charge it up to 100%
5. Mess the heck out of it again until it dies completely.
6. Charge it up to 100%
Then use it normally
Mine came dead! it didnt even turn on. so I'm charging it now
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Mine came dead! it didnt even turn on. so I'm charging it now
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That stinks. It must have been on in the box like that other xda member on here claimed
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Mine came with 1% battery so I just turned it back off and now I'm charging it up, i think the led will turn green when it's ready
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How do you tell if the phone is charged to 100% while off?
While on, my battery percentage doesn't seem to go past 99%. Is that correct or is this last 1% just taking a very long time?
Update: NVM last 1% just took forever. LED does turn green when fully charged.
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The LED will turn green once it's 100%.
Don't worry about letting the phone die and charging it up to 100%.
These batteries don't have a "memory" like older phones
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Mine came dead! it didnt even turn on. so I'm charging it now
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Mine came dead too. Charged it to 100% and now been using it and so far have 36% on 3h 9m on battery.
Screen at 84%
Does the battery life get better? Because it seems to be draining rather quick. Even though I have screen brightness less than half.
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Thats exactly what I did, I let mine completely die and then charged to 100%.
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truciet said:
I do the same thing for all of my phones.
1. Activate and mess the heck out of it until it dies completely.
2. Charge it up to 100%
3. Mess the heck out of it again until it dies completely.
4. Charge it up to 100%
5. Mess the heck out of it again until it dies completely.
6. Charge it up to 100%
Then use it normally
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Don't worry about letting the phone die and charging it up to 100%.
These batteries don't have a "memory" like older phones
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@Maroon Mushroom, Correct these lithium batteries dont have memory effect, but over discharging them will shorten its life.
I dont want to sound like an expert, but discharging the battery until it dies is not recommended. It will affect battery life/performance.
A couple of good references here: http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/discharge_methods
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_charge_when_to_charge_table
Ya, we use Lithium Ion (Li-Ion) batteries now which dont have a memory. The older Lithium Polymer (Li-Pol) batteries did have a memory and needed a certain charge method to get the longes life cycle out of it.
Awesome, thanks everyone
I turned it off at 20% and wen't to go buy my MicroSIM (ugh...) cant wait to play with it tomorrow
Why would you buy it? Pretty sure they would give one to you for free
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bought it off Kijiji
It's offered by Rogers, but i'm on Telus
Hmm, i hate the idea of letting it die completely. But what i've always done is turned everything on and ran it through a low-powered usb source so it has a charge but the battery is still draining. So even if the battery runs dead it has power via USB plug [make sense?]. Usually having everything on [i do mean everything] and downloading a torrent so the internet is constantly under use. Then again i'm not sure how the One X will work out for this, but thats what i'm planning .
guys its lithium...u cant drain it to 0...even when android shuts down your at around 3.6volts. thats definetly not 0volts. no memory and android wont let you ruin your battery...so charge however whenever.
im qualified in lead acid. ni cad. nimh and lithium batteries. trust me..u cant hurt it unless you short it! !
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