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I have a chance to get one of these 3 phones. With contract.
I really like the G2 but, want to get the experts recommendations of these 3 phones.
I haven't used anyone of these phones. I do use an HD2 dual booting.
Pros and Cons for all phones and user experience would help me decide.
Thanks
First off i say stay away from the vibrant. Not thst its a bad phone, i personally dont like samsung (returned my epic after 3 days.) As you can see in my sig my current phones include a nexus one, HD2, HD7, and My Touch 4G.
My favorite phone out of the group is the MT4G just because of the speed and power it has. The second gen snapdragon and the 786mb ram make it one of the most powerful and fast android phones on the market.
I have only had the HD7 for 3 or 4 days. Great phone and OS, but it needs more time to mature. My mine problem with it is the no multitasking with third party apps. The Os is smooth as butter though!
IMO get the G2 (If you want the keyboard, MT4G if you want a fully loaded android.)
Personally, I'd get the HD7. It can only get better as the OS matures.
As far as the android phones go, it depends on what you're looking for. G2 has a keyboard, but slower CPU (800MHz). Vibrant has no keyboard, but a faster CPU (1GHz) and also an AMOLED screen.
Don't know if you were looking to get the MyTouch4g, but I'd probably choose that if I were to get an android phone on t-mobile.
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First off i say stay away from the vibrant. Not thst its a bad phone, i personally dont like samsung (returned my epic after 3 days.) As you can see in my sig my current phones include a nexus one, HD2, HD7, and My Touch 4G.
My favorite phone out of the group is the MT4G just because of the speed and power it has. The second gen snapdragon and the 786mb ram make it one of the most powerful and fast android phones on the market.
I have only had the HD7 for 3 or 4 days. Great phone and OS, but it needs more time to mature. My mine problem with it is the no multitasking with third party apps. The Os is smooth as butter though!
IMO get the G2 (If you want the keyboard, MT4G if you want a fully loaded android.)
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I do like the MT4G too, that one isn't available to me right now (these aren't being bought from a T-Mobile store). That is why I didn't include it in the poll or post.
I'm not really sure about the Vibrant, I can't believe they didn't put a camera flash on it, what a waste.
Thanks for your input. I did click the thanks button.
With NAND boot Android on the HD2 I'm not sure you will get an appreciably better Android experience from the Vibrant, G2, or MT4G. I would go with the HD7 personally to try something new. Or wait it out until after CES.
The main advantage is 4G speeds with the G2 or MT4G, if your in a 4G area. In Kansas City I avg 8-10mbs on my MT4G. I do see great potential in WP7. I absolutly love the OS, im just waiting for Microsoft to add the lil things they left out. If you take lots of pics with your phone though the camera sucks on the HD7.
I have yet to try a nand rom on my HD2. Time to dust it off and give it a shot. it was already good with SD roms.
My sd Android is working good. Battery life could be better. I haven't tried the NAND either, might try it tomorrow.
Still haven't figured out which one to get.
I just got a vibrant and I really love it. I came from a hd2 so screen size as very important.
While I thought I wanted the mt4g but I am very happy with the vibrant. I havent experienced any bugs and with the nero v3 rom i've been happy as a pig in sh.t lol.
As far as the hd7 I wasnt willing to take the plunge because of the sd card limitation and the possible lack of apps.
Well personally ive played around with the G2 and i like it, yes it has a slower CPU but it has been overclocked to 2 Ghz!!! 2X faster than the MT4G, but you dont have to go that ridiculous, you can just go with the standard 1.2 Ghz, thats assuming your willing to root your phone
Not to mention that the G2 is said to get the new gingerbread (2.3) soon, according to others, it makes it quicker so if you add all that i think that the G2 is the best
(also if you really like the MT4G sense ui, i have heard that they have it as a rom for the G2, not to mention they have Cyanogen on it)
but basically its up to you
Not looking to leave a Vibrant
As you can see by my signature I have a Vibrant. It is operating some as silk and very very fast. If it wasn't for the developers I could not say this.
I have been looking at a Nexus S and realizing the differences between Nexus S and a Vibrant are the curved body style, a flash with the camera and a 2.3 OS. The camera on a Vibrant is very good even taking night shots. A flash is not required on a Vibrant.
I will not change to a Nexus for the small differences. Very happy for now waiting for something newer to come along
My vote goes to Desire Z
I vote for the G2. I'm selling my Nexus S for one.
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Advantages of of G2 are Keyboard and (almost) stock android IMO.
Advantages of MT4G are faster processor (and its been overclocked to, i run mine at 1.4ghz) More ram(786mb), more ram cant hurt. Front facing Cam, thats more of a prefrence, but it will be big if skype brings video chat to android.
Advantages of HD7 are Big screen. Fast and great looking OS. Netflix (if your a member.) Zune and zune pass. The market is also growing really fast so the lack of apps will die especially when MS loosens up and let devs get access to more api.
If your gonna root i dont think it matters if a phone has sense or not because you can put a rom with it if you want it or a rom without it if you prefer stock.
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Advantages of of G2 are Keyboard and (almost) stock android IMO.
Advantages of MT4G are faster processor (and its been overclocked to, i run mine at 1.4ghz) More ram(786mb), more ram cant hurt. Front facing Cam, thats more of a prefrence, but it will be big if skype brings video chat to android.
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They've overclocked the G2 to 1.8GHz.
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They've overclocked the G2 to 1.8GHz.
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Same for the MT4G, I just run mine at 1.4ghz.
Well, I did have a chance to get the Mytouch 4g and, I got it in red.
Loving it so far. Thanks for all the great help!
G2. Dude why not get 4G speeds? Who wouldn't?
Title says it all
Sent From The Brain Of The Magic Man Through His Nerves, Into His Muscles, To His Fingers And Onto The Magical Screen Of The Vibrant.
If you want a faster phone, get the Epic (that is, if you're mainly about 3D gaming). If you want arguably the largest community with the most and most diverse ROMs, definitely the Evo.
This is nothing against the Epic, but the Evo absolutely dominates in terms of mods, ROMs, kernels, and the development community in general. We have Sense ROMs, AOSP ROMs (ie CyanogenMod), MIUI, ROMs from other devices (ie Inspire 4G, Desire, etc). We have mods like full HDMI output with zero lag. Also flashing ROMs and modding in general is much easier on the Evo. You don't really need a computer for anything once you put the files on your card; I don't have experience with the Epic but I've read around enough to know it's a lot more work (lagfixes and such).
If you want a solid device (literally and metaphorically) that's easy and fun to mod the hell out of, Evo hands down.
Here are some of the most popular ROMs for the Evo:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=793471
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=830153
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=915527
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=956187
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1013735
Thanks, I was thinking the same, why can't it be this easy for my vibrant, when I watched a how to flash the evo video. I would love to hear the views of others though
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Going forward the simplicity of the EVO (which was based on the Hd2 framework) will be harder HTC trying their best to lock the boot loader. Either Way, the Vibrant is a remarkably easy phone to modify, the Epic is harder because the Galaxy phones were set up on a GSM platform then modified to Cdma, so there are some quirks dealing with that.
The real question is what are you going to do with the phone,.... If you are a flashing whore then go where you can the most variety to satisfy yourself. If you just want a great running system then, stay with the Vibrant or alot of other phones they are all just fine plenty out there to keep you happy. The problem that i see with most people is they get "flashing addiction" and forget it is a phone/mini computer
Think about it, would you load new operating systems every week or so on your laptop or desktop. Sounds like a stupid idea. But no, on our phone we think we need to do this or we will be missing something. Android is now to a point that we are not missing much not until we get more powerful hardware. And, that is coming. But for now the Galaxy phones work pretty well........ unless they do not satisfy your "flashing sluttiness"..........
From what all the others are saying it is better to go for an EVO.
evo shift is smaller but lacks front camera and lower price point. epic has front camera but $50 more. I only had epic when it came out but I love it so far!
Neither! Newer, much better dual-core phones are starting to roll out, so there's no reason to drop money on a year-old phone and just be totally left in the dust. Patience, grasshopper.
if you wanna save some money i bet the evo drops in price when the 3 d comes out.
Steep learning curve for myself, and nearly no devs. The phone also seems to crash all by itself at least once a day.
I love my sidekick to death, but will she see support? At first I only bought it because it said sidekick and had the flippy screen. I was a happy camper, but then I learned that it was a ****ING LINUX PHONE *****. Given the investment, I'd like to have the return of cracking wireless network while wardriving, and listening to flacs that I'm torrenting off of a cloned SIM card in a third world country in a stolen Lincoln Continental. (gets a little OT towards the end, but you get my point.) Otherwise I'd just return the phone and duck tape my old SK Slide together and keep using that.
So, now that you see my intentions. Should I devote the time and love of writing regular expressions that make other programmers see blood, or leave the ship before she sinks?
To be honest I don't see it likely that many devs will be jumping on board for this phone. Theres many posts where they say the phone is meant for teenage girls, and teenage girls can't code . Well if you like the phone keep it. Custom roms aren't really that amazing... most of them only have minor tweaks and custom themes. The kernels are nice if you want to overclock or undervolt though and voodoo color/sound is nice. Overall if you like the phone, the flip screen and all keep it, Having it rooted gives you most of the benefits already... theres bound to be SOME development but i'm guessing it will be a VERY long time before you see cyanogen or miui released
If I were you I would exchange it for a g2,mytouch 4g,g2x....or wait for galxys s 2 instead..
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If I were you I would exchange it for a g2,mytouch 4g,g2x....or wait for galxys s 2 instead..
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Yeah but none of those have the QWERTY keyboard, which was my main motivator for the sidekick. I really miss the form factor the sidekick Slide. It was tiny but effective. All these newfangled smartphones are the size of boomerangs.
I'm not really going to complain as much anymore because I just figured out how to turn off 4G and having to charge my phone almost twice a day was my main complaint. Besides the random crashes, but my friend's phone (the evo 4g) does the same thing so it's not like I would be upgrading if I got another phone.
So I guess my only REAL complaint now is the speed, and not having a flash for the camera.
God I'm a whiny *****. Look at me. I own a phone for a teenage girl and now I'm turning into one. This phone is <3
Any chance gingerbread will make its way to it?
The G2 has a kb but not the lg g2x..All android phones don't have the shutdown isse, its probably linked to the software.my mytouch slide doesn't do hat at all or even my g1 when I had it. Anyway its your choice, but be careful since you keep this for 2yrs if you have a contract..Just try the phones at th tmo store if you can, the larger screens are easy to type on, the ipone has abt the same screen size and it can be used fine
Oh yeah I forgot to mention ol sammy is terrible with making updates so ginger won't be coming to a phone near for a long long time...Just ask some of the other galaxy s owners and they'll tell you. That's why I want nothing to do with sammy, they dnt give good support lik htc.
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The G2 has a kb but not the lg g2x..All android phones don't have the shutdown isse, its probably linked to the software.my mytouch slide doesn't do hat at all or even my g1 when I had it. Anyway its your choice, but be careful since you keep this for 2yrs if you have a contract..Just try the phones at th tmo store if you can, the larger screens are easy to type on, the ipone has abt the same screen size and it can be used fine
Oh yeah I forgot to mention ol sammy is terrible with making updates so ginger won't be coming to a phone near for a long long time...Just ask some of the other galaxy s owners and they'll tell you. That's why I want nothing to do with sammy, they dnt give good support lik htc.
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No. I paid upfront for the phone. I have a 14 day period to return it.
I just don't want a massive tablet in my pocket. I rock skinny jeans all day err'y day and having some brick in my pocket is terrible for the females looking at my legs.
I was thinking of the Blackberry Bold but closed source is a major boner killer. Same with IOS, but I am familiar with every phone operating system so its no biggie.
I know the Droid Pro has a nice keyboard, especially the one that slides, like the Droid OG, but it looks like a pain to type on, with all the letters smushed together.
**** it. I'm keeping it. I'm not some prissy little beezy. The only time I take pictures is at concerts and the pictures always turn out like **** 'cause I'm too drunk; and before and after sex...
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No. I paid upfront for the phone. I have a 14 day period to return it.
I just don't want a massive tablet in my pocket. I rock skinny jeans all day err'y day and having some brick in my pocket is terrible for the females looking at my legs.
I was thinking of the Blackberry Bold but closed source is a major boner killer. Same with IOS, but I am familiar with every phone operating system so its no biggie.
I know the Droid Pro has a nice keyboard, especially the one that slides, like the Droid OG, but it looks like a pain to type on, with all the letters smushed together.
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Are you only looking for a tmo device or any phone? Maybe checkout a verizon or sprint store.
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Phone cameras are never that good anyways. I always bring my canon elph when I care about memories.
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Steep learning curve for myself, and nearly no devs. The phone also seems to crash all by itself at least once a day.
I love my sidekick to death, but will she see support? At first I only bought it because it said sidekick and had the flippy screen. I was a happy camper, but then I learned that it was a ****ING LINUX PHONE *****. Given the investment, I'd like to have the return of cracking wireless network while wardriving, and listening to flacs that I'm torrenting off of a cloned SIM card in a third world country in a stolen Lincoln Continental. (gets a little OT towards the end, but you get my point.) Otherwise I'd just return the phone and duck tape my old SK Slide together and keep using that.
So, now that you see my intentions. Should I devote the time and love of writing regular expressions that make other programmers see blood, or leave the ship before she sinks?
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I too am going back and forthcoming from a epic 4g the speeds I get on tmobile are stabl and way better than sprints 4g, minor sacrafices like no flash screen quality and size etc but I love the keyboard, text change, the reject list, wifi calling, form factor, etc and while its nice to have a decent cam phone with flash I will miss my epic 4g screen and flash its bittersweet. The keyboard is remarkable and I don't want to lose my reject list I think its a tmobil thing...however why do they charge 14.99 to tether the same data give to us? I don't get it!
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To be honest I don't see it likely that many devs will be jumping on board for this phone. Theres many posts where they say the phone is meant for teenage girls, and teenage girls can't code . Well if you like the phone keep it. Custom roms aren't really that amazing... most of them only have minor tweaks and custom themes. The kernels are nice if you want to overclock or undervolt though and voodoo color/sound is nice. Overall if you like the phone, the flip screen and all keep it, Having it rooted gives you most of the benefits already... theres bound to be SOME development but i'm guessing it will be a VERY long time before you see cyanogen or miui released
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You downplaying the benefit of custom roms, with their power options, ported lock screens, etc, makes it sound as if you don't want any development on the SK4G.
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You downplaying the benefit of custom roms, with their power options, ported lock screens, etc, makes it sound as if you don't want any development on the SK4G.
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err meant to hit quote not thanks lol, anyways
Care to point out where I mentioned not wanting development for the sk4g? I just said that it doesn't look like many devs are buying this phone and not to expect something like CM7 or MIUI any time soon.
also I explained custom roms fairly accurately
"most of them only have minor tweaks and custom themes."
and to what you said:
>power options - you mean adding reboot to the power menu? *tweak/theme*
>ported lock screen *theme*
I said the kernels are nice with voodoo color and sound and overclock/undervolt abilities and such are nice and the improved battery life from them.
and custom roms basically are just:
all bugfixes/tweaks known to date
themed to the devs liking or just stock theme (including custom lockscreen port and power options)
custom kernel (the main benefit in my opinion)
bloatware removed (which you can do with root)
some useful apps added(if the dev chooses)
but it wont take a phone you hate and turn it into an amazing phone.
What i'm getting at is if you like the phone you'll like it with custom roms because they look nice and have added goodies.. if you don't like the phone a rom isn't going to make it much better.
I see lots of people b*tching that this is a "teen phone" and the like.
It's the PERFECT form for those of use who want to use the phone as a mobile terminal. It's the one thing I miss the MOST about my old G1 when I upgraded to the Galaxy S. Sure the Galaxy S is a superior phone to the G1, but the physical keyboard gave me 2x the screen size and didn't have goofy input methods to get to various punctuations (' / \ | {} [] () etc) made it an excellent device to have on hand when I needed to address a server issue *RIGHT NOW*.
G2? Sorry, the keyboard on it sucks. This is the first real successor to the G1 that's an actual upgrade device (MT Slide doesn't really count, same processor constraint as the G1) and I would hope that some developers would show it some love. I'd have preferred if Samsung had given it the same screen as the Galaxy S, but they need to have *something* to upgrade if they plan on making a Mk2 device.
summary of the SK4G
It's been forever since I've upgraded and I just spent quite a bit of time with a number of phones, most of em 4G Android as that was the minimum i was looking for. I hope this summary helps your decisions.
I found that if you're in the market for a fast (1-1.2ghz, dual core), big (4"+) and beautiful (Super AMOLED) touch screen Android phone, there's many choices. Optimus/G2x, Incredible 2, Nexus S, Galaxy S I/II, etc.
There are also a good number of powerful slide-keyboard phones, such as the Evo Shift 4G, Epic 4G, G2, and Droid 2 Global. I noticed that the physical keyboard phones tended to trail the touch screens a bit in overall technology.
Raxxon said the G2 keyboard "sucks". I beg to differ - the HTC keyboards, which are all very similar, are probably the second-best keyboards I've ever used. 4 rows of full-sized and most importantly staggered keys. Not to mention, extra assignable shortcut keys.
But what if you were looking for something that makes using SSH, IRC, chat, email, and other messaging a breeze? There is only one phone with 5 rows of nicely spaced, tactile, staggered keys. The Sidekick 4G.
I was very annoyed that the designers felt that the voice-command and smiley-face buttons were more important than the right-side Alt key. But this can be remedied with a custom key mapper.
Yes, it's unfortunate that the screen looks so mediocre compared to the ones on other flagship models. I do miss the D-pad, but I think touchscreen navigation compensates for the crappy scroll "circle".
I admit I get phone-envy when I see the beautiful screens on those 4.5" dual core touch screen models. But nothing was as easy to email, chat, and type on as the Sidekick. I'll be buying one as soon as they get it in stock around here.
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I have an htc sensation and am extremely unhappy with the software support it has gotten. Not putting any blame on the devs, they have been great to us but the fact of the matter is that we are still on cm7 alphas, not even nightlies, and ics support is looking pretty bad. Kmobs has made some progress, so I'm going to wait a while to see what he has to offer along with whatever else the cm team gives us. And that's ignoring the hardware issues like poor reception and a shoddy screen (Ghosting and scan lines on an lcd made in 2011? seriously? That's ignoring the fact that my a** produces deeper blacks than this thing. I know it's an lcd, but come on! I swear to god I'm never buying an htc phone ever again).
Assuming that doesn't end well, would you guys recommend I "downgrade" to a nexus s? I wouldn't be able to afford a galaxy nexus (whenever the hell that launches on t-mobile, no way I import one) I could sell my sensation and get a used one for a pretty good price. Or should I just tough it out with my sensation and get a galaxy nexus when its second hand price drops?
Basically, what I'm asking is do you gs owners feel compelled to upgrade to the galaxy nexus or are you still content with your devices?
I'm happy with my phone as it is. Yeah, I could get a Galaxy Nexus if I wanted to pay for it outright, but there'll be another one next year, and there's nothing wrong with my NS. I wouldn't mind a Galaxy Nexus, but for me, my phone's doing what I need it to
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I'm happy with my phone as it is. Yeah, I could get a Galaxy Nexus if I wanted to pay for it outright, but there'll be another one next year, and there's nothing wrong with my NS. I wouldn't mind a Galaxy Nexus, but for me, my phone's doing what I need it to
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That's what really bothers me about the sensation, it doesn't do what I need it to do. HTC Sense is a complete mess imo, and cm7 (which is what I'm currently running) is incredibly buggy due to it still being an alpha. (the browser will crash about every tenth page you load) Thanks for the input.
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I have an htc sensation and am extremely unhappy with the software support it has gotten. Not putting any blame on the devs, they have been great to us but the fact of the matter is that we are still on cm7 alphas, not even nightlies, and ics support is looking pretty bad. Kmobs has made some progress, so I'm going to wait a while to see what he has to offer along with whatever else the cm team gives us. And that's ignoring the hardware issues like poor reception and a shoddy screen (Ghosting and scan lines on an lcd made in 2011? seriously? That's ignoring the fact that my a** produces deeper blacks than this thing. I know it's an lcd, but come on! I swear to god I'm never buying an htc phone ever again).
Assuming that doesn't end well, would you guys recommend I "downgrade" to a nexus s? I wouldn't be able to afford a galaxy nexus (whenever the hell that launches on t-mobile, no way I import one) I could sell my sensation and get a used one for a pretty good price. Or should I just tough it out with my sensation and get a galaxy nexus when its second hand price drops?
Basically, what I'm asking is do you gs owners feel compelled to upgrade to the galaxy nexus or are you still content with your devices?
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your first mistake.. the nexus s is not a downgrade. not even close. just because it doesnt have a dual core cpu, doesnt mean anything. as a matter of fact, my nexus s doesnt know that it doesnt have a dual core, and im not telling it
i have a friend thats very disgruntled with his sensation also. and for pretty much the same reasons that you gave. the only thing that i can say to ease your pain is that morfic, the creator of the Trinity line of kernels(for the ns/ns4g), has just received a sensation to develop on. im hopeful that the sensation will be seeing some great kernels in not to long of a time span. so, heads up
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your first mistake.. the nexus s is not a downgrade. not even close. just because it doesnt have a dual core cpu, doesnt mean anything. as a matter of fact, my nexus s doesnt know that it doesnt have a dual core, and im not telling it
i have a friend thats very disgruntled with his sensation also. and for pretty much the same reasons that you gave. the only thing that i can say to ease your pain is that morfic, the creator of the Trinity line of kernels(for the ns/ns4g), has just received a sensation to develop on. im hopeful that the sensation will be seeing some great kernels in not to long of a time span. so, heads up
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lol, that's why I put downgrade in quotes, everything about the phone in terms of specs is worse than the sensation, but I think it's a better over all phone. Thanks for the heads up though, I'll definitely keep track of this this morfic guy.
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your first mistake.. the nexus s is not a downgrade. not even close. just because it doesnt have a dual core cpu, doesnt mean anything. as a matter of fact, my nexus s doesnt know that it doesnt have a dual core, and im not telling it
i have a friend thats very disgruntled with his sensation also. and for pretty much the same reasons that you gave. the only thing that i can say to ease your pain is that morfic, the creator of the Trinity line of kernels(for the ns/ns4g), has just received a sensation to develop on. im hopeful that the sensation will be seeing some great kernels in not to long of a time span. so, heads up
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I fully agree with this. My friend had a Sensation, and even though the specs look better on paper, my phone could out-perform his easily, especially with Morfic's or Ezekeel's kernel.
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I fully agree with this. My friend had a Sensation, and even though the specs look better on paper, my phone could out-perform his easily, especially with Morfic's or Ezekeel's kernel.
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It is a slippery slope.
the 1.35x higher resolution skews 2D and 3D benchmarks.
benchmarking sense roms with the unoptimized libsqlite implementation drops IO scores
so it stacks up quite nicely now where i can actually benchmark a sensation hands on
flashing cm7 alpha10 on sensation right now to do some further test on a more familiar platform.
user experience is great on sensation so far btw
I'd wait till the ics OTA drops for the nexus s. Right now ics roms are pretty stable but they are no where near as smooth as gingerbread roms. No one knows how well ics will transfer to single cores, so your sensation may be better for the long run because of the duel core.
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morfic said:
It is a slippery slope.
the 1.35x higher resolution skews 2D and 3D benchmarks.
benchmarking sense roms with the unoptimized libsqlite implementation drops IO scores
so it stacks up quite nicely now where i can actually benchmark a sensation hands on
flashing cm7 alpha10 on sensation right now to do some further test on a more familiar platform.
user experience is great on sensation so far btw
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For sure. It's a gorgeous phone, and I've always liked the Sense UI. I think it's the best OEM UI out there. I think once the phone gets some more attention it'll definitely be a nice piece of hardware. Honestly, if I were in the OP's position, I would probably hang on to the phone if I could... but it seems it doesn't meet his needs.
morfic said:
It is a slippery slope.
the 1.35x higher resolution skews 2D and 3D benchmarks.
benchmarking sense roms with the unoptimized libsqlite implementation drops IO scores
so it stacks up quite nicely now where i can actually benchmark a sensation hands on
flashing cm7 alpha10 on sensation right now to do some further test on a more familiar platform.
user experience is great on sensation so far btw
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I actually disagree about the ux on sense. There are a lot of little things that really bother me. The way that the notification drawers sometimes takes a second to slide down for no apparent reason, the unlock animation, the lack of a bookmarks button in the browser (you have to hit menu), and the choppiness of the app drawer to name a few. imo, cm7 is a much more pleasant to use os, but that has been really buggy for me on my sensation. Sense is definitely a love/hate affair, and I really hate it lol. (Which is strange because I actually liked sense 2.x quite a bit, 3.0 was a step backwards imo.)
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For sure. It's a gorgeous phone, and I've always liked the Sense UI. I think it's the best OEM UI out there. I think once the phone gets some more attention it'll definitely be a nice piece of hardware. Honestly, if I were in the OP's position, I would probably hang on to the phone if I could... but it seems it doesn't meet his needs.
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I am definitely going to hang on to it for at least a month or two, I just wanted to see how you nexus owners like your phones as I don't have any friends with them.
gonintendo said:
I actually disagree about the ux on sense. There are a lot of little things that really bother me. The way that the notification drawers sometimes takes a second to slide down for no apparent reason, the unlock animation, the lack of a bookmarks button in the browser (you have to hit menu), and the choppiness of the app drawer to name a few. imo, cm7 is a much more pleasant to use os, but that has been really buggy for me on my sensation. Sense is definitely a love/hate affair, and I really hate it lol. (Which is strange because I actually liked sense 2.x quite a bit, 3.0 was a step backwards imo.)
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Just curious, which ROM are you running? Not sure if you're on stock or a customer Rom, but when I had my Inspire I ran Android Revolution most of the time (when I wasn't on CM) and the performance improvement over the stock ROM was amazing. I talked my friend into throwing Android Revolution HD (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1098849) on his Sensation 4G and he keeps mentioning how much faster it is now.
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Just curious, which ROM are you running? Not sure if you're on stock or a customer Rom, but when I had my Inspire I ran Android Revolution most of the time (when I wasn't on CM) and the performance improvement over the stock ROM was amazing. I talked my friend into throwing Android Revolution HD (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1098849) on his Sensation 4G and he keeps mentioning how much faster it is now.
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I'm on cm7 right now. I have tried arhd, but that gave me really bad battery life, no matter which kernel I used. I tried a few others, I think insert coin was one of them, but none really felt as snappy as cm7. Some were smoother, but multitasking and opening apps is much quicker in cm7. I'll take the buggyness of cm's current state on the sensation over sense any day.
My ns4g with aosp's ics ROM is incredible. Probably going to take a break from my EVO 3d and use it as my daily driver for a while once the OTA drops
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First why in the he'll would you get an HTC phone if you didn't like sense, dumb move, should have got the g2x. It will get better for aosp, quit crying..
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I have an htc sensation and am extremely unhappy with the software support it has gotten. Not putting any blame on the devs, they have been great to us but the fact of the matter is that we are still on cm7 alphas, not even nightlies, and ics support is looking pretty bad. Kmobs has made some progress, so I'm going to wait a while to see what he has to offer along with whatever else the cm team gives us.
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I think you're asking a bit much there. CM for Sensation is being done by one guy. One guy with a real life and a real job and real commitments that don't involve coding an OS for a bunch of - quite frankly - ungrateful users. KMobs is an utter perfectionist, but he has good reasons as to why we don't have nightly releases for the Sensation yet (a9 is just about perfect but a10 introduced a bunch of bugs... and to be honest, I'd prefer he focused on getting CM9 alphas out the door).
The real fact of the matter is that the Android market is much broader than it has ever been. Two years ago, we were looking forward to the Droid and Nexus One as our saviours from the 528MHz MSM720x-infected designs that were around. All we really had to choose from was the HTC Dream/G1, Magic/MT3G and Hero, which all shared basically identical internal designs. Nowadays you can point at just about any brand of phones and they'll have a truly lustworthy Android handset competing for your dollars and marketshare, so therefore the developer base has splintered accordingly. It's therefore only natural that handsets will have less 3rd-party developer support as time goes on.
And that's ignoring the hardware issues like poor reception and a shoddy screen (Ghosting and scan lines on an lcd made in 2011? seriously? That's ignoring the fact that my a** produces deeper blacks than this thing. I know it's an lcd, but come on! I swear to god I'm never buying an htc phone ever again).
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OK, this interests me. I haven't had these issues. In fact, my Sensation has far better reception than my two previous phones (LG Opitmus 2X and Samsung Galaxy S). I've definitely not noticed any ghosting or scanlines on my screen. Dust under the screen, yes. Power button funkiness, yes. At the risk of sounding like a Sensation/HTC apologist, I'd suggest that your phone has some kind of fault and you should get it looked at.
Basically, what I'm asking is do you gs owners feel compelled to upgrade to the galaxy nexus or are you still content with your devices?
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GS Owners? Well, I assume you're addressing Sensation owners here
I'm very tempted to upgrade to a GN. I won't though, mostly for the following reasons;
Removable SD Card - GN only has internal memory, muddied by...
USB Mass Storage - GN uses MTD which is a suboptimal ux, IMO. In a nutshell it means that all the writeable media on the phone presents as a single unified area with the user accessible /sdcard/ just being a directory rather than a separate partition & device as it is otherwise. It's probably The Future, but right now I hate it.
Offscreen buttons - I hate capacitive buttons as they are, but at least they're not taking up screen real estate
Build quality - The Sensation feels glorious. Samsung devices tend to feel cheap.
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I think you're asking a bit much there. CM for Sensation is being done by one guy. One guy with a real life and a real job and real commitments that don't involve coding an OS for a bunch of - quite frankly - ungrateful users. KMobs is an utter perfectionist, but he has good reasons as to why we don't have nightly releases for the Sensation yet (a9 is just about perfect but a10 introduced a bunch of bugs... and to be honest, I'd prefer he focused on getting CM9 alphas out the door).
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Just FYI, there are 2 other guys that are working on Sensation from the CM team. Not gonna post links since I don't care if you believe me or not, but you can find them on kmobs g+ feed. They just don't post on XDA, and don't release things until the next build has enough to warrant a release. They've been saying we'd go into nightly status soon, but either there are a couple of problems that they haven't found solutions to, someone is busy with their lives, or someone got pregnant (joke).
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Just FYI, there are 2 other guys that are working on Sensation from the CM team. Not gonna post links since I don't care if you believe me or not, but you can find them on kmobs g+ feed. They just don't post on XDA, and don't release things until the next build has enough to warrant a release. They've been saying we'd go into nightly status soon, but either there are a couple of problems that they haven't found solutions to, someone is busy with their lives, or someone got pregnant (joke).
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I wouldn't mind knowing who those guys are actually; so I can follow them myself on G+.
unfnknblvbl said:
I think you're asking a bit much there. CM for Sensation is being done by one guy. One guy with a real life and a real job and real commitments that don't involve coding an OS for a bunch of - quite frankly - ungrateful users. KMobs is an utter perfectionist, but he has good reasons as to why we don't have nightly releases for the Sensation yet (a9 is just about perfect but a10 introduced a bunch of bugs... and to be honest, I'd prefer he focused on getting CM9 alphas out the door).
The real fact of the matter is that the Android market is much broader than it has ever been. Two years ago, we were looking forward to the Droid and Nexus One as our saviours from the 528MHz MSM720x-infected designs that were around. All we really had to choose from was the HTC Dream/G1, Magic/MT3G and Hero, which all shared basically identical internal designs. Nowadays you can point at just about any brand of phones and they'll have a truly lustworthy Android handset competing for your dollars and marketshare, so therefore the developer base has splintered accordingly. It's therefore only natural that handsets will have less 3rd-party developer support as time goes on.
OK, this interests me. I haven't had these issues. In fact, my Sensation has far better reception than my two previous phones (LG Opitmus 2X and Samsung Galaxy S). I've definitely not noticed any ghosting or scanlines on my screen. Dust under the screen, yes. Power button funkiness, yes. At the risk of sounding like a Sensation/HTC apologist, I'd suggest that your phone has some kind of fault and you should get it looked at.
GS Owners? Well, I assume you're addressing Sensation owners here
I'm very tempted to upgrade to a GN. I won't though, mostly for the following reasons;
Removable SD Card - GN only has internal memory, muddied by...
USB Mass Storage - GN uses MTD which is a suboptimal ux, IMO. In a nutshell it means that all the writeable media on the phone presents as a single unified area with the user accessible /sdcard/ just being a directory rather than a separate partition & device as it is otherwise. It's probably The Future, but right now I hate it.
Offscreen buttons - I hate capacitive buttons as they are, but at least they're not taking up screen real estate
Build quality - The Sensation feels glorious. Samsung devices tend to feel cheap.
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It looks like some dumba** mod didn't read my post and moved it from the nexus s forums to the sensation forums. The point of the thread was not to complain about cm development on the sensation, I realize that it's a labor of love and that the team working on it is small, the point of the thread was to ask galaxy s owners whether they feel proper CM support and stock OTA updates are worth the downgrade in hardware.
And no, my phone is not defective, it has one of the auo screens which have been confirmed to have scanlines and poor pixel response times.
@the guy asking me why I bought an htc phone: htc phones have always been famous for having great cm support and their hardware is really nice.
I feel that my Sensation is a bit slow sometimes, but I'm trying to tell myself that it'll all be great when ICS comes out (either via HTC or CM9).
So this may be a silly question in a Nexus S forum, but would you guys recommend this device? I have an evo 3d and I just can't take the lack of development on it. I don't want to use my upgrade yet, so I'm trying to buy one cheap or trade for it.
The 3D is no doubt better spec-wise (dual core, 1GB RAM) but you can't beat the development of the Nexus S.
More specifically, is there anything you are after with regard to development? Features, themes, etc? Or do you just want to release the crackflasher within?
I just purchased a NS4G today on eBay for $61. The one I got has a bad esn, but I won't be using sprint, so I don't care.
With the ice cream sandwich they pushed today, I'd definitely say its worth it. You can find them for ~130 easily
I don't have the skill to develop for myself, but I love new roms, love vanilla android, love all the customization stuff. I found a local guy on CL who has a bricked one for $20. i think it is probably a soft-brick but figured worst case I'm out $20. I don't game too much on my phone, how is battery life? Does it feel snappy with the ICS update?
Thanks for the feedback so far guys! Hopefully join your forums for reals soon!
I have had a NS4G for about 6 months and I just got my son an evo 3d. I can say that my phone is much quicker and I've used non-sense/rooted roms and phones quite a bit. Sense isn't even intuitive to me any longer. I will let him ride it as long as he can since he's never had a smart phone but it makes little sense for my use. Battery is suggestive because of so many variables but I think he charges quite a bit more than his rant or ipod touch. Totally different beasts though. My previous phone was a heroc and I stopped running sense a while back. Having all features of the phone more easily work with rooted aosp roms is a big plus. Honestly, sense makes any phone feel like wm imo. If you have the means to get the phone, I would say you wouldn't be disappointed. I should also note that I get all my phones on contract and won't go over $99 so I cannot speak to the street value of either phone or really how much bang per buck. My son's 3d is nice but it doesn't impress me more than the hundred I spent on it, stock, and I can say the same about my phone. And as far as Development, both phones have lots of devs that I'm familiar with and they all put forth some great work but the options I've seen in aosp based roms on this phone make it damn sexy and functional.
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