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TP as HID Keyboard

Is there an application for the TP which allows for the device to be used as a HID over Bluetooth to control a desktop PC?

there are programs that let you control your desktop PC in various ways, but nothing specific for TP or the keyboard

Wow great idea, that would be nifty on my CarPC! I'm always looking for a smaller keyboard to fit there...
Can't be that hard, I'm sure someone can do that, with all the specialists we have here in this wonderful community

"can't be that hard"?
How did you come to this conclusion?
Educated guess? Or just guess?

Well it would need to modify a little bit the bluetooth stack and emulate a HID keyboard, I guess.
Tonight I'm the Jeremy Clarkson of the day, with his most famous quote: "how hard can it be?!" when obviously it is very hard to do...
So I absolutely don't mean it is an easy thing to do, but I'm sure some experts in XDA-Dev are skilled enough to do it.
Hey, a man can dream, right?

Another option is to use a program like VNC to pilot your pc from the your raphael.
Used to do it with my old ppc (Toshiba e830). This works only if the computer you want to control is also in the same network (connected either through LAN cable or wifi).

Yes, I'm aware of a number of remote control solutions, but they all require an application to be run on the PC to be controlled. I'm really looking for a solutions which is purely based on HID. Like the Sony Ericsson remote control feature on the new phones. Great for presentations and Media Player. Any ideas?

Not exactly what you were talking about but...
http://www.virtual-laser-keyboard.com/
About the size of a lighter, and you can use it for you phone as well. (Picture attaching your phone to the TV in the back. Using your bluetooth to open a program on it. Then typing away on the scren with this "futuristic keyboard from the stars!!".... or something like that.)

that must be one of the most useless gadgets ever created
huge initial "wow" factor, but that is all

Useless? I don't know... over priced, and unnecessary maybe, but a portable full sized keyboard doesn't seem useless to me.

Have you tried it?
I have. Very stupid to tap a plain table, since you cannot feel anything (even the separation of the buttons) you make 60% mistakes.
Also, it is not even portable! You need a large flat surface to put it and to let it throw its beam.
(and one more thing to recharge)
I stand by my original wording.

nethopper said:
Yes, I'm aware of a number of remote control solutions, but they all require an application to be run on the PC to be controlled. I'm really looking for a solutions which is purely based on HID. Like the Sony Ericsson remote control feature on the new phones. Great for presentations and Media Player. Any ideas?
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Well, HID implementation in Windows also includes programs and services that start with your windows. So if you have to install only 1 program to make it run I don't think it is a big deal.
It's 3 years I use my main computer this way. As I have a projector and don't want to start it every time I installed VNC server in my main computer (freeware) and VNC client in both my laptop and PPC, and it works pretty well (especially with Vista on my laptop, it runs pretty smooth).

@NLS:
Hmm, well from that description I will have to agree with you and add useless to my definition of the product as well.
@nethopper:
Yeah if you were looking for remote solutions I would suggest Logmein.com (the free version because I am cheap). If you want something that purely converts your phones keyboard into a computer keyboard... I found ( http://en.handybyte.com/cat/system-utilities/communications/blueremote/ ) for palm devices, this ( http://en.handybyte.com/cat/system-utilities/enhancements/ppc-tablet-remote-control-suite/ ) for ppc but over TCP/IP instead of bluetooth, and a patent showing that someone *Microsoft* is working/has worked on the idea ( http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2008/0120448.html ) so the search continues

@FlippyTK: I'm aware of the VNC solution, but I'm really looking for something as slim and elegant as the software on the SE phones. There are situations where you don't want or can't install anything on the host PC.
@NetApex: Thanks, for the links. The MS patent is strange, how could they file something as obvious as this? There must be prior art... But the patent might be the reason why such a software does not exist. I guess everybody is afraid of the MS lawyers...
I'll keep searching, please let us know if you have the solution...

I'm not sure a pure HID solution is possible. If the Raphael keyboard is indeed a HID-capable device, then the phone itself is its host. Since you would have to go through the host (in this case, WM) to access the bluetooth stack, the most direct solution is a software "pass-through" program.
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The SE solution is using bluetooth HID emulation, so I will take a look into that.
For now, the TCP/IP solution shouldn't be a problem: you can setup a bluetooth PAN for TCP/IP connectivity.
For reference, one software that is closest to what you have in mind is Synergy, a similar host/client pass-through program that allows you to use one keyboard/mouse on multiple networked computers (without using hardware KVM switch, etc). It's only Windows/Mac/Unix, no PPC client, but maybe it will help point you in the right direction.

I found the following article which gives a nice overview of remote control solutions:
http://www.pocketpcmag.com/cms/blogs/3/remote_media_controllers_for_windows_mob
The software from Jerom does a nice job (http://www.jaylee.org/RemoteControl/) and I used it on my Prophet for some time. It requires for a small program to be installed on the host and it is easy to set up. But I had it hang a few times (typically in the middle of a management presentation) and therefore I abandoned it. The SE solution I had before was absolutely reliable and that's why I look for something similar for WM.
In principle, the solution is simple: Implement a HID device driver and pass key/touches to it. I did some programming for WM devices but I never tackled the bluetooth stack... there is a significant hurdle - otherwise someone else would have done this app already. ;-)

that would be cool
using the phone to open an app that is named "operate as bluetooth keyboard" and clicking start to take control of a home theater PC using teh TV as your monitor and the desktop media PC as the CPU and just using your phone as nothing more than a keyboard would be pretty slick.

golympio said:
Wow great idea, that would be nifty on my CarPC! I'm always looking for a smaller keyboard to fit there...
Can't be that hard, I'm sure someone can do that, with all the specialists we have here in this wonderful community
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If you are so much interested in a small portable keyboard, why dont you try diNovo Mini from logitech http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/keyboards/keyboards/&cl=roeu,en
Quite cool. I use it for my Media Center!

Cyber-mate said:
If you are so much interested in a small portable keyboard, why dont you try diNovo Mini from logitech http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/keyboards/keyboards/&cl=roeu,en
Quite cool. I use it for my Media Center!
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That is cool, but also pricey

UP!!!!!

Home Automation (Insteon/X10)

Only saw one mention of this in these forums (ViewSonic in particular), but being a big fan of random acts of technology, I am totally into the home automation thing.
Been using X10 for a number of years with fairly good success but recently started building my Insteon house of power. Much more expensive but also much more powerful and reliable. Still getting it up and running, but wondering if anyone here has played with the Insteon SmartLinc Web Control on this thing. It was designed around the iPhone/Touch in particular, but any web-enabled device should work.
That being said, anyone here find apps that work well with this format to control home automation? The closest thing I can find is Conductor but you need to have the ISY-99 in order to use it.
I have read about some others, AutoHTN and HCA: Home Control Assistant most notably, but not really getting a good sense that those are the best avenues to tread down.
Perhaps the best breakdown I have found is at "The Android Authority" that I unfortunately cannot link to yet.

What hardware are you using? I have some X10, and Autom8 is compatible with the cm15a usb controller. Run the server on windows pc, and then software on android.
Link is autom8 dot clangen dot org

onezero1010101 said:
What hardware are you using?
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I have switched to pure Insteon components right now. As it stands I am running just the SmartLinc, but I foresee myself going the ISY-99 route in the future as I continually expand my system.
I have some X10, and Autom8 is compatible with the cm15a usb controller. Run the server on windows pc, and then software on android.
Link is autom8 dot clangen dot org
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I will check that out. I have a certifiable butt-load of X-10 stuff, but I am hesitant to mix and match the two systems at this point as I have researched quite a bit and read about constant interference issues between the two interfaces.
I am really excited to start playing with this, as the potential to have a full size touch screen whole house remote with all the other things that it is capable of. I need to head over to the Insteon forums and see if anyone else is working on custom apps for Android related to this as well. A few mentions of things elsewhere on these boards, but nothing really mind blowing that I have found.

[Q] I/R apps for the GT6210 ?

Has anyone had success with an app for the GT6210 I/R that is teachable? The included Peel app is over the top - it can't learn I/R codes and wants a data connection ...
I'm somewhat familiar with irdroid and LIRC but would like to see something use the built-in hardware.

I don't think we're going to see anything until there are a lot more devices with built in blasters. I agree - peel is kind of a waste. I use an xbox with windows media center, and its inability to learn is depressing.
I'd love to see logitech sell a harmony app that would turn our tab into a harmony one, but I just don't think there are enough devices like ours to make the r&d worth it just yet.
All that is to say - I haven't found anything great either.

[Q] Any hope for Silverlight on Android

I have a Galaxy Note 10.1 WiFi GT-N8013. I would like to be able to watch live television coverage from CNN. Presently, they (CNN and Google) say that their app does not work on this device and they will not advise when, or if, this problem will be resolved.
Looking for an alternative solution, I turned to some apps that still run Flash Player, such as the UC Browser. I thought that I was getting close to getting the CNN website to load within UCB (as it was mimicking a desktop version), until it requested that I install MS Silverlight. Well, so much for that.
It seems that there is no equivalent to running Silverlight on the Android platform. Apparently, some time ago, there was a Moonlight project, but that appears to have come to a permanent halt based upon what I believe to be threats of litigation from M$.
So my question is whether this project may have come back to life in a different format? I can't imagine that I am the only GT-N8013 that has an interest in using the device from time to time to watch current events on CNN (or other live media cable networks). It seems to work fine on My Droid Razr Maxx XT-912, however I assume that it works there because of also being on the LTE network.
Does anyone know what the future holds for getting Silverlight working on Android?

bookbean said:
I have a Galaxy Note 10.1 WiFi GT-N8013. I would like to be able to watch live television coverage from CNN. Presently, they (CNN and Google) say that their app does not work on this device and they will not advise when, or if, this problem will be resolved.
Looking for an alternative solution, I turned to some apps that still run Flash Player, such as the UC Browser. I thought that I was getting close to getting the CNN website to load within UCB (as it was mimicking a desktop version), until it requested that I install MS Silverlight. Well, so much for that.
It seems that there is no equivalent to running Silverlight on the Android platform. Apparently, some time ago, there was a Moonlight project, but that appears to have come to a permanent halt based upon what I believe to be threats of litigation from M$.
So my question is whether this project may have come back to life in a different format? I can't imagine that I am the only GT-N8013 that has an interest in using the device from time to time to watch current events on CNN (or other live media cable networks). It seems to work fine on My Droid Razr Maxx XT-912, however I assume that it works there because of also being on the LTE network.
Does anyone know what the future holds for getting Silverlight working on Android?
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Silverlight is a dead platform for most practical purposes. Even netflix is working to switch from it. I dont think that anyone would bother to build an Android port for it.

It's closed source from Microsoft and mono can give you a try the .net framework but not silvernight.
Sent from my Xperia Pro using xda app-developers app

8redd said:
Silverlight is a dead platform for most practical purposes. Even netflix is working to switch from it. I dont think that anyone would bother to build an Android port for it.
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That's how I understood it as well. Strange that Amazon just switched over in the past month

ziddey said:
That's how I understood it as well. Strange that Amazon just switched over in the past month
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HTML5 will be the new standard.

so there is no way having silverlight on android? for now? I need to watch some programs on my tablet

sefra3 said:
so there is no way having silverlight on android? for now? I need to watch some programs on my tablet
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Like a workaround - you can use RDP or VNC and use a "normal" computer for opening silverlight pages...

it's a year later, and Microsoft is still reluctant to give an honest answer. However, if you go to their developer web site msdn.com and click on "I build Android apps", they take you to a page that tells you why and how to port your app to Windows 8. "Windows 8 is the fastest-growing mobile OS. Your app belongs here".
In other words, Microsoft considers *Android* to be a dead platform. Silverlight is closed source, so only Microsoft can port it. I think it's safe to say the chances of them changing their minds and porting Silverlight to Android after all, when they're taking such a bath on all Windows 8 platforms, is .... zero.
Is anybody still using Silverlight for web apps in 2013? Maybe this thread is moot.

ehartwell said:
it's a year later, and Microsoft is still reluctant to give an honest answer. However, if you go to their developer web site msdn.com and click on "I build Android apps", they take you to a page that tells you why and how to port your app to Windows 8. "Windows 8 is the fastest-growing mobile OS. Your app belongs here".
In other words, Microsoft considers *Android* to be a dead platform. Silverlight is closed source, so only Microsoft can port it. I think it's safe to say the chances of them changing their minds and porting Silverlight to Android after all, when they're taking such a bath on all Windows 8 platforms, is .... zero.
Is anybody still using Silverlight for web apps in 2013? Maybe this thread is moot.
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I, too, am nneding Silverlight for my tablet. I am in a RN program that makes us test/quiz on a program called ATI that requires Silverlight to be able to answer and read test questions. I wish I had an answer for this. I know that if someone did figure this out that a great bounty would come from it. I would definitely donate.

rayandreas said:
I, too, am needing Silverlight for my tablet. I am in a RN program that makes us test/quiz on a program called ATI that requires Silverlight to be able to answer and read test questions. I wish I had an answer for this. I know that if someone did figure this out that a great bounty would come from it. I would definitely donate.
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acebeace had the best advice. Assuming you have access to a Windows PC, you can run the Silverlight app on the PC but use your tablet as a remote control: go to Google Play and search for "remote desktop". Note that there may be additional challenges if the PC and tablet aren't on the same local network; there are paid apps that handle this better. It's clear that Google is working towards their own version: see Chrome Remote Desktop.
If you don't have access to a Windows desktop, you might be able to find an online browser that supports Silverlight.
Finally, I've never tried this, but Onlive Desktop claims to have an Android app that connects to a virtual PC desktop in the cloud. Their browser was supposed to support Silverlight, but it's not clear if it actually does. Fortunately, there's a free trial.

bookbean said:
I have a Galaxy Note 10.1 WiFi GT-N8013. I would like to be able to watch live television coverage from CNN. Presently, they (CNN and Google) say that their app does not work on this device and they will not advise when, or if, this problem will be resolved.
Looking for an alternative solution, I turned to some apps that still run Flash Player, such as the UC Browser. I thought that I was getting close to getting the CNN website to load within UCB (as it was mimicking a desktop version), until it requested that I install MS Silverlight. Well, so much for that.
It seems that there is no equivalent to running Silverlight on the Android platform. Apparently, some time ago, there was a Moonlight project, but that appears to have come to a permanent halt based upon what I believe to be threats of litigation from M$.
So my question is whether this project may have come back to life in a different format? I can't imagine that I am the only GT-N8013 that has an interest in using the device from time to time to watch current events on CNN (or other live media cable networks). It seems to work fine on My Droid Razr Maxx XT-912, however I assume that it works there because of also being on the LTE network.
Does anyone know what the future holds for getting Silverlight working on Android?
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Did you guys heard about "Moonlight" project?
Source: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1207785

venki5star said:
Did you guys heard about "Moonlight" project?
Source: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1207785
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the more I use this Sony Xperia tablet the more I realise I should have purchased a pc......

Re-compiling Pipelight
Hi,
I have just been reading about a open-source project called pipelight and just thought that this could be re-compiled and used with ARM based devices (such as tablets).
If this is posible then you could have silverlight on tablets, alternatively re-compile moonlight (only problem with moonlight is that there is no DRM support).

Silverlight on android
Dear Medworthy
That gives us hope.
If you now more of this solution let us now.
Regards
Pierre:fingers-crossed:
medworthy said:
Hi,
I have just been reading about a open-source project called pipelight and just thought that this could be re-compiled and used with ARM based devices (such as tablets).
If this is posible then you could have silverlight on tablets, alternatively re-compile moonlight (only problem with moonlight is that there is no DRM support).
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medworthy said:
Hi,
I have just been reading about a open-source project called pipelight and just thought that this could be re-compiled and used with ARM based devices (such as tablets).
If this is posible then you could have silverlight on tablets, alternatively re-compile moonlight (only problem with moonlight is that there is no DRM support).
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amandus88 said:
Dear Medworthy
That gives us hope.
If you now more of this solution let us now.
Regards
Pierre:fingers-crossed:
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Pipelight uses Wine to run Silverlight on Linux based OSes. While there is some work being done to run Wine on Android, the binaries for Silverlight would still need to be rewritten for ARM. These aren't open source, I think it's way too simplistic to think those could be just "compiled" for ARM.
Unfortunately, I think we'll just have to wait until HTML5 completely supports DRM and the content providers make that switch. It's very irritating to see how they've chosen such a biased and proprietary system at the moment.

ehartwell said:
it's a year later, and Microsoft is still reluctant to give an honest answer. However, if you go to their developer web site msdn.com and click on "I build Android apps", they take you to a page that tells you why and how to port your app to Windows 8. "Windows 8 is the fastest-growing mobile OS. Your app belongs here".
In other words, Microsoft considers *Android* to be a dead platform. Silverlight is closed source, so only Microsoft can port it. I think it's safe to say the chances of them changing their minds and porting Silverlight to Android after all, when they're taking such a bath on all Windows 8 platforms, is .... zero.
Is anybody still using Silverlight for web apps in 2013? Maybe this thread is moot.
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I need silverlight on my HTC one for my school timetable :/

Silverlight Android
Not in a position to try this at the moment but pls see:
http://gizmodo.com/5037919/skyfire-...icrosoft-silverlight-plus-100-more-beta-codes
and report back if it works.
Cheers
bookbean said:
I have a Galaxy Note 10.1 WiFi GT-N8013. I would like to be able to watch live television coverage from CNN. Presently, they (CNN and Google) say that their app does not work on this device and they will not advise when, or if, this problem will be resolved.
Looking for an alternative solution, I turned to some apps that still run Flash Player, such as the UC Browser. I thought that I was getting close to getting the CNN website to load within UCB (as it was mimicking a desktop version), until it requested that I install MS Silverlight. Well, so much for that.
It seems that there is no equivalent to running Silverlight on the Android platform. Apparently, some time ago, there was a Moonlight project, but that appears to have come to a permanent halt based upon what I believe to be threats of litigation from M$.
So my question is whether this project may have come back to life in a different format? I can't imagine that I am the only GT-N8013 that has an interest in using the device from time to time to watch current events on CNN (or other live media cable networks). It seems to work fine on My Droid Razr Maxx XT-912, however I assume that it works there because of also being on the LTE network.
Does anyone know what the future holds for getting Silverlight working on Android?
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Silverlight on Android
This has now become a mute subject for me. I have given up on the CNN app in favor of Xfinity's app which works great. Not only can I watch CNN, I can now watch pretty much anything that I get on my TV.

opera
if this help...i use opera-browser(not opera-mini) on my android, because silverlight based sites works...

lorvix said:
if this help...i use opera-browser(not opera-mini) on my android, because silverlight based sites works...
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they dont ~ or well at least sky go etc doesnt work

Q: Android dongle and Digital Signage

Hello
I am currently working on a project that requires digital signage. I was hoping that a combination with a android dongle (ideally with eth port) and some sort of software would work. has anyone got any real life experiences with this sort of setup and what could you recommend? All i need it to do is to refresh a website with stats, monitoring as well as display RSS feeds and so on. I know about Xibo but not sure how easy this would be to use.
any recommendation on hardware / software would be greatly appreciated.

I can help
Are you using a monitor or tv for this? How big are you going to go? P.M. Me with some more specifics. I have experimented with this and have a few good setups. The main consideration would be How Much do you want to spend?
Rick

I don't know if it would fit your needs, but check out RiseVision for a no-charge signage solution. They also sell hardware, but that's not a requirement to run their software for free as the source of your signage. They have software clients for Linux, Windows and Chromebook and you can find 3rd-party apps on the Play Store to run on Android.
I'm still looking for a nice, inexpensive Android Stick to hook up my account to a TV. So far, I've tried it on a Windows PC and a Nexus7 and both work great.

SideWynder said:
I don't know if it would fit your needs, but check out RiseVision for a no-charge signage solution. They also sell hardware, but that's not a requirement to run their software for free as the source of your signage. They have software clients for Linux, Windows and Chromebook and you can find 3rd-party apps on the Play Store to run on Android.
I'm still looking for a nice, inexpensive Android Stick to hook up my account to a TV. So far, I've tried it on a Windows PC and a Nexus7 and both work great.
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thanks for the responses... We will be using Samsung DM48D screens which are magic info enabled as well. At present i am playing around with Xibo and a Dell Wyse Cloud connect dongle.
Ideally I want to control the android dongle as well but I have yet to find a way to root the Wyse CC dongle and stick a VNC server on it or similar. The RiseVision is a great idea however the information (sales stats dashboards) we want to display are sensitive and not externally available hence a cloud solution wouldn't work I believe.

holgmaster said:
Hello
I am currently working on a project that requires digital signage. I was hoping that a combination with a android dongle (ideally with eth port) and some sort of software would work. has anyone got any real life experiences with this sort of setup and what could you recommend? All i need it to do is to refresh a website with stats, monitoring as well as display RSS feeds and so on. I know about Xibo but not sure how easy this would be to use.
any recommendation on hardware / software would be greatly appreciated.
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PQ Labs with their iStick range specialise in Android sticks for signage and they also produce one with an ethernet port.

Could be dont using cloud-based Content Management System
All you need is a web-based content management system like "MobiLock Presentations" that allows you to monitor and control single or a fleet of digital signage displays right from a desktop or laptop.