On my evo shift why would the sensor to the left of the speaker grill stop flashing for notifications such as sms/mms, missed calls etc. Now that it has stopped, the led under the speaker grill on the right, which was just the charging led, flashes for my notifications. Because of this, I no longer have two led notification lights so if my phone is charging i now have to turn on my screen to check notifications.
Ive tried calling Sprint three times. I was told to take the phone to sprint and have them check it out and install a previous software version. I went to sprint told them about my problem an how the tech made a note on my account. they said they did not do that there and said id have to go to the other sprint store down the street. When i got there, they seemed clueless about loading software or anything for that matter manually. Ive tried factory resetting and everything else I can think off. I bought 2 evo shifts with a new contract that had 2.3.3os out of box and a few days later checked for updates. Im not sure what the software number was before but after i updated it was 2.76.651.5(now.6) the same problem is happening with the second shift also.
Is this like unheard of to everyone? Ive looked every where about this problem and im not seeing anything at all about anyones proximity sensor ever even flashing for notifications.
What looks like a led on the left of the speaker grill is actually the proximity sensor, when you put the phone to your ear it turns the screen off so you don't open an app or hang up on the person you are talking to accidentally. The notification led is the one located to the right of the speaker grill.
Without them(developers) this place would not be called *Insert You Device Forum Name Here* but something else, e.g Mobile Phone & Tablet User Support Services For Ungrateful Nerds.
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Yeah the sensor has never flashed for me,my girl and my homie, all we have had is the orange charge light/green notification light to the right of the speaker grill.....
Shifted to the extreme, cause I rawk Supreme
FdxRider said:
What looks like a led on the left of the speaker grill is actually the proximity sensor, when you put the phone to your ear it turns the screen off so you don't open an app or hang up on the person you are talking to accidentally. The notification led is the one located to the right of the speaker grill.
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I know what it is and does, but what I am saying is that on both the evo shifts I bought, the proximity sensor acted as an actual led notification light. it flashed a bright green for every notification while the actual led notification light was only lighting/flashing orange and turning solid green to be charged,charging and finally when its fully charged. the proximity sensor would flash even when plugged in while the real led was being used for the charging light. I swear im not lying about any of this lol.
Well unless HTC has changed the sensor in newer makes thats not the way mine and others phones works so Guess you had a different phone. Try taking it to sprint repair and see what bthey tellyou . Good Luck
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FdxRider said:
Try taking it to sprint repair and see what bthey tellyou . Good Luck
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Lmao They looked at me like I was nuts.
I bought the two phones in late October. They both came with 2.3 out of the box. The proximity sensor acted as a second notification light for about a week after I decided to go into settings and check for updates and applied them which caused this to stop. Ive tried everything I could think of to get it to do it again but I cant find anything.
Im hoping someone here could help me look more into this and try to make it possible again.
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Hopefully since the sensor CAN and at one time did emit a green flash for notifications, can someone out there please figure out how to make it happen again. I don't really know anything about developing so I sadly can't do it myself...
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Lmao They looked at me like I was nuts.
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...because the proximity sensor has never acted as a notification LED on any ROM. Sorry.
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...because the proximity sensor has never acted as a notification LED on any ROM. Sorry.
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grr, Okay, I know Im a newly registered user here and I havnt posted enough for you or the other members here to get to know me but Im being 100% honest about this guys. If this means anything, I swear on my daughters life and my mothers gave who has passed away that when I started my contract with 2 lines an 2 brand new evo shifts with 2.3 out of box that this really happened. The sensor flashed for notifications until about a week later when I performed the firmware, profile,prl and software update. It didnt even act like the prox. sensor should during calls until after the updates. And this was weeks before i even rooted the phones, they were completely stock.
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grr, Okay, I know Im a newly registered user here and I havnt posted enough for you or the other members here to get to know me but Im being 100% honest about this guys. If this means anything, I swear on my daughters life and my mothers gave who has passed away that when I started my contract with 2 lines an 2 brand new evo shifts with 2.3 out of box that this really happened. The sensor flashed for notifications until about a week later when I performed the firmware, profile,prl and software update. It didnt even act like the prox. sensor should during calls until after the updates. And this was weeks before i even rooted the phones, they were completely stock.
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You must have gotten a very very special shift and seeing as none of us have ever had a special shift like you i doubt we would even know where to begin on helping you fix your problem . You now have a normal shift thats not special anymore which is a shame... Not trying to be mean or sarcastic by any means
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You must have gotten a very very special shift and seeing as none of us have ever had a special shift like you i doubt we would even know where to begin on helping you fix your problem . You now have a normal shift thats not special anymore which is a shame... Not trying to be mean or sarcastic by any means
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Right...
Okay fine, I give up. It seems no one here wants to believe this for whatever reason. >.< What would be the point in posting all this if it wasn't true?
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toast1224 said:
Right...
Okay fine, I give up. It seems no one here wants to believe this for whatever reason. >.< What would be the point in posting all this if it wasn't true?
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Dude i believe you, but seeing as none of our shifts have ever done that i don't think we would know where to begin on helping you. Take what i said however you want but i really wasn't trying to be mean or sarcastic cause i'm not the type of person to do that seeing as i don't know as much as everyone else on here about android
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ok im not that new to flashing i have flashed about 6 or 7 roms on my phone in the past. today i was running dutty's V4 and i have been running it since it came out to the public and today i went to read a txt message and the phone blacks out and i get a red light at the top but its only there when the phone is on a charger. i can not restart the phone at all.
dont know if it helps but i was running Dutty V4 with cube enabled also running s2u2 and thats about it as far as stuff that was running other than the rom itself. i really hope there is a fix to this. i have already tried to reflash but device is not found.
well crap... i hear the red light be nicknamed the red light of death... i hope to god there is a way around this... if not would att know i reflashed something else if i went in and started to complain?
i had a similar thing with my orange uk keiser and i just got orange to ghange it for a new one. that was over a month ago now and i have had no questions so far. if you cant get it to work then they cant either
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ok im not that new to flashing i have flashed about 6 or 7 roms on my phone in the past. today i was running dutty's V4 and i have been running it since it came out to the public and today i went to read a txt message and the phone blacks out and i get a red light at the top but its only there when the phone is on a charger. i can not restart the phone at all.
dont know if it helps but i was running Dutty V4 with cube enabled also running s2u2 and thats about it as far as stuff that was running other than the rom itself. i really hope there is a fix to this. i have already tried to reflash but device is not found.
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Have you tried to put it in Boot Loader mode? Can you do a hard re-set?
As posted above, this is referred to as "red light of death" - RLoD.
Rzanology had a potential fix for this involving removing battery cover and pumping battery up and down on battery contacts (battery cpr), that appeared to work for some folks - tried to find the thread but was unsuccessful. You might try pm'ing him.
If you are unable to resuscitate your device, most have simply returned it. Good luck!
apologies for the hijack (and sorry to hear that you're having problems) but I've always wondered what they check when you send it back for a fault repair.
Just wondering how many people have sent back their phones with hardSPL and custom roms still installed
well if it totally dead don't worry about sending it back with custom things flashed to it. most of the time they just hook it up to a charger and see if it will turn on and if not throw it in a bin of other messed up kaisers. I'm sure HTC knows about the red light of death and what makes it happen.
no biggie on the hijack
well im stil standing in att but obviously since im sending this I got a new phone. they tried to give me a loaner until they sent mine for repairs but when they offered me a 89.00 phone I laughed and told them my kaiser is worth more as a paer weight and that I run my bar from my phone and that their loaner wouldn't cut it. they then offered my an iPhone to replace it, telling me its a beter phone anyhow so I went to the magazine stand across the isle and showed the a mobile power magizine that has the tilt listed higher and also told them that I needed my 3g internet and also said look if ur willing to give me an IPhone why not a tilt. after about 10 mins talking to me I got my new tilt.
now omg I can not wait to get the htc today screen back and opera. ie sucks
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well if it totally dead don't worry about sending it back with custom things flashed to it. most of the time they just hook it up to a charger and see if it will turn on and if not throw it in a bin of other messed up kaisers. I'm sure HTC knows about the red light of death and what makes it happen.
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So if I properly brick it they'll probably just replace it? Is there a guide on bricking anywhere
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they then offered my an iPhone
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bah... ruddy kiddes toy
apperently I dotn have trouble bricking one so just pretend ur me...but tbh if u want to brick it completely I would just replace the fuse in ur car charger with a much higher one and crank juice into the phone... but don't put too much into it burn chipsets smell horrible.
the microwave for 1 minute does wonders for bricking phones not that I would know that for fact though
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the microwave for 1 minute does wonders for bricking phones not that I would know that for fact though
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Not the old microwave trick - wasn't it you who posted this in Hermes thread a few months ago?
Phone insurance which covers "accidental" damage is a good move, although you will probably need to pay a small excess. I managed to push the usb port inside my universal a couple of years ago and got a straight swap. If you dropped it (from a height onto a concrete floor) I'm sure no one would even try to turn it on. Alternatively have a run in with a stranger in a hoody on a dark night, get a crime number and no one will even have your phone to check for HardSPL or custom roms
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So if I properly brick it they'll probably just replace it? Is there a guide on bricking anywhere
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As mentioned in the other thread (no I'm not going to search for it. ) the only thing AT&T cares about is if the water sensor has been tripped (little white square under the battery permanently changes color when wet), or if there is obvious physical damage/abuse. Apparently they can't get past the RLoD either. As an aside I'd really love to know what the RLoD return rate is...
So, given those constraints the other thread's conclusion was that 12v across the battery/charge contacts should permanently brick it quite nicely. Just watch out for arcing.
THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT THE FLASH IMAGE AT THE TIME HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE RLoD. It appears to be a hardware problem, and no-one here has reported an issue with a returned RLoD Tilt or Kaiser with a 3rd party flash image loaded.
In my case I also had to wait a few days to get the replacement units unlock code because apparently the IMEI was so new it wasn't in the database according to the service drone. Which suggests that AT&T is using a table of unlock codes from HTC rather than a piece of software to generate the codes. Now that we have an unlocker and "Super CID" program available, it's moot anyway. (Good karma wishes jockyw2001!)
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gimini said:
well crap... i hear the red light be nicknamed the red light of death... i hope to god there is a way around this... if not would att know i reflashed something else if i went in and started to complain?
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My Tilt hasn't gotten messed up yet. But I have return 2 8125's and 1 8525 back in the days and I sent them back with custom roms. AT&T never complain or anything like that.
My bad, it wasn't Rzanology, it was sWuRv (that avatar freaks me out).
Here's the thread in case it happens again...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=358136
No notification light?
Ok wtf...
Not even a running charge indicator, no notification light? I mean it was so awesome on the nexus one and most every other android device with some form of glowing indicator light...
Now i dont know if a message or anything is waiting i have to keep turning on the phone. What a pain... Cant put a led in there somewhere?
Or is my phone screwed up?
Also, on two phone calls tonight the phone shut down and restarted...............
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Ok wtf...
Not even a running charge indicator, no notification light? I mean it was so awesome on the nexus one and most every other android device with some form of glowing indicator light...
Now i dont know if a message or anything is waiting i have to keep turning on the phone. What a pain... Cant put a led in there somewhere?
Or is my phone screwed up?
Also, on two phone calls tonight the phone shut down and restarted...............
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Download the NoLED app from the market
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Ok wtf...
Not even a running charge indicator, no notification light? I mean it was so awesome on the nexus one and most every other android device with some form of glowing indicator light...
Now i dont know if a message or anything is waiting i have to keep turning on the phone. What a pain... Cant put a led in there somewhere?
Or is my phone screwed up?
Also, on two phone calls tonight the phone shut down and restarted...............
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Welcome to life with a Samsung phone...
OK very cool thanks. Coming from a nexus one I would have never known about that.
Can we get swipe keyboard or something. The gingerbread one is so tiny feeling
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Welcome to life with a Samsung phone...
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Yeah. I kinda love HTC
This is my first non HTC phone since the first g1. Had a click but that pretty much went into the wall with that motoblur crap crashing all the time.
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OK very cool thanks. Coming from a nexus one I would have never known about that.
Can we get swipe keyboard or something. The gingerbread one is so tiny feeling
Yeah. I kinda love HTC
This is my first non HTC phone since the first g1. Had a click but that pretty much went into the wall with that motoblur crap crashing all the time.
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I dont have a NS yet...I have been reading the boards and trying to decide if I want one but I have a Fascinate and since its been rooted and debinged its a good phone but stock it was crap. I use something called BLN to notify me when I have a text or email. It lights up your buttons at the bottom. Its in the market but I think your rom has to be made to use it..I'm not sure about that but you might want to investigate that...it works better than NoLED.
I have no led running now. It works. I have it set to blink So it flashes the TV off animation which is cool.
Honestly. If You already have a galaxy s phone don't bother with the ns. I had my n1 since the day it came out I needed a new phone. There are many things ivwill miss about it. Like the desktop doc.....
More threads about this? Really? Can we have a mod lock this please...
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I have no led running now. It works. I have it set to blink So it flashes the TV off animation which is cool.
Honestly. If You already have a galaxy s phone don't bother with the ns. I had my n1 since the day it came out I needed a new phone. There are many things ivwill miss about it. Like the desktop doc.....
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Thats kinda what I been thinking...
Best buy couldn't get my upgrade info so I paid full pop. Was on phone with t mobile and bestbuys system couldn't get it happening so I can still get another phone suplimented. Tried a mytouch 4g but returned it. So much t-mobile garbage on it plus gotta pay for wifi teather
BLN ftw, wait for a kernel that implements BackLightNotifications and then download Blinky which makes your softkey's blink ever few seconds when you get notifications.
So awesome. 3 out of 4 calls ended with the phone restarting
Sounds you guys are having even more trouble than Galaxy S phones, I hope it gets sorted out soon.
I can deal with a dropped call but having the phone restart wtf.... I may un install everything and go from there adding one app at a time
When the phone is off if you click the power button it will show you if you phone is still charging or not
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"Thx" Samsung
Darrien13 said:
When the phone is off if you click the power button it will show you if you phone is still charging or not
Sent from my Nexus S using XDA App
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well yes... that works for everything... but why should I take the time out of my day to reach out and touch something when I could just glance at it and not move my arms????????
Is it me or am i tripp'n..I SWEAR that it looks like it's an LED light on the left of the MIC...i dunno if i'm just hope'n for something thats not there..but it looks like it's in there but i dunno
Or atleast where it should of been
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Is it me or am i tripp'n..I SWEAR that it looks like it's an LED light on the left of the MIC...i dunno if i'm just hope'n for something thats not there..but it looks like it's in there but i dunno
Or atleast where it should of been
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Left hole (circle) is the proximity sensor. Right hole (oval kinda) is the ambient light sensor. Hope this helps.
Does this phone even have a led notification light? thats the dots next to the earpiece right?
I ask because on my phone, i never get any LED flashing notifications when i receive a text, email, miss phone call, or etc.
Ive searched all throughout my settings but to no avail.. help?
Thats not an LED. It doesnt have one! Search. Its been discussed over and over again
Does anyone elses LED stop blinking for notifications shortly after it starts? I was hoping it would continue to blink until i check the message or what not.
Yep. Not sure why but it seems hit or miss on the LED.
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is there anyway to bake this into the a ROM? It would really be nice to have it continue to blink so i dont have to turn my screen on in order to see if i have a missed message/call/etc
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is there anyway to bake this into the a ROM? It would really be nice to have it continue to blink so i dont have to turn my screen on in order to see if i have a missed message/call/etc
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O yeah dude. The source code is out and has been released! We have the POWER!!! Just be patient and stay tuned, for the fun is about to begin.
nice !
sometimes i get LED and other times i dont
Me 2. Generally surprised to see if but I constaly have messages but no led. Cm7, thought it was just not working with the aosp messanger but its been blinking all day on cue today.....
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Yeah it's a little baffling how they setup the LED notifs, I'm hoping someone will fix/update/change that quickly. I've had the phone for two weeks and I still an not sure which blinking LED means what specifically.
Sire note, I'm also getting random vibrates which happen with no notifs at all and it's a little worrisome from a "what in the hell is the phone doing" standpoint but overall I love this phone.
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Yeah it's a little baffling how they setup the LED notifs, I'm hoping someone will fix/update/change that quickly. I've had the phone for two weeks and I still an not sure which blinking LED means what specifically.
Sire note, I'm also getting random vibrates which happen with no notifs at all and it's a little worrisome from a "what in the hell is the phone doing" standpoint but overall I love this phone.
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I have had that before too, thought I was going crazy
Glad to see this is a sought after feature. Maybe I'll work with some devs and see what can happen.
Ok,
So my home row buttons (Menu, Home, Back, Search) do not light up as they should! if the room is dark they will not work at all! and ive never seen them work in a dark room! However every day in the late afternoon when im in my living room and the phone is charging they will just light up! (at first i though it was a refection or just ambient light in the room so i grabbed the phone and ran into my closet and WOW they light up!) so i figured it was something with my settings so i reset my phone to new and still same problem, then said WTH and rooted and updated to 2.3.4 (best thing ive done with it so far!) and have the exact same problem... So then i decided to try another charge (brand new out of the box 1 day old!) and the lights will do the same and light up when its moderately light in the room but then they wont turn off...
So a chat with samsung and they tell me that these phones dont have that feature! so off to verizon and lets test a few more devices!!! and what? at some point they lit up also in inappropriate lighting conditions, so after puzzled VZW people i consult samsung again and they tell me yet again that the featured isnt offered on this phone, so my guess is that its a software flaw?
any ideas?
anyone having lighting issues?
thanks
Wow, that's a lot of exclamation points. I don't know what you're talking about, mine work fine
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Here are 2 pictures that show what im talking about, i will try to get a few more
Odd, works fine for me. Is it possible that you have a screen protector covering your light sensor? In the day time the back lights are off, then if I cover the light sensor they come right on.
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So my home row buttons (Menu, Home, Back, Search) do not light up as they should! if the room is dark they will not work at all! and ive never seen them work in a dark room! However every day in the late afternoon when im in my living room and the phone is charging they will just light up! (at first i though it was a refection or just ambient light in the room so i grabbed the phone and ran into my closet and WOW they light up!) so i figured it was something with my settings so i reset my phone to new and still same problem, then said WTH and rooted and updated to 2.3.4 (best thing ive done with it so far!) and have the exact same problem... So then i decided to try another charge (brand new out of the box 1 day old!) and the lights will do the same and light up when its moderately light in the room but then they wont turn off...
So a chat with samsung and they tell me that these phones dont have that feature! so off to verizon and lets test a few more devices!!! and what? at some point they lit up also in inappropriate lighting conditions, so after puzzled VZW people i consult samsung again and they tell me yet again that the featured isnt offered on this phone, so my guess is that its a software flaw?
any ideas?
anyone having lighting issues?
thanks
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The light sensors (which controls auto brightness and the backlights on the hardkey) is broken in the kernel for Gingerbread..
If this is a huge issue for you you might want to consider going back to Froyo
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The light sensors (which controls auto brightness and the backlights on the hardkey) is broken in the kernel for Gingerbread..
If this is a huge issue for you you might want to consider going back to Froyo
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But he said it happened with the new phone and the verizon display one...?
Sent from my Droid Charge running Humble 1.42
It might even be broken on the stock Froyo. All the people who said it's working fine for them right now are running custom ROMs, kernels, firmwares and all that jazz. Maybe it was fixed through one of these custom updates. I dunno.
I just got a brand new Charge (thanks to the Fascinate swap program).
The bottom buttons do not light up. This is fresh out of the box.
I also do not see any way in which they would light up - the icons appear to be painted on to the physical buttons. No underlay for LED backlight.. but I suppose there is one if custom ROMs allow for it.
Which I will know shortly
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blarrick said:
Odd, works fine for me. Is it possible that you have a screen protector covering your light sensor? In the day time the back lights are off, then if I cover the light sensor they come right on.
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there is no screen protector or case on either of the phones, and both phones were cleaned well to make sure nothing was hindering the sensors.
[/QUOTE]The light sensors (which controls auto brightness and the backlights on the hardkey) is broken in the kernel for Gingerbread..
If this is a huge issue for you you might want to consider going back to Froyo[/QUOTE]
The problem is not only to the one that is rooted and flashed but also happens to the 2 at verizon that i inspected (brand new out of the box) and the 2nd one that i have that is also brand new with no mods
[/QUOTE]It might even be broken on the stock Froyo. All the people who said it's working fine for them right now are running custom ROMs, kernels, firmwares and all that jazz. Maybe it was fixed through one of these custom updates. I dunno.[/QUOTE]
I think that the kernel for this phone was just snatched and quickly edited (by samsung) from another product and this is one thing that they havent been able to fix and figure out, because the woman at samsung told me
(Ruby: As your phone has physical keypads, there is no light feature available for keys.
Visitor: the small row of buttons (4 to be exact) at the bottom of the phone should be back lit in low light situations, however they occasionally light up but only in moderately to brightly light rooms
Ruby: I am sorry, there is no feature available on your phone.
Visitor: im sorry but i can prove that this phone does have back lit keys
Ruby: I am sorry, your phone home key rows do not have light option)
but we all know that the button do actually have a lighting option and samsung is just trying to delete the function but isnt 100% successful..
I don't know what to say, they work properly for me. This includes when I was fully stock EE4, as well as now (deodexed, rooted ROM, PBJ kernel, voodoo enabled).
droid charge doesnt have backilights in the keys.. wth are you all talking about... no wait there they are! barely. what th! where did they go again?
Stock froyo from the factory... Daylight = button lights off; sensor covered (night) = button lights on.
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my girlfriend dropped her shift into a cup of water and after it dried out everything still works the only problem is the led light is constantly on from the second the battery gets put in...it even comes on if the charger is plugged in and the battery is out...so my question is if i root her phone and go into titanium backup is there an app i can uninstall to completely disable the led light?
Im sure you could uninstall the flashlight app but it dont sound like that will fix the issue because if the led is on before the system even boots something got fried
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youngweezy89 said:
my girlfriend dropped her shift into a cup of water and after it dried out everything still works the only problem is the led light is constantly on from the second the battery gets put in...it even comes on if the charger is plugged in and the battery is out...so my question is if i root her phone and go into titanium backup is there an app i can uninstall to completely disable the led light?
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Sounds like a short circuit. I hope you have TEP.
shes gonna get a new one anyway i just didnt know if there was something i could do to fix it till then...thanks tho
youngweezy89 said:
shes gonna get a new one anyway i just didnt know if there was something i could do to fix it till then...thanks tho
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Try downloading the torch app and see if you can toggle it on and off. Only thing you can do.
Already went through the same thing with a HERO, an EVO 4G. Something got messed up, trust me. Better to just have it replaced. Both the HERO and the EVO where good for a while, than started having all kinds of issues. TEP it and be safe. The EVO4G did the LED light thing.
sorry i never heard TEP before...wats that?
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sorry i never heard TEP before...wats that?
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Total Equipment protection. Go on the sprint website and try to add it. You missed the boat for open enroll ment in August and September so good luck, hope you can add it. It's another $8 month and covers theft and liquid damage.
oh yea i already have it on both my phones i just never heard it short like that...thnx