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We can effect change! - Petition to VZW

This is a copy and paste from the HTC Rezound Forums. However, this effects us all. Carrier restrictions need to be removed from all devices.
Please read sign, and share the following petition.
http://www.groubal.com/verizon-wirel...-your-network/
With enough signatures, this can work. This is the same method that was used with HTC and resulted in the acknowledgement by the CEO, and the promise of unlocked boot loaders for all phones from now on.
Verizon is trying to protect us from ourselves, they claim that allowing the phones to be unlocked would "hurt" us, as we would not be able to get "excellent customer service" should we ever need troubleshooting advice from them.
We all know that we understand the risk associated custom software and roms, as well as unlocking and changing critical software. We can choose to participate, or choose to leave our phones as Verizon shipped them.
We want the ability to CHOOSE what we do with our phones, not to have VZW protect us from ourselves. Giving us the option to unlock is not the same as shipping the phones in an unlocked state... We simply want the option.
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Link is broken.

Unlocked bootloader or unlocked from carrier? It's my understanding that unlocking from carrier wouldn't make a difference - VZW's network is different from the others, including Spring (beyond CDMA vs. GSM, LTE vs. HSPA+, etc), so a VZW phone wouldn't work on Sprint. I might be wrong, but that's what I've heard.

I have VZW and I am totally game to sign the petition but the link is still broken.

Verizon just gave us the middle finger.

http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/10/samsung-brings-out-galaxy-s-iii-developer-edition-for-verizon/
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Who is this for?
Samsung and Verizon Wireless recognize that there are many enthusiasts and professional developers that are interested in customizing their device with third-party ROM software. Unlocking the bootloader can put the stability of the phone in jeopardy; therefore, only experienced developers should attempt to unlock the bootloader.
What about the other carriers?
Other versions of the Galaxy S III are sold with a user-unlockable bootloader as a standard feature. Those models are available directly from the respective carriers.
Where can I buy the Galaxy S III Developer Edition?
The Developer Edition will be sold online directly from Samsung. When the device is available for purchase, it will be sold through the Samsung developer portal at developer.samsung.com
Why is Verizon Wireless' version locked?
Depending on the device, an open boot loader could prevent Verizon Wireless from providing the same level of customer experience and support because it would allow users to change the phone or otherwise modify the software and, potentially, negatively impact how the phone connects with the network. The addition of unapproved software could also negatively impact the wireless experience for other customers. Unlocking the device also voids the warranty.
Has Samsung always unlocked the bootloader on its phones?
While not all previous Samsung Android devices have had an easily unlockable bootloader, all of our other current Galaxy S III flagship lineup, and all Nexus-branded devices, support the standard bootloader unlocking procedure.
What happens if I load custom software and damage ("brick") my phone?
Problems caused by your unlocking the bootloader and installing custom software will not be covered by the warranty. Problems with third-party and customized bootloader software can cause irreparable harm to the Galaxy S III. Users interested in performing these actions should proceed with caution and at their own risk. Out of warranty Galaxy S III Developer Edition devices will be serviced directly through Samsung, and service charges will apply.
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Who's up for burning down some Verizon stores?

agreed. an absolute joke!?!?

Does NOT belong in the development forum!
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Normally I'd say it doesn't belong on the development forum, but this is obviously a very hot development-associated topic, and devs and followers are all interested in any updates regarding the bootloader status. This is important because it has implications for devs working to unlock the regular citizen's version--with an unlocked phone to play with, they'll be able to attack from the other side as well.

Boy did they give the the middle finger. So unlocked bootloaders and difrrent roms mess up the system, So they give us a locked bootloader and say its Samsungs falt but then let them sell us a unlocked bootloader phone and say its ok to use on your network. Thats some ****ed up ****

if samsung did this right tho, they would give us the key to unlocking the bootloaders for the verizon phones that have locked ones. leaving us with a $249-$300 phones that have unlocked bootloaders, compared to almost full retail. but that could never happen could it? (;

cadams122593 said:
if samsung did this right tho, they would give us the key to unlocking the bootloaders for the verizon phones that have locked ones. leaving us with a $249-$300 phones that have unlocked bootloaders, compared to almost full retail. but that could never happen could it? (;
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Maybe this is samsungs way of saying f-u verizon lol

Locked

Damn I really feel bad for you guys.
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Mr.Highway said:
Locked
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unlocked
yeah, that really sucks. looks to me like jumbo mumbo they are making up to they 'gave a response'

Let them know what you think of their policy with your wallet. I will never be a Verizon customer.
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Any chance devs can take the boot loader from this dev phone and put it on the regular S3?

K.AuthoR said:
http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/10/samsung-brings-out-galaxy-s-iii-developer-edition-for-verizon/
Who's up for burning down some Verizon stores?
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Please retain from smoking bath salts. That's all I ask.

dreamsti said:
Any chance devs can take the boot loader from this dev phone and put it on the regular S3?
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I suppose that's the million dollar question. If that happens, great. Then everybody sort of comes out happy with their phones.

cadams122593 said:
if samsung did this right tho, they would give us the key to unlocking the bootloaders for the verizon phones that have locked ones. leaving us with a $249-$300 phones that have unlocked bootloaders, compared to almost full retail. but that could never happen could it? (;
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What if Samsung, doesn't have the keys to give us? What if Verizon generated the keys, signed the boot, and then flashed our phones?

I just wanted to say how TROLOLOL this is, I feel bad for you guys on Verizon but I do find it kind of amusing, Verizon pulled this same sh*t with the Droid Razr, that shipped with a Locked BL and what was the answer have Moto offer a no warranty Dev Version...same thing just a diff manufacturer.

I do think its stupid of VZ for locking it down the way they did. But, it is a device thats used on their network, and if thats what they want to do, than so be it.
We all have seen it time and time again, a warranty claim for a bricked phone. We drove them to doing this. And, there will be a developer phone.
I will miss all the flashing I use to do. Even stock, this phone rocks. I dont think they are giving us the finger, I think they looking out for their best interests for the most part.

they should unlock it for us if we ask them and sig somthing saying if we **** it up then were ****ed and have to buy a new one. i have no proubs with that

another unlock thread

My mother had given me her old Inspire as she's changed carriers. I am actually on Verizon and have the Rezound so figured I'd send this Inspire to a family member in England. Obviously, the phone has to be unlocked. I know you can do the root/S-OFF bit & unlock it that way(at least that's what I've heard) but figured I'd see if I could just get AT&T to povide the unlock code.
Anyway, I call AT&T and explain the same thing as above and they told me that HTC has to do it. So, I emailed HTC and received a response stating that they give the unlock codes to the carrier, blah blah blah & that I'd have to get the code from AT&T. I called AT&T again & told them what HTC said and then they threw the "since you're not an AT&T customer..." card at me and insisted it's HTC's responsibility.
I replied back to HTC's email informing them of the b.s. AT&T is giving me and asking them to take responsibility since it's an HTC device & that I'm legally entitled to have my phone unlocked. They never got back to my email. So I'm going to file a complaint against them with the FCC(and AT&T). I highly doubt anything will come of it and I'll have to get the phone unlocked on my own... Just angry at this whole "locked" crap and how you get bounced around if you want something "unlocked".

Everything you need to do it yourself can be found here. If the phone has the older sense 2.1 Rom then just follow normal hack kit instructions. If it has the new sense 3.0 then you will have to follow the HTC dev unlock process.
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If your mother would have asked AT&T to unlock it while she was still a customer, they probably would have. There's nothing the FCC can do to make AT&T unlock it. It is an AT&T branded device and they are not required to allow you to unlock it. HTC is the hardware manufacturer, the lock has to do with the software, which belongs to AT&T. Rooting is a better option anyway.

Call and complain about the bootloader

Here's what I think we should do, and I'm sure some people will say it won't work and they are probably right. We should all set a universal time sometime this week, such as Friday, to call Verizon and ask for bootloader unlocks. I have found out recently that for some employees Verizon had Samsung bootloader unlock their non-dev phone. I have spent the last hour *****ing at Samsung and Verizon.
Here's the facts.
Samsung can unlock it with a file they already have
Verizon has to request it
Verizon says they don't want a bootloader unlocked phone on their network but then told Samsung to make a developer edition. Samsung did not sneak and build a dev phone like Verizon makes it sound, Samsung was told to build it.
Samsung doesn't even care to unlock it, their not just cause of Verizon's order not to.
Certain Verizon employes have recieved the unlock(not for personal reasons)
I say we all call in the same hour and raise hell and maybe they'll hear that we are more than just a few people. Even if everyone doesn't want to do this I will keep calling them and wasteing their time. Having an unlocked phone is a big deal to me and the fact that their employees are allowed to blows my ****ing mind. They think it's ok for their own guys to develope but not us!? Are you ****in kidding me?
So like I said I will keep wasting their time. For you all thinking that I'm also wasting my time? Your right, and I would rather waste it aggravating them than wasting it looking for bootloader unlock updates that will never come. Just like the current S4 and S3 bootloader.

shootind5nukes said:
Here's what I think we should do, and I'm sure some people will say it won't work and they are probably right. We should all set a universal time sometime this week, such as Friday, to call Verizon and ask for bootloader unlocks. I have found out recently that for some employees Verizon had Samsung bootloader unlock their non-dev phone. I have spent the last hour *****ing at Samsung and Verizon.
Here's the facts.
Samsung can unlock it with a file they already have
Verizon has to request it
Verizon says they don't want a bootloader unlocked phone on their network but then told Samsung to make a developer edition. Samsung did not sneak and build a dev phone like Verizon makes it sound, Samsung was told to build it.
Samsung doesn't even care to unlock it, their not just cause of Verizon's order not to.
Certain Verizon employes have recieved the unlock(not for personal reasons)
I say we all call in the same hour and raise hell and maybe they'll hear that we are more than just a few people. Even if everyone doesn't want to do this I will keep calling them and wasteing their time. Having an unlocked phone is a big deal to me and the fact that their employees are allowed to blows my ****ing mind. They think it's ok for their own guys to develope but not us!? Are you ****in kidding me?
So like I said I will keep wasting their time. For you all thinking that I'm also wasting my time? Your right, and I would rather waste it aggravating them than wasting it looking for bootloader unlock updates that will never come. Just like the current S4 and S3 bootloader.
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I will say that even Motorola released a tool on their website to unlock some of their devices. It was a slim list but still. HTC did as well so who knows. I mean the Vendors have to balance customer needs and carrier needs because ultimately they are the boss.
So, we'll see. It would be awesome to see this happen but at the same time, if it does happen, would people blow Verizon up for service on their devices because of irreparable damage?
In my own personal opinion, this phone was expensive and we should be allowed to do as we please with it.

How do you know Verizon employees have unlocked phones unless you yourself are a Verizon employee? I work for an indirect retailer and I've never heard of this happening.

joshua.justice said:
How do you know Verizon employees have unlocked phones unless you yourself are a Verizon employee? I work for an indirect retailer and I've never heard of this happening.
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The only kind of "unlocking" I've heard a carrier employee do or request is a sim unlock. Nothing more.

Putting the claim of a flashable unlocked bootloader aside - Verizon and AT&T have made their position very clear. Phones on their network will be locked. Developer edition phones, which as the name suggests are primarily for development use are granted that but also are un-subsidized. They're not denying it to you, you have a choice. You're just unhappy with the choice you have to make, and respectfully that's an issue between you and Verizon.
Thread closed before it goes any further south.

Grain of salt: Bootloader: TMO Rep

So, I like to vent at companies on Twitter and any other social networks if they are not listening to their customers or taking advantage of loyal customers. So last night I started venting to T-Mobile asking about the bootloader and why we haven't heard anything at all. I mean, i'm sure most of us are on JUMP and could jump if we wanted to, but why, theres nothing better out, yet. Anyways to conclude my conversation with the rep, I got a confirmation from the rep saying:
"Good news! T-Mobile is working with Samsung to hopefully unlock bootloader!"
I tried to press for more information, sources etc but did not have any luck. Pretty much the answer I was given was they are limited on what they can see or do as chat reps.
Well, I'll believe it when I see it, but just thought I would share, that there could possibly be a bright light at the end of the tunnel for some of those loyal users. I for one will be jumping as soon as a more improved Android phone comes out, might have to wait till the end of the year though.

A dump truck full of salt and still nothing new.
People need to take their time and understand the underlying situation. Here's a good summary, apologies for reposting again:
mathieulh said:
The CROM lock does not exist on non-Chinese bootloaders
Samsung's Chinese handsets bootloaders have in 3 types of bootloader locks, the carrier lock, the CROM lock (which is enabled if the Chinese bootloader does not find the "KIWIBIRD" string written in the STEADY partition), and the reactivation lock, they are not carrier locked.
U.S. variants only have the Carrier and reactivation locks, there is no CROM lock to unlock on these devices (or any international variants either), U.S. variants are however carrier locked, the lock is hardcoded in the bootloader code (there is just no execution path to load an unsigned kernel on the consumer carrier locked variant bootloaders, there is no "lock" Qfuse anymore, the bootloader itself just has no carrier unlocking/locking support, it is always locked by design) and the bootloader is tied to the device ID, for example SM-G935F (which is One Time Programmable) and will refuse to run on anything but the device id that is hardcoded within it, obviously the bootloader is signed so you can't modify it, there is also a revocation mechanism involving Qfuses to make sure you can't downgrade to a vulnerable version (should one exist).
There are presumably Engineering versions of the bootloader that allow running unsigned kernels but those have not been leaked and they probably won't run on devices for which the production mode Qfuse has been blown (the device is in Engineering mode when that Qfuse is not set).
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Um, no......this was not a repost, this was me sharing information that I gained from TMO. I and most tmo users are not active in XDA anymore because of the locked bootloader, so it's news to some people.

DesignGrits said:
So, I like to vent at companies on Twitter and any other social networks if they are not listening to their customers or taking advantage of loyal customers. So last night I started venting to T-Mobile asking about the bootloader and why we haven't heard anything at all. I mean, i'm sure most of us are on JUMP and could jump if we wanted to, but why, theres nothing better out, yet. Anyways to conclude my conversation with the rep, I got a confirmation from the rep saying:
"Good news! T-Mobile is working with Samsung to hopefully unlock bootloader!"
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Hopefully! keyword. Reps dont know jack. We know more then they know. They are out of loop. This isnt even post worthy lol

DesignGrits said:
Um, no......this was not a repost, this was me sharing information that I gained from TMO. I and most tmo users are not active in XDA anymore because of the locked bootloader, so it's news to some people.
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He was calling his post a repost, not yours.
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