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so now that there is a froyo leak out for our phones, is it stable enough to update to it? i was thinking of going for the cognition v2.2 froyo, but obviously dont want a ton on unreliability problems lol...so whats the status on that?
I can't speak to cognition, but I have been running Froyo since it came out a few days ago (no root or lagfix) and it seems fine. Some have complained about lag - if it is there, it is not near as bad as stock 2.1. Others have said the browser has a memory leak - i have not run into that yet either.
Overall the plusses outway the minuses. I am happy with it so far. I have not had any crashes or FCs and the GPS is no worse then JH7. Unless i find a show stopper issue, I will keep it for now.
oh cool, so is it a final release of froyo or was it just a beta leak?
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oh cool, so is it a final release of froyo or was it just a beta leak?
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I would call it Beta. There is still stuff that looks like they ported the i9000 Rom over and they still need to do a little clean up. Some EU spellings of things, some minor bugs, Wireless AP and USB tether are present.
I think this is the 2.2 Captivate Base that they will build from. A solid Beta, but not the final.
It has been running fine for me. Once Rom Manager gets updated things will be great. Only AppsInstaller doesn't work for me but its not really that big of a deal.
This FROYO is actually very stable in that everything works perfect.............Have been running for 24 hrs barely so theres a bit more testing needed but yea its definately a GO . At first i got a couple of force closes on several of stock apps like music, phone, and a couple of others but only happend once and never happen again kind of like if it was still setting up or something but besides that and some odd color changes 2.2 is stunning i notice an overall snappier feel market 2x quiker (i dont use lag fix because it ruinned my OS a few times thats just me) and with root enabled the limitations are infinate
I've only been using it for half the day, but I have to say that samsung fixed most of the little annoying problems with this phone. We finally got the phone we paid for with the exception of lag. It's still there, but the one click lag fix solves that. All in all,i recommend the update. Especially with cognition.
cognition 2.2
I'm running the most recent release of Cognition 2.2 for Froyo with the built in one click lag fix. (Even though I really didn't even need to run the lag fix, its that smooth) It is sick. Phone is just silky smooth in all aspects. The only thing I noticed was that flash was slowing the browser down a little, but only on super large pages with tons of plug ins like huffingtonpost so I set the plug in setting to "on demand" and now I can't find a page large enough to slow down the browser. I put it next to my friends new Iphone4 and it was embarassing how much faster the Captivate was loading pages. Only things that arent working on 2.2 yet are titanium backup, which you really shouldnt use for this anyway since you don't want to install 2.1 apps on the 2.2 update, and Rom manager, but I fully expect that with the level of support we've seen from the Rom dev, he will have it updated in no time as well as an update for Titanium. Overall, I almost feel for the first time that I no longer need to scour the forums looking for ways to improve the phone. It is just sick (have I said how sick it is?) how well it runs with Cognition. GPS works perfectly, and I don't mean just getting locks. I put it on my dash and have been driving around a lot for two days and My Tracks is right on. My position does not drift off the road AT ALL anymore. No more being on other streets and otherwise just drifting around all nilly willy. GPS Test shows at least 6 or 7 locked satellites and usually 9 or 10 locked. I don't think I would get better performance out of a Garmin or Tom Tom. It does get better sat locks on the dash with a clear view of the sky rather than in the cup holder in the center console however, but that is to be expected with any GPS device. Even so, it was still fully functional in the cupholer.
I installed by Odin one click back to stock, did a GSM Master Reset via the phone keypad *2767*3855# then rooted, put the downloaded Cognition 2.2 file on my internal sd card, and then installed with Rom Manager, (works because I'm back on 2.1 at this point) I HIGHLY recommend this. I'm not sure what I'm going to do with all the spare time I just freed up by not having to flash my phone a million more times
P.S. If you can, donate a few bucks to DesignGears for the work he has done with this. It's totally worth it! It's amazing that he's gotten a ROM out so fast with the release and he is constantly working on, upgrading, and tweaking his work to make it better. (which is why im sure I'll be flashing again in the future /cry)
cognition 2.2
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Open internet browser and go to "cnet dot com" Then select cnet TV.
Check if you can play any video from that webpage.
On 2.1 there is no problem playng them.
On 2.2 you cant play them.
This is just one of i9000 froyo's problems.
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What does that have to do with Froyo as a stable OS?
I just opened Cnet tv and I could play the video.
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Open internet browser and go to "cnet dot com" Then select cnet TV.
Check if you can play any video from that webpage.
On 2.1 there is no problem playng them.
On 2.2 you cant play them.
This is just one of i9000 froyo's problems.
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I can play them. Just click the names. 2.2 stock 'beta'.
Go to pocketnow.com (full desktop version) and click through a few articles there. Muhahaha. Scrolling will become ultra slow, other apps will be forced out of memory, and you may even get a browser crash if you're lucky. That's the memory leak bug.
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Go to pocketnow.com (full desktop version) and click through a few articles there. Muhahaha. Scrolling will become ultra slow, other apps will be forced out of memory, and you may even get a browser crash if you're lucky. That's the memory leak bug.
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Huh? No, that did not happen. Whaa? No mem leak.
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Huh? No, that did not happen. Whaa? No mem leak.
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Go to the site and open your task manager. Is the browser not using about 100 MB of memory? Memeory leak.
The FroYo build is stable and fast. I like it.
I rolled back. It is stable - but some of the underlying features are broken. Forwarding emails does not include any comments you make. Google contact groups now work, but the listed names map to the wrong contacts.
Some nice improvements overall, but some issues are show stoppers for me. It won't crash though - or at least it didn't for me.
Has anyone tried enabling jit on this? I know it was attempted on 2.1 but no one made it past the lock screen before it bootlooped on the galaxy s. 2.2 is made for jit & it should be more stable now right? All I could find in the forums is how to do this for other phones like the droid x (sounds pretty unstable though) & im too much of a noob to figure out how to apply that to my captivate to try it.
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Froyo has been pretty stable for me, and certainly better overall than 2.1 was. It still needs work to have what I would call a well-polished feel, but overall I find it to be an upgrade.
I'm hoping it is a beta, and we'll get an even better one soon
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Has anyone tried enabling jit on this? I know it was attempted on 2.1 but no one made it past the lock screen before it bootlooped on the galaxy s. 2.2 is made for jit & it should be more stable now right? All I could find in the forums is how to do this for other phones like the droid x (sounds pretty unstable though) & im too much of a noob to figure out how to apply that to my captivate to try it.
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JIT is already enabled.
I just finally dumped Big Red and came over to AT&T (combined contracts with my wife). I'm going from the HTC Incredible and purchased the Sammy Captivate. I was very active back in the Dinc forum, and would consider myself "Advanced" - I did some development, but wasn't yet at the level of ROM Cooking.
I got over here to the Captivate - I'm confused as hell. I've followed my own advice and read forum after forum after forum before posting anything - the Cappy just seems like Greek to me.
Here's what I'm picking up:
1. GPS is spotty, but not for everyone. Mine has always been dead on, but then again I'm not a first-adopter of the Galaxy S. Perhaps it was a batch issue?
2. ROMs seem significantly harder to cook for the Cappy. I see a bunch of leaks from the Froyo build, but it looks half-done at best. Don't get me wrong, I'm running Cognition and I love it for day to day use. I had read a bit online about the lag issues, but I didn't imagine they would be *this* prominent even after rooting and removing bloatware.
That's about it, really. I'm checking back in the forums every day. I'm loving the hardware on this phone - the screen is fantastic, and when the Cappy is fast it's FAST. But I've gotta admit I'm fairly dissapointed thus far with some of the User Experience pieces. The Samsung overlay has some nice attributes (the swiping in Contacts is great, for one), but there are other bits that are wholly frustrating about this phone (WHY would they make the buttons at the bottom time out before the screen, forcing you to touch the screen to get the buttons lit up again??).
OH! And why did they switch "Home" and "Menu"??? I realize Samsung is a global company and that not all of their products are released Stateside, but it's still annoying.
I must apologize, this has turned from a general "how do you do" to a vent-fest. I'd love to hear from any experienced and new users alike. Thanks!
hi I just came from HTC too, I had the Aira, but I broke it. When I went to the ATT store, I saw the Captivate and decided to try it. I'm with you -- the hardware specs are great, screen is beautiful, camera is better than aria, etc. But the programming is lame, especially compared to aria. I haven't had an issue with the GPS, but there are a tons of software issues on this phone, such as wifi just not working at times, the exchange email client almost unusable, lack of languages, lag, and those lights at the bottom like you mentioned. HTC sense is wonderful.
I'm also having a hard time figuring out all of the ROMS and etc out there. I did install one of the lag fixes and it's made quite a difference. I also installed the HPUSA thing but I don't know how to tell if it's actually working. Anyway, install the lag fix, it will definitely help. And if anyone knows of a fix for the wifi, I'd love to know what it is (One would expect that it would just work out of the box).
What WiFi issues are you having? I can't even "see" any WPA networks. I have a Verizon FiOS router and can't see it because I'm assuming the WPA security. I tried switching to WEP though and still couldn't see it. I've search all over the web and XDA and can't seem to find anyone complaining of the same issue.
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What WiFi issues are you having? I can't even "see" any WPA networks. I have a Verizon FiOS router and can't see it because I'm assuming the WPA security. I tried switching to WEP though and still couldn't see it. I've search all over the web and XDA and can't seem to find anyone complaining of the same issue.
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I haven't had any problems with Wifi and use WPA. I can see all of my networks (which are G, not N).
The button thing is kind of annoying, so I agree with you there. My GPS has been hit or miss, but I bought this phone used, so I'm not sure if it was a first batch model or not.
There's not much in the way of ROMs. There's stock and leaks, then there's Cognition and Eugene's, and that's about it. All of those are based on a leak or stock build, so they'll usually contain the same problems as the stock/leak build.
We're supposed to be getting a CyanogenMOD ROM sometime, or at least be able to port it...but I'm sure they can't do anything until Samsung releases the source for Froyo.
Anoter HTC convert here, but I came from the Pure.
GPS is definitely an issue. Mine improved with the OTA update to JH7. Its still not as accurate at highway speeds as the HTC.
HTC sense Rules compared to the UI in the Cappy. Im hoping that improvements will come as 2.2 is more widely adopted.
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OH! And why did they switch "Home" and "Menu"??? I realize Samsung is a global company and that not all of their products are released Stateside, but it's still annoying.
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That has NOTHING to do with Samsung. At all.
Do a little research and you'll see almost every phone has a different arrangement of the four buttons.
Just going to answer the part of your question about the lag and lag fixes.
The lag on the galaxy s phones is the result of samsung using rfs file system - rfs has a much slower input/output read/write than ext* file systems generally found on linux distros. This is the lag that is being refereed to in the lag fixes.
so as long as samsung continues to put out official roms with rfs file system there will always be an opportunity for a "lag fix" with ext2 (i.e. ryanza's OCLF) or ext4 (i.e. voodoo).
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GPS is hit or miss, but on the FroYo leak it has gotten much better, unfortunately Samsung released the phones with brand new hardware and apparently didn't test...
The lag is as mentioned another Samsung fubar along the lines of using an inferior file system.
I think the reason for lack of ROMs is most people are waiting for FroYo to launch. We just got our first beta build leaked this week. Once source for the new kernel gets released, we should see a lot more activity as far as that goes.
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MikeyMike01 said:
That has NOTHING to do with Samsung. At all.
Do a little research and you'll see almost every phone has a different arrangement of the four buttons.
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I've done a lot of research, and I alluded to that point in my post. Survey the *American* market and empirically you will see that of the slate Android phones, most have the buttons in the order Home, Menu, Back, Search. And I would argue that it has everything to do with Samsung - unless you're implying that someone else designed the layout of the buttons on their device. After all, they are the reason the European variant of the i9000 has three buttons like the X10, correct?
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Funny.
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Just going to answer the part of your question about the lag and lag fixes.
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Thanks, dayv. That's a good explanation and gives me some idea of where to go from here.
As for an update, turns out the WiFi issues were strictly hardware. After putting in a bridge with my FiOS router and still not getting any improvement, I took it back to Best Buy and swapped it out. Connected the second I got home. Unfortunately, the touch buttons were totally borked and I had to do a battery pull three times in 20 minutes because apparently the buttons would "touch themselves when they thought of me." In other words, you could see the buttons flash on and off, feel the haptic go crazy, and all kinds of strange stuff on the screen. Yet another swapout and I'm good to go.
I also installed Eugene's Frankin-Twiz last night - it really helped improve just about everything. Hardly any lag at all and I'm liking the associated themes available. GPS on my new device works great too.
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I think the reason for lack of ROMs is most people are waiting for FroYo to launch. We just got our first beta build leaked this week. Once source for the new kernel gets released, we should see a lot more activity as far as that goes.
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I imagine we can also add to this that the Captivate has only been out for not quite 3 months if I recall correctly. So between the newness and people holding their breath for Froyo I could understand people's hesitancy to invest a lot of time and energy in making a soon to be outdated ROM.
came from a tilt2 which is/was? still trying to develop android..it was pretty good but wow i can never go back to windows phone after that mess. freggin love this captivate thou...when it doesnt break lol. ive never had a phone that i seem to get ALL the known issues with and still decide to stick with getting a new one instead. I miss sense somedays but overall i still am willing to stick with a less "bogged down" OS that i can practically do the same with. if i can make the phone do what i need faster then screw the pretty screen gadgets lol
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HTC sense Rules compared to the UI in the Cappy. Im hoping that improvements will come as 2.2 is more widely adopted.
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I'm sorry but I to came from the htc aria, awesome little phone. I bought the aria because I thought the sense ui was pretty awesome. After using Cyanogen mods on the aria and playing with other launchers and now playing with tw launcher, sorry but sense ui is crap and for noobs . I got over the whole sense ui about a week of owning the aria and wasn't able to use it after adw and launcher pro.
Sorry had to post it. I just don't feel you can use an androids phone ui to bash another phone. I have only seen a few who use any androids phone stock ui any way and I'm one of them and as basic as it is it still makes sense ui look a babies toy.
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hi I just came from HTC too, I had the Aira, but I broke it. When I went to the ATT store, I saw the Captivate and decided to try it. I'm with you -- the hardware specs are great, screen is beautiful, camera is better than aria, etc. But the programming is lame, especially compared to aria. I haven't had an issue with the GPS, but there are a tons of software issues on this phone, such as wifi just not working at times, the exchange email client almost unusable, lack of languages, lag, and those lights at the bottom like you mentioned. HTC sense is wonderful.
I'm also having a hard time figuring out all of the ROMS and etc out there. I did install one of the lag fixes and it's made quite a difference. I also installed the HPUSA thing but I don't know how to tell if it's actually working. Anyway, install the lag fix, it will definitely help. And if anyone knows of a fix for the wifi, I'd love to know what it is (One would expect that it would just work out of the box).
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Curious because I'm considering returning the captivate for the aria (other than the Screen the Captivate Really Kinda Sucks). If you had it to do again would you pick the Aria over the Captivate?
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Curious because I'm considering returning the captivate for the aria (other than the Screen the Captivate Really Kinda Sucks). If you had it to do again would you pick the Aria over the Captivate?
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Not a chance lol the aria is awesome for its size but doesn't come close to the captivate , that's just my imo though. Only problem I have had with captivate is gps and I really don't use gps, so not that big of deal. The aria, like I said awesome for its size, just has to small of processor to do what the captivate can do. Most things lag on the aria games and movies almost un playable. I love my captivate.
I had bought an iphone4 for my wife to replace her old iphone. Well long story short , I turned a "i will not use anything else but iphone ! " the iphone 4 went back two weeks of having it cause of to many problems to we booth own captivates now and shes sold.
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besides the gps.... i am very satisfied. here is why.....
I woke up this morning and opened allshare to stream music from my synology diskstation. Got in the car and loaded up bluetooth to my moto speakerphone/radio transmitter. Put my captivate in my proclipusa mount and Loaded up pandora to stream to my car stereo... Loaded up the navigation for testing purposes and was on my way...
Both worked without issue on the commute in.. rocking to guerrillla radio and limp bizkit. Got some tweets and emails... and the phone took it like... IS THAT ALL YOU GOT!!!!
My blackberry 9700 would have exploded and for sure the "r" key would have flew straight into my forehead... where then people would ask me why i have an R indented in my head... is it for Retard?
I rate the phone 95% out of 100%. If you really have that much to complain about then you will never be happy with any phone.....
p.s. - for people who have captivates that reboot or shutoff, that has to be a defect and you need to get it replaced. My phone has never rebooted or shutoff by itself.
p.s.s. Gps isn't great... but the phone does everything else i need really well.
rant over.
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I also installed Eugene's Frankin-Twiz last night - it really helped improve just about everything. Hardly any lag at all and I'm liking the associated themes available. GPS on my new device works great too.
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If you like F-T you might like this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=791366
This has been a really stable rom with HSUPA enabled(no bluetooth issues) good GPS (for me) and a nice theme.
It is an international rom so all of the att crap is gone. No need for the sideloading crap.
I tried Cog beta 1,2, and 3 and F-T and I'm back to this rom. It's good for me until we get a good stable 2.2 rom.
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Curious because I'm considering returning the captivate for the aria (other than the Screen the Captivate Really Kinda Sucks). If you had it to do again would you pick the Aria over the Captivate?
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That's an interesting question. The aria costs a lot less than the captivate. As far as hardware goes, the captivate is superior: 16 GB RAM, the screen is awesome, the speaker is better (ringtones sound nicer) and the quality of phone calls, at least for me, is a lot better than the aria. Oh and the camera is LOT better on the captivate. I haven't had issues with the GPS (the aria locked on a little faster, but captivate performs well). The issues with wireless for me are really frustrating, but others don't seem to have an issue (wireless sometimes works, sometimes doesn't even though it's connected, I have no idea why).
Based on my experience, I'd rather have the captivate. It definitely takes more tweaking than the aria but in the 1 week I've had it, I think I got everything worked out. I definitely liked the sense UI and email client on the aria, but I can live with the UI and stuff on the captivate considering how much better the hardware is.
If anyone has any idea about how to fix wireless, I'd really appreciate it.
Yeah I'm not gonna lie, we really don't have much of choice on at&t . To me we only have two choices right now Aria or captivate. If at&t got a htc equivalent to the captivate then I would have a hard choice .
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If you like F-T you might like this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=791366
This has been a really stable rom with HSUPA enabled(no bluetooth issues) good GPS (for me) and a nice theme.
It is an international rom so all of the att crap is gone. No need for the sideloading crap.
I tried Cog beta 1,2, and 3 and F-T and I'm back to this rom. It's good for me until we get a good stable 2.2 rom.
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Thanks for the tip! I've never met a ROM that I wouldn't reflash if something else came along. I will try it out later tonight. Do you happen to know if the Twiz mods for custom fonts will flash ok?
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So I upgrade my Captivate to the leaked 2.2 and came to the conclusion that everyone else did after using it for a couple of days. I've been missing a few apps from the market (i.e. New York Times) since I've upgraded and stuff has been crashing so I decided to go with a custom ROM for it, especially because everyone says the phone becomes amazing once you do it. I decided to go with Cognition since its the one I've heard of that everyone seems to think is the best.
One question I have about Cognition is how does it run with LauncherPro? I really don't like TouchWiz 3.0 which is one of the bad things about Cognition. I'd prefer Vanilla Android with some HTC Sense capabilities, so LauncherPro is really important to me. Can anyone tell me how well it runs on Cognition?
Also, do you need to apply a lag fix to the Captivate once you install Cognition, or does it just run better overall?
Thanks to anyone that can help.
Cognition comes with the stock launcher, not the touch wiz launcher.
I've never been a fan of launcherpro, so I don't know how it runs. There us no reason to believe it wont run awesome, as cognition is silky smooth, fast and stable.
Cognition loads a voodoo lagfix upon flashing, so you don't need to. Keep that in mind, as you need to disable the lagfix before you flash anything else.
For what it's worth I like DesignGears other ROM better, perception. They are very similar, but perception lets you pick your lock screen.
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I use LauncherPro on Cognition. It runs fine.
You won't regret switching to Cognition. It's a great ROM and is much faster than stock. And everything works.
I haven't tried any other ROMs yet but was thinking about flashing Perception thus weekend.
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Can anyone tell me the risk factor of bricking my phone? I believe I mostly understand the process, I first need to go back to original 2.1 and go from there, but I'd rather not do it if there is a large chance of me bricking my phone.
Also, any forum tutorial would be nice, I like to have something to read up on it alongside a video. Thanks
I've always trusted dg for my roms. If you want to know how to install. Just go to the page and every step is laid out for you there. I have never had a problem with installing it. Even though it says to go back to stock I never do. But please do what it says untill you are ok with what you are doing. With that said. Flash and enjoy.
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I've always trusted dg for my roms. If you want to know how to install. Just go to the page and every step is laid out for you there. I have never had a problem with installing it. Even though it says to go back to stock I never do. But please do what it says untill you are ok with what you are doing. With that said. Flash and enjoy.
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Searched for the page on this forum, the latest is 2.3 b8 correct? I remember reading somewhere that 2.41 was released, or something newer than 2.3
Nvm, ignore my last question, I figured out what that was. But I've been reading that Cognition and Perception are made by the same dev, so which one is the better, more updated one? I mainly want it to be fast and have app support for a couple 2.1 Galaxy S apps.
The chances of (fully) bricking it are pretty slim. I've actually never had a bad flash, and I've quite a bit of roms, including a few I cooked up on my own. In the absolute worst case scenario (you pulled the plug during a flash - though this is also not guaranteed to fully brick it - in an attempt to deliberately break it, and now your phone just shows a black screen), you may still get it into download mode by building yourself a jig (it's just a 301k resistor across pins 4 and 5 of your microusb slot).
Also, if you want my two cents on DG roms, Perception is a bit better than Cognition. I had some weird stability issues in Cog 2.3b6, and it was definitely slower than my current rom - Perception 10.1. There are a few annoying things in Percep, but they're mostly minor. The haptic feedback on the home button doesn't work, the lock screen unlock audio cue doesn't work even though the locking audio cue mysteriously does, and the browser still has the annoying issue of not being able to save large images in a higher resolution than 305x203. The phone call audio quality seems to be a bit crappier too, but it's not dreadful.
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Also, the NY Times app not appearing in the market on 2.2 devices is the fault of the developer. The developer can set a max sdk version in android apps, so if your version of Android is higher than the max version specified in the program's manifest, it will not appear in the market for you.
- It seems like they're now supporting 2.2. Check for "NYTimes for Android" or get it with the QR code here:
http://www.appbrain.com/app/nytimes-for-android-phone/com.nytimes.android#
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The chances of (fully) bricking it are pretty slim. I've actually never had a bad flash, and I've quite a bit of roms, including a few I cooked up on my own. In the absolute worst case scenario (you pulled the plug during a flash - though this is also not guaranteed to fully brick it - in an attempt to deliberately break it, and now your phone just shows a black screen), you may still get it into download mode by building yourself a jig (it's just a 301k resistor across pins 4 and 5 of your microusb slot).
Also, if you want my two cents on DG roms, Perception is a bit better than Cognition. I had some weird stability issues in Cog 2.3b6, and it was definitely slower than my current rom - Perception 10.1. There are a few annoying things in Percep, but they're mostly minor. The haptic feedback on the home button doesn't work, the lock screen unlock audio cue doesn't work even though the locking audio cue mysteriously does, and the browser still has the annoying issue of not being able to save large images in a higher resolution than 305x203. The phone call audio quality seems to be a bit crappier too, but it's not dreadful.
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If anything, the main thing that I would probably get annoyed with about Perception is the haptic feedback for the home button and the call quality if there is a noticeable difference.
A few more questions, is Cognition still updated or was 2.3b8 the last one to be released? Also, with any of these ROMs, do I have to do anything special to gain the ability to side-load apps?
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If anything, the main thing that I would probably get annoyed with about Perception is the haptic feedback for the home button and the call quality if there is a noticeable difference.
A few more questions, is Cognition still updated or was 2.3b8 the last one to be released? Also, with any of these ROMs, do I have to do anything special to gain the ability to side-load apps?
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I probably wouldn't have noticed the difference in call quality if I didn't see other people complaining about it first. I think it's because it's based off of an i9000 rom, and to my understanding, the i9000 doesn't have a hardware support for noise cancellation (so it's done in software), whereas the Captivate does.
The haptic feedback on the home button "kind of" works. You get a haptic buzz when you do a long press, but you don't get a buzz if you just tap it.
The update question is a question for the dev, but I haven't seen Cog updated in a long time. I think DG is mostly focusing on Perception now.
Edit: err woops, forgot to answer part of your question. Both Cog and Percep permit sideloading by default, with Percep being slightly nicer because it restores the "Unknown sources" toggle under settings>applications.
I am running cognition now for three days, and couldn't be happier! Launcherpro is fine also. I flashed 2.3b6 (my roomate had it already and we didn't see that 2.3b8 was out)
I Followed an AWESOME video guide on youtube from a user on here named connexion2005
HERE is the link if you'd like it. Follow it to a tee and you will be a happy camper!
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I probably wouldn't have noticed the difference in call quality if I didn't see other people complaining about it first. I think it's because it's based off of an i9000 rom, and to my understanding, the i9000 doesn't have a hardware support for noise cancellation (so it's done in software), whereas the Captivate does.
The haptic feedback on the home button "kind of" works. You get a haptic buzz when you do a long press, but you don't get a buzz if you just tap it.
The update question is a question for the dev, but I haven't seen Cog updated in a long time. I think DG is mostly focusing on Perception now.
Edit: err woops, forgot to answer part of your question. Both Cog and Percep permit sideloading by default, with Percep being slightly nicer because it restores the "Unknown sources" toggle under settings>applications.
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Alright, I guess I'm probably gonna end up going with Perception then, and since DG should be still working on it, hopefully some of those problems get fixed. If I do find anything particularly annoying about it, I guess I can just flash to Cognition. Everyone has been saying how once you start flashing that you can't stop, so I'll see . Thanks a lot for your help!
Also, I found this for the haptic feedback for anyone who wants on a fix for Perception that's reading this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=903227
Not trolling, but the phone was almost unusable. I'm wondering if your purchased phones out in the wild are better.
As I would try to swipe between application or home screens, the Charge would "stick" halfway through for about a second, then complete to the next screen. Even when it didn't stick, it was changing screens at maybe 5fps - very jerky. I saw that it had a live wallpaper running (pink/orange with vines swaying back and forth), so I moved to a normal wallpaper. That helped *slightly*, but it was still very laggy.
Sometimes it would completely miss the swipe and register as a click instead, launching the app I happened to start the swipe on. The apps launched quickly - the camera app was perfectly responsive. Makes me wonder if it's demo software they're running, or maybe the bloat UI-ware installed?
Did you guys notice anything similar on real phones, or does a different rom (unbloated) make things better?
I noticed similar issues on the Revolution in the store, but the Thunderbolt was working great. I'm deciding between the three phones and some feedback would be valuable. Thanks!
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Not trolling, but the phone was almost unusable. I'm wondering if your purchased phones out in the wild are better.
As I would try to swipe between application or home screens, the Charge would "stick" halfway through for about a second, then complete to the next screen. Even when it didn't stick, it was changing screens at maybe 5fps - very jerky. I saw that it had a live wallpaper running (pink/orange with vines swaying back and forth), so I moved to a normal wallpaper. That helped *slightly*, but it was still very laggy.
Sometimes it would completely miss the swipe and register as a click instead, launching the app I happened to start the swipe on. The apps launched quickly - the camera app was perfectly responsive. Makes me wonder if it's demo software they're running, or maybe the bloat UI-ware installed?
Did you guys notice anything similar on real phones, or does a different rom (unbloated) make things better?
I noticed similar issues on the Revolution in the store, but the Thunderbolt was working great. I'm deciding between the three phones and some feedback would be valuable. Thanks!
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So get a tbolt or revo. WTF kind of an answer did you expect on a Charge forum. Do a little reading. With minor tweaking the phone runs super fast. Move on troll.
I would go with the charge. It has the best battery life, screen, and is the lightest. Also it has an hdmi port. Once you install voodoo lagfix on it it runs as smooth as any phone at verizon. I had the tb and all it did was die and reboot on me. Also this phone doesn't have a bootloader so it's easy to root and such. The tb root process is long and the revolution has to be bootstrapped just to have a custom recovery which is annoying in the long run. Also sense roms are 180+mb while a touchwiz rom is only 110 mb. So there is my input. I say 1. Charge. 2. Thunderbolt 3. Revolution
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Unuseable HA!!
Thanks Papi - Helpful to know that voodoo lagfix works on this device. I thought it was only for Galaxy S devices. I couldn't find mention of anything different on the official voodoo website.
It's also helpful to hear real world comparison of someone who's had the TB and the Charge.
It seems weird that basically all phones coming out have something fundamentally broken with them: GPS won't fix, lag, reboots, camera quality, etc. You would think that at least one phone would come out and just *work*.
Suzook: Relax, man. I was asking if the demo software could be causing the lag. I searched both the Charge General and Charge Dev forums for the word "lag" and only came up with *one* result of a guy recommending OCLF on the market. That made me think it wasn't a common problem. Notice that I said the Revo showed the same problem - I'm not trying to diss your phone.
Geez. It's the internet. Don't take **** so seriously or you run the risk of giving people the impression that you're the drunk guy at the party who's angry and wants to fight, and nobody knows why.
DroidXcon: Holy ****! That's ridiculous! Clearly that phone is capable of much more than the VZW setup.
I never had lag on my droid charge but I am the type the of person who is a crackflasher and I love changing my phone. I never had problems with this phone ever. And ignore the others they troll everyone hahah you could make a thread called no lag here and they would troll and purposely lag there phones. Just relax and go get a charge. We love adding to a community
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Unbloated definitely helps.
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Suzook: Relax, man. I was asking if the demo software could be causing the lag. I searched both the Charge General and Charge Dev forums for the word "lag" and only came up with *one* result of a guy recommending OCLF on the market. That made me think it wasn't a common problem. Notice that I said the Revo showed the same problem - I'm not trying to diss your phone.
Geez. It's the internet. Don't take **** so seriously or you run the risk of giving people the impression that you're the drunk guy at the party who's angry and wants to fight, and nobody knows why.
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Its all good. Thought you were a troll. I have owned the tbolt, revo, and now Charge. IMO its the best of the 3. Its just my opinion though, everyone likes different things.
See our community is a loving troll one. I too love to occasionally rip someone apart but if it comes to buying a charge I am all for it. This phone has blown me away. Just download lagfix to increase the beauty.
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to each its own huh lol but I too come from the evo n its def faster than evo n lets not talk bout the LTE!!! whooo fire lol
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Not trolling, but the phone was almost unusable. I'm wondering if your purchased phones out in the wild are better.
As I would try to swipe between application or home screens, the Charge would "stick" halfway through for about a second, then complete to the next screen. Even when it didn't stick, it was changing screens at maybe 5fps - very jerky. I saw that it had a live wallpaper running (pink/orange with vines swaying back and forth), so I moved to a normal wallpaper. That helped *slightly*, but it was still very laggy.
Sometimes it would completely miss the swipe and register as a click instead, launching the app I happened to start the swipe on. The apps launched quickly - the camera app was perfectly responsive. Makes me wonder if it's demo software they're running, or maybe the bloat UI-ware installed?
Did you guys notice anything similar on real phones, or does a different rom (unbloated) make things better?
I noticed similar issues on the Revolution in the store, but the Thunderbolt was working great. I'm deciding between the three phones and some feedback would be valuable. Thanks!
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I can answer this since I have owned all three of those phones. ThunderBolt (sold it 5 weeks later) Revolution (nice phone, but was concerned about potential lack of Dev support) Charge (nice phone overall, awesome screen).
Yes the ThunderBolt is pretty darn fast and so the drain on the battery. It has a bit more RAM, but other than that the processor is identical to the one in the Revolution.
I had the Revolution for day and I had no lag at all with mine. Snappy, good feel overall, the UI wasn't an issue for me (its subjective) but it seemed as though dev support wasn't going to be there. Turns out XDA-Developers did in fact open a forum for it and its rooted, no more bing.
Charge, again snappy enough, but if there is anything causing a perceived slow down its Touchwiz and perhaps the rfs file system. Both of these are easily address, Voodoo lagfix swaps the file system from rfs to ext4 and voila you get your speed back and Touchwiz, well choose a custom ROM or a different launcher (most do anyways).
I also found the demo units in the store to be on par with each other, but who knows what has been done to the demo's you tried. If I had to choose based on overall product I would get the charge => Revolution => ThunderBolt. They all run 1ghz, and customized to do what you want but sometimes it takes a while for the devs to get everything we want.
The charge has issues with BT, battery life, reboots and lockups. I couldn't deal with it. The Charge is the ONLY one I could get to pair with my 2010 Subaru BT and that was key for me.
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If I had to choose based on overall product I would get the charge => Revolution => ThunderBolt. They all run 1ghz, and customized to do what you want but sometimes it takes a while for the devs to get everything we want.
The charge has issues with BT, battery life, reboots and lockups. I couldn't deal with it. The Charge is the ONLY one I could get to pair with my 2010 Subaru BT and that was key for me.
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Thanks for the awesome perspective. I've decided to grab a pair of Charges from Amazon while they're $149. One for me, one for the wife.
Quick question:
Do you actually mean the charge (in bold), or a different phone? Seems like it might be a typo...
He means the Thunderbolt
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My phone might be crazy but I get around 12 hours of strait use on my thunderbolt running @1. 4Ghz
And no reboots yet lol
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32+ 10Gb storage don't hurt either
THUNDERBOLT
Absolutely no lag here with altered beast. The only downside is remnants of touchwiz.
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OP here - Just received my Charge and wanted to followup. It did the EE4 update within about 5 minutes of turning the phone on, so EE4 is my only experience vs the phone in the store. And it's snappy. It isn't buttery smooth, but for a stock kernel without voodoo, it seems perfectly acceptable. It's my wife's phone, so I'll probably just leave it stock until she complains about lag - so far, so good, though!
Thanks for all of the comments.
Altered Beast is definitely awesome and fast. Just needs some work and TO BE UPDATED TO EE4
I have had no major problems with my Inspire 4G while on Inspire 4G ROMs (well... Stock, rooted stock, and Inspired Ace which is customized for the inspire.) On every DHD ROM I have installed, there seems to be a problem with touch input. When typing emails, searches, SMS, and other things random keys will just stop working! Sometimes I can tap them repeatedly and fix it while others you have to exit whatever app you are in and open it back up. It gets really annoying.
I am currently on CoreDroid, but have had this problem with TB Fusion, RCMixHD, and RCMix3D as well. Since Inspired Ace worked fine I tried flashing its HTC_IME.apk to see if this fixed the problem. It didn't. I seem to be the only one with these problems on the Inspire. Has anyone else noticed? Does anyone have any suggestions for what could cause these issues?
(Yes, I am aware of the problems flashing ime packages from other ROMs can cause, I was just trying to see if it fixed the problem. I had to backup zip ready to flash in case it caused FC problems...)
Thanks in advance guys!
I'm using leedroid and I have the same problems of random keys not working at random times.
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It's a driver issue with inspires iirc. No fix
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It's a driver issue with inspires iirc. No fix
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Wait so there is no possibility of ripping the drivers from stock and flashing or getting a kernel with them? And how come it worked on Inspired Ace? Did gtg465x get the driver issue fixed? Not trying to sound angry there just a bit perplexed since IA was dhd based....
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Might be hardware than, I do remember it being brought up and it's unfixable.. I've had it happen on factory stock plenty of times. I just change my screen to horizontal and fixes it.
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Might be hardware than, I do remember it being brought up and it's unfixable.. I've had it happen on factory stock plenty of times. I just change my screen to horizontal and fixes it.
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Hmm... Well mine never did that. Only failed to rotate a few times due to a few malfunctioning third party apps... If i find a fix I will post it.
I've had this as well and thought that maybe it was Better Keyboard having an issue with either the Inspire in general, or CoreDroid. So this is happening to others using the stock keyboard. Glad it's not just me.
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I've had this as well and thought that maybe it was Better Keyboard having an issue with either the Inspire in general, or CoreDroid. So this is happening to others using the stock keyboard. Glad it's not just me.
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No you aren't alone... I consulted gtg465x and he only edited a few things in /system/customize so I flashed the IA /system/customize/default.xml and it seems to have greatly improved. Noticed one of those such lags but it is not the one out of every hundred that it was. I typed this a few other things multiple sms one of which was long and only had to tap one key multiple times to get it to work. And only three taps at that!
If I further test it I will ask gtg for his permission and post the default.xml in a flashable zip.
Now all that is left to do is edit build.prop to make my phone say inspire not dhd then flash from mdj v21 to 23, calibrate battery for this ROM (grr... Coredroid updates wiped my battery stats while it was only at 63 percent charge during install) and then I can finally be happy and leave my phone exactly how it is! Yeah that will last all of what? A week maybe? Haha nah I am happy on coredroid!
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I've had this happen to me on multiple ROM's and it always seems to be the "e" key that stops working for me. I just restart my phone or change input methods and it usually fixes it for a while.
Wish there was a permanant fix cause it does get annoying.
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No you aren't alone... I consulted gtg465x and he only edited a few things in /system/customize so I flashed the IA /system/customize/default.xml and it seems to have greatly improved. Noticed one of those such lags but it is not the one out of every hundred that it was. I typed this a few other things multiple sms one of which was long and only had to tap one key multiple times to get it to work. And only three taps at that!
If I further test it I will ask gtg for his permission and post the default.xml in a flashable zip.
Now all that is left to do is edit build.prop to make my phone say inspire not dhd then flash from mdj v21 to 23, calibrate battery for this ROM (grr... Coredroid updates wiped my battery stats while it was only at 63 percent charge during install) and then I can finally be happy and leave my phone exactly how it is! Yeah that will last all of what? A week maybe? Haha nah I am happy on coredroid!
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According to my research, editing the build.prop file on Sense ROMS doesn't directly reflect what is listed in About Phone. It seems that you have to edit default.xml in /system/custom/CID.... before installing the ROM
Yeah I read the same thing.right after i posted that... Oh well! Maybe when I get bored enough to do it. And after further testing i concluded that changing the default.xml to disable some of the keyboard layouts and things as gtg465x did didn't really help all that much... On the bright side, i may just go back to inspired ace and use uot kitchen to customize it
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So nobody has any other potential fixes for these freezes? Has it happened on every ROM you guys have used or what? I tried replacing my customize folder with the one from ia with cut down keyboard languages and layouts but no luck. Maybe we can find a fix!
EDIT: There may appear to be some confusion here. The problem in reference is not that the keyboard fails to rotate, gets stuck in landscape, or shows that a message is being typed and nothing appears on screen. The problem I am having here is that certain keys in random order at completely random times do not work but the keys around them do. This results in messages such as "Hey that bnd sunded relly gd" instead of "Hey that band sounded really good!!!" because the A and O ceased to function and likewise the exclamation point which is with the A. Also, at times the key will show it is being pressed but stops registering before the symbol it relates to is pressed. These problems exist on stock android keyboard and on sense keyboard. Hopefully someone will find a fix in drivers or something otherwise we will have to wait for a cracked official OTA GB update if that ever happens as they say it will...
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I´m having the same issue, and it´s driving me crazy!!!
It´s weird, because I´ve had this phone for months, and had no problems, until a week ago.
I´m on Stock ROM BTW.
no solution? this is an on going problem and hard to ignore...
I have to agree with everyone here.. It is a pretty glaring flaw in the Inspire. And many people think that it barely happens.. But it is a problem that occurs for me at least 5 times a day and that is not an exaggeration. Everything that I have been reading does say that this is an impossible thing to fix.. Just a bit frustrating. Does anyone have a way that lessens this from occurring?
ive had this problem also for awhile. ive had it on every custom rom that i can think of. i used coredroid and cm7 for awhile. right now im using miui. ive tried 3-4 different keyboard at least, and had this problem with all of them. the keyboards accuracy also seems to decline. when switching to a new keyboard the problem initially goes away, but it eventually starts doing it again with the different keyboard.
finally! thanks you, guys. Finally I get support for a bug that supposedly didn't exist. I have been out of the rooting and ROM flashing game for a few months, as I got a new Inspire and never got the chance to root it. I finally caught a break from school work and got fed up with having to do battery pulls on the ATT stock ROM (terribly made, I must say. Sense froze daily.) I rooted and flashed the trusty old Inspired Ace and what do you know? flawless. as always. I flash the new coredroid 8.1 to see if the keyboard bug still persisted. For the first day, I had no problems. Then the freezes came back. I think it is very possibly a side effect of the undervolt kernel. As for those that say all phones are not created equally, and my processor just can't take the ROM, is that really likely on two phones in a row while the inspired ace ROM works flawlessly?
Edit: Also, for those that say stick to IA if it works, it hasn't been updated in a long long time and never will be since GTG465x moved to the Captivate
It's not that people don't beleive you, its just that this is not a common enough bug for it to be a software issue. It has to be a specific hardware malfunction. I have never had this problem on any Rom configuration that I have used. I have never seen it as a reported bug either.
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Good point... It just still doesn't make since since one DHD ROM didn't do it all yet others do. Coredroid I is not doing it nearly as severely cd6 did. So maybe there is hope that it is a fluke combination of hardware and software bugs rarely manifested.
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Well, in preparation for android 4 I decided to get used to AOSP ROMs since they will probably be more widely available than ICS Sense ROMs. After using cm7.1 for just two days, the bug is still there. Note that this is a different inspire than the thread was started on. Does anyone have any solutions? It just makes no sense that this bug does not occur for me on Inspired Ace or Stock but does on every other GB Rom I have tested. For everyone reading this with the urge to pop a comment at me like "Stupid, stick with IA if it works," that ROM has been abandoned since May 5, so it is outdated. Any hopes for ICS roms solving the problem?
Keyboard app is not the problem. Does it on touch input (sense ROMs), swiftkey X, swype, and android default keyboard.