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Not sure if this is an issue for us, but just in case - I thought I'd share this...
Via Engadget:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/29/android-2-3-security-bug-shows-microsd-access-vulnerability/
So I am assuming that I should stop using stock browser for now, and switch to something like the Dolphin browser? And if so, which is better full or mini? Sorry, new to all this, so your suggestions/and or input are greatly appreciated.
Nexus S doesnt have a MicroSD unless this also includes the internal "sdcard" space.
It does include sdcard space. The issue is with being able to access storage, not specifically sd cards.
Right, to the OS, doesn't matter whether it's internal or external, it's whatever device is mounted as /sdcard...
so does this mean no more going to Russian porn sites on my phone?
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so does this mean no more going to Russian porn sites on my phone?
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It looks like it.
slowz3r said:
so does this mean no more going to Russian porn sites on my phone?
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lol Slowz3r! You're too funny, I can always count on you for a good laugh or 2 - thx! On a side note; hopefully this gets fixed when they roll out the fix for the re-booting issue.
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Not sure if this is an issue for us, but just in case - I thought I'd share this...
Via Engadget:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/29/android-2-3-security-bug-shows-microsd-access-vulnerability/
So I am assuming that I should stop using stock browser for now, and switch to something like the Dolphin browser? And if so, which is better full or mini? Sorry, new to all this, so your suggestions/and or input are greatly appreciated.
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Dolphin would not keep you safe. It, along with almost every other replacement browser, still uses the stock browser's rendering (Webkit) and javascript (V8) engines, and thus would still be vulnerable. There are two notable exceptions, though: Opera Mobile and Firefox Mobile. A quick look at the download size of all other browsers makes it clear that they are basically shells/wrappers on the stock browser's engines with the sole purpose of adding functionality to the native browser. There's no way to cram an entire browser (housing more features than the stock browser), complete with javascript and rendering engines in a megabyte.
Opera Mobile uses the Presto and Carakan engines for Rendering and Javascript, respectively. Similarly, Firefox Mobile uses Gecko and Spidermonkey. Because of the different engines used, these two would not be subject to the same set of vulnerabilities.
I use Opera Mobile (not mini, which is quite limited for me) for almost everything. It has much better panning, zooming, and rendering performance than anything else available.
Whenever I try and download anything directly (other than *.torrent files) they always seem to be corrupt. Browser seems to download around 8 bytes, then say downloaded. I have tried Astro, etc but to no avail. Working away from home atm, until things get sorted out with the xooms updates, browsing xda devs is a bit tough. Any help at all?
I had a similar issue, everything I downloaded went to about 95% complete and then said 'Download Unsuccessful'
Just a simple reboot fixed my issue. Hopefully it can fix yours as well.
Did you check non-market download?
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Yes to both.
It's neither though.
Basically, if you go to a web page, and try and download anything. IE i go to my web page and try to download fixturelist.rar, I get 8 bytes of it, then the xoom say downloaded....It always says, its a successful download. Obviously when I go to the file in downloads it is reported as corrupt.. This is the same for any file on any site other than *.torrent files.
Why not install Opera mobile browser, and see if the file will download OK? It could be a problem with the stock browser.
download alogcat from the market... if you can... and then while it is running try a download from the inetz and once it errors out, open alogcat and pause it... you mayfind your answer there. that happened on my evo once and for some reason my download folder dissapeared so once I remade it, downloads were sucessful
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Whenever I try and download anything directly (other than *.torrent files) they always seem to be corrupt. Browser seems to download around 8 bytes, then say downloaded. I have tried Astro, etc but to no avail. Working away from home atm, until things get sorted out with the xooms updates, browsing xda devs is a bit tough. Any help at all?
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I have the same issue. Have you found a solution?
Mostly. if I use Opera browser, then the downloads work. sadly, flash on some sites fails. I have 10.2, and have tried all the integration setting in opera (apart from off of course).
I have used dolphin hd since the day is was released on my other devices without fail It just seems to really dislike the xoom (for me anyway).
The stock browser gives the same fault.
On a plus side xda-dev forum works perfectly with opera. nice and smooth, as do all of the other forums I use. Dolphin (for me) was just awful on this forum.
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Mostly. if I use Opera browser, then the downloads work. sadly, flash on some sites fails. I have 10.2, and have tried all the integration setting in opera (apart from off of course).
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Flash 10.2.156.12 did work in Opera on the Xoom. But when Flash 10.2.157.51 came out at the end of last week, Opera start to have problems with Flash contents.
Opera on my Galaxy tab also having trouble with the new version of Flash. Hopefully the next release of Opera will fix the bug.
P.S. Not sure if you have done this already, but here are steps to redirect Opera to full desktop version of websites.
This was original posted by kay_kiat88 on the Galaxy Tab forum. You will only have to do this once unlike the stock Xoom browser.
for those who still get redirected to mobile site.. do this :
1 type "opera:config" in the address bar and tap enter
2 scroll down to user preferences and tap it. You will see a long list of options.
3 scroll down to "custom user agent" and copy this (without the inverted commas) "Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10_5_7; en-us) AppleWebKit/530.17 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Safari/530.17" into the box.
4 scroll down and tap save
5 restart opera by using task manager to close and then start opera again. You should not get redirected to mobile website.
Hi,
I have experienced some extreme stutter on some website because of Javascript poor implementation in the stock browser (and also in every Webkit browser like Dolphin HD)
for example accessing the next website (which is a very familiar website and works great on my PC has this issues): http://www.techradar.com/
As soon as I disable JS in the browser settings the scrolling start working great as usuall.
I have also ran Javascript Sunspider test and received a result of 2246ms where in my PC I have received a result of 296ms!
Does anybody else also has this issue and maybe knows how to solve it?
Thank you.
I have not tried this but using Opera may help. They have always been know for having a fast JS engine on the PC anyway.
JS has been known to cause problems with the browsers, it was the reason why they would randomly exit (not FC, just exit). I was extremely surprised to see how much faster web browsing was with JS disabled in Dolphin, but sadly we need it for most websites and there's no way around it that I'm aware of.
I have to say that when I did check the same websites in Opera I didnt experienced any stuttering so I guess that JS issues could be solved one day.
The problem is that I find Opera inferior when comparing it to Dolphin for Pad or when comparing it even to the stock browser.
Wish I could find an all-in-one browser which just would work good and I would not have to switch between browsers when opening particular websites
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I have to say that when I did check the same websites in Opera I didnt experienced any stuttering so I guess that JS issues could be solved one day.
The problem is that I find Opera inferior when comparing it to Dolphin for Pad or when comparing it even to the stock browser.
Wish I could find an all-in-one browser which just would work good and I would not have to switch between browsers when opening particular websites
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Maybe once firefox fully release thier android browser?
Also if you end up using Dolphin try out the Dolphin for Pad beta. It is the dolphin hd browser but made for tablets. Some people are saying it runs better than the dolphin hd so maybe it is made for tegra devices.
Firefox just looks bad. Its picture rendering abilities is awful.
I am currently using Dolphin for Pad and its a great browser but its based on the same Webkit engine so the same JS problems are still there.
Anyway I have found a way to quickly switch between browsers which helps a little. There is an app in the market called "Browser Switch" - so you can configure that when you click on share in Dolphin for Pad and choose browser switch it immediately opens opera(which does not has Webkit's JS issues) with the requested URL
You think that site is bad...try some Gizmodo's. You can switch to blog view on the main page, but if you click on to another link it reverts to their top story format.silly tablet barely works.
dimako83 said:
Hi,
I have experienced some extreme stutter on some website because of Javascript poor implementation in the stock browser (and also in every Webkit browser like Dolphin HD)
for example accessing the next website (which is a very familiar website and works great on my PC has this issues): http://www.techradar.com/
As soon as I disable JS in the browser settings the scrolling start working great as usuall.
I have also ran Javascript Sunspider test and received a result of 2246ms where in my PC I have received a result of 296ms!
Does anybody else also has this issue and maybe knows how to solve it?
Thank you.
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i have been looking for a way to get internet explorer web sites to work on my tablet but have had no luck as of yet could someone help me out or is there something to do. tried the about:debug did not work. please help
thanks in advance
What tablet do you have and which version of android are you running? If your running ICS or your device has support for ICS you can try Chrome on your tablet.
I have the ZTE optik v55 running 3.2 Android
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well after doing some research on the tablet....there are some rumors going around a OTA update for the Optik that's supposed to have android 4.0. But there's nothing solid. The other alternatives you could use are like Dolphin Browser HD and Opera Mini Web Browser. If you go with Dolphin be sure to set it as desktop so it will give you normal full sites instead of the mobile version of sites.
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well after doing some research on the tablet....there are some rumors going around a OTA update for the Optik that's supposed to have android 4.0. But there's nothing solid. The other alternatives you could use are like Dolphin Browser HD and Opera Mini Web Browser. If you go with Dolphin be sure to set it as desktop so it will give you normal full sites instead of the mobile version of sites.
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Use Opera HD instead of Dolphin and set it to desktop. This is as close as you will get to proper rendering. However, the site may play nicer with firefox set to desktop user agent.
I think ie is does'nt exist on android device CMIIW ....
You can try chrome if your tablet running ICS..
Thanks Opera works like a charm, thanks all of you for the information
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What do you need Internet Explorer?
It's very lazy browser i think.
Maybe you should try Dolphin Browser or Opera(Mobile or Mini-i think Mini is better,light and faster)
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What do you need Internet Explorer?
It's very lazy browser i think.
Maybe you should try Dolphin Browser or Opera(Mobile or Mini-i think Mini is better,light and faster)
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That's all well and good, but I also could do with IE on Android because some sites I need to access are specifically written for IE. While I can fudge the Agent string to get round the checks the website does, once in, it doesn't render correctly and you can't use the site.
I wish IE was also available because the default browser is clunky. I've heard Dolphon Browser is good, anybody have an opinion on Dolphin?
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hello! i have volar vlr t702 and running android 4.0. i hate internet explorer but i must use ie for my job. i tried chrome, opera, dolphin but anyone didn't work on my job site. how can i use ie on my tablet? please help.
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I wish IE was also available because the default browser is clunky. I've heard Dolphon Browser is good, anybody have an opinion on Dolphin?
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Dolphin browser is the best android browser avaliable, in my opinion.
dnctsn said:
hello! i have volar vlr t702 and running android 4.0. i hate internet explorer but i must use ie for my job. i tried chrome, opera, dolphin but anyone didn't work on my job site. how can i use ie on my tablet? please help.
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That is a compatibility problem of poor web code of the website you're trying to access, not the browser.
IE is developed by Microsoft and since they have Windows Mobile I doubt they're going to port IE to android. That being said, there are probably some unofficiall unstable ports and google is your friend there, but it's surely not worth the hassle.
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I wish IE was also available because the default browser is clunky. I've heard Dolphon Browser is good, anybody have an opinion on Dolphin?
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Dolphin is great in every way, except that it doesn't support flash in it's pages, like Firefox does (and in the case of IE compatibility; it won't be able to render IE specific ActiveX plugins). If anyone finds a way to emulate or run IE under Android; I'll be most interested to know what's involved.
Someone on another forum post somewhere, mentioned that IE mobile (assuming it works for the sites in question); could potentially be ported or emulated with a Windows Mobile emulator? AFAIK: nobody has done this yet (probably fearing reprisal from Microsoft). But if it was done in such a way that if you owned a WM device; you could pull the binary off the existing phone, and run it in an emulated form under Android (effectively avoiding some of the reverse engineering contract clauses, and having the owners assume responsibility for not distributing copied images (already in the MS EULA)...then it might be sufficiently grey area that you could have a personal copy running (be it rather wastefully)?
opera renders sites good like pc browser
i think it is the closest browser to pc's
Since upgrading to ICS several days ago, two websites that I frequently visit on my tab are malfunctioning - seems to be javascript-related and somewhat browser independent. The sites are pcworld.com and nbcnews.com. In general, on pcworld.com, links don't work. Nothing happens when I tap them (they do highlight in light blue - that's all). On nbcnews.com, which forces the mobile site using some browsers, the links to stories and the down arrow to "show more stories" don't work. Both of these situations (pcworld and nbcnews) exist for the stock browser, Dolphin, and Chrome (also installed and tried Maxthon and Skyfire just to check - same issue there), but both sites work fine in Firefox and Opera. However, if I disable javascript in Dolphin, pcworld.com works fine, and I can link to stories on nbcnews. The "show more stories" in nbcnews.com still doesn't work but the screen behaves a bit differently when I tap it. Chrome, by the way, pretty much goes non-functional if I disable javascript in it - none of the browser control buttons such as bookmarks, recent sites, etc. work at all.
Pcworld was definitely working before going to ICS. I think nbcnews had gotten a little squirrelly. My conclusion that it's a javascript issue is based on the fact that disabling javascript restores link function to pcworld and at least to the nbcnews.com stories. Any thoughts?
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Since upgrading to ICS several days ago, two websites that I frequently visit on my tab are malfunctioning - seems to be javascript-related and somewhat browser independent. The sites are pcworld.com and nbcnews.com. In general, on pcworld.com, links don't work. Nothing happens when I tap them (they do highlight in light blue - that's all). On nbcnews.com, which forces the mobile site using some browsers, the links to stories and the down arrow to "show more stories" don't work. Both of these situations (pcworld and nbcnews) exist for the stock browser, Dolphin, and Chrome (also installed and tried Maxthon and Skyfire just to check - same issue there), but both sites work fine in Firefox and Opera. However, if I disable javascript in Dolphin, pcworld.com works fine, and I can link to stories on nbcnews. The "show more stories" in nbcnews.com still doesn't work but the screen behaves a bit differently when I tap it. Chrome, by the way, pretty much goes non-functional if I disable javascript in it - none of the browser control buttons such as bookmarks, recent sites, etc. work at all.
Pcworld was definitely working before going to ICS. I think nbcnews had gotten a little squirrelly. My conclusion that it's a javascript issue is based on the fact that disabling javascript restores link function to pcworld and at least to the nbcnews.com stories. Any thoughts?
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Could someone with ICS on a 7.7 tab, preferably Verizon, try to navigate either of these sites and let me know if the problem is unique to my device? Thanks.
i dont have verizon tab... just a normal usual 7.7... but still both site show problem like the one you post.
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i dont have verizon tab... just a normal usual 7.7... but still both site show problem like the one you post.
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Thanks for checking. You are running ICS, right?
yup.. one of my device running on pure stock ics and another running on PA2.5
polonium101 said:
Since upgrading to ICS several days ago, two websites that I frequently visit on my tab are malfunctioning - seems to be javascript-related and somewhat browser independent. The sites are pcworld.com and nbcnews.com. In general, on pcworld.com, links don't work. Nothing happens when I tap them (they do highlight in light blue - that's all). On nbcnews.com, which forces the mobile site using some browsers, the links to stories and the down arrow to "show more stories" don't work. Both of these situations (pcworld and nbcnews) exist for the stock browser, Dolphin, and Chrome (also installed and tried Maxthon and Skyfire just to check - same issue there), but both sites work fine in Firefox and Opera. However, if I disable javascript in Dolphin, pcworld.com works fine, and I can link to stories on nbcnews. The "show more stories" in nbcnews.com still doesn't work but the screen behaves a bit differently when I tap it. Chrome, by the way, pretty much goes non-functional if I disable javascript in it - none of the browser control buttons such as bookmarks, recent sites, etc. work at all.
Pcworld was definitely working before going to ICS. I think nbcnews had gotten a little squirrelly. My conclusion that it's a javascript issue is based on the fact that disabling javascript restores link function to pcworld and at least to the nbcnews.com stories. Any thoughts?
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I am currentlyon stock ICS DDLP5. it works fine with the stock browser. Also works with dolphin, firefox chrome and opera. No issues.
So now some people are actually getting the update from Verizon, and these websites seem to be working fine for them. I upgraded per Electron73's post. What might be different about my tab now than those who are getting upgraded by Verizon that would cause this issue?
Is it possible that the problem is that Electron73's instructions by which I upgraded to ICS result in a rooted device? I'm totally ignorant of this stuff and have no idea what possible problems could arise from being rooted. If that could be the problem, how can I unroot? I have no need to be rooted.
rooting only opening an acces to the device with administrator account... it only put 2 files to your device... one is a program to govern the root... superuser or supersu and another one is system/xbin/su binary files. that's it... to fully unroot you just need to delete this 2 files from your device.
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rooting only opening an acces to the device with administrator account... it only put 2 files to your device... one is a program to govern the root... superuser or supersu and another one is system/xbin/su binary files. that's it... to fully unroot you just need to delete this 2 files from your device.
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Thanks. I've done that now. I didn't really think that would fix my problem, and it didn't.
I've read that people who got their tab updated by Verizon / Samsung (many by sending them in) have i815.07 V.LP10 / I815LP10 (note the .07) vs. the .04 that I have installed. Possible issue?
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Thanks. I've done that now. I didn't really think that would fix my problem, and it didn't.
I've read that people who got their tab updated by Verizon / Samsung (many by sending them in) have i815.07 V.LP10 / I815LP10 (note the .07) vs. the .04 that I have installed. Possible issue?
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That's what I'm thinking. I wish electron could get an updated version. My wife is tired of seeing some elements on some of her favorite websites just not show up (images, links, etc). No way I'm unrooting until Verizon/Samsung get their OTA mess sorted out though.
As I mentioned, the websites that aren't working for me are failing in the stock browser, dolphin, chrome, and every other browser I've tried except Firefox, Opera, and now Puffin. Tonight I stumbled upon how to view the javascript console in the stock browser. When I view the javascript console after attempting to follow a link to an article on pcworld.com, I see a long ULR (with static.ak.facebook.com in the middle), followed by the console message "Given URL is now allowed in the Application configuration.: One or more of the given URLs is not allowed by the App's settings. It must match the Website URL or Canvas URL, or the domain must be a subdomain of one of the App's domains." there is a different message about Viewport argument value "device-width;" when I try to navigate the mobile nbcnews.com website. Pcworld works fine if I disable javascript; on the nbcnews mobile site, I can link to articles with javascript disabled but I still can't "Show more stories." Wierdly, about every 1000 tries or so (literally), a link or "Show more stories" will randomly work with javascript enabled, but only for one try.
Any ideas??
Yet another issue - hitting the back button in the stock browser, Dolphin, etc., usually doesn't take me to the previous visited webpage; it just reloads the current page (with some exceptions). If not for Opera and Firefox, my tab would basically be useless for web browsing. (Interestingly, Chrome does not have this issue even though it shares the stock browser and Dolphin's issue of not being able to follow links on nbcnews.com, pcworld.com, etc.) I like the device but am starting to wonder if I should give it up... Any idea if reverting to Honeycomb (!) would restore web browsing? HC was crap but at least I could use the browser.
Based on a little back and forth with Dolphin support and some deductive reasoning, it seems clear to me that any webkit-based browser is going to give me the same issues. I read this morning that Opera is getting ready to abandon its in-house web engine in favor of webkit. That will leave me with just Firefox and Puffin (which some say is insecure and in any case lacks a lot of basic features), neither of which I really like using.
So something seems inherently broken in webkit in the i815.04 V.LP10 version of ICS I have installed. I suppose many don't use their tablets extensively for web browsing so maybe this isn't an issue for most users, but I do browse a lot with it and now feel like my tab is "broken" (sort of the way I felt with Honeycomb that prompted me not to wait for Verizon to fix its failed update). I went so far as to buy a Nexus 7 yesterday morning, but I really didn't like the display and returned it in the afternoon.
I think in Electron73's post there was a link to a download that could be applied to return the tab to Honeycomb. Is that true, and if so has anyone tried reverting and then getting ICS through the OTA update? (It seems that people who have v.07 instead of .04 don't have the browsing problems I've been posting about.) If I reverted to Honeycomb (assuming that's possible) and couldn't get the update OTA, would Verizon / Samsung detect that it had been modified if I tried to get the update by sending it in as so many have had to do? Any other thoughts on possible fixes? Obviously I am pretty ignorant...
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Based on a little back and forth with Dolphin support and some deductive reasoning, it seems clear to me that any webkit-based browser is going to give me the same issues. I read this morning that Opera is getting ready to abandon its in-house web engine in favor of webkit. That will leave me with just Firefox and Puffin (which some say is insecure and in any case lacks a lot of basic features), neither of which I really like using.
So something seems inherently broken in webkit in the i815.04 V.LP10 version of ICS I have installed. I suppose many don't use their tablets extensively for web browsing so maybe this isn't an issue for most users, but I do browse a lot with it and now feel like my tab is "broken" (sort of the way I felt with Honeycomb that prompted me not to wait for Verizon to fix its failed update). I went so far as to buy a Nexus 7 yesterday morning, but I really didn't like the display and returned it in the afternoon.
I think in Electron73's post there was a link to a download that could be applied to return the tab to Honeycomb. Is that true, and if so has anyone tried reverting and then getting ICS through the OTA update? (It seems that people who have v.07 instead of .04 don't have the browsing problems I've been posting about.) If I reverted to Honeycomb (assuming that's possible) and couldn't get the update OTA, would Verizon / Samsung detect that it had been modified if I tried to get the update by sending it in as so many have had to do? Any other thoughts on possible fixes? Obviously I am pretty ignorant...
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It seems as if my browsing issues may not be similar to what you're experiencing. What I was seeing on my wife's was images not showing up on certain shopping websites (no matter what browser she used) , and sponsored links not working in Google searches. I discovered the problem: the hosts file is NOT stock, and is set to block a lot of sites, or elements within them. I removed every entry in the file except for 127.0.0.1 localhost, and EVERY problem she was having has disappeared!
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It seems as if my browsing issues may not be similar to what you're experiencing. What I was seeing on my wife's was images not showing up on certain shopping websites (no matter what browser she used) , and sponsored links not working in Google searches. I discovered the problem: the hosts file is NOT stock, and is set to block a lot of sites, or elements within them. I removed every entry in the file except for 127.0.0.1 localhost, and EVERY problem she was having has disappeared!
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How did you do that?
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How did you do that?
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It was a bit of a PITA at first since none of my edits would stick. Finally found an app called Hosts Editor Pro in the Store. Soon as you open it up, it seems to replace the current file with a very basic one. Once I rebooted after that, I checked the contents of the file, and only the one entry was there.
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It was a bit of a PITA at first since none of my edits would stick. Finally found an app called Hosts Editor Pro in the Store. Soon as you open it up, it seems to replace the current file with a very basic one. Once I rebooted after that, I checked the contents of the file, and only the one entry was there.
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So do you happen to know if she can follow links on the sites I mentioned (nbcnews.com, pcworld.com) without any problem? And go back to the previous page by hitting the back button? I think one person replied to my original question that they could not, but I'm still trying to figure out if it's some anomaly or a universal result of updating to 4.0.4 in this manner.
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So do you happen to know if she can follow links on the sites I mentioned (nbcnews.com, pcworld.com) without any problem? And go back to the previous page by hitting the back button? I think one person replied to my original question that they could not, but I'm still trying to figure out if it's some anomaly or a universal result of updating to 4.0.4 in this manner.
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Tried both sites, and every action you described, and both sites work perfectly, pop-up ads and all.
When you flashed electrons build, did you use the wipe version, or not?
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Tried both sites, and every action you described, and both sites work perfectly, pop-up ads and all.
When you flashed electrons build, did you use the wipe version, or not?
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I tried to no-wipe first, but it hung for about a half hour, so I went back and did the wipe version.
I've given up on it. I'm giving the tab to my daughter, who won't care about a few browsing incoveniences. I went to Verizon today and bought a new one. I was nervous because I planned to return it if it wouldn't get ICS OTA and they said there would be a $70 restocking fee. But when they stuck the SIM card in and started setup, I could see that it already had ICS on it (the bright blue circle was spinning). The setup didn't look fresh (didn't start with the setup wizard or whatever it's called -- booted directly into the default homepage), even though the tab was sold as new and certainly appears to be. Also, Baseband is i815.04, not .07. My uneducated guess is that the've taken new ones in the warehouse that had Honeycomb and flashed ICS, then shipped them to the stores, so they won't have to deal with all the the returns.