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Hi, hope this is the right thread to post this.
Anyways, with Honeycomb (and Ice Cream after that) being the next major Android release, and it being developed and focused more for tablet hardware/size, what do you think (if anything) will be next for Android phones after Gingerbread?
Given that Honeycomb, and the releases after, will probably require/utilize better hardware in terms of Android devices (ie. tablets), do you think Gingerbread is the "last" major Android release we'll see targeted specifically for phone devices?
If so, that would be disappointing. I know some people have uses for tablets, but frankly the smartphone for me is still the most capable and versatile device to come out in years, given that you can actually fit it in your pocket. I hope Google doesn't completely abandon Android development for phone-centric devices, and to see 2.5/2.6 updates.
The marketing VP of Viewsonic posts on this board and basically confirms that they are working on new Android versions for the G:
"Adobe and Google do not support Tegra II with Froyo"
"We are working on other OS versions, hint hint" The VP wrote the "hint hint", not me.
I know Roebeet has been busy with a big work project, but surprised the post did not ignite discussion. Does EVERYBODY have a big project with a short deadline?
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I think 2.3 is coming soon, due to the support issues. JMO.
Hmmm
rushless said:
"Adobe and Google do not support Tegra II with Froyo"
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Support from adobe and google will happen for the Tegra II(TABLETS) when the new OS hits. IMO it will be when Honeycomb hits not gingerbread, but who knows....
rushless said:
The marketing VP of Viewsonic posts on this board and basically confirms that they are working on new Android versions for the G:
"Adobe and Google do not support Tegra II with Froyo"
"We are working on other OS versions, hint hint" The VP wrote the "hint hint", not me.
I know Roebeet has been busy with a big work project, but surprised the post did not ignite discussion. Does EVERYBODY have a big project with a short deadline?
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I think 2.3 is coming soon, due to the support issues. JMO.
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It could mean so much, I was actually trying NOT to think about or discuss it.
It could mean:
They're working on a port of the ZPad UI for the G Tablet. We know the G Tablet and ZPad are identical internally (and even externally, lol), so it wouldn't be far fetched to think VS has licensed (or whatever) the Zpad software from Malata and has it in their hands, working with it more directly - or maybe hired programmers to work on it on an official basis.
I no longer think of TnT as horrible, but I still think the dashboard section is unnecessarily bloated and way too static and rigid for an android homescreen environment. Feels more like a picture frame UI or a bedside device UI than part of an Android device and the 2.2 dock sort of takes care of those needs. XDA devs have done an exemplary and extremely commendable job with the ROM but after everything, people still have trouble with it from what I've read, so perhaps an official port by VS would work out for all the non-techies and typical users. Not to mention, you'd be able to get official OTAs as required/needed.
Security or not, I prefer the official OTAs than having to reflash the device through clockwork....the main reason I have remained on stock despite accolades given to TnT 4.1
They're working on/with 2.3 for the G Tablet. God, that'd be nice.
They're giving us something more standard/generic/closer to vanilla 2.2/2.3 and removing TnT completely. We know for the most part, that Froyo in it's more pure form, isn't tasty on the G Tablet MOSTLY because the hardware keys aren't backlit. I've always thought of TnT to be thoughtful because everything you can do from the hardware button(s) you can do from the toolbar. If they removed TnT and just wrote a new toolbar in, this would give us a more standard experience - paired with a newer kernel and newer tegra drivers, we'd have a more or less 2.2/2.3 with benefits experience.
So yeah, I don't like having low expectations but they keep me from hoping too hard/high and that way I won't be TOO disappointed if it really means a different version of the very same TnT with a few 'bug fixes', aka TnT 3452/3453.
Gingerbread is here....cm7 beta is available
http://vegantab.gojimi.com/download/update-cm-7.0.0-Beta1-Harmony-signed.zip
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Gingerbread is here....cm7 beta is available
http://vegantab.gojimi.com/download/update-cm-7.0.0-Beta1-Harmony-signed.zip
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Yes, but at the cost of correct sdcard & sdcard2 mapping for the Gtablet? I loved CM roms on my G1, but hardware is too splintered now to cover all the hardware bases.
Not mention other hardware issues that CM is too general to make work correctly.
CM7 is using the correct Gingerbread mapping of sdcards.
Viewsonic release
What I was getting at was the fact that Viewsonic has yet to release an OFFICIAL gingerbread release. I still think that Adobe and Google will not give support to our tablets until they have an OS designed for them.
I know we have hacked ROMs that are based on Gingerbread, but I want to see VS take the next logical step and get us a real OEM OS..
Well hopefully then Viewsonic is SKIPPING Gingerbread because that is not a tablet supported OS just like Froyo.
We need Honeycomb to be the OS they are working on. Motorola is rumored to release the Xoom (Android 3.0 "Honeycomb") in late February.
Agreed
I agree, Honeycomb would be best... I don't think Motorola will get it all together and released by the end of February. I would love it if they did, then at least we could get a good source code!
Hopefully OfficialVS will come back and update us like he promised...
Gingerbread eh! Honeycomb would definitely be sweet. Now I'm in no way a techie, I am good at following instructions, with that said Notion Ink ships today would it be hard to port the eden UI over to the G-Tab? I'm curious what all the hype is about with it being that they both run the tegra chipset.
Is this Xoom pure Google experience Android tablet?
Meaning that it will get update directly from Google instead of Motorola ...
If so, that would seal the deal for me. I am already thinking about getting two for my wife and I, but Pure Google Experience would make this thing damn near magical in my mind.
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Is this Xoom pure Google experience Android tablet?
Meaning that it will get update directly from Google instead of Motorola ...
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no i think it has MotoBlur on it. it will take a long time for updates like samsung or htc
There is no MotoBlur on it. Hopefully it will have an unlocked bootloader, simple root access and updates from Google though.
Not pure android, but as close as you're gonna get without AOSPing it yourself.
Think about the original Droid, this is the equivalent tablet.
You are not getting updates from Google though, you are getting them from Moto/Verizon.
Hmmm ...
Then Xoom is the same like the LG G-Slate ...
Both are NOT pure Google experience ... which we must wait either Motorola or LG to provide software update ...
That is sucks ...
Then I might wait for HTC Honeycomb tablet because to my opinion HTC is more open and give update more often / faster than those 2 companies.
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Not pure android, but as close as you're gonna get without AOSPing it yourself.
Think about the original Droid, this is the equivalent tablet.
You are not getting updates from Google though, you are getting them from Moto/Verizon.
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Motorola seems to be pretty good with updates actually, apart from the cliq and very low end devices.
The Xoom will not be ruined by MotoBlur, thankfully, but no pure AOSP. However, since it's a premiere/flagship/whatever device, no doubt updates will be coming.
Unlocked? Doubt it. But that's what XDA is for
Google has stated several times that the Xoom is their "lead Honeycomb device" whether or not it means they will handling it themselves, alone, is unknown.
It has not been confirmed that Motorola will be updating the device themselves.
Also Honeycomb on the Xoom, at least as it seems, was not modified by Motorola. Therefore I would assume that it is stock 3.0. It hasn't been touched by anyone else but Google. Where was it confirmed that it was not pure AOSP?
Except that the Xoom debuted as Moto's and Verizon's product back in January, because of this you can expect it to not be pure AOSP, at the very least the tethering functionality will me messed with so that verizon can get their greedy cut.
Google is just helping out and using it to develop tablet functionality.
If this was a Google Device, you wouldn't be seein actual proper marketing for it. *snicker*
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Except that the Xoom debuted as Moto's and Verizon's product back in January, because of this you can expect it to not be pure AOSP, at the very least the tethering functionality will me messed with so that verizon can get their greedy cut.
Google is just helping out and using it to develop tablet functionality.
If this was a Google Device, you wouldn't be seen actual proper marketing for it. *snicker*
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I assumed Google simply used Verizon to market the device and allow it to be on a major network, then asked Motorola to make the device for them.
Obviously I was wrong.
Apparently Google isn't going the way of it's phones and making a "Nexus" line for tablets. It seemed that from now on with each new major release of Android we would get a flagship, AOSP device from Google themselves.
Yeah, this doesnt appear to be a Google/Nexus device, unfortunately. Silver lining is that it seems like Moto isn't futzing with it TOO much, probably to get it out in time to compete and get a head start on the ipad2.
sure of that?
To clarify, Motorola XOOM is a Google Experience Device and the first tablet to incorporate Android 3.0 Honeycomb. As such, Motorola Mobility has worked closely with Google to develop and optimize the Honeycomb OS on XOOM, and has no plans to customize the software with MotoBlur
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The above came from intomobile site and I also found contradictions from other motorola execs that blur could come later.
Of course the words "no plans" doesn't preclude them coming up with a plan.
Perhaps we're looking at a saner 3-party update model for Xoom? Carrier for the radio firmware and crapware (as long as I can remove it), the manufacturer for driver level hardware facing stuff and the Goog for all else. Of course this assumes no blur.
"planned obsolescence" is the big issue here.
this is a pure google experience stop coming up with non sense about moto blur because you won't ever see it on the xoom
Holy thread necro, batmam!
The way I'm seeing it (pure speculation). Is that it might not being a full on "Nexus" device. At worse it is on par with the original Droid. If it was wifi only I would think it would be better as Verizon wouldn't have a say in the firmware update, but there is a 3g verizon version so that might effect update (even for the wifi only version)
one of the thing i like to mention is, the last patch/upgrade on the XOOM.
the file 99b3b5f5dcde.signed-trygon-HRI66-from-HRI39.99b3b5f5.zip doesn't seems to come directly from google servers.
i have tried to search for any download link that is directly from google, but no luck. most of them are like cache copy on megaupload or somewhere else.
unlink the nexus line of phones, you are able to get the download directly from google servers. something like below.
http://android.clients.google.com/p...signed-passion-GRI40-from-FRG83G.81304b2d.zip
my conclusion is that the updates will not come directly from google, but from motorola. hence proving that this is not a official google support device.
just a thought.
again, i might be wrong.
The FUD around this device is out of control.
If I were a mod I'd have to warn a large % of this thread.
If those fear mongering took one minute you could find an article such as this: http://www.intomobile.com/2011/01/21/motorola-xoom-android-motoblur/
Which confirms that, yes, the Xoom is a pure android experience device, and no, it will not be seeing motoblur.
How are debunked rumors still circulating?
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To clarify, Motorola XOOM is a Google Experience Device and the first tablet to incorporate Android 3.0 Honeycomb. As such, Motorola Mobility has worked closely with Google to develop and optimize the Honeycomb OS on XOOM, and has no plans to customize the software with MotoBlur.
inrelief said:
The FUD around this device is out of control.
If I were a mod I'd have to warn a large % of this thread.
If those fear mongering took one minute you could find an article such as this: http://www.intomobile.com/2011/01/21/motorola-xoom-android-motoblur/
Which confirms that, yes, the Xoom is a pure android experience device, and no, it will not be seeing motoblur.
How are debunked rumors still circulating?
(quote from the article)
To clarify, Motorola XOOM is a Google Experience Device and the first tablet to incorporate Android 3.0 Honeycomb. As such, Motorola Mobility has worked closely with Google to develop and optimize the Honeycomb OS on XOOM, and has no plans to customize the software with MotoBlur.
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Agreed, that still doesn't make it a Nexus or a developer device. Meaning that Motorola is most likely to be the one responsible for updating the device.
Like it was mentioned countless of time, see this as the original DROID and history should repeat itself for updates as well as not being soiled with Motoblur.
inrelief said:
The FUD around this device is out of control.
If I were a mod I'd have to warn a large % of this thread.
If those fear mongering took one minute you could find an article such as this: http://www.intomobile.com/2011/01/21/motorola-xoom-android-motoblur/
Which confirms that, yes, the Xoom is a pure android experience device, and no, it will not be seeing motoblur.
How are debunked rumors still circulating?
(quote from the article)
To clarify, Motorola XOOM is a Google Experience Device and the first tablet to incorporate Android 3.0 Honeycomb. As such, Motorola Mobility has worked closely with Google to develop and optimize the Honeycomb OS on XOOM, and has no plans to customize the software with MotoBlur.
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Apparently this is the fox news version of a xoom thread. No fact checking
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I'm just curious but since ICS is coming, what does that mean for us? All I've heard is another UI overhaul for phones to give them more honeycomb, but what do we get? If Hardware Acceleration is in then I would be happy, but there doesn't seem to be anything in it for us tablet users.
Unless I'm missing something.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2393797,00.asp#fbid=eHhpmAndRdICant really say kinda early..heres something I found but still unsure
I hope it means an update and AOSP!!
Not sure what the link was for...... Didn't tell me anything I didn't already know. Sorry. But I'm just not sure if I would be excited about ics on my Xoom.
Imma say that it will be on the original Xoom's without a doubt. I read in an article that ICS will be able to run on older devices, thus it's almost a guarantee the Xoom will see it officially. Annnnd for some reason it does not... have no fear, as the devs will be here to solve that problem! The OG Droid was left out of the update loop awhile back because newer models replaced it, but we still have the most current updates on it thanks to the brilliant devs. Just gotta have some faith in your XDA community, and they will figure something out.
But again, I think the OP wants to know (...like I also do) what's the big improvement gonna be?
As I stated on another recent post, the big deal for me as I see it is that (presumably) the SC for HC will be released and then the ROM goodness will follow. But if it's anything like what happened with Froyo, etc, the Honeycomb custom ROMs will kick the stock Icecream Sandwichs' ass.
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But again, I think the OP wants to know (...like I also do) what's the big improvement gonna be?
As I stated on another recent post, the big deal for me as I see it is that (presumably) the SC for HC will be released and then the ROM goodness will follow. But if it's anything like what happened with Froyo, etc, the Honeycomb custom ROMs will kick the stock Icecream Sandwichs' ass.
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Thanks for being the only reply actually related to my post, but Google had stated a long time ago that the SC for hc will never be released as the SC for ics will be released instead. But since phones will get more hc goodness, what do we get?(which is the main question in the topic)
I think at this point, it's a wait-and-see kind of thing.
But I think finally having the source code is the biggest news here. I think it will be the dawning of a golden age for the XOOM, so to speak.
Also, one advantage to the phone side getting lumped in to the same OS is that we will see a boost in apps that are tablet optimized since the devs will be able to work all of it into one .apk instead of focusing on two separate projects.
These are the two things I'm personally looking forward to the most as far as the tablet side goes.
Of course, it would be nice to be surprised, too.
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Thanks for being the only reply actually related to my post, but Google had stated a long time ago that the SC for hc will never be released as the SC for ics will be released instead. But since phones will get more hc goodness, what do we get?(which is the main question in the topic)
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Well, I think, since ICS will be open source, we will get additional development for the Xoom, beyond the wonderful feature additions and enhancements we have gotten with the limited HC.
Don't you think so?
From my understanding, Ice Cream Sandwich is an over haul for phones to bring out an honeycomb interface while allowing for tablet support as well and it will be more controlled by the king them self, Google.
What this means? All android devices will now be updated at the same time as it'll be more tightly integrated which means developers will need to start just making widgets for there own devices instead of a completely different interfaces like they do today. In a way, it'll be exactly what Honeycomb tablets are today (if you look at all the honeycomb tablets that's out, the interface is the same, only differences is that others will have widgets and/or wallpapers designed just for there tablets (i.e., samsung has the touchwiz) but can be upgraded all the same).
This is supposed to be more more uniform support and faster updates.
Will this go into effect right away? Probably not since the manufacturers will still need to make to update go through but we should also expect to see faster updates as well (there's still a lot of users out there still waiting on Gingerbread releases for there devices so with this making it more uniformed should allow for faster releases).
This is only from what I've heard, though.
This is from a PC World article this morning:
Although Google has kept its cards close to its vest about ICS, a number of things have been reported about it.
Widgets will be richer and resizable, as they are in the tablet version of Android.
More multitasking will be added to the system and the OS will be open source.
The system will be tailored to take advantage of devices that use the Texas Instrument's OMAP chip.
As with any Android upgrade, what Android devices will be eligible for the new system will remain with the manufacturers, but two good bets for the upgraded OS are the Samsung Nexus S and the Motorola Xoom.
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I think it is important to understand one thing about ICS. It is intended to reunify the OS on all device types (like iOS). What this means for tablet (and conversely smartphone) users is that app development will improve and we will get better apps. These apps will make it easier to share functions between your tablet and your smartphone.
We would have found out more next Tuesday, but the announcements for ICS have been postponed. The postponement was for a good reason though. We still don't know what the reschedule date will be, other than sometime this month.
I know Honeycomb is pretty much obsolete, but I've wanted it more than I've wanted ICS for the Kindle.... I've looked at how to port a ROM, and but none of it made sense to me. I will keep trying, but I don't want to risk bricking my Kindle again from something I've made. I'm asking for a seasoned ROM builder who knows what they're doing. I want 3.2 rather than 3.0 because of Project Chameleon coming out in almost 2 months... Please help me out here. Thanks!
I would like this too, just to try it out.
As I understand, Google never released the source to Honeycomb, so no ROMS.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=986308
From what I heard, but it was released, and but it was released at the same time as the ICS source was, and so most demand for it went with ICS instead of Honeycomb...
The SDK is available on the Google SDK Manager, and it may not have as many as components as ICS, but it's still there. It has:
-SDK Platform
-Samples for SDK
-XOOM2ME by Motorola Mobility, Inc.
-XOOM2ME by Motorola Mobility, Inc.
I hope this is useful for future reference.
I wouldn't consider honeycomb obsolete. It's older, and designed for tablets. I'm sure an optimized version would run a lot better than ICS on the fire. In my experience, though, I've never seen any ICS rom truly run on the KF, only crawl, with a limp, and a severed leg. I currently have GB, but as google pointed out, it's not really tablet optimized.
For some reason I agree with this. I would LOVE to install Honeycomb on my Fire HD 6... I don't know why but I've always liked Honeycomb's aesthetic