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Hello all -
I am getting my Tilt from AT&T tomorrow and I've been reading like crazy on this forum + wiki in preparation of getting it. Thanks to everyone who has contributed - awesome resource!
I understand the idea of flashing ROMS, unlocking, and general tweaking - I massively hacking/tweak my Tivo, etc. and I'm pretty sure I can get through it. But, I still have one question:
What, exactly, is the advantage of the HTC rom over the AT&T Tilt rom? I have never see the HTC rom but it looks like I can avoid the bloatware and add/tweak to my Tilt to make it similar to the HTC.
So, what exactly is on (or not on) the HTC rom that makes everyone want to switch away from the Tilt rom? What does the HTC rom have that the AT&T rom can't have???
Also: I have noticed some posts about battery life being different with different roms. I assumed that battery life would result from the way the varoius settings/options are set, but maybe I am not getting this.
I have read around on the forum quite a bit and I am understanding most of the nitty gritty details about these issues, but I'm a little unclear on what the problem is with the AT&T rom in the first place!
Any advice apreciated!! thanks - Dave
I get my Tilt Tuesday and am wondering what the "bottom line" is on this as well. It seems by removing bloatware, and installing a few cabs, you pretty much get a Kaiser. Speed and battery life are concerns for me though and if either is poor, I'm pretty comfortable installing a ROM (did it previously on my Wizard). Thanks to all for all the good info and advice. I've read way too much considering I don't even have the phone yet.
Hopefully we'll get an answer. On another forum I've read that you can install cabs to make the Tilt like the HTC, but on another thread I read that the HTC rom is different and better!
I'm not seeing any major disadvantages from using the HTC rom, actually, besides the menu problems which evidently have a fix. So, it might be worth a shot.
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dhecker said:
Hello all -
I am getting my Tilt from AT&T tomorrow and I've been reading like crazy on this forum + wiki in preparation of getting it. Thanks to everyone who has contributed - awesome resource!
I understand the idea of flashing ROMS, unlocking, and general tweaking - I massively hacking/tweak my Tivo, etc. and I'm pretty sure I can get through it. But, I still have one question:
What, exactly, is the advantage of the HTC rom over the AT&T Tilt rom? I have never see the HTC rom but it looks like I can avoid the bloatware and add/tweak to my Tilt to make it similar to the HTC.
So, what exactly is on (or not on) the HTC rom that makes everyone want to switch away from the Tilt rom? What does the HTC rom have that the AT&T rom can't have???
Also: I have noticed some posts about battery life being different with different roms. I assumed that battery life would result from the way the varoius settings/options are set, but maybe I am not getting this.
I have read around on the forum quite a bit and I am understanding most of the nitty gritty details about these issues, but I'm a little unclear on what the problem is with the AT&T rom in the first place!
Any advice apreciated!! thanks - Dave
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custom roms base on htc releases have many advantages:
1- get rid of all junk and restrictions of at&t one
2- reg hacks and fixes that take the most out of your phone
3- many more advantages but if numbered here will take me all night
search in these forum and you get many other reasons to change. For example i bought the tilt and in the same day i unlock it due a hardspl and change the rom to a custom one and beleive i will never come back to at&t stock rom.
I was in your guys shoes too. I read a ton on this forum before I got the phone. Here is my advice having had 2 Tilts, first one I had for a week, then returned it till I got a better deal.
When you first start the phone you go through a quick WM6 setup. After that it will say "Customizing Device" and there will be a progress bar. When this starts reset the phone with the stylus into the small hole at the bottom. That will prevent a lot of the ATT bloatware from loading.
Try that for a week, and if it isn't broke then don't fix it.
That said, there are a lot of HTC apps I love. Keep in mind you don't need a new rom to install them.
I would only try new ROMs if one or more of the following apply:
1) You are having some issues with stability or speed.
2) You need more space on the main memory.
3) You are lazy and want to try some other premade package.
Basically all the roms I tried are not that different then the stock ATT rom without the "Customizations" bloatware install. Plus you can get the phone to the exact same level by installing apps and doing small tweaks. Its not night and day or anything dramatic. However its fun to try new things and tweak the phone, thats one of the reasons I got it.
Here are my Must Have applications.
HTC Home
HTC Audio Manager
KaiserTweak
HTC Task Manager
Opera Mini Beta 4
Google Maps
Windows Live
Pops_G said:
I was in your guys shoes too. I read a ton on this forum before I got the phone. Here is my advice having had 2 Tilts, first one I had for a week, then returned it till I got a better deal.
When you first start the phone you go through a quick WM6 setup. After that it will say "Customizing Device" and there will be a progress bar. When this starts reset the phone with the stylus into the small hole at the bottom. That will prevent a lot of the ATT bloatware from loading.
Try that for a week, and if it isn't broke then don't fix it.
That said, there are a lot of HTC apps I love. Keep in mind you don't need a new rom to install them.
I would only try new ROMs if one or more of the following apply:
1) You are having some issues with stability or speed.
2) You need more space on the main memory.
3) You are lazy and want to try some other premade package.
Basically all the roms I tried are not that different then the stock ATT rom without the "Customizations" bloatware install. Plus you can get the phone to the exact same level by installing apps and doing small tweaks. Its not night and day or anything dramatic. However its fun to try new things and tweak the phone, thats one of the reasons I got it.
Here are my Must Have applications.
HTC Home
HTC Audio Manager
KaiserTweak
HTC Task Manager
Opera Mini Beta 4
Google Maps
Windows Live
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Pops, thanks for your informative reply. Is there really ANYTHING that the HTC rom can do that couldn't be somehow configured into the AT&T rom? I don't really mind flashing to a new rom but if I can start with the Tilt rom and configure everything I need (even if it takes a while ) that might be fine.
Am I correct in understanding that TouchFlo can work just fine on the AT&T rom? There are mixed messages about that.
Also, does any of this have anything to do with battery life??
thanks!
It all comes down to preferrences. I have a Tilt, and I have installed just about every ROM available here. I keep going back to HTC oriented ROMS, but there is some drawback in that you have to "tweak" it a bit usually to get full AT&T usability. AT&T ROMS are good for staying "true" to the carrier's mindset, but usually are buggy or slower. Dutty's right now is my fav, but that could change
Battery life is best controlled with 2 applications, both the Kaiser Tweak program, and with a good comm manager program to disable comm when not in use. Or at least move between 2G and 3G connections. 3G is awesome fast, but a hugh battery drain.
Thanks for your input! I played with a Tllt for a while and the AT&T rom might have been slower (I don't know cause I've never seen the HTC!) but it was totally stable as far as I could tell. Is there some specific bugginess that you saw or are you just referring to the general sloppiness of the AT&T bundles, etc.?
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Pops, thanks for your informative reply. Is there really ANYTHING that the HTC rom can do that couldn't be somehow configured into the AT&T rom? I don't really mind flashing to a new rom but if I can start with the Tilt rom and configure everything I need (even if it takes a while ) that might be fine.
Am I correct in understanding that TouchFlo can work just fine on the AT&T rom? There are mixed messages about that.
Also, does any of this have anything to do with battery life??
thanks!
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No, there is nothing you cannot do with the AT&T rom given enough time and tweaking. Before I got my phone I some how got the impression ROMs where almost like a different animal. I think a better analogy would be comparing them to a house with furniture. The different ROMs are just different styles.
But if you are a real power user, and it sounds like you are, I would just use another ROM and start from there. You will save some time. I'm a fan of the "clean" ROMs that some with almost nothing installed. Then I build them up from there. They are very easy to install if you read the instructions. And it only takes like 10-15 mins max.
Pops - That last comment was interesting. I can totally see the advantage of installing a lite rom or for that matter, a fully loaded Dutty's rom, etc. My concern was that if I did that, I'd actually wind up having to tweak for a while to get things smooth on the Tilt since I wouldn't be using the 'stock' rom. The assumption is the everything would work on day 1 with the stock rom, so I can tweak but I never have to really get things going.
In your experience, if I installed the most recent version of Dutty's Hybrid Kaiser TouchFlo Final (if I'm gonna flash the rom, I might as well load it up) that things would be about as stable/easy as if I spent time customized the AT&T rom?
If there's not too much risk or BS I might just go for it! There is something about keeping the original rom that makes me feel more confident, but it's also fun to tweak on the thing!
Well there are two types of Kaisers right now. The original HTC branded one and the Tilt. They are different in 2 ways. For the Tilt, some roms require you to install a keyboard fix for a minor adjustment. Also you have to configure the AT&T internet settings. It depends on the ROM. Some of the ROMs are already designed for the Tilt.
To answer your question, yes some of these ROMs can have you up and running without any tweaking or adjustments at all. Just read their instructions, it varies for each one.
For me, if I start with a stripped down ROM it takes me about 2 hours or more to install all of my apps and tweaks. For the fully featured ROMs like Dutty's, you can be ready to go in 20-30mins.
I installed the HTC stock ROM on my Tilt for the same reason I install reference drivers for my video card:
1. They are more true to the manufacturer's specifications.
2. There are more frequent and faster updates available.
Number 2 was the most important for me, even though HTC has not released an updated ROM yet...but when they do, I know that I can install it and it will be closer to what I have been using.
I had the Tilt ROM installed for a few weeks before I reverted to the HTC ROM. I also installed the HTC customizations on the Tilt ROM and played with that for a while. I noticed slight differences between the applications like the HTC Home application UI behavour has minor differences. There was also more available memory on the HTC ROM from the Tilt ROM even after I cancelled the Tilt customizations from installing.
Oh here is a neat program to help you test different ROMs without losing your contacts, SMS, call history etc.
PIM Backup
Have to throw my 2 cents in also.
Just got the Tilt last month,and after my initial fear of flashing(and succesfully installing HARDSPL) I've flashed lots of these ROM's too. I however, have to agree with Pops_G, the best solution I've found has been a "clean ROM" and customize it the way I want. I prefer the ATT versions over the monochrome/big clock/UGLY UI that the Kaiser ones have. I've been using Kyphur's Tilt XDA-Live v1.1 and love it. It provides the most storage of ANY of the custom ROMs and has the newest radio also. It shows a significant difference in my area;where the signal borders on weak.
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Ok, these kinds of opinions and comments are really helping out. I think I'm gonna do this:
1) When the Tilt comes (today!) I'll play with the AT&T stock ROM for a while and get a feel for it.
2) Then, I'm going to flash Dutty's ROM - it has just about everything and it will give me a chance to look at everything from the Cube to the HTC apps and everything else. In general, I like to strip things out of my systems rather than bloat it out, but this sounds like an easy way to check it all out in one go.
3) Most likely I'll be want to install Tilt XDA Lite once I've had a chance to fool around with the others. With a clean start like that I can install the apps I want and get the thing fast/stable for good.
Sounds like fun! Here I go..
dhecker said:
Ok, these kinds of opinions and comments are really helping out. I think I'm gonna do this:
1) When the Tilt comes (today!) I'll play with the AT&T stock ROM for a while and get a feel for it.
2) Then, I'm going to flash Dutty's ROM - it has just about everything and it will give me a chance to look at everything from the Cube to the HTC apps and everything else. In general, I like to strip things out of my systems rather than bloat it out, but this sounds like an easy way to check it all out in one go.
3) Most likely I'll be want to install Tilt XDA Lite once I've had a chance to fool around with the others. With a clean start like that I can install the apps I want and get the thing fast/stable for good.
Sounds like fun! Here I go..
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Give yourself some time with each Rom (a few days) to really get a feel for it. Also know that your battery is going to be crap for a couple of weeks until it is properly "conditioned" so don't even include that in your comparison.
Another thing you need to consider what are you looking to gain from using a cooked rom? While it can be nice to have a lot of apps mixed in once there is a new version of an app you have to either flash an updated rom or install the update over the cooked version in which case you are now losing memory as the files in the rom can't really be deleted (only marked as such)...
kypher: Thanks for your input. I am interest in your comment about having apps in the rom, space, etc.
Am I understanding that when there are apps built into the rom, those apps can't really be updated/upgraded/(deleted?) without reflashing the rom?
So, with a stripped down rom could a user install the various apps and have the ability to upgrade/uninstall/delete those apps whenever they wanted to?
That seems like a major advantage to using a lite rom then building it up on your own, which is looking more and more like the way to go! Any clarification appreciated.
dhecker said:
Am I understanding that when there are apps built into the rom, those apps can't really be updated/upgraded/(deleted?) without reflashing the rom?
So, with a stripped down rom could a user install the various apps and have the ability to upgrade/uninstall/delete those apps whenever they wanted to?
That seems like a major advantage to using a lite rom then building it up on your own, which is looking more and more like the way to go! Any clarification appreciated.
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Technically you can update (or even delete) the apps that are cooked in BUT... you've already paid in storage space for the files. When you upgrade the cooked files are marked as deleted so the files from the cab can overwrite them BUT... the files can't actually be deleted so if you have a 4MB program (like MS Voice Command) cooked in and you get an upgrade then you are actually paying 8MB of storage for the program now.
In short, even though the files are marked as deleted and you phone acts like they are deleted, you can't recover the memory they used if the files are cooked into the Rom. This is the primary reason I'm stripping XDA Live down as close to the undershorts as I can.
Well, the phone came this afternoon and I've been fooling around with it ever since. So far, so good!
I like the AT&T Tilt setup a lot. But, being a long-time geek I just couldn't resist and now I'm flashing Dutty's Tilt Rom. I'll play with that for a while, then maybe think about a long-term setup. It's kind of nice being able to flash the rom as I don't have to worry too much about screwing up the configuration since I can reflash at any time.
much fun! thanks everyone
I would like to try different ROMs as well, but I would like to be able to go back to ATT Tilt ROM if need be. How can I backup my original ATT ROM, so that I can flash back to it, if I needed to?
I've been doing a metric ton of reading before I flash my first rom. I was all set to flash P10.1 when I read a few posts by DG that led me to believe that Cog3 might be right around the corner.
Now I've read a further few posts by DG that state that Cognition is dead, because (his reasoning) Cog was always a pure-Captivate rom, & the latest rom he's working on isn't purely Captivate-based. Another few of his posts & accompanying posts by other users in those threads have led me to believe that whatever he's got cooking will be based on the "official" Rogers FroYo release. Maybe it's mostly based from that stock rom but has other add-ons from the i9000 line (i.e. to make it not pure-Captivate)?
After all my reading, I think that flashing a Captivate-based rom would be the way to go, if only for the fact that it would include the ability to utilize the sound processor (afaik, there aren't i9000-based roms that can do this, correct?).
Anyway, I'm sitting here twiddling my thumbs since Monday waiting to see what DG's got in the oven & figured I'd start a thread to see what you all thought. This will be my first flash, & I don't plan to do a ton of switching around, so I want to get it "right" the first time.
tl;dr What's next from DG??
Just know that once you flash a rom, it wont be your last. DG roms are very good, along with Phoenix & Serendipity(my favorite).
I've flashed a handful of DG roms & I personally always find myself flashing back to one of Mikeys roms, he really knows his stuff.
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t-readyroc said:
I've been doing a metric ton of reading before I flash my first rom. I was all set to flash P10.1 when I read a few posts by DG that led me to believe that Cog3 might be right around the corner.
Now I've read a further few posts by DG that state that Cognition is dead, because (his reasoning) Cog was always a pure-Captivate rom, & the latest rom he's working on isn't purely Captivate-based. Another few of his posts & accompanying posts by other users in those threads have led me to believe that whatever he's got cooking will be based on the "official" Rogers FroYo release. Maybe it's mostly based from that stock rom but has other add-ons from the i9000 line (i.e. to make it not pure-Captivate)?
After all my reading, I think that flashing a Captivate-based rom would be the way to go, if only for the fact that it would include the ability to utilize the sound processor (afaik, there aren't i9000-based roms that can do this, correct?).
Anyway, I'm sitting here twiddling my thumbs since Monday waiting to see what DG's got in the oven & figured I'd start a thread to see what you all thought. This will be my first flash, & I don't plan to do a ton of switching around, so I want to get it "right" the first time.
tl;dr What's next from DG??
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This is what we all said before we popped the cherry!LOL
Well last I thought DesignGears was working on the Gingerbread ROM for Galaxy S Phone ported from the Nexus S. And Supercurio was working with the Cyanogen Team on the project as well so maybe they're all in kahootz now. They haven't posted an update on it in awhile so maybe it's coming along good.
But it would be nice to get ahold of that Rogers Froyo, at a good stable point. At least then we'd have everything built for our Captivates specifically.
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But it would be nice to get ahold of that Rogers Froyo, at a good stable point. At least then we'd have everything built for our Captivates specifically.
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Right, & I believe that this is what's happening now. The Rogers Froyo that was just officially released via Kies is what I think DG's working with.
Am I totally off-base w/the Captivate/i9000/sound processor bit?
& yeah, I know what you all mean about constantly switching around, but I really only flashed a handful of times w/my old HTC. Guess I'm lazy
I started off as a noob, and basically still am. My first flash was cog 2.8 I believe. Now its something different every other day. You can't stop yourself one you've started.
Its an addiction for sure. Best of luck flashing once and that's it. I hope that works better for you than it did for me.
I'm so addicted that I got my wife a captivate also so I can try things on hers to see the differences from what I'm running.
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I'm digging the work being done on the armani rom.
From a phone
As the poster above stated, many devs are working on an Armani JL1 rom right now. I am unsure what DG is doing/planning though. Just putting it out there.
Just like t-readyroc I've been holding off on my first flash. I don't think I can wait for official froyo any longer. I just keep thinking that once I flash a newer, more stable, rom will be released. So I don't know if I should wait or just take the plunge.
I'm still reading around on the most stable release. Any one have recommendations on a rom that is stable and easy to install.
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My choices before hearing that DG's latest release is imminent were Phoenix 3.0 & Perception 10.1. Now I'm also reading that Phoenix 3.5 is imminent. Bah!
Great, thanks t-readyroc for making my decision even harder. Lol
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t-readyroc said:
I've been doing a metric ton of reading before I flash my first rom. I was all set to flash P10.1 when I read a few posts by DG that led me to believe that Cog3 might be right around the corner.
Now I've read a further few posts by DG that state that Cognition is dead, because (his reasoning) Cog was always a pure-Captivate rom, & the latest rom he's working on isn't purely Captivate-based. Another few of his posts & accompanying posts by other users in those threads have led me to believe that whatever he's got cooking will be based on the "official" Rogers FroYo release. Maybe it's mostly based from that stock rom but has other add-ons from the i9000 line (i.e. to make it not pure-Captivate)?
After all my reading, I think that flashing a Captivate-based rom would be the way to go, if only for the fact that it would include the ability to utilize the sound processor (afaik, there aren't i9000-based roms that can do this, correct?).
Anyway, I'm sitting here twiddling my thumbs since Monday waiting to see what DG's got in the oven & figured I'd start a thread to see what you all thought. This will be my first flash, & I don't plan to do a ton of switching around, so I want to get it "right" the first time.
tl;dr What's next from DG??
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I flashed my first rom the other day (Serendipity 2.0) from stock, and the difference has been NIGHT & DAY! It blows my mind that Samsung can put out somthing THAT crappy compared to what their device is capable of.
Then yesterday I flashed a new modem and kernel. I'm hooked.
What's the benefits of a new modem and kernel?
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t-readyroc said:
This will be my first flash, & I don't plan to do a ton of switching around, so I want to get it "right" the first time.
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yeah, right...
come back in a couple of months and read your own post, you will lol
JohnnyDanger said:
Just like t-readyroc I've been holding off on my first flash. I don't think I can wait for official froyo any longer. I just keep thinking that once I flash a newer, more stable, rom will be released. So I don't know if I should wait or just take the plunge.
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if you keep waiting for what's around the corner, you will never get anywhere. stop torturing yourself and flash something. if you don't like a rom, you can always go back to stock and try something else
For what its worth I think it would be great to have Supercurio's audio tweaks integrated into the FireBird Kernel. Truly an enhancement.
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if you keep waiting for what's around the corner, you will never get anywhere. stop torturing yourself and flash something. if you don't like a rom, you can always go back to stock and try something else
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See, for me, it's going to be the constant app/music/data restores every time that'll prevent me from being a flash-whore...
Anyway, to get back OT, one of the reasons I was really interested in P10.1 was the fact that the launcher works in landscape mode. Are there others that do the same?
& again back OT: Captivate/i9000 roms & the use (or lack thereof) of the Captivate's hardware audio processor - are there any kernels that work with i9000 roms that make use of it? Or are all i9000 roms stuck doing the processing in software?
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See, for me, it's going to be the constant app/music/data restores every time that'll prevent me from being a flash-whore...
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purchase titanium backup pro
it takes about 20 minutes from start to finish to flash a new rom for the complete process.
I said the same thing, "gonna find my fav rom and stick with it" That was a few years and phones ago and still flashing like crazy lol
But see, flashing whole new roms for the most part is almost a waste of time. Because usually why do you flash a new rom?
From the looks of a lot of ROM threads, going from release to release all the changes a lot of times are the installed system apps, and the themes to go with them. Yes, occasionaly there is a bigger release that warrants a new kernel or something of that nature.
To me, as an end user, ROM's could all use the same base rom (which they don't) and most people wouldn't know the difference. So find a ROM that doesn't force close on you, and flash the themes and apps you want into your ROM.
Personally I went from Flashing every ROM out there, and then just sticking to one that works, is deodexed so I can do whatever I want to it, and won't cause me to throw my phone in the trash.
I've been in the Development forum and the threads are sometimes over 400 pages. I was wanting to see a more concise thread on what you're using. Specifically the ROM, the kernel, the radio, etc. If you're having any issues please add them and let me know how the ROM is working for you. I'm interested in a few different ROMs, but chosing which kernel and radio to get them to work properly is a pain to find in the 200-400 page threads.
Most of us rep our current ROM and kernel in our sigs. I personally tried to link the radio too, but the URL was too long.
As to the length of threads/ forums, you can refine your search to the current forum or thread you are on right above the thread/ post list at the right of the frame.
They tried doing this a few months back, doing reviews about roms and known bugs and such. It didn't get very far. While its a good idea, the very nature of roms is "change" so while a review might be valid and have the correct bugs, it could be invalid next week, due to update made to the rom. The best way to evaluate a rom your considering choosing, is reading the change log, and the last ten or more pages of the roms thread, that should give you an idea if any one is having any major bugs.
ROMs are based personally. Try them all then pick.
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Maybe if the Roms stated "Final Version" on them you could pull this off. But None do.
After a lot of unhelpful replies, I'll respond to the question the person actually asked.
I'm using Lees Rom and Kernal and LOVE it. I settle on it after a friend told me it was his favorite and after trying about 4 other ROMs with crappy results.
It is loaded with features and it also has a patch to use Sense 3.0. I personally like Sense more than any custom attempts I have seen and 3.0 is worlds better than 2.x
I still have the stock radio because I can't seem to get it to update. I have been trying by renaming the radio img zip to P98img.zip (or whatever its called) and updating through the bootloader on the phone. But it always gives me an error parsing the package.
Only thing that worries me is that for some reason (the last few times I tried) I couldn't get into bootloader/recovery by holding volume- while booting. So if the phone ever gets locked up, I'm not sure how to recover. You can get into either through the custom power down menu though which is very cool.
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After a lot of unhelpful replies, I'll respond to the question the person actually asked.
I'm using Lees Rom and Kernal and LOVE it. I settle on it after a friend told me it was his favorite and after trying about 4 other ROMs with crappy results.
It is loaded with features and it also has a patch to use Sense 3.0. I personally like Sense more than any custom attempts I have seen and 3.0 is worlds better than 2.x
I still have the stock radio because I can't seem to get it to update. I have been trying by renaming the radio img zip to P98img.zip (or whatever its called) and updating through the bootloader on the phone. But it always gives me an error parsing the package.
Only thing that worries me is that for some reason (the last few times I tried) I couldn't get into bootloader/recovery by holding volume- while booting. So if the phone ever gets locked up, I'm not sure how to recover. You can get into either through the custom power down menu though which is very cool.
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And I'm sure you'll be back to update your post once those issues in Lee's ROM are resolved, or you figure out it wasn't the ROM fault, after all, or if you decide you don't like sense anymore, right?
That's what those "unhelpful" posts were trying to get across.
These things change. ROMs get fixed.
Sometimes users of ROMs pull their heads out of their ass' and figure out their problems were actually of their own creation, after they blamed the ROM.
So when a new user comes around a month from now, finds a best ROM post that has obsolete information, that new user will form an unfair opinion of what might now be (or always was) a great ROM.
Now *that's* unhelpful.
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Only thing that worries me is that for some reason (the last few times I tried) I couldn't get into bootloader/recovery by holding volume- while booting. So if the phone ever gets locked up, I'm not sure how to recover. You can get into either through the custom power down menu though which is very cool.
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be sure you have Fastboot turned off in Applications.
Another thing you can do is download Quickboot from the market...then boot into bootloader from there. Quickboot>bootloader
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After a lot of unhelpful replies, I'll respond to the question the person actually asked..
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Really? You call me unhelpfull for being honest yet you post and don't even post anything helpful. infact you noobed the whole post. You can't even flash a radio...Or figure out how to boot into recovery....Your Rom information is valueless. You should jump off your pedistal before you fall....Or someone pushes you....
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Really? You call me unhelpfull for being honest yet you post and don't even post anything helpful. infact you noobed the whole post. You can't even flash a radio...Or figure out how to boot into recovery....Your Rom information is valueless. You should jump off your pedistal before you fall....Or someone pushes you....
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I think it was that "alot of unhelpful replies" part that did it for me.
I'm not looking to find out what Rom is best, but to see what combinations of roms, kernels, and radios you guys are using. It's almost impossible to find an exact combo and even harder to dig thru the threads to see what people are using.
I browse a lot of threads, have only commented a few times. Been browsing for a couple years when I flashed different WinMo 6.5 roms on my ATT Fuze, as well as loading and running Android 2.1 and 2.2 from the SD card on the same phone. I will +1 some of the advice heard here so far:
Start by looking at threads where the ROM's have been updated recently (within the ten days for me). Check the change log to see if it's new features, upgrades, or bug fixes in the current updates. Or if it's a mix of it all, but look for things that interest you. Then, as stated earlier in this thread, check the last ten pages, at least the ones since the current update became available.
Also, it helps me to watch who is responding on the threads. Many users will became recognizable to you by name and avatar, and watch their post counts too. Lastly, check their signatures, most of the active senior members keep it updated with the information you are looking for. If they put it in the sig, it's because they are happy with what works and want to share it. Until the next thing better comes along.
PS, yes, I don't post a lot and yes I'm still on stock. Running dual OS's on my fuze was easy, don't feel comfortable yet pulling the trigger on my Inspire, but I'm off for the summer soon, more time to spend on it.
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I'm not looking to find out what Rom is best, but to see what combinations of roms, kernels, and radios you guys are using. It's almost impossible to find an exact combo and even harder to dig thru the threads to see what people are using.
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I know you don't want to look through the threads, but that is kind of the requirement. Every rom, kernel, and radio is going to work differently on every phone. It's like buying to exact same lap tops with the same exact os and programs, and with out doing any thing, the next day one of them crashes.
To be honest, and as helpful as I can, the only way is read the last few posts in the thread, to see if there is any major bugs. Then flash the rom, kernel, and or radio and test them out on your phone.
louslugger15 said:
I'm not looking to find out what Rom is best, but to see what combinations of roms, kernels, and radios you guys are using. It's almost impossible to find an exact combo and even harder to dig thru the threads to see what people are using.
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That's the the thing, though. There'll be at least one person running every possible combo out there.
One will say it's da bomb, another will say it froze his phone.
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I know you don't want to look through the threads, but that is kind of the requirement. Every rom, kernel, and radio is going to work differently on every phone. It's like buying to exact same lap tops with the same exact os and programs, and with out doing any thing, the next day one of them crashes.
To be honest, and as helpful as I can, the only way is read the last few posts in the thread, to see if there is any major bugs. Then flash the rom, kernel, and or radio and test them out on your phone.
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+1 and ditto
What is the main point/purpose/question of starting this thread?
You say you don't want to find the "best" rom (granted your thread title does have the word ROM in it).....so you are trying to find the best combo correct? (which still depends on what you are trying to get out of the combo)
........And like its been said.....really just look at the sigs and the more "serious" devotees will have their ROM and more info all written in the sig (which is a two-fold thing 1. it promotes the work 2. for these type of questions (to give a sort-of consensus)
But that doesn't necessarily mean it will solve whatever you are trying to get out of this thread.......
because everything changes so rapidly, you have to keep up......or basically find the "best" parts that you won't/don't change much (like radios, etc.) and find the one you like.......then focus on the changeables like Rom, etc. because your view on roms change more frequently than the others.
All these types of topics are very subjective....and takes reading to find a "decent" answer to your question.....in the end your surrounded by a great community (XDA)...but ultimately your alone
If you get what im saying...
You could do the popularity thing......see whats in the sigs, and do that
If it works good for you.....don't worry about whats "best/better".......because you won't know whats better, you will just know what is working good for YOU (which is all that matters)
Lastly....to "answer your question".....lol......read my sig :-D
Yikes, I feel terrible for asking questions at such a basic level, but despite my tries, I haven't found an answer on the forums. If I missed anything obvious, please do point it out!
I've got a fairly new Samsung Infuse from AT&T, and I've been trying my hand at customization for a fair bit - graphic design is, in the end, the one thing I can say I'm actually good at. But between launchers, widgets and icon packs, there's only so much you can do, and the device does feel rather sluggish. At 109 apps, opening the app drawer takes up to 20 seconds, which is far from ideal.
I've been reading into custom ROMs and their possibilities, but I'm not entirely sure I understand their functionality and how to install one, so I'm hesitant to use one. Could anyone point me to some more information regarding this?
For the record; the device is rooted, and I'd like to think I know my way around a PC.
Here ya go bro.....
Maybe this will help...read carefully..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1293751
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verticae said:
Yikes, I feel terrible for asking questions at such a basic level, but despite my tries, I haven't found an answer on the forums. If I missed anything obvious, please do point it out!
I've got a fairly new Samsung Infuse from AT&T, and I've been trying my hand at customization for a fair bit - graphic design is, in the end, the one thing I can say I'm actually good at. But between launchers, widgets and icon packs, there's only so much you can do, and the device does feel rather sluggish. At 109 apps, opening the app drawer takes up to 20 seconds, which is far from ideal.
I've been reading into custom ROMs and their possibilities, but I'm not entirely sure I understand their functionality and how to install one, so I'm hesitant to use one. Could anyone point me to some more information regarding this?
For the record; the device is rooted, and I'd like to think I know my way around a PC.
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Welcome. Know that you have a decent phone with a gorgeous display.
Pick a thread and start reading.
Look around the themes and custom designs.
Read my post in the q,a section to get an idea if you wanted to were interested in flashing
20 seconds sounds ridiculous ._.
custom ROM's are fast, much faster than the stock one thanks to their being optimized. whilst i'm running on MIUI right now cause i got bored, i personally recommend the latest build of CM7 with the thunderbolt tweaks, definitely the fastest setup right now.
since you're already rooted, that makes things easier. you can simply hop onto the market, download ROM manager, load it up and flash CWM and you'll be ready to flash a different rom. just download the zip, copy it onto your phones internal memory, reboot, and follow the threads instructions (typically just wipe data/cache and then select the zip you want to install).
Thank you all for your posts!
Your links have cleared up a lot of things, and I'm currently getting ready to flash the latest CM7. I'll look into the thunderbolt tweaks as well, it looks rather interesting. Once again, thank you.
In my experience the stock rom is pretty snappy. I tried infused a long time ago with its voodoo file system and it was noticeably slower. Now I'm runnning miui and its damn quick. I just hope I can get this garbled font problem resolved.
Install miui and you'll understand why you would want to root. Alot of these roms are pretty close to stock aand overhyped but miui is a total rework and full of awesome.
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I have a Galaxy s blaze and i rooted it to get rid of the bloatware. I did not install CWM. Still on stock rom adn everything. I heard about "bln" and that it requires kernels that support it.
However it seems that only CM roms support this. I am satisfied with gingerbread so i will not flash any roms.
Is there not a kernel for gingerbread that i can flash?
-Thanks in advance
It's great that you recognize you are satisfied with GB, but I was also recently jealous of button light notifications so I looked a little into it, with getting them in ICS somehow. I was on stock rooted ICS for a time, found it fine, but it really seems that as time passed, advancements with features was always geared with whatever was the most recent.
Having BLN, from what I read anyways, requires both kernel support, as well as framework stuff that is usually just included with the rom. It seems the kernel stuff was on the easier side to do...
Assuming that is correct, if there's a kernel that supports BLN for it, you're going to need it in the rom anyway, and the stock rom doesn't do it. Which means you're going to be flashing anyway.
Having said all that, jellybean has some nice additions that certainly made it worthwhile for me to switch. I've been real happy with CM10, and wouldn't go back. But if I wanted to, it would literally only take a few minutes to switch back to ICS.
What I'm trying to say is...give an updated rom a try. I have a suspicion you'll not want to go back.
I get what you're saying. However for me its a more been there done that. I owned a Wildfire S and tried a lot of their roms and stuff but overall for me when it comes to phones i really like it normal. I hate now they includes their boot animations and extra backgrounds and all these extra options. I know they took their time to make it but i like the t-mobile feel of this branded t-mobile phone.
Anyway so you're saying i will have to flash roms if i want backlight features. However no GB roms support?
As I mentioned in the first reply, seemed that way to me when I was first looking for something with BLN.
As for the "boot animations and extra backgrounds and all these extra options." opinion, I'm not sure if this really makes sense to me.
Cyanogen for example, actually has a less obtrusive boot animation. I mean, it flashes Samsung briefly, than the circle shape cyanogen thing spins around for a bit, and then you can unlock your phone. I have not timed it, but I think it's even a faster boot time, this is good, right? I think most would agree the boot animation doesn't even matter, but let's be realistic, it's not like the stock boot animation on this phone is something that someone would say is cool, or anything. It just is.
As for the background situation... uh that doesn't make any sense either. As I'm sure you're aware you can use whatever background you want. Personally I have almost always used the "no wallpaper selection" because I like the plain black background. Icons and what not, are pretty much the same. Any of the "over stylized" stuff are just themes, something that's not even included with CM10 by default. If basic and not stylized is what you want, CM10 is EXACTLY that.
Heck, I'd go so far as to say that a large portion of the people who use CM10 like it for that very reason, because touchwiz is in fact the over modified monstrosity they are trying to get rid of.
As for the extra options...They are options, you don't have to use them. You don't even have to use BLN, but in your case I know you want to.
You can also very easily set it up to only have BLN active when you want it to, even on a scheduled basis, thanks to the alarm clock being able to change your profile, if you wish.
I've not used it so it's not a personal recommendation, but it sounds like AOKP might be something worth checking into for you.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1989825
If the icon placement and arrangement looks foreign to you, it's just a launcher. You don't even have to use it. Just saying.
In the end, customization is what makes Android great. If you want simple and straight forward, with additional features, loading a non-stock rom is by far the best way to get it!
Again I get what you mean but I've used cm on my wildfire and I didn't like it. Yeah it's a different phone but the basic rom itself is universal if I'm not mistaken just every phone have their different features. I like touchwiz and I love how fast and responsive my phone is now. I COULD get better performance from any other mod but I'm not willing to try that. My phone and my laptop don't really come across each other a lot and I like that. I don't wanna install cmw and do all this other stuff. For instance, with my wildfire I rooted and the only reason I did a custom rom was because I messed up the stock one without doing a backup. Everything worked fine for a few months then if I tried restart the phone it would boot loop. 10 minutes later after I had to re flash it and use titanium I had the phone back but it was a hassle. Maybe bad rom maybe my fault but that's the point I'm trying to say I don't want that stress. I even got tricked into updating the wildfire which turned out to slow it down even though most people said they got better performance.
Also I mean I bought a t mobile phone from Samsung and I like the professional boot animation representing that. I actually like watching the loading bar. It boots way faster than my wildfire and I only restart it when I'm in my room anyway so speed really isn't a priority for me in this department.
I just thought bln was a cool simple idea that maybe someone would have made compatible one gb and maybe I missed it when searching. But I guess not :/
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I just thought bln was a cool simple idea that maybe someone would have made compatible one gb and maybe I missed it when searching. But I guess not :/
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It wasn't simple. Still isn't. as BLN is still buggy for us.
Thanks I guess? I'll just check In a couple months and see if they make one for gb through Odin or something. :silly:
That's not gonna happen gingerbread is a wrap. Soon ICS will be too. Open the jelly bean jar or forget about bln. I use it and love it no kinks. Plus its a lifesaver when you didn't hear a text or noti .
I've not used it so it's not a personal recommendation, but it sounds like AOKP might be something worth checking into for you.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1989825
If the icon placement and arrangement looks foreign to you, it's just a launcher. You don't even have to use it. Just saying.
In the end, customization is what makes Android great. If you want simple and straight forward, with additional features, loading a non-stock rom is by far the best way to get it![/QUOTE]
I don't follow what you're saying. Couldn't find any support on bln and why that rom even exist?
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]I don't follow what you're saying. Couldn't find any support on bln and why that rom even exist?
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Aaaaaand I'm done.
So if you don't like a custom boot/shutdown animation what's stopping you from replacing it with the stock ones? That seems like a silly reason to avoid a rom
As others have stated, development for GB is over and done. If there's something you want that's missing in GB you need to change versions to get it. This rule applies to all OS's i.e. wanting trim in windows xp.
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