[Q] RUU update - HTC Sensation

Hey guys, wondering if anyone has the RUU to 2.3.4 for the TmoUS Sensation aka
RUU_Pyramid_TMOUS_1.45.531.1_Radio_10.56.9035.00U_ 10.14.9035.01_M
please? Or where can I get it? I have S-off and the .29 update... Any direction would help. I tried updating through settings/about phone/htc update and nothing yet... Or do I need to be S-on? Thank you.

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cgingermany said:
Hey guys, wondering if anyone has the RUU to 2.3.4 for the TmoUS Sensation aka
RUU_Pyramid_TMOUS_1.45.531.1_Radio_10.56.9035.00U_ 10.14.9035.01_M
please? Or where can I get it? I have S-off and the .29 update... Any direction would help. I tried updating through settings/about phone/htc update and nothing yet... Or do I need to be S-on? Thank you.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1074559
this link incldes the stock RUU roms for pyramid devices, not sure if the one you are after is there

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[RUU] RUU_Bravo_Froyo_TELUS_WWE_2.25.661.2_Radio_32.49.0 0.32U_5.11.05.27

Thanks to Football
http://www.multiupload.com/T5H6PHUL33
It's also available directly from HTC in OTA.
http://fotadl.htc.com/OTA_Bravo_Fro....2-1.29.661.1_R_release_Pf7sjzjrgcmpsve12.zip
cool, is this the full RUU with the radio vs what you posted sookster?
sookster54 said:
It's also available directly from HTC in OTA.
http://fotadl.htc.com/OTA_Bravo_Fro....2-1.29.661.1_R_release_Pf7sjzjrgcmpsve12.zip
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No, not also available from that link LOL did you even read the thread title. You're linking the FOTA update, I'm linking the RUU EXE
And yes its the full blown RUU with radio
dinaroga said:
cool, is this the full RUU with the radio vs what you posted sookster?
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Read the thread title
(btw, the OTA update has the radio too)
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!
Thanks so much!! Now I can continue to play away without worry that I can't get it back to factory defaults .
it is thanks to you that after 2 weeks of having my phone messed up because of a cyanogen mod stuck in an endless boot with no help from anyone in any forum..that i finally have a working phone.
THANK YOU SIR. you are a king amongst ANTS.
Is there a way to extract the update.zip? I need this to fix my phone and running the exe doesn't detect my phone.
Edit:
Don't worry about it I figured it out and fixed my phone
I think about a million Canadians are breathing a HUGE sigh of relief right now!
Thank you......
(Not a Canadian but I live there )
Just curious, would this also revert my hboot to stock, if I have an AlphaRev s-off hboot?
Thanks!
Edit: I guess it's not really a big deal to fastboot a stock hboot anyways, so disregard my question =P
You are my HERO!!
Very nice! Hope I never have to go to a Telus ROM again but it's nicer to know I could if needed.
Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk
MANY THANKS.
one question. I am using HTC Desire which i got from EU. I am on FIDO and whenever i get a text message, it lags 4 hours. Does this issue exist on this ROM or on every HTC Desire here or its just FIDO/Rogers/T-Mobile problem?
Secondly, Are these ROOTED ROMS?
Latty said:
Just curious, would this also revert my hboot to stock, if I have an AlphaRev s-off hboot?
Thanks!
Edit: I guess it's not really a big deal to fastboot a stock hboot anyways, so disregard my question =P
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Yes it will, an RUU returns EVERYTHING to stock

[Q] Can't install TMOUS 1.45.531.1 over EU 1.45.401.2?

After super-wiping my TMOUS Sensation with mike1986's super-wipe script, I've been unable to flash any TMOUS ROM :\ tried every safe method of formatting my partitions and still can't get a TMOUS ROM to boot past the white HTC splash screen. PLEASE HELP!!
Would I have to install the original TMOUS ROM that came with the phone, and THEN upgrade to the 1.45 ROM? I'm sooo confused and would very much appreciate any insight.
You'll need to flash the RUU, the get the OTA - well - OTA!!
EddyOS said:
You'll need to flash the RUU, the get the OTA - well - OTA!!
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When you say RUU, which exactly are you referring to? Links would be awesome
maff1989 said:
When you say RUU, which exactly are you referring to? Links would be awesome
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Ok, I am not trying to be a ****, but SEARCH for it... It doesn't take that long to do it. Asking for links, is asking for others to do your work for you... Use the search function, it does work wonders...
Tatdude806 said:
Ok, I am not trying to be a ****, but SEARCH for it... It doesn't take that long to do it. Asking for links, is asking for others to do your work for you... Use the search function, it does work wonders...
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Perhaps a better question would be "which RUU am I looking for?". Which is basically what i asked in the first place. Plus I'm sure somebody has the RUU number memorized anyway.
I'm not asking anybody to do any work for me. Hence "links would be awesome". Meaning, IF he was willing to post links for me I would appreciate it very much. Thanks for taking me out of context.
Now can somebody please tell me which RUU I should be looking for?
Use the latest leaked one, 1.29.531.1
There's talk of the 1.45.531.1 about but I've not seen it as yet
EddyOS said:
Use the latest leaked one, 1.29.531.1
There's talk of the 1.45.531.1 about but I've not seen it as yet
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Thank you
TMOUS 1.29.531.2 does NOT boot..
I'm out of options. I cannot get ANY other ROM other than Android Revolution to boot on this phone. I've tried everything imaginable. WHAT THE F**K.
If somebody has gone through this I would love to hear how you accomplished fixing this.

[Q] Froyo------>Gingerbread BUT!!!!

Ok So back in the day I used the ace hack kit so I was happily on froyo me specs are:
Android Version 2.2.1
Kernel Version 2.6.32.21-g3c08447
Software Number Inspired DHD AFR003
so now as I remember I did the s-off rooted and unlocked but need to go back to stock firmware (IDK just want it) so att made the update to gingerbread so my question is:
If I update like the way the htc page tells me to will it brick my phone ?
and if not what do I have to do?
ive just been out of it and im a little back behind but I find posts with other things than this thanks in advance guys!
Check out this thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1208507
It has all the instructions and tools you need to return to stock.
but I cant just execute the htc update and what would happen my main concern is messing up my phone by just updating to the official Gingerbread I am on still on the same specs
Yes you can just flash the gingerbread ruu. You will be stock but still have soff which is fine unless you were going to do some kind of warranty claim then I would suggest gong son aswell
0riginal.mv said:
but I cant just execute the htc update and what would happen my main concern is messing up my phone by just updating to the official Gingerbread I am on still on the same specs
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Do you mean the OTA update, or the RUU from HTC's website? If the former, then no, you can't unless you are running a rock-stock froyo ROM (it will abort before doing anything). If the latter, then yes, you can run it, but it will wipe everything.
RUU_Ace_Gingerbread_S_Cingular_US_2.47.502.7_Radio_12.56.60.25_26.10.04.03_M_release_200368_signed.exe
thats the file I really dont care of the features I use im just wondering if i'll mess up my phone plus I just want to know what ill keep and what ill lose in terms of the s-off and I know ill lose the unlock
0riginal.mv said:
RUU_Ace_Gingerbread_S_Cingular_US_2.47.502.7_Radio_12.56.60.25_26.10.04.03_M_release_200368_signed.exe
thats the file I really dont care of the features I use im just wondering if i'll mess up my phone plus I just want to know what ill keep and what ill lose in terms of the s-off and I know ill lose the unlock
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Flashing ghe htc OTA update while you are S-Off will not work. Found this out the hard way back when I first started messing with phones
You can un root your phone and put S-On and update it to gingerbread but I don't think you'll be able to root it as I believe the hack kit requires you to downgrade firmware anyway.
Best bet is to just flash a gingerbread rom. If your trying to keep sense I would suggest the rom virtuous unity.
Has sense 3.0 with a load of new features and is gingerbread I believe.
Either way, best of luck. Hope this helps
Sent from my Inspire 4G using xda premium
Thanks Solved My Answer Now To Move On To Virtuous Unity
0riginal.mv said:
Thanks Solved My Answer Now To Move On To Virtuous Unity
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No problem, and you won't regret it I promise!
Sent from my Inspire 4G using xda premium

[Q] Why S-off?

Hello guy's
I have been searching on xda and google, but did not find a clear answer for my question. I know that S-off allows you to do anything to your phone, and i read 'Alpharev'.
I have unlocked my bootloader, flashed the recovery and rooted my Sensation Hboot 1.27.. using the Hasoon All in one toolkit.
The phone is still s-on and i flashed cyanagenmod 9. All working.
The question is: Wat difference does it make when i make my phone s-off? Is it meaningfull to do it?
I am just a noob on this territory, so is it usefull for me to doe the ('risky') wire-trick to S-off my phone?
Thank you!
malcoe said:
Hello guy's
I have been searching on xda and google, but did not find a clear answer for my question. I know that S-off allows you to do anything to your phone, and i read 'Alpharev'.
I have unlocked my bootloader, flashed the recovery and rooted my Sensation Hboot 1.27.. using the Hasoon All in one toolkit.
The phone is still s-on and i flashed cyanagenmod 9. All working.
The question is: Wat difference does it make when i make my phone s-off? Is it meaningfull to do it?
I am just a noob on this territory, so is it usefull for me to doe the ('risky') wire-trick to S-off my phone?
Thank you!
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Hi,
S-off will enable you to flash different firmwares and radios,and any RUU.
Until you NEED to do any of those things,you are OK on s-on.
What the post above says, there's really no need to unless you're gonna be messing with radios, different firmware, cid, and stuff like that
Enviado desde mi HTC Sensation 4G
Okay, thank you very much!
Could you maybe tell me what I can do with that stuff? What does it mean and what are the benefits?
malcoe said:
Okay, thank you very much!
Could you maybe tell me what I can do with that stuff? What does it mean and what are the benefits?
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super cid you can flash any firmware region, but it is not required for your device's own firmware.. firmware upgrades are sometimes a must when flashing different roms (like going from gb to ics or vice versa) if you are already on ics I really don't think it's a benefit to upgrade to another ics firmware if yours works fine.. and you can flash different radios that might improve signal and better reception (results vary so only real way to know is to try one yourself) hope that was clear, that's as far as I know
Enviado desde mi HTC Sensation 4G
Like above post says, basically you have more freedom to do what you want with s off. Also flashing involves less steps with soff. I'm s off and I'm glad I did it. I can change radios firmwares, with ease.
sent from HTC sensation, soff, 3.33 firmware, viper Rom, sense 4.1, mugen battery. please press thanks if I helped in anyway.
serio22 said:
super cid you can flash any firmware region, but it is not required for your device's own firmware.. firmware upgrades are sometimes a must when flashing different roms (like going from gb to ics or vice versa) if you are already on ics I really don't think it's a benefit to upgrade to another ics firmware if yours works fine.. and you can flash different radios that might improve signal and better reception (results vary so only real way to know is to try one yourself) hope that was clear, that's as far as I know
Enviado desde mi HTC Sensation 4G
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realsis said:
Like above post says, basically you have more freedom to do what you want with s off. Also flashing involves less steps with soff. I'm s off and I'm glad I did it. I can change radios firmwares, with ease.
sent from HTC sensation, soff, 3.33 firmware, viper Rom, sense 4.1, mugen battery. please press thanks if I helped in anyway.
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Thanks!
I flashed Miui but i was stuck on the Mi-logo when the phone was booting (I could not fix it). Then I flashed Cyanogenmod 9, but here i can't get my contacts back wich I placed on my SIM and Google account, pretty anoying..
Could this be a problem because I'm not S-off?
I realy liked Cyanogenmod 9 and Miui seems nice too, but ik can't get it work properly
This thread might help you. Have a look at it! http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1631861
malcoe said:
Thanks!
I flashed Miui but i was stuck on the Mi-logo when the phone was booting (I could not fix it). Then I flashed Cyanogenmod 9, but here i can't get my contacts back wich I placed on my SIM and Google account, pretty anoying..
Could this be a problem because I'm not S-off?
I realy liked Cyanogenmod 9 and Miui seems nice too, but ik can't get it work properly
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Nope has nothing to do with not being soff. Did you flash the gapps addon for cm9?
For MIUI confirm which firmware version you need to run it (could be why)
Sent from my Sensation in UrQuan subspace
If you`re are an enthusiastic user i recommend to be S-OFF`ed.
matekaneve said:
This thread might help you. Have a look at it! http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1631861
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I had already seen that guide, I did the same steps, but with the all in one toolkit by Rasoon.
Kohr-Ah said:
Nope has nothing to do with not being soff. Did you flash the gapps addon for cm9?
For MIUI confirm which firmware version you need to run it (could be why)
Sent from my Sensation in UrQuan subspace
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Yes i had allready flashed the Google apps. I now got it fixed by getting back to stock rom and synced the contacts once more.
But the strange thing is that CM9 still keeps saying: 'No contacts on SIM'.
For the firmware, I do not know which firmware is needed. Is it so that I need a ICS rom?, or must I look at the number, 3.33...
Thanks for all your help!
Edit: I know I need a ICS rom, flashing for instance gb is impossible without flashing firmware.. but must the numbers match?
handinar from
razvanwin95 said:
If you`re are an enthusiastic user i recommend to be S-OFF`ed.
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I think it's all great, but I some terms and actions are a little over my head, so I don't excactly understand what the things mean when I'm s-off.
I'm totally new to the rooting and flashing, but I think it's fun to do.
For instance: What is Supercid/cid and RUU excactly?
malcoe said:
I had already seen that guide, I did the same steps, but with the all in one toolkit by Rasoon.
Yes i had allready flashed the Google apps. I now got it fixed by getting back to stock rom and synced the contacts once more.
But the strange thing is that CM9 still keeps saying: 'No contacts on SIM'.
For the firmware, I do not know which firmware is needed. Is it so that I need a ICS rom?, or must I look at the number, 3.33...
Thanks for all your help!
Edit: I know I need a ICS rom, flashing for instance gb is impossible without flashing firmware.. but must the numbers match?
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Well depends. I know some Miui 3.33 roms run awful on 3.32. Makes no sense as 3.33 was literally radio related update.
Otherwise yeah they should mat h. 3.32/3.33 seem to be backward compatible though.
SIM part though that is a new one to me
Sent from my Sensation in UrQuan subspace

[Q] Reasons for RUU not working?

I took my HTC One S to the HTC Care shop to flash the Stock ROM. After 3 hours when I returned back the guy told me No cant do with no explanation. He said there was some hardware issue. I had handed over the phone with OEM relocked. After getting it back I restored it back to the backup of I had and looks like as it was when I had given it to them.
I have not faced any issues with the phone, just wanted to update the version from 4.0.3 to 4.0.4. I do not have my stock backup.
What are the known causes a RUU not working? I am planning on getting the RUU from someone on the forum but do want to get the wrong version or something. My specs are in my signature. If someone can tell me what exactly I need to look for when getting an RUU. Also does the HBOOT need to be the same that you own or can be higher to flash?
I am thinking that the idiots at HTC do not have the right ROM and hence asking me to deposit the phone in order to cover their own tracks. But thats just being hopeful. Can anyone help??
fatpanda0 said:
I took my HTC One S to the HTC Care shop to flash the Stock ROM. After 3 hours when I returned back the guy told me No cant do with no explanation. He said there was some hardware issue. I had handed over the phone with OEM relocked. After getting it back I restored it back to the backup of I had and looks like as it was when I had given it to them.
I have not faced any issues with the phone, just wanted to update the version from 4.0.3 to 4.0.4. I do not have my stock backup.
What are the known causes a RUU not working? I am planning on getting the RUU from someone on the forum but do want to get the wrong version or something. My specs are in my signature. If someone can tell me what exactly I need to look for when getting an RUU. Also does the HBOOT need to be the same that you own or can be higher to flash?
I am thinking that the idiots at HTC do not have the right ROM and hence asking me to deposit the phone in order to cover their own tracks. But thats just being hopeful. Can anyone help??
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If you can root then you could SuperCID which would let you use any RUU.
Darknites said:
If you can root then you could SuperCID which would let you use any RUU.
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There is no S-OFF on HOS. The process for SuperCID is not out for HTC One S (S3). The posts have been quite explicit that the process mentioned will brick this version.
fatpanda0 said:
There is no S-OFF on HOS. The process for SuperCID is not out for HTC One S (S3). The posts have been quite explicit that the process mentioned will brick this version.
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Sorry missed that you on S3 sorry.
RUU
fatpanda0 said:
I took my HTC One S to the HTC Care shop to flash the Stock ROM. After 3 hours when I returned back the guy told me No cant do with no explanation. He said there was some hardware issue. I had handed over the phone with OEM relocked. After getting it back I restored it back to the backup of I had and looks like as it was when I had given it to them.
I have not faced any issues with the phone, just wanted to update the version from 4.0.3 to 4.0.4. I do not have my stock backup.
What are the known causes a RUU not working? I am planning on getting the RUU from someone on the forum but do want to get the wrong version or something. My specs are in my signature. If someone can tell me what exactly I need to look for when getting an RUU. Also does the HBOOT need to be the same that you own or can be higher to flash?
I am thinking that the idiots at HTC do not have the right ROM and hence asking me to deposit the phone in order to cover their own tracks. But thats just being hopeful. Can anyone help??
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I had a similar problem a couple months ago. I tried almost every RUU available but luckily i managed to find one that worked, its called "OTA_Ville_U_ICS_40_S_HTC_Europe_2.31.401.5-1.78.401.2_release_275773ape8z1mahr0gt8fg". What a mouthful right lol, i'm not 100% sure it'll work for you because you have an S3 chip but it's worth a try. You can find it on filefactory and btw make sure your bootloader is locked.
Hope this helps
lonegunman0 said:
I had a similar problem a couple months ago. I tried almost every RUU available but luckily i managed to find one that worked, its called "OTA_Ville_U_ICS_40_S_HTC_Europe_2.31.401.5-1.78.401.2_release_275773ape8z1mahr0gt8fg". What a mouthful right lol, i'm not 100% sure it'll work for you because you have an S3 chip but it's worth a try. You can find it on filefactory and btw make sure your bootloader is locked.
Hope this helps
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All I am on HTC India. But what I am unable to understand is why would the HTC Service Center be unable to flash either??!!
fatpanda0 said:
All I am on HTC India. But what I am unable to understand is why would the HTC Service Center be unable to flash either??!!
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If they can't fix it they need to replace it.
Darknites said:
If they can't fix it they need to replace it.
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Well considering that its rooted and on a custom ROM do I still have the right to demand a replacement. Plus the service center ppl say it will take a month for them to get a verdict back. So was hoping to exhaust all options before taking the final step.
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Well considering that its rooted and on a custom ROM do I still have the right to demand a replacement. Plus the service center ppl say it will take a month for them to get a verdict back. So was hoping to exhaust all options before taking the final step.
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I just don't see how you going to do it if they can't. Try getting them to try again and if they still can't get it to work then have them send it off. Or just not care about it and update to a rom that has 4.0.4.
Darknites said:
I just don't see how you going to do it if they can't. Try getting them to try again and if they still can't get it to work then have them send it off. Or just not care about it and update to a rom that has 4.0.4.
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dude thats exactly what i wanna do. i really dont need stock. just need to update to 4.0.4 so that i can use a custom rom. HOS has this issue that you cant update to 4.0.4 straight up. Need to get upgrade to stock 4.0.4 then revert back to any other ROM.
As you can see its totally effed up!
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dude thats exactly what i wanna do. i really dont need stock. just need to update to 4.0.4 so that i can use a custom rom. HOS has this issue that you cant update to 4.0.4 straight up. Need to get upgrade to stock 4.0.4 then revert back to any other ROM.
As you can see its totally effed up!
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I don't understand your issue, are you saying you can't use a 4.0.4 rom because I don't see why you can't I have done it and I don't see why it wouldn't work on the S3 too.
Darknites said:
I don't understand your issue, are you saying you can't use a 4.0.4 rom because I don't see why you can't I have done it and I don't see why it wouldn't work on the S3 too.
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Did you do it after upgrading your stock to 4.0.4 or before it? Cuz last time I checked you CAN NOT use a custom 4.0.4 based ROM on a 4.0.3 based HOS. There is an HBOOT conflict. Anyways there are practically only 2 ROMs available for the HTC One S (S3). The TD v4 gives me bootloops (tried and failed) and the other is mcOneS3 which I havent tried but have in good faith that I WONT WORK before! reference to post #8
So if you have found a workaround I am all ears, (eyes in this case)!!
fatpanda0 said:
Did you do it after upgrading your stock to 4.0.4 or before it? Cuz last time I checked you CAN NOT use a custom 4.0.4 based ROM on a 4.0.3 based HOS. There is an HBOOT conflict. Anyways there are practically only 2 ROMs available for the HTC One S (S3). The TD v4 gives me bootloops (tried and failed) and the other is mcOneS3 which I havent tried but have in good faith that I WONT WORK before! reference to post #8
So if you have found a workaround I am all ears, (eyes in this case)!!
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Ya 4.0.4 worked fine on 4.0.3 and now 4.1.1 works on 4.0.4 so guess HTC really have screwed you guys over.
Darknites said:
Ya 4.0.4 worked fine on 4.0.3 and now 4.1.1 works on 4.0.4 so guess HTC really have screwed you guys over.
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Tell me about it. its not a bad phone but the lack of options customize like custom ROMs really pisses me off. You have just given me one more to hate the S3 version!!
well just waiting for a 4.0.4 nandroid from someone to see if that works. else will personally ask football for an RUU.
Your One S must be having a higher hboot version than their RUU at htc service centre. Downgrade your hboot version to stock for RUU to work properly.
Merrymustu said:
Your One S must be having a higher hboot version than their RUU at htc service centre. Downgrade your hboot version to stock for RUU to work properly.
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So If I have a RUU with correct CID but a higher HBOOT version I am good to go??
The hboot version of the RUU should be the same or higher than you currently have in order for it to work. The CID should also be the same that is _038 in our case. If you find a suitable RUU please post a link to the upload, we Indians are in a dire need of an RUU.
Merrymustu said:
The hboot version of the RUU should be the same or higher than you currently have in order for it to work. The CID should also be the same that is _038 in our case. If you find a suitable RUU please post a link to the upload, we Indians are in a dire need of an RUU.
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you bet. I have spoken to football and he says it can be obtained, but at a price! So making sure that I get the right one. Also just heard that we may be getting JB sometime in future. Shot a mail to HTC today to see when it will be available. Lets see!! If they say more than 3 months then might as well get that bloody RUU. Hating this disabled feeling.
PS: are you on One S too?? Are you rooted? if so can you upload me your stock backup??????
You two should go half's on the RUU if you do get it.
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You two should go half's on the RUU if you do get it.
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hmm that will be easier on the pocket.:good: Is there a way to enable subscription just by replying to a post. It is so difficult to keep track of where you have been. I tried helping a dude earlier and completely forgot the post heading now, I doubt i will be going back there unless I have a message somewhere telling me that I am needed! Do you get what i mean?

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