So I visited www.phonearena.com yesterday and saw the news about the HTC Pyramid.At first I thought wow,Qualcomm and HTC won't only get left behind but will have about the same technology and will run at higher frequencies.
But then I remembered something that troubled me.I remember reading somewhere that Qualcomm's dual-core CPUs will be based on the current-gen Cortex-A8 by ARM,while others,like Samsung's Orion,will be using the next-gen Cortex-A9 that is superior in both perfrormance and consumption,while being designed especially for dual-core CPUs,unlike the A8.
What's your take on this guys?
No one?
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Strongly agree
i hope this isn't true. tegra 2 outperformed old cpu's with only one core running! that's because it's Cortex-A9. now, if it was Cortex-A8, i don't think there would be much of a difference.
In fact i think it is superior to the tegra 2 or Orion plat form despite being an cortex A8 architecture, but it is not a long term solution point proven as Qualcomm is developing it A9 counterpart the MSM 89xx
How it is superior? Well between A8 and A9 architecture to my knowledge there isn't much of a difference, the major one is enhanced soc and the capability to use DDR3 ram instead of being limited to ddr2
But how these two doesn't matter in the short term, well the first one is obvious because Qualcomm doesn't use just a Normal Cortex A8 architecture ( was used on the first gen of snapdragon) as the second generation MSM8255 used on the desire HD for exemple has an enhanced soc and cach point proven when compared to a lets say Omap 3 or hummingbird in every cpu benchmark i believe the MSM comes on top(correct me if i m wrong).
The second point which is about Ram, i don't believe we will be seeing DDR3 ram on smartphone anytime soon so at this it is a kinda useless advantage.
Now add to that if the rumors are correct that one cpu can be switched off if the charge is low then while the on tegra 2 which use a dual core architecture and not a dual cpu architecture.
Edit: this is true + Asynchronis clocking for each core!
Also in terms of graphics, the MSM8x60 comes with adreno 220 which is definitly faster than the adreno 205 almost as fast as the SGX540 and which is rumored to be faster than the GPU in tegra 2, the geforce, as for the Orion is believed to get the SGX543mp2 but Orion is not coming anytime soon, and probably will hit the market once tegra3 and MSM89XX is almost there (which comes with Adreno 300)
Hopefully this does help you, i know that not everything i mentioned is accurate, but i ll invite you to watch this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdVw9uBIr5I
But how these two doesn't matter in the short term, well the first one is obvious because Qualcomm doesn't use just a Normal Cortex A8 architecture ( was used on the first gen of snapdragon) as the second generation MSM8255 used on the desire HD for exemple has an enhanced soc and cach point proven when compared to a lets say Omap 3 or hummingbird in every cpu benchmark i believe the MSM comes on top(correct me if i m wrong).
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Synthetic benchmarks like that though don't gauge real life performance though.
vbetts said:
Synthetic benchmarks like that though don't gauge real life performance though.
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I do agree with you, but they do give a scal for the performance especially when there are different types that relies on a different system to test the perfomance.
In real world you have to agree that MSM8255 is the fastest CPU out there atm just look at how the Desire HD is a screamer! or even the G2/Desire Z with the same CPU but clocked 800mhz does a pretty great job even compared to the latest omap3/hummingbird phones.
Definitely, the MSM8255 45nm matches the old MSM8250 65nm even when the stock clock in the Z/G2 is only 800 mhz, versus that extra 200 mhz. The gpu is lacking compared to others.
vbetts said:
Definitely, the MSM8255 45nm matches the old MSM8250 65nm even when the stock clock in the Z/G2 is only 800 mhz, versus that extra 200 mhz. The gpu is lacking compared to others.
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No,the GPU of the Desire Z/HD only lacks against the SGX540 of the Galaxy S!
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kurolife said:
In fact i think it is superior to the tegra 2 or Orion plat form despite being an cortex A8 architecture, but it is not a long term solution point proven as Qualcomm is developing it A9 counterpart the MSM 89xx
How it is superior? Well between A8 and A9 architecture to my knowledge there isn't much of a difference, the major one is enhanced soc and the capability to use DDR3 ram instead of being limited to ddr2
But how these two doesn't matter in the short term, well the first one is obvious because Qualcomm doesn't use just a Normal Cortex A8 architecture ( was used on the first gen of snapdragon) as the second generation MSM8255 used on the desire HD for exemple has an enhanced soc and cach point proven when compared to a lets say Omap 3 or hummingbird in every cpu benchmark i believe the MSM comes on top(correct me if i m wrong).
The second point which is about Ram, i don't believe we will be seeing DDR3 ram on smartphone anytime soon so at this it is a kinda useless advantage.
Now add to that if the rumors are correct that one cpu can be switched off if the charge is low then while the on tegra 2 which use a dual core architecture and not a dual cpu architecture.
Edit: this is true + Asynchronis clocking for each core!
Also in terms of graphics, the MSM8x60 comes with adreno 220 which is definitly faster than the adreno 205 almost as fast as the SGX540 and which is rumored to be faster than the GPU in tegra 2, the geforce, as for the Orion is believed to get the SGX543mp2 but Orion is not coming anytime soon, and probably will hit the market once tegra3 and MSM89XX is almost there (which comes with Adreno 300)
Hopefully this does help you, i know that not everything i mentioned is accurate, but i ll invite you to watch this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdVw9uBIr5I
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Ok,you convinced me!I'll be buyinh htc again!
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vbetts said:
Definitely, the MSM8255 45nm matches the old MSM8250 65nm even when the stock clock in the Z/G2 is only 800 mhz, versus that extra 200 mhz. The gpu is lacking compared to others.
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As lotis said the only GPU that is faster than the Adreno 205 is the SGX540 and by a very slight marging in 3D while the Adreno wins in terms of 2D. The thing with Adreno GPUs is that they are clocked with the CPU and i believe the comparaisons were done with a G2 vs SGS + lagfix and froyo , i believe the GPU on the Desire HD does have a higher clock than the one on the G2 and thus perform better but again is this a fact or just another rumor if someone could confirm this..
But for a fact we all know that a stock G2 on pure android does 1600-1800 Quadrant score and a pure desire HD does a 1900-2100 on Android + sense out of the box
tolis626 said:
Ok,you convinced me!I'll be buyinh htc again!
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i m looking forward to the pyramid hopefully HTC will show it on the MWC (but im afraid there is a chance that they won't because they've just released the desire HD counter part in the US aka thunderbolt and inspire 4G) or else i might be tempted by the Motorola Atrix
whats up with all the fear and worries ? quandrant for tegra2 is a mere 1911 . it will get its a** kicked by anthing qcom makes in 2011 .
that said , there is a low possibility quandrant only runs single core enabled on quadrant , but what makes u sure that other apps will run dual core then ?
souljaboy said:
whats up with all the fear and worries ? quandrant for tegra2 is a mere 1911 . it will get its a** kicked by anthing qcom makes in 2011 .
that said , there is a low possibility quandrant only runs single core enabled on quadrant , but what makes u sure that other apps will run dual core then ?
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Nothing!That's the thing!
At the moment there is no software that takes advantage of both cores.I think that Gingerbread also has problems.So we have yet to see the performance gains by dual-cores.
kurolife said:
In fact i think it is superior to the tegra 2 or Orion plat form despite being an cortex A8 architecture, but it is not a long term solution point proven as Qualcomm is developing it A9 counterpart the MSM 89xx
How it is superior? Well between A8 and A9 architecture to my knowledge there isn't much of a difference, the major one is enhanced soc and the capability to use DDR3 ram instead of being limited to ddr2
But how these two doesn't matter in the short term, well the first one is obvious because Qualcomm doesn't use just a Normal Cortex A8 architecture ( was used on the first gen of snapdragon) as the second generation MSM8255 used on the desire HD for exemple has an enhanced soc and cach point proven when compared to a lets say Omap 3 or hummingbird in every cpu benchmark i believe the MSM comes on top(correct me if i m wrong).
The second point which is about Ram, i don't believe we will be seeing DDR3 ram on smartphone anytime soon so at this it is a kinda useless advantage.
Now add to that if the rumors are correct that one cpu can be switched off if the charge is low then while the on tegra 2 which use a dual core architecture and not a dual cpu architecture.
Edit: this is true + Asynchronis clocking for each core!
Also in terms of graphics, the MSM8x60 comes with adreno 220 which is definitly faster than the adreno 205 almost as fast as the SGX540 and which is rumored to be faster than the GPU in tegra 2, the geforce, as for the Orion is believed to get the SGX543mp2 but Orion is not coming anytime soon, and probably will hit the market once tegra3 and MSM89XX is almost there (which comes with Adreno 300)
Hopefully this does help you, i know that not everything i mentioned is accurate, but i ll invite you to watch this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdVw9uBIr5I
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I hope you're right!!
I didn't think it was possible for an A8 to be dual core
The dual core cortex a8 qualcomm is building is a heavily customized version. It has features from a9 built into the cpu.
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hey what do you say about the net quad core processors from nvidia.. ? smart phones will become computers and our laptops will be just a notebook..for music and bigger games
alexandru.j91 said:
hey what do you say about the net quad core processors from nvidia.. ? smart phones will become computers and our laptops will be just a notebook..for music and bigger games
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My laptop already is for surfing the net only because I prefer the large keyboard(it's a 17 incher after all ).Everything else I do with my smartphone,which has a 25% share of my gaming time.I also have a ps3!
Now,quad-core CPUs will first be for tablets(August 2011) and then for smartphones(Fall 2011?Maybe).These will pack some things like 12-core GPUs etc.Tests have already shown that they beat many dual-core x86 CPUs.What's next?Dunno,but I surely wanna see!
The next computers is possible, but relatively weak computers per say. But can any of our phones run crysis or crysis 2? Are they even remotely capable of generating over 10fps of it? Even the MALI 400MP, Tegra 2, adreno 220 or power vr SGX543 can't manage that. I don't think we'll be seeing any SoC's with that sort of power until maybe two years?
Point being, phones will never hold the same amount of power a computer can output. So computers will stay. Who's to say computer SoC's haven't been improving? sandybridge, quantum processing, six cores core i9, 48 cores? No one cares for computer news anymore?
Anyways onto the topic, looking at the new gpu benchmarks posted of the dual core snapdragon, 1.5ghz. They're making the other cpu's look bad. So maybe the SoC isn't that bad after all. looks like it was a prototype also so the finished product could be even better. Source:
http://blog.gsmarena.com/the-new-1-...sm8660-got-benchmarked-meet-the-new-champion/
And according to their specs it has a dual core is that true???? http://www.phonescoop.com/articles/article.php?a=9613
My guess is that it is a mistake born of typing specs for too many android devices.
http://www.wpcentral.com/hands-htc-titan-ii-att-video
No dual core, just a better 1.5Ghz processor
link68759 said:
http://www.wpcentral.com/hands-htc-titan-ii-att-video
No dual core, just a better 1.5Ghz processor
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dont ya mean same 1.5 ghz processor
thats what I was thinking...
thanks for helping my sanity
Hello.. Can you guys tell me is asus infinity TF700T running a quad core or dual core? Cause under the spec of Asus website it said using quad core. But on my Infinity its said using a dual core, using a ES Task Manager to check. Just bought the Infinity couple week ago:
Android version: 4.0.3 Model number: Asus pad TF700T
Build number: IMEI
CPU frequency: 1700 Mhz (Dual core) CPU model: ARMv7 Processor rev 9 (v7I)
Kernel version: 2.6.39.4 Screen Res: 1920:1128
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SMP PREEMPT
THX....
It's quad core. Dunno why that app says otherwise.
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If you are on the snapdragon processor, with phone service, not the WiFi only version, you are dual core. But I didn't think they were out yet.
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Is there another way for me to double check the cpu processor? Thx
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Is there another way for me to double check the cpu processor? Thx
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I saw an app on Play once, (can't remember name of it) was a task manager, but it was for quad core. Wasn't a free app, though.
Actually the Tegra 3 runs 5 cores with the last one being for low battery consumption processes. Nobody really knows if that is actually true or not but that is what Nvidia claims. Just say it's quad core. Android really doesn't take great advantage of more than two cores so that is likely why you are seeing only 2 cores in the app that you are using.
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Actually the Tegra 3 runs 5 cores with the last one being for low battery consumption processes. Nobody really knows if that is actually true or not but that is what Nvidia claims. Just say it's quad core. Android really doesn't take great advantage of more than two cores so that is likely why you are seeing only 2 cores in the app that you are using.
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This ^ -- I just think ESTM doesn't support detecting these quad-cores properly (yet).
Hello,
I already have a Samsung Galaxy Pro with a 800 Mhz Cortex A5 processor and I was looking up the Sony Xperia tipo and found that it has a 800 MHz ARMv6 I want to know what is the difference between the two processors.
Thanks.
AGazzaz said:
Hello,
I already have a Samsung Galaxy Pro with a 800 Mhz Cortex A5 processor and I was looking up the Sony Xperia tipo and found that it has a 800 MHz ARMv6 I want to know what is the difference between the two processors.
Thanks.
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The arm6 will smoke the arm5 probably take more over clock and have a better graphics proccesor
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bbrad said:
The arm6 will smoke the arm5 probably take more over clock and have a better graphics proccesor
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Thanks bbrad! I was just about to ask the same question!!
What? All the new phones are armv7,
And the majority of older and cheaper phones are armv6. Its a completely different thing from cortex. Cortex a8 is what's in the sensation and gs2, cortex a9 or a hybrid of it is in the gs3 and all the current generation phones, and cortex a15 is not in any phones yet but there are partially a15 based phones. Each generation is said by arm to be twice as fast and efficient than the last. Anything armv6 is probably old and won't be able to run as well as an armv7 device. However while they are related armv6 is not the same as cortex a6.
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bbrad said:
The arm6 will smoke the arm5 probably take more over clock and have a better graphics proccesor
Hello,
I already have a Samsung Galaxy Pro with a 800 Mhz Cortex A5 processor and I was looking up the Sony Xperia tipo and found that it has a 800 MHz ARMv6 I want to know what is the difference between the two processors.
Thanks.
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The ARM Cortex-A5 is ARMv7 and is newer and better than the ARMv6
The Samsung Galaxy Pro with ARM Cortex A5 has a faster graphics output and memory bus so will performe better than the Sony Xperia tipo ARM11-ARMv6
so Samsung Galaxy Pro has the better processor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ARM_microprocessor_cores
The ARM Cortex A5 ARMv7 is intended to replace the ARM11-ARMv6 for use in devices. Compared to the ARMv6, the Cortex-A5 offers the advanced features of the ARM v7 architecture over ARM11-ARMv6 architectures e.g VFPv4 and NEON advanced SIMD. It also allows devices to run current software
craigboro said:
wrong
The ARM Cortex-A5 is ARMv7 and is newer and better than the ARMv6
The Samsung Galaxy Pro with ARM Cortex A5 has a faster graphis output and memory bus so will performe better than the Sony Xperia tipo ARM11-ARMv6
so Samsung Galaxy Pro has the better processor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ARM_microprocessor_cores
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Really are you fking kidding me you bring up this old thread for something that's already been established
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How to root android cortex a-5 ???
Samsung Galaxy Pro --> 800Mhz Qualcomm MSM7227 (ARM11)
Sony Xperia Tipo --> 800Mhz Qualcomm MSM7225A (Cortex-A5)
Made this to avoid any confusion.
Found these cheap android tablets. They seem like pretty good compared to their price. But different devices are confusing me. They are many almost same devices but with a little different hardware and still they are named the same. I'm about to buy an iRulu 10.1 tablet. I'm not sure if there are 2 or 3 different versions of it.
iRulu's site was laggy but these charts are the same what I found on their site:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/iRulu-10-1-...90625890613?pt=US_Tablets&hash=item5af31e1135
http://www.ebay.com/itm/iRulu-10-1-...t=LH_DefaultDomain_0&var=&hash=item7b74f03c58
The first one: CPU Processor: "Rockchip RK2928 Cortex-A9 1.5GHz; Mail-400 Quad Core"
And the second one: "CPU Processor: Allwinner A20 1.5GHz; Mail-400 Quad Core"
What's the difference? Which could be better?
This one doesn't tell about 1.5ghz: http://www.ebay.com/itm/iRulu-10-1-...50886874301?pt=US_Tablets&hash=item51b27cccbd
"Allwinner A20 ARM Cortex-A7 Dual-Core; ARM® Mali400MP2"
According to many other sources, clock speed of that allwinner A20 cortex-A7 is only 1ghz or 1.2ghz. What are those Allwinner A20 1.5ghz processors then?
Moreover, I have seen iRulu 10.1 tablets with resistive screens that are not good. I also found very large amount of 10.1 tablets with some kind of allwinner 1.5ghz processor and seemingly same body. MAny of them don't even tell name or brand. I will be most likely buying the first or second one, but first I'd like to know about the processor differences. Only thing I know about android processors are the clock speed and number of cores.
Just realized that Rockchip RK2928 Cortex-A9 1.5GHz is not dual-core. Also, with further investigation, I became even more convinced that the Allwinner A20 dual-core 1.5ghz doesn't exist. Many are still selling that. Not sure if it's 1ghz or 1.2ghz.
Again found new models:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/iRulu-10-1-...90630383490?pt=US_Tablets&hash=item5af3629f82
"Allwinner A10 1.5GHz Mali-400" (single-core, but is it better or worse than RockChip?)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/iRulu-10-1-...90691725632?pt=US_Tablets&hash=item5af70aa140
"iMAPx15 ARM Cortex A5 Dual core 1.2GHz" (this vs Allwinned A20 Cortex A7?)
1.5ghz single-core or 1.2ghz dual-core, which is better? 1ghz dual-core?
This is really confusing.
EDIT: http://www.slatedroid.com/topic/44034-atm7029-an-arm-cortex-a9-or-a5/page__st__40 + many other sources seem like telling Allwinner processors are not as good as advertised. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockchip Wikipedia says that that RK2928 would be single-core 1 to 1.2ghz. Odd
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http://arm.com/products/processors/cortex-a/cortex-a7.php
Stick with name brand. I got an infotmic imapx15 noria 7" for Christmas. The most I was able to do was root it. I just found flashing software from the manufacturer for it after searching for 3 months. Trust me, the Mali-400 GPU isn't that great as far as I'm concerned. Mine is also a dual core 1.2GHz and is still quite slow compared to my Galaxy S3. Just my .002
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