Been lurking here for a few weeks, reading, studying, learning, and my eyes are still red...
I just wanted to share my experience so far and get some feedback.
Rooting
I followed the 1 click Ace Hack Kit to the letter, still had an issue where my phone wouldn't boot, screen was on but black, and had to re-install stock from the Ace Kit to correct it. Phone Rooted
Custom Rom
Reviewed all the Inspire Roms and decided on the Revolution HD 6.1.3
Again following everything to the letter, I couldn't get SuperWipe to run, it would abort, but did the full manual wipe (wipe data/factory reset - dalvik cache) in the the boot loader as in the sticky guide for flashing roms, radio's, etc. Was able to install 6.1.3
Q: Is there really any difference between doing it manually and running the SuperWipe Script?
Radio's - Read the Radio Sticky numerous times. Shoot, so far the recommended radio for HD is kicking but however, still have a fundemental question.
Q. I get that it's a gamble, but what sets these radio's apart from what AT&T gives on their stock phone?
I read in the radio sticky they are sort of area specific or vary by location. May or may not be good, try it... I don't get that because I could buy a Inspire in CA, use it in FL, and the stock radio doesn't change. I get that these coders and developers are freaking awesome and above my head, but intrigued none the less.
Doesn't it really come down to tower coverage? Still putting the radio puzzle together after much reading.
Anyway, I wanted to post a BIG THANKS in the Revolution HD Thread but can't as of yet.
I really like the 6.1.3 ROM so far. Some here may hate Sense, but I like the eye candy.
XDA is cool site and still have a lot to learn.
Hey, at least my first post wasn't "How do I boot loop my new phone?"
I'll see you around
Some will say the radio is region specific. I and others find no evidence of that. The Dev will recommend the radio for the matched ROM you choose. That should be your best bet.
Welcome!
I actually don't know if superwipe does anything special or just takes the hassle out of wiping partitions and FDR and cache. in my experience it doesn't make a difference which I do as long as I do one or the other, or both.
As for radios, there are different settings in the build.prop I believe (correct me if i'm wrong) that's set by each version of each radio (and other settings in more places?) but basically it boils down to different settings causing the phone to interact with the network differently. I never had luck with any of the recommended revolution radios so I would always stick to an inspire OTA or update radio and flash the corresponding RIL (radio interface layer, must match the radio you install).
come to think of it now, it might be the RIL that sets the build prop and other settings. now i'm just confused...
The build prop will remain the same regardless of what RIL or radio you use. The devs tweak settings in the build prop to try and squeeze a little more bandwidth but honestly I have never seen a definite increase in speeds by changing these settings. When the inspire was released it did not have the necassary settings to run 4g. They released a radio and new build prop with an update that enabled 4g. People on 3g would not have seen a difference even to this day. This all took place in the froyo days. The build prop has several settings for many aspects of the phone. The build prop only changes when edited by you or the dev.
It's always good to use recommended radios as that will match the RIL in your phone. I have read that new RIL's are backwards compatible as long as you are using a froyo radio on froyo and a gingerbread radio on gingerbread. The only official gingerbread radio released for the inspire is 26.10.04.03 which goes with RIL 2.2.0160. So in my exeperience as long as the RIL is this or higher you might as well just use the official radio. The one recommended for arhd is 26.13.04.19 which is what matches 2.2.0179 but 26.10.04.03 will also work since the RIL is newer than the radio. But if you used 26.13.04.19 on an older RIL like 2.2.0160 you may encounter problems.
As always though, do not report bugs or make any judgements on performance, unless you are using the recommended radio and have not changed the RIL.
Sent from my Inspire 4G Using XDA Premium
Agoattamer said:
Some will say the radio is region specific. I and others find no evidence of that. The Dev will recommend the radio for the matched ROM you choose. That should be your best bet.
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I travel alot and can tell you that it really can depend on where you are. One radio and ril works great in alaska but if I go to the lower 48 I normally have to swap them for a different set to get better signal.
zelendel said:
I travel alot and can tell you that it really can depend on where you are. One radio and ril works great in alaska but if I go to the lower 48 I normally have to swap them for a different set to get better signal.
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Technically as there is only 1 official radio/ril for ATT gingerbread I would be curious to what you use and where. I know you have mentioned radios being location dependant but I can't recall you ever saying what you use.
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Technically as there is only 1 official radio/ril for ATT gingerbread I would be curious to what you use and where. I know you have mentioned radios being location dependant but I can't recall you ever saying what you use.
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Radio: 12.56.60.25_26.10.04.03_M
Ril: HTC-RIL 2.2.0153HM
Is what I use in alaska as the ATT rom and ril give me less signal then this one and when I go into the lower 48 I use
Radio: 12.39a.60.19x_26.06.06.30_M
Ril: HTC-RIL 2.2.0079HM
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Ok, I've been on here a while and I've flashed many custom ROMs and many radio versions for my HTC P4600. And I know that the "best" radio version for one person may not be the best for another person based on their location, etc. But, that's my problem.
I tend to travel on occasion and I need my phone to have at least as good of reception as everyone else when I'm away because I use it for work. I can't really go to Wyoming and "test" which radio works best there, then go to Orlando and "test" which radio works best there, much less keep several radio versions to flash before I get there. I've read on here that some level of experimentation is necessary to find what works best, but I can't really go cross-country and try each version out ahead of time.
I know that "what's the best radio version" is a topic that tends to get flames, "read the sticky you noob!" type comments, etc. but I'm really wondering if anyone who does a lot of traveling in the U.S. has a radio version that seems to be at least universally average on their Raphael. Maybe not the absolute best, mind you, but one that works pretty reliably well in a variety of locations. My current ROM is in my signature line, as is my radio version. I'm only using radios that are compatible with the Raphael (not trying to port over another device's radio or anything).
So, is there a "best" radio for general use in a variety of locations?
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Ok, I've been on here a while and I've flashed many custom ROMs and many radio versions for my HTC P4600. And I know that the "best" radio version for one person may not be the best for another person based on their location, etc. But, that's my problem.
I tend to travel on occasion and I need my phone to have at least as good of reception as everyone else when I'm away because I use it for work. I can't really go to Wyoming and "test" which radio works best there, then go to Orlando and "test" which radio works best there, much less keep several radio versions to flash before I get there. I've read on here that some level of experimentation is necessary to find what works best, but I can't really go cross-country and try each version out ahead of time.
I know that "what's the best radio version" is a topic that tends to get flames, "read the sticky you noob!" type comments, etc. but I'm really wondering if anyone who does a lot of traveling in the U.S. has a radio version that seems to be at least universally average on their Raphael. Maybe not the absolute best, mind you, but one that works pretty reliably well in a variety of locations. My current ROM is in my signature line, as is my radio version. I'm only using radios that are compatible with the Raphael (not trying to port over another device's radio or anything).
So, is there a "best" radio for general use in a variety of locations?
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I think the radio performance depends on your carrier and location, for example a radio on an A&T device will work the same on the same network (AT&T) regardless of where it is.
But since this forum is international, thats where you run into the location issue.
Best to look at Mods or Seniors that have the same carrier and are in the same network and test those radios.
Some may prefer better HSDPA than GPS which is a trade off for some radios.
The radio in your signature should work just about as good as any other radio out there.
That helps greatly
Bruce Inman said:
(Sparking his lighter, Bruce responds.....)
I think the radio performance depends on your carrier and location, for example a radio on an A&T device will work the same on the same network (AT&T) regardless of where it is.
But since this forum is international, thats where you run into the location issue.
Best to look at Mods or Seniors that have the same carrier and are in the same network and test those radios.
Some may prefer better HSDPA than GPS which is a trade off for some radios.
The radio in your signature should work just about as good as any other radio out there.
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Ah, international locations. I didn't make that distinction. Good to know that about my current radio as well. Thanks for the info.
N00b question:
When I hear discussions on "radios" I always though we was talking about the FM radio. So are we talking about the phone radio software or the FM radio?
phone firmware radio not the fm one lol.
qtipextra said:
N00b question:
When I hear discussions on "radios" I always though we was talking about the FM radio. So are we talking about the phone radio software or the FM radio?
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Radio ROMs available for your Raphael
The Radio stack in your Raphael is responsible for the connections via GSM and UMTS(3G) - things such as reception and download speeds, etc are affected by the radio stack. Generally some issues with poor reception and bad call quality can be remedied by updating your radio stack using one of the versions found below.
The radio stack is not responsible for wifi or bluetooth connections. This is catered for by the drivers inside the ROM itself.
To find out your current radio version, go to start>settings>system(tab)>Device Information. Your radio version will be displayed there along with some other information about your ROM and protocol versions.
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See this page from the Raphael Radio wiki for a list of extracted Rapheal Radios, install/upgrade procedure, and more info.
I just installed this ROM but have been noticing bad radio signals and bad battery drain. I want to flash a radio but am unsure on which to install. I am an ATT user if that comes into account when considering the best radio. Thanks
aval1392 said:
I just installed this ROM but have been noticing bad radio signals and bad battery drain. I want to flash a radio but am unsure on which to install. I am an ATT user if that comes into account when considering the best radio. Thanks
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The inspire only radio thread in the dev section has ready-to-flash radios known to work with this exact phone.
I don't know if CoreDroid recommends a specific radio, but if it does, it's undoubtedly in that radio thread.
It's must-read material if you want to start exploring different radios.
The stock OTA radio recently released (06.30_M) has given many people good results across a variety of different roms. Matching the appropriate RIL for the radio and the type of ROM you're running, is important. This is also covered in the thread.
Just be sure to read and understand fully the radio thread's post #1, and any of the linked material it points to. Also never hurts to scan through the comments as well...
just installed leedroid 3.2.1 and its great issue im having is that im trying to flash the recommended radio in his post.i download it and rename it but all it says in hboot is (parsing) not sure what i am doing wrong..
edit i checked the md5sum and it does not match from the post..help plz
jesses_girl said:
just installed leedroid 3.2.1 and its great issue im having is that im trying to flash the recommended radio in his post.i download it and rename it but all it says in hboot is (parsing) not sure what i am doing wrong..
edit i checked the md5sum and it does not match from the post..help plz
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If it doesn't match the md5 then you have to redownloaf
zelendel said:
If it doesn't match the md5 then you have to redownloaf
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i have a bunch of times already
jesses_girl said:
i have a bunch of times already
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Then something is wrong with how your downloading it. Are you doing it by PC or phone?
from my mac tried different browsers..came to conclusion that issue with radio thanks for info.
Use the one from this thread,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1106324
Inspire Radio Thread [OP Updated June 10 2011]
I'm using the stock At&t radio with no issues... what does the recommended radio do better?
lee_ said:
I'm using the stock At&t radio with no issues... what does the recommended radio do better?
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The answer to your question is: I like turtles. (credit goes to id10terrordfw for that one)
But seriously, the reason I said "I like turtles" is because sometimes that question has no clear answer. If you're not having any issues using the stock radio, then there is no reason to change it. Some developers recommend a particular radio because it has worked for great for them and has been trouble-free in hundreds of hours of their testing. But that doesn't necessarily mean other radios won't work just fine. One thing to keep in mind is many Inspire ROMs are ports from Desire HD ROMs, so a lot of these ROMs will recommend a radio that came out on the DHD, because the developer actually owns that phone and that's the radio he uses. Usually, for any ROM that recommends the latest Desire HD radio version, the latest Inspire radio version will work just fine also. So any ROM that recommends version 09.04.11, version 06.06.30 on the Inspire should work just as good in most, if not all, situations.
henrybravo said:
The answer to your question is: I like turtles. (credit goes to id10terrordfw for that one)
But seriously, the reason I said "I like turtles" is because sometimes that question has no clear answer. If you're not having any issues using the stock radio, then there is no reason to change it. Some developers recommend a particular radio because it has worked for great for them and has been trouble-free in hundreds of hours of their testing. But that doesn't necessarily mean other radios won't work just fine. One thing to keep in mind is many Inspire ROMs are ports from Desire HD ROMs, so a lot of these ROMs will recommend a radio that came out on the DHD, because the developer actually owns that phone and that's the radio he uses. Usually, for any ROM that recommends the latest Desire HD radio version, the latest Inspire radio version will work just fine also. So any ROM that recommends version 09.04.11, version 06.06.30 on the Inspire should work just as good in most, if not all, situations.
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The problem there, Henry, is that timeless concept of... The grass is always greener...
That other radio *might* give me 6 out of 5 bars signal strength where I had -1 before, not to mention 10 gazillion kb/s down, and 5 gazillion kb/s up.
Scott_S said:
The problem there, Henry, is that timeless concept of... The grass is always greener...
That other radio *might* give me 6 out of 5 bars signal strength where I had -1 before, not to mention 10 gazillion kb/s down, and 5 gazillion kb/s up.
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Ha ha, that is true. I'm the same way. Myself, I've tried every damn radio/RIL out there multiple times. From a previous "gotta flash a radio per day" addict like me, my story to lee_ was to try to keep someone from going down that same path. If someone starts going down that slippery slope, I tried to warn them.
yea im just going to use the one on the other post with the radios. i was wondering the same thing what the recommended radio did better but answer has already been posted guess i will just try all radio and see which one fits my needs(speeds) lol
i too had many issues flashing a radio to my phone and i use a mac. its easy if u have eng off but i didn't want to do that. i finally downloaded the radio from that link so it was already pkged and all i had to do was to put it on the root of my sd and it worked perfectly
I just came from the HD2 so I'm new to the inspire. I've searched through all the threads to try and find if there's an overall best radio for the inspire, but there doesn't seem to be any definitive answer. Are most of the radios rom specific, or is there one that's best for all of them?
Sent from my Inspire 4G using XDA App
Radio performance varies with each individual location and phone. You really need to test that for yourself. The recommended radio for each rom is the one the developer tested for their specific rom. You may find that another radio and ril work better for your situation.
Cool thanks. The HD2 had one radio that was the best across all roms, so I was hoping the inspire was the same. Guess it's time to flash happy. Thanks again.
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12.39a.60.19x_26.06.06.30_M or 12.54.60.25x_26.09.04.11_M2 seem to the main two radios that people are using on the Inspire for the most part. These are the main two radios that most roms recommend. I have used them both and they are both good. They both have ups and downs so I go back and forth some. Just make sure to flash the matching RIL with it.
So after doing some research into this more, I found that after the rooting process, alot of users HSUPA becomes broken if you dont skip the last step where it flashes the stock radio back after the downgraded one. Also, flashing any other radios than the stock one can also cause you to lose HSUPA. I verified this on my own phone after using Bubby's one click, and was getting less than .5 Mbps up and down. After reflashing the stock ROM and radio, restoring my previous ROM, and flashing the matched RIL, I now consistently get over 5 Mbps up and down. Any of you guys noticed this or know about it?
Reference: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1031769
Sully6789 said:
So after doing some research into this more, I found that after the rooting process, alot of users HSUPA becomes broken if you dont skip the last step where it flashes the stock radio back after the downgraded one. Also, flashing any other radios than the stock one can also cause you to lose HSUPA. I verified this on my own phone after using Bubby's one click, and was getting less than .5 Mbps up and down. After reflashing the stock ROM and radio, restoring my previous ROM, and flashing the matched RIL, I now consistently get over 5 Mbps up and down. Any of you guys noticed this or know about it?
Reference: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1031769
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I didn't have this problem. I just used the ace hack kit and then flashed the radio and Ril I wanted. I get around 5.5 down and around 1.2 up during non-peak times.
I realize many of you see this as a dumb question. But I see a lot of posts about radios. I've tried looking around the web what it is but couldn't really find good explaining information. I see a lot of posts for flashing the radio and a lot of different versions.
I'm running MIUI on my Sensation 4G and if radio is something I need to flash then I want to know what it is before I try flashing and brick my phone. So I've managed to find the version I have so if someone can point me the right direction I'd be very grateful.
So the main question is - WHAT IS RADIO?
So this is what I got
Radio - 10.14.9035.01_M
the radio pretty much just has to do with the wireless connectivity of ur phone, so ur wifi, bluetooth, 3g all controlled by your phones radio.
you shouldnt have to flash a new radio for every rom, if your facing problems, and think a new radio could fix them then you could try a new radio if you wanted.
hope this helped
Lol oh yea definitely! very simply put too! I just was wondering why there's so many versions and chance of bricking dam thing.
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maxe30is said:
Lol oh yea definitely! very simply put too! I just was wondering why there's so many versions and chance of bricking dam thing.
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Flashing the radio is just about the only sure fire way of bricking it.. It's one of those things people are most skeptical about flashing. No nandroid will save you with an improperly flashed radio
EDIT: I've been flashing roms for a long time now and not once have I ever had to flash a new radio.
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OK. I installed the HD Revolution 3.6.9 ROM days ago and have 2 major issues. As I am a new member, I am unable to post in the developmental section. Grateful for the OP to ask the question as I am also seeking to know "what radio is".
Although, I also want to ask - what is a kernel?
I believe thousands of members installed that HD Revolution 3.6.9 ROM and I couldn't find any reference for bluetooth and mms issues.
My phone can only detect my Nokia phone, my Plantronics bluetooth M100 is undetectable.
I am also unable to send MMS and yes, I tried the original settings, called the network and played with different settings but problem persists.
I checked the Hardware Information of the phone and it says "Bluetooth address - unavailable"
Kernel is a bridge between applications and the actual data processing done at the hardware level. So basically kernel tells all the hardware what to do (overclocked processors, undervolted batteries and etc) So far best one I've tried for Sensation 4G is the 2.6.35.14 Trinity S4G. Processor is overclocked to 1.7Ghz from stock 1.2 Ghz and the battery life is great!
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OK. I installed the HD Revolution 3.6.9 ROM days ago and have 2 major issues. As I am a new member, I am unable to post in the developmental section. Grateful for the OP to ask the question as I am also seeking to know "what radio is".
Although, I also want to ask - what is a kernel?
I believe thousands of members installed that HD Revolution 3.6.9 ROM and I couldn't find any reference for bluetooth and mms issues.
My phone can only detect my Nokia phone, my Plantronics bluetooth M100 is undetectable.
I am also unable to send MMS and yes, I tried the original settings, called the network and played with different settings but problem persists.
I checked the Hardware Information of the phone and it says "Bluetooth address - unavailable"
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btw try wiping you sd card and then flashing the Rom. helped me few time (im no developer )
IAmTheOneTheyCallNeo said:
Flashing the radio is just about the only sure fire way of bricking it.. It's one of those things people are most skeptical about flashing. No nandroid will save you with an improperly flashed radio
EDIT: I've been flashing roms for a long time now and not once have I ever had to flash a new radio.
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Obviously some radios are better than others?
Like the goal for man:
We want the best and we want it now.
Hardcore69er said:
Obviously some radios are better than others?
Like the goal for man:
We want the best and we want it now.
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Well that I'm not sure how accurate this statement is. That's why I started this thread just to know what it is. But from all the info I gathered online, you don't really need to flash a radio. Every thread with radios I saw that ppl will put a warning that you might brick your phone. So, my phone works great, never had any problems so I'll stay on the safe side (for now) and just do more research
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Well that I'm not sure how accurate this statement is. That's why I started this thread just to know what it is. But from all the info I gathered online, you don't really need to flash a radio. Every thread with radios I saw that ppl will put a warning that you might brick your phone. So, my phone works great, never had any problems so I'll stay on the safe side (for now) and just do more research
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Good decision..