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So far, I love almost everything about Mango. But there's one thing that's pissing me off. It used to be that you could start a download and just keep right on browsing. I found this VASTLY superior to the experience of the marketplace on iPhone, where you choose an app to install and it dumps out of the market.
Unfortunately, the new Marketplace on WP7 does exactly what the iPhone app store does now, and it sucks. SUCKS! Is there any way to revert it to the old behavior? Of all the features to parrot from iOS, this was the worst!
I think there's no way to revert the old function in Mango. But I think you just have to hit "back" one time to go back to the market? I will try it
Edit: Hitting "back" one time works fine for me In my opinion it's not really annoying.
Yes, back button is a quick workaround. I was annoyed also, but as I don't install a lot of apps at once, this is only annoying at the first configuration.
iOS has back button?
It annoys me a lot more the dissapear of the "tabs" button in the web browser than this.
Just hit the back arrow, it's not that big of a deal.
I'm not sure if iOS / iPhone has got a back button
Wait?! On NoDo there was a button for the "tabs", right? And now we have to slide up the menu and click on it. Am I right?
No, of course no iOS devices have a back button, that's common knowledge. This IS a big deal though, when you factor in that Zune STILL can't simply backup your apps for easy reinstall, making it a giant hassle to get all your apps back. Now it's made worse because you have to back straight up again. Still not as bad as iOS, but definitely a step in the WRONG direction.
I agree about the tabs in IE; the new way to get to them is lame.
I must say I don't tend to install 10 apps at a time, so pressing back if i need to add a second one is not an issue at all.
In other words I think this is a step in the right direction
Personal choice I guess ... but imho nothing to start an entire thread on ..
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No, of course no iOS devices have a back button, that's common knowledge. This IS a big deal though, when you factor in that Zune STILL can't simply backup your apps for easy reinstall, making it a giant hassle to get all your apps back. Now it's made worse because you have to back straight up again. Still not as bad as iOS, but definitely a step in the WRONG direction.
I agree about the tabs in IE; the new way to get to them is lame.
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If you install your app via Zune, it'll automaically installed when you reflashed / hard reset your phone.
Nope, not a single app I'd installed from Zune automatically reinstalled. On top of that, if you *didn't* install it from Zune to begin with, you can't install it from Zune at all--EVER. It's locked out. No choice but to do it from the phone ad infinitum.
So far I'm loving 95% of Mango, but it's not without its missteps, unfortunately. I agree it's not usually a HUGE deal to have to press the back button, but it's still a step in the wrong direction. Android marketplace has it right, and Windows Phone marketplace used to.
There's another thing which is absolutely broken. You can't reinstall anything from Zune. If you try, it will tell you it's already installed and the install button is greyed out.
People have different tastes, I get it. You might say the back button is a big plus in usability compared to ios.
But I think on ios they rarely screw this kind of functionality.
maybe they haven't update their zune or marketplace according to mango.
I read an article from Microsoft about this before, if i recall correctly, the reason why it dumps you to the application list is to show you where you can find your app once it was installed.
People were not aware of where their app was located once they hit install in the Marketplace. You hit install, the progress bar appears, and then once its done, the app simply disappears with no indication as to where it went. People were confused by this behavior. By visually showing people that their app was being installed into the application list, they now know exactly where to find their app, and they can also launch the app once it is done installing/downloading. Same thing with games, people were not finding the game they installed, so now it shows you that its in the Games hub.
In my opinion, this method is more intuitive. An option to disable it would be nice, because I know where my apps are going, but I think for most people, this method makes more sense and is more fluid.
The upside is that you can simply press back to get back to the marketplace. Another positive is the fact that you can now launch your app immediately as it finishes, instead of having to back out all the way start screen, then swiping to the right. I'm sure most people install apps one at a time, rather than a whole bunch at once, so in the long run, this method makes much more sense.
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There's another thing which is absolutely broken. You can't reinstall anything from Zune. If you try, it will tell you it's already installed and the install button is greyed out.
People have different tastes, I get it. You might say the back button is a big plus in usability compared to ios.
But I think on ios they rarely screw this kind of functionality.
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The back button is a HUGE deal and makes an incredible difference over any iDevice. I'm all about different tastes, of course. I completely agree that the Zune software's ability to reinstall apps is completely, totally, 100% BROKEN. However, that's not an iOS advantage, that's an iTunes advantage (and let's face it, iTunes has so few of them, LOL) and I'd never go back to the crapware that is iOS now that I've enjoyed WP7 and especially Mango.
But that said, yes, there is still work to be done. I'd hoped mango would fix everything, but alas it's failed to do so. I must give it credit, though--it fixes *almost* everything
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I read an article from Microsoft about this before, if i recall correctly, the reason why it dumps you to the application list is to show you where you can find your app once it was installed.
People were not aware of where their app was located once they hit install in the Marketplace. You hit install, the progress bar appears, and then once its done, the app simply disappears with no indication as to where it went. People were confused by this behavior. By visually showing people that their app was being installed into the application list, they now know exactly where to find their app, and they can also launch the app once it is done installing/downloading. Same thing with games, people were not finding the game they installed, so now it shows you that its in the Games hub.
In my opinion, this method is more intuitive. An option to disable it would be nice, because I know where my apps are going, but I think for most people, this method makes more sense and is more fluid.
The upside is that you can simply press back to get back to the marketplace. Another positive is the fact that you can now launch your app immediately as it finishes, instead of having to back out all the way start screen, then swiping to the right. I'm sure most people install apps one at a time, rather than a whole bunch at once, so in the long run, this method makes much more sense.
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I get where you're going, but I humbly disagree. it would be better to prompt the user once an app finishes installing: "Would you like to see where we've installed your app?" Let's face it: if you can't figure out that your app is in the *alphabetical list* of APPS, maybe you shouldn't be using a smartphone at all
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I get where you're going, but I humbly disagree. it would be better to prompt the user once an app finishes installing: "Would you like to see where we've installed your app?" Let's face it: if you can't figure out that your app is in the *alphabetical list* of APPS, maybe you shouldn't be using a smartphone at all
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Well now that is a more annoying solution. That last thing I want is another prompt asking me another question. The old way or the new way is much better than having to go through another prompt. That breaks the fluid flow of the app installation process. The less prompts, the better.
Not to mention, the new method feels more complete. Like a full circle. Find an app -> choose to install it -> see download/installation progress and where its located -> launch and go.
Though I do agree that if you can't find where your apps are to begin with, you've got some issues there, but one of the points of Windows Phone 7 was to be a friendlier and more intuitive phone, and this only reinforces that thinking.
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I get where you're going, but I humbly disagree. it would be better to prompt the user once an app finishes installing: "Would you like to see where we've installed your app?" Let's face it: if you can't figure out that your app is in the *alphabetical list* of APPS, maybe you shouldn't be using a smartphone at all
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A prompt will be completelly awful, the current behaviour is very intuitive for all users, but Microsoft usually add things for power users like a lot of key combinations and stuff, so I feel that in this case they are missing like a "Install in background" option if you hold your finger over the install button, or the application, or in a menu.
Also about the tab switch in IE, I also feel that a 2 finger swipe is REQUIRED to switch tabs. WP7 barely uses finger gestures, and in this case flip a tab is a 3-step action...
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A prompt will be completelly awful, the current behaviour is very intuitive for all users, but Microsoft usually add things for power users like a lot of key combinations and stuff, so I feel that in this case they are missing like a "Install in background" option if you hold your finger over the install button, or the application, or in a menu.
Also about the tab switch in IE, I also feel that a 2 finger swipe is REQUIRED to switch tabs. WP7 barely uses finger gestures, and in this case flip a tab is a 3-step action...
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A prompt might not work, it was just a thought. However, having an option in settings to be able to choose the preferred behavior would be ideal.
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I read an article from Microsoft about this before, if i recall correctly, the reason why it dumps you to the application list is to show you where you can find your app once it was installed.
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This actually makes sense. I did have this exact problem in NoDo, where I wasn't sure if an app had downloaded, or where it could be located. Dumping the user into the application list is not a problem when the system has a "back" button.
two finger swiping to change tabs would be awesome. Even pinch zooming right out like with the pictures.
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No, of course no iOS devices have a back button, that's common knowledge.
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Maybe for you as you had an iDevice before. But why should I know this? I don't care about iDevices
The methods mentioned in this thread sound great I'd like to be asked whether to use a "tabs" button or the "two finger swipe". An option in the settings would be perfect.
And I also like how an app is installed
But the best solutions are to provide options so that the user can choose his favourite way
Microsoft has a powerful browser in MANGO. Its ability to load multiple pages in the background is very effective to those who visit many different sites. This definitely reduces overall waiting time. Microsoft, however, has chosen to remove the easy accessed “tabs” and “favorites” icon and bury it under the menu, thus making tabbed browsing two taps more difficult, and to some, more annoying. Many mango users have been irritated with this change, myself included.
The reason for this removal is that Microsoft has collected sufficient data to conclude that most users don’t use the “tab” and ‘favorites” feature often.
Do you think Microsoft made the right choice to bury the “tab” and “favorites” icons into Mango’s menu to provide a more “full-page-experience?” Would you have sacrificed easy tab browsing? What would you done differently? How can Microsoft push innovation for mobile browsing to the Next Level? Your thoughts are welcomed.
Obviously not, but Microsoft is not known for making good choices these days.
I dont mind the change. The only thing i would like to see is the address bar disappear after a minute or so to provide a larger viewing screen.
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I dont mind the change. The only thing i would like to see is the address bar disappear after a minute or so to provide a larger viewing screen.
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I agree. They obviously deprioritized tabbed browsing but it's not that big of a deal. Fullscreen after a timeout would be a welcome addition.
The "Favorites" buttons were a waste of space.
I wonder what type of data they collected.
They should at least add a setting that gives users a choice on whether to bury it or leave it show.
Hopefully, they'll set things right in the future minor updates.
I personally don't miss these icons as I never used them. But I agree with the point, that the adress bar could disappear after a while, the question might be: How can we get the adress bar back, when we need it again
I dont particularly like it off the bat but I'll get used to it I'm sure.
i would like a "half button" like the paste button on the keyboard. when swiping the address bar this could reveal the button (again, exactly like the paste button) allowing access to the old tab interface.
I really miss quick tab access and the folders button in Outlook. Seems to me gesture based access to tabs would have been a better solution for tab access than deprecating tabs into the menu. They have their data from testing, but it doesn't make it any more palatable.
It's really all about how you use it, isn't it? In general, I like the fact that the majority of the chrome was moved to the bottom of the screen, but otherwise I'm finding that (personally) I have more clicks to get to what I need.
For instance, I don't tend to enter NEW urls very often (almost never), nor do I refresh the page I'm on very often. Now those controls are front and center, and I hardly ever use them. I would also like to see the URL box disappear after a short time. No need to see it so prominently. Also, when you flip up the bottom of the screen for more options, why does the top of the screen (time, cell reception, etc.) come down as well? Seems unnecessary.
Otherwise, I tend to open my browser, look through about 8 sites that I have in my "favorites", and then close it up. Now I have to perform an extra "flip up" action for each favorited site I visit. Annoying, but not the end of the world.
Certainly interesting changes to make.
I hate Microsoft's removal of the "tab" and "favorites" icon in the browser!
IMO the new solution is much better at least where tabbed browsing is concerned ..... try fast app switching while two or more apps are open .....you'll see what i mean.
in regards to favorites the solution is not as good as before but since i rarely use that feature.... and after all i could pin a website i frequently use to my home scree....
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I hate Microsoft's removal of the "tab" and "favorites" icon in the browser!
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I agree. I normally navigate from site to site using the bookmarks I keep saved. In WP7, without quick and simple access to the bookmarks, it makes things less desirable.
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I personally don't miss these icons as I never used them. But I agree with the point, that the adress bar could disappear after a while, the question might be: How can we get the adress bar back, when we need it again
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Maybe swiping from the top of the screen like in W8.
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Can't answer the pollthe way it is worded. I do agree that it is more difficult but I would not say I hardly use tabs anyway. I used them all the time. I also use favorites a lot and only rarely type in address bar.
It isn't a huge problem but it's a step back.
I did use tabbed browsing but only because whenever I opend a link, I would have a new tab open and thus I had to close tabs. I was not browsing different pages at the same time very often, but from time to time.
I like it the way it is now, because otherwise the "Tabs" button would have taken up space I need.
Now it is two taps away instead of one tap and I don't think that is so much of a deal. If you look at the usage stats they shared its obvious this was the right decision.
Ok so with mango if you HOLD the back button you will see a bunch of different tabs and stuff that are open.Is there any way to close them?
Instead of using the windows button to quit an app, just hit the back button until the menu. Mash on the back button while you're on main menu to exit out of all of them.
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Ok so with mango if you HOLD the back button you will see a bunch of different tabs and stuff that are open.Is there any way to close them?
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That's what I was wondering too. I was trying to swipe apps up and down to have them closed. Instead looks like clicking on the back button is only solution and it's very inconvenient since might require more than one click to leave the app. I don't know if this is licencing issue but Microsoft should do something about this, like adding small x or something at least.
Yeah it seems the only way to close them is by hitting the back button. I would also very much like a small "x" to close programs, or swipe them away or something. It'd feel a lot better (especially when programs such as games have the little "Resuming.." thing, I find that annoying when trying to close).
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Yeah it seems the only way to close them is by hitting the back button. I would also very much like a small "x" to close programs, or swipe them away or something. It'd feel a lot better (especially when programs such as games have the little "Resuming.." thing, I find that annoying when trying to close).
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Hmm as long as you see the "Resuming..." you don't have to worry about battery, RAM or cpu consumption. Just leave it "open" cuz it's actually not running it's tombstoned (that's why resumin is necessary and a lot of games need to load their stuff again).
But with the mango multitasking I'd love to see it, too.
Let's vote for it:
http://windowsphone.uservoice.com/f...8-close-apps-running-in-background-?ref=title
Mango doesn't really have multitasking. Unless you have Jaxbot's no-dehydration hack enabled (which works on NoDo as well; it has nothing to do with Mango), even a Mango app is using no active resources (CPU, sensors, etc.) while in the background. It does hold onto RAM, but if the OS needs more RAM for the foreground processes, it will just tombstone the backgrounded apps, freeing their RAM.
Let's say that again, for clarity:
If an app isn't in the foreground on WP7, Mango or otherwise, it is using no performance resources and consuming no battery.
OK, now that I've gotten that out of the way... I agree that it's occasionally annoying to fully back out of an app. For example, backing out of Puzzle Quest requires a lot of steps before you get to the "are you sure you want to exit?" screen. Pre-Mango apps that don't resume isntantly are also annoying to "back" into.
So... I agree with your rquest, but NOT for the reasons implied by @chabun. Just wanted to clear that up...
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Oh, as for closing browser tabs: open the web browser (in any way, including backing into it), and then expand the App Bar menu and select the Tabs option. I'm extremely annoyed that MS made Tabs so much harder to get to in Mango, but it's still there and you can still close them directly.
I'd like to close tabs in the multitask switcher simply because it only allows the last 5 apps to be resumed, and I often hit the limit. I don't want to waste slots with tabs that I don't need, e.g. settings.
Just hit Back instead of Start for things like settings. For that specific case, it's probably faster than opening the task switcher and hitting an X. It would be nice to have another method, I agree, but it is already possible to close apps.
I was thinking about removing the hole bixby crap and use the Bixby button to do something else ? what do you think ?
Good ideea! How?
It's entirely up to you. Everybody will have a different opinion and there will be plenty of people that will enjoy using Bixby. I'll probably use it sometimes.
Everybody has different needs. I for example, don't use my phone to purchase anything and I don't have a need for Samsung Pay or Android Pay. Never will and I'll never understand the point of it. That's useless bloatware for me. It's much quicker and easier to use my contactless debit card.
You'll have to decide if it's useful or not to you.
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I was thinking about removing the hole bixby crap and use the Bixby button to do something else ? what do you think ?
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Yup my thoughts exactly, ditch the crap and make use of the button for something that might actually be useful, although I am not yet sure what (if the virtual home button irritates me then perhaps use it as a home button, or maybe a recent apps button). Don't know if you can do that without a custom rom, I suspect not as Samsung probably wants to force it on people.
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Yup my thoughts exactly, ditch the crap and make use of the button for something that might actually be useful, although I am not yet sure what (if the virtual home button irritates me then perhaps use it as a home button, or maybe a recent apps button). Don't know if you can do that without a custom rom, I suspect not as Samsung probably wants to force it on people.
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that the spirit we will probably find a good use out of it.
Its just samsung take on google. It will probably just be more straight forward. It does the same thing..google translate uses the camera to live translate words.
You can google voice to set alarms etc...
I might use it might not its stuff phones have been doing for a while.
Sounds good
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I was thinking about removing the hole bixby crap and use the Bixby button to do something else ? what do you think ?
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Google Assistant is already useful, bixby is just another waste of space imo
I just want to delete bixby and I don't even own one yet
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I'm sure it will be pretty useless for most of us, but I can see the thinking behind it. It'll be interesting to see if they improve it as time goes on.
Bixby can suck it! I'm going to deactivate that bloat asap.
It seems like voice assistance is being marketed as the future. Personally I don't see myself using it. I'm also wondering how many people actually use Google Assistant and Siri.
Edit: Rereading that last sentence, it seems like I'm questioning the numbers, but I really am interested to know how many people actually use it and for more complex things than checking the weather or asking funny questions.
Yeah I dont see it as a feature I would use. But my understanding is you cant remap the Bixby key to anything.
The main thing for me is the cards part of bixby. That's what actually launches when you press the button. I can put weather, reminders, calenders all right there so I can see it at a moment's notice. That way I don't have to put home screen widgets or ongoing notifications for those.
I think they want to make bixy like from iron man, where he talks to his ai, who is now an avenger. If bixy learns like they say i think itll be cool. Like bixy watch and learn me doing this, learning....then it can do what ever i show it
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It seems like voice assistance is being marketed as the future. Personally I don't see myself using it. I'm also wondering how many people actually use Google Assistant and Siri.
Edit: Rereading that last sentence, it seems like I'm questioning the numbers, but I really am interested to know how many people actually use it and for more complex things than checking the weather or asking funny questions.
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I honestly didn't think I would use Google Assistant as much however was I wrong.... I'll try to explain how it's useful on the pixel.
1st... The assistant kind of works in the background through other apps like photos, I was rotating some old downloaded photos because they were sideways however I didn't finish, next day when I first went in my photos the assistant randomly notified me of all the pics that were sideways and asked did I want it to rotate them which I clicked yes. Also the google cards bring news, sports, stock etc based off things you normally search like if I've been googling Samsung S8, I will start to see news, info regarding the S8 each day on my daily feed/ cards (Hard to explain but it's very convenient because it will show whatever you've been interested in such as new games, cars you've look at etc).
2nd... There's actually using the assistant voice features which are absurdly accurate even when I misstate a word. The assistant learns who people are so I don't always have to say names instead I can say call my cousin, mom, wife etc at home, on speaker phone. I can also say go to bestbuy.com or any other website. Set my alarm for 10am, add bananas to my grocery list, remind me to take out the trash when I get home, play a specific song on YouTube or in music player. All of this is not only accurate but considerable faster than doing it manually. In addition you don't need a physical button to activate the assistant, you just say "ok Google" and it knows your voice even if your phone was locked so it's truly hands free. As I'm getting ready for work I ask "how is the traffic to work". A few minutes ago I was just streaming a movie from my phone to my tv and got up to get my clothes out the washer so I told the assistant to pause video, then resume when I sat back down.
3rd.... I honestly felt Bixby functioned a little slow in relation to Google Assistant/ Siri however it's still kind of beta until the phone is released. I can see where Samsung's is trying to bridge the gap while also trying to get their foot in the door but only time will tell if it will flop or stand however I can definitely see voice assistants becoming a bigger footprint in all phones.
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It seems like voice assistance is being marketed as the future. Personally I don't see myself using it. I'm also wondering how many people actually use Google Assistant and Siri.
Edit: Rereading that last sentence, it seems like I'm questioning the numbers, but I really am interested to know how many people actually use it and for more complex things than checking the weather or asking funny questions.
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I thought I wouldn't use it either but I'm warming up to it - primarily for replying to text's while driving, getting directions, finding restaurants, etc. Pretty handy in that respect and for me, it's more accurate than my typing on the screen keypad, which I find horrible to use (Samsung's keyboard).
But the point is google now/ assistant does this already. This video below is a perfect response to bixby.
By the way, you can disable bixby and you can reasssign google now or google assistant (or any other app you want) to the bixby button.
https://youtu.be/xfG15i_uQvc
Totally Agree, there was no point in Samsung spending time & resources on something that already exists and has since 2012 i believe.
But great that it can be remapped as now that button becomes useful.......[emoji3]
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Unfortunately from the hands on videos I've seen, you can't remap the button. Not sure if you would even be able to disable it in software without root.
Remap Bixby Button!
Use "All In One Gestures" App to remap the Bixby Button. Search YouTube!
I am getting fed up it seems they make a new version of android twice a year and are starting to add very little, instead they are taking away or changing things that were working perfectly well. I just installed lineage os android 11, they took out the downloading icon so when I press download on any file it doesn't show a icon in the notification bar???
WHY??
Instead you have to swipe the notification bar down to see the download, so they added an extra swipe for no reason. I end up pressing on the file to download twice because I think it didn't register, then swipe only to see its downloading multiple files!!!???
Also who else is annoyed that they changed the open app overview button (square one) since nougat, in nougat it was a stack of all your open apps and you can instantly see ALLL open apps and press on one quickly, because it was like a pile/stack with the headers and names showing on top like a pile of documents on a desk. You would swipe up and down to go through them all and left or right to close them. It worked perfectly and gave an edge over the Apple way of doing it.
Now they made it so you can only see one open app at a time and have to swipe left or right through them, its very unintuitive and awkward on my thumb, if you swipe fast you cannot even see what is open as they fly past like building out the windows of a fast moving car. And you swipe up to close them. The whole thing is very un intuitive and painful almost on my thumb.
I feel like they are not looking at improving things they just change it, so they can release new versions of android and peole want it. Like planned obsolescence the only reason for its existance is to make people want a new phone.
They added one feature of note in android 11 the dark mode. That is all.
Also all the symbols and fonts are so tiny now its hard to quickly swipe down the notification bar and press on the settings cog, its literally hald a centimeter large...
Anyway I thought I was going to be happy with lineage 17/ android 11 and it was a total waste of my time... Now trying to find an older lineage for my moto g5, android 7 or 8. As long as the over view is a pile not only one open app on screen at a time..
And who do I even complain to? It is impossible to get in touch with anyone at these huge corporation and they have no customer service anymore.
This world is a **** show, no one wants a quality product its just all about looking cool and spending cash.
WE ARE DOOMED!!!
At this point, Samsung is taking more responsibility for Android than Google is.
Generally I share the sentiment. Change for the sake of change every few months, both in the OS and apps. Options disappear, reappear, change for the worse, and sometimes for the better. Also the GUI, with its ever changing look du jour, is an always moving target, in many cases for the worse. Another problem, new Android versions sometimes break compatibility or start disallowing certain options, usually for the sake of "security".
But non-stock Android variants may look or work differently. Some allow more tweaking. And for certain things you can use third party apps, or launchers, to fix the GUI or add (back) missing features. I haven't used vanilla Android much but the little I tried wasn't impressive. It seemed more limited and primitive than manufacturer variants.
By the way, a new version of core Android is only once a year. Luckily?
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Generally I share the sentiment. Change for the sake of change every few months, both in the OS and apps. Options disappear, reappear, change for the worse, and sometimes for the better. Also the GUI, with its ever changing look de jour, is an always moving target, in many cases for the worse. Another problem, new Android versions sometimes break compatibility or start disallowing certain options, usually for the sake of "security".
But non-stock Android variants may look or work differently. Some allow more tweaking. And for certain things you can use third party apps, or launchers, to fix the GUI or add (back) missing features. I haven't used vanilla Android much but the little I tried wasn't impressive. It seemed more limited and primitive than manufacturer variants.
By the way, a new version of core Android is only once a year. Luckily?
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Yeah, I find stock/Pixel Android hilariously under featured now.
I mean, Apple has a built-in automation app (Shortcuts) that is good-enough.
Android users would have to download a 3rd Party app unless they choose a Samsung device with Bixby Routines (fantastic app by the way).
I don't mean app-level stuff, but more the global UI and real core functionality.
Yeah nice you all raise good points and I dunno if its just be getting old but a lot of the time things change for the worse! It just seems to be for the sake of "change" itself. I dunno why that app overview has been changed it is so awkward and hard to use now hahah. It was perfection in android 7, it seems like they did that just to copy apple? Strange as the previous method (stack or pile as it were) was a pretty unique and easy to use alternative making android stand out more. But no they just copy apple again and again so its more "cool"? I dunno I thought it was meant to be competing with apple not copying it!!
I agree, the only reason I went from 7 to 10 was for dark theme and latest security patch, and to get rid of all the Samsung bloatware. It really is all down to marketing, newer latest higher numbers is better in most peoples eyes.
I really think google could add new features into existing builds rather than having to flash a new install.