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With the Arrive coming out on Sprint soon, and the Trophy coming to Verizon, allegedly on the 24th, I'm wondering if it will be possible to get an Arrive to work on Verizon? Verizon's coverage in my area is far better than Sprint's, but I don't want the bottom of the barrel WP7 device, as I've heard the Trophy called. I have used the Mogul, the Touch Pro, and now the Touch Pro 2, and really like having that slide-out keyboard.
Any idea if getting Arrive to work on Verizon, or am I doomed to deal with Trophy?
Thanks,
Rich
No idea. The only WP7 device I've heard of for Verizon is the Trophy, like you stated.
You can get the Arrive on Sprint and roam on Verizon!
I am hoping that a few more WP7 devices are announced for both carriers at CTIA (March 22-24).
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No idea. The only WP7 device I've heard of for Verizon is the Trophy, like you stated.
You can get the Arrive on Sprint and roam on Verizon!
I am hoping that a few more WP7 devices are announced for both carriers at CTIA (March 22-24).
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Sprint has agreements with Verizon, when you roam on Sprint it is through Verizon's network and there is no extra charge.
You could get on the Sprint Everything Plus Data plan for $59.99, and pay another $10 for the premium data plan, and pay $69.99 for a new HTC Arrive.
Really.... :/
I had a Sprint Mogul when I moved to GA two years ago. The reception was PATHETIC. You used to see the commercials where someone would say something then drop the call, and it was totally awkward? Well, that happened to me. I was talking to a dear friend, and said, "I love you, Patty", and the call dropped, and I WOULD have continued, "you're one of the dearest friends I have." Of course she didn't hear the last part. I drove up and down the road desperately seeking a bar. JUST ONE BAR! I switched to Verizon and that problem went away.
So, I guess the question I have now is whether the switch to CDMA on Sprint is that recent? I wasn't aware that I could use a Sprint phone on a Verizon network, and due to my past experience I didn't check. If the answer is yes, then I believe I will be cancelling my Verizon contract when the Arrive arrives!
Hmmm... Only issue is that my VZW plan is unlimited data - TRULY unlimited - because I had it on an employee plan when I got it (and I'm not an employee of that company anymore). Is Sprint's plan TRULY unlimited?
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Really.... :/
I had a Sprint Mogul when I moved to GA two years ago. The reception was PATHETIC. You used to see the commercials where someone would say something then drop the call, and it was totally awkward? Well, that happened to me. I was talking to a dear friend, and said, "I love you, Patty", and the call dropped, and I WOULD have continued, "you're one of the dearest friends I have." Of course she didn't hear the last part. I drove up and down the road desperately seeking a bar. JUST ONE BAR! I switched to Verizon and that problem went away.
So, I guess the question I have now is whether the switch to CDMA on Sprint is that recent? I wasn't aware that I could use a Sprint phone on a Verizon network, and due to my past experience I didn't check. If the answer is yes, then I believe I will be cancelling my Verizon contract when the Arrive arrives!
Hmmm... Only issue is that my VZW plan is unlimited data - TRULY unlimited - because I had it on an employee plan when I got it (and I'm not an employee of that company anymore). Is Sprint's plan TRULY unlimited?
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Sprint unlimited really is unlimited, but if you read the fine print they reserve the right to terminate you if you get retarded on it, just like any other carrier. Check with a local Sprint store about the coverage/roaming issue. Most plans on Sprint now include free roaming nationwide, and I can't think of what other major carrier in the US has CDMA other than Verizon.
Don't! sign up for a plan through the store, you need to do it online through the Everythign Plus referral, and get the plan for $10 less than doing it in store. So you can bet a HTC Arrive and pay $59.99+$10 premium data = $69.99 for 500 anytime minutes to landlines, and unlimited any mobile any time, unlimited data, pictures, text, nights starting at 7pm, etc. etc. etc.
http://www.sprint.com/everythingplus
You will need a Sprint employee email address/pin. This is where Russ McGuire comes into play, he is Vice President of Strategy for Sprint. On his blog he invites everyone for the sprint offer.
http://mcguireslaw.com/
(under about on the right hand side he has his email address and pin for everyone to use freely/Legitimately)
Addendum: their fine print says they can terminate/stop service if you use too much data outside their network etc, so the roaming thing would apply here. Wouldn't hurt to check out if their coverage has improved in your area.
Very interesting - thanks so much for the info! I guess now I'm tossing up the pros and cons of going with that or going through wirefly and getting the phone for $50 - especially since my wife will get an arrive if it is $50, but she wont' get it if we have to pay $200 (after rebate). I'm looking at it like this:
From Wirefly:
2 phones $100
monthly rate $149
From Sprint:
1 phone $200 (plus whatever phone my wife ends up getting)
monthly rate $129
So, for $20 a month over 2 years, I would save a total of $480. At a $150 savings for each Arrive buying through wirefly, that takes the comparable savings down to 180. Given that my wife won't get an Arrive if we have to pay full price now (since we'll also have to pay early term fee for our current Verizon contract), She would probably go with a free phone, and I'd save more money, but she wouldn't have WP7 (which I want her to have).
You've given me much food for thought. Right now I'd say we're probably going to end up going with Wirefly, but I'm going to sit on the decision for a couple days to decide. Thank you.
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Very interesting - thanks so much for the info! I guess now I'm tossing up the pros and cons of going with that or going through wirefly and getting the phone for $50 - especially since my wife will get an arrive if it is $50, but she wont' get it if we have to pay $200 (after rebate). I'm looking at it like this:
From Wirefly:
2 phones $100
monthly rate $149
From Sprint:
1 phone $200 (plus whatever phone my wife ends up getting)
monthly rate $129
So, for $20 a month over 2 years, I would save a total of $480. At a $150 savings for each Arrive buying through wirefly, that takes the comparable savings down to 180. Given that my wife won't get an Arrive if we have to pay full price now (since we'll also have to pay early term fee for our current Verizon contract), She would probably go with a free phone, and I'd save more money, but she wouldn't have WP7 (which I want her to have).
You've given me much food for thought. Right now I'd say we're probably going to end up going with Wirefly, but I'm going to sit on the decision for a couple days to decide. Thank you.
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Let me further add to your thoughts, wirefly still may not be the best option.
If you sign up with Sprint and port your current number over to them from another carrier they will give you $125 credit for each smartphone.
http://www.sprint.com/landings/portcredit/
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Move your number to Sprint. Get $125.For a limited time only, activate a new Sprint smartphone and save.Just bring your number from another carrier to Sprint and activate a smartphone, like the Samsung Epic™ 4G, on a new line and we'll give you a $125 service credit. Not ready for a smartphone? We'll give you a $50 service credit when you port your number from another carrier and activate one of our other fabulous phones. Either way, you win.
$125 service credit per line for each smartphone
$50 service credit per line for other phones
How to get your service credit:
Find the perfect phone. Shop online now.
Transfer your eligible number to Sprint by 4/16/2011. Doing this online is easy – we'll ask you for your number when you checkout.
Within 72 hours of activating your phone and transferring your number from another carrier, register for the credit.
That's it! You can expect to see your service credit as a lump sum within the adjustment section of your invoice. The service credit will show up on the first or second invoice after you have been a Sprint customer for 60 days. It will be labeled as "Valued Customer Service Credit."
Visit this page if you have any questions about the status of your service credit and select “Where’s my credit?” Remember, the credit will not appear on your invoice until at least 60 days after activation.
Requires two-year Agreement.
This offer is available online, via Telesales and in participating Sprint Stores. Purchases from other retailers are not eligible for this credit.
Offer ends 4/16/2011. Available for consumer and individual-liable lines only. Requires port in from an active wireless line and mobile number that comes through the port process. Request for service credit must be made at www.sprint.com/switchoffer within 72 hours from the port in activation date or credit will be declined. New line must remain active with Sprint for 61 days to receive service credit. Smartphones are Blackberry, Android, Windows Mobile, Palm and Instinct Family of devices. All other phones are considered feature phones. Smartphones require activation on an Everything Plan with data with Premium Data add-on charge. Upgrades, replacements, and ports made between Sprint entities or providers associated with Sprint are excluded (i.e. Virgin Mobile USA, Boost Mobile, Common Cents Mobile and Assurance). Offers not available in all markets/retail locations. Other restrictions apply.
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Sooooo $400 for 2 Arrive's, minus $250 - $150 for 2.
Hope this further helps you.
Wow.... That's awesome.... Now I'm going to have to look and see if I can combine the everything plus with the port credit, and double check to make sure we can receive two $100 rebates if we buy two phones. Thanks!
hopmedic said:
Wow.... That's awesome.... Now I'm going to have to look and see if I can combine the everything plus with the port credit, and double check to make sure we can receive two $100 rebates if we buy two phones. Thanks!
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The port credit information was posted on the Everything Plus referral page after you logged in with the email and pin number. And the $100 refund credit is definately per phone regardless of how many you purchase.
The only thing you need to make sure of is that Sprint services your area well.
Hope I was able to help you save some money no matter what you decide, let me know what you finally end up doing. I am picking up 2 Arrives on Sunday (for wife and I).
Credit Union Discounts
For those who go/have gone through wirefly for the 50 dollar deal (which I did), since we can't sign up for the Referral Program, the next best option to still get 10% knocked off your bill is to get a discount through any affiliated credit union (of which, there are TONS). Long-term, for 1 phone, Getting the port credit and Referral discount probably works out better, but I couldn't justify spending 300 up front for the phone, waiting x number of weeks for the rebate etc..
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you can always....swap esns if your willing to get your hands dirty *cough* It works great *cough*
Halabeaster, I've never put a non-standard rom on a phone, but if it's safe, I'm willing to try. For the moment, I'm on Sprint, but not sure I'm happy with the coverage... Got 3 1/2 weeks left or so to decide. I am a developer, but not very experienced. How difficult is it?
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Sprint unlimited really is unlimited, but if you read the fine print they reserve the right to terminate you if you get retarded on it, just like any other carrier. Check with a local Sprint store about the coverage/roaming issue. Most plans on Sprint now include free roaming nationwide, and I can't think of what other major carrier in the US has CDMA other than Verizon.
Don't! sign up for a plan through the store, you need to do it online through the Everythign Plus referral, and get the plan for $10 less than doing it in store. So you can bet a HTC Arrive and pay $59.99+$10 premium data = $69.99 for 500 anytime minutes to landlines, and unlimited any mobile any time, unlimited data, pictures, text, nights starting at 7pm, etc. etc. etc.
You will need a Sprint employee email address/pin. This is where Russ McGuire comes into play, he is Vice President of Strategy for Sprint. On his blog he invites everyone for the sprint offer.
(under about on the right hand side he has his email address and pin for everyone to use freely/Legitimately)
Addendum: their fine print says they can terminate/stop service if you use too much data outside their network etc, so the roaming thing would apply here. Wouldn't hurt to check out if their coverage has improved in your area.
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Question, can you jump on this if you're an existing customer?
I just got my HTC Arrive on the Verizon Wireless network via Page Plus Cellular thanks to this post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=13205205&postcount=9
I replaced my well used Touch Pro 2 with an Arrive because I was waiting for Windows Phone 7 and Netflix capabilty. I'm not a heavy phone data user because I have Wi-Fi everywhere I go.
So far I was able to get the talk and text working for my unlimited plan but haven't hammered out the rest of the data settings. Might have to wait for a Verizon Trophy to come out so that I can try to mirror the settings. This method is technically on Verizon so 95% of the service is the same at a much better price. I need mainly lots and lots of Talk/Text with NO data plan fees.
I actually bought my 2 phones from Amazon Wireless. Both were upgrades for non-primary lines on a family plan (Everything Data 3000) and AW had the best deal on the devices I could find anywhere, $150. The deal got even better now though, $99 for upgraders and free for new users.
dtrush said:
I just got my HTC Arrive on the Verizon Wireless network via Page Plus Cellular thanks to this post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=13205205&postcount=9
I replaced my well used Touch Pro 2 with an Arrive because I was waiting for Windows Phone 7 and Netflix capabilty. I'm not a heavy phone data user because I have Wi-Fi everywhere I go.
So far I was able to get the talk and text working for my unlimited plan but haven't hammered out the rest of the data settings. Might have to wait for a Verizon Trophy to come out so that I can try to mirror the settings. This method is technically on Verizon so 95% of the service is the same at a much better price. I need mainly lots and lots of Talk/Text with NO data plan fees.
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What does or does not work? Do apps go to your bill?
No one else has made progress with the Arrive on Verizon. I was looking for a replacement for my TP2, and I really do not want to change carriers.
Anyone see a way to get a Thunderbolt when I have 9 months to go on my current contract? I realize I could pay full price but not looking to do so. Thanks for any suggestions. My current phone is an amoled incredible.
Add a line? $10. a month.
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Add a line? $10. a month.
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if you added a line and got the contract pricing wouldn't you also have to sign up for a data plan, which then cannot be removed without breaking the contract and incurring ETFs. then it'd be $10 + $29.99/month......seems buying retail would be better/equivalent to that.
ebay is always an option, but since it's so new it would be quite difficult to get anything much less than retail cost.
i don't know much about it but i've seen mention of early upgrade fees on verizon, maybe you could talk to verizon employees and see if you have any options there. i haven't had much luck with them but people have posted about experiences with verizon people where they are really accommodating and friendly.
sitrucz said:
Anyone see a way to get a Thunderbolt when I have 9 months to go on my current contract? I realize I could pay full price but not looking to do so. Thanks for any suggestions. My current phone is an amoled incredible.
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Back when I got my Droid 1, I was only 12 months into my 2 year contract. VZW let me do an early upgrade but did charge me a $20.00 fee. I recomend you calling *611 from your phone.
good luck !!!
Verizon did the same with me for my tbolt. I was 13 months into contract, they let me upgrade for 2 year contract price + 25.00$
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Buy retail or try to get an early upgrade...
it is actually really annoying. everyone always wants the latest phones and cannot wait to get them... and then they scramble to find the best way to get them when they still have "x" months left in their contract (x usually being greater than 6, closer to 12).
at that point, why not just get a 1 year contract to begin with. pay the extra $70 for your device up front but then have the freedom and flexibility at 10 months to do as you choose (and be able to get a new device without trying to "work the system" and weasel your way out of a contract or find some fishy way to add another line). you will end up spending more if you do not get a 1 yr contract.
I am a firm believer of this!
*EDIT*: and Verizon does not always allow early upgrades for 2 yr contracts, so you cannot rely on that
bmcclure937 said:
Buy retail or try to get an early upgrade...
it is actually really annoying. everyone always wants the latest phones and cannot wait to get them... and then they scramble to find the best way to get them when they still have "x" months left in their contract (x usually being greater than 6, closer to 12).
at that point, why not just get a 1 year contract to begin with. pay the extra $70 for your device up front but then have the freedom and flexibility at 10 months to do as you choose (and be able to get a new device without trying to "work the system" and weasel your way out of a contract or find some fishy way to add another line). you will end up spending more if you do not get a 1 yr contract.
I am a firm believer of this!
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That, I'm never getting another phone at a two-year contract ever again unless the whole market system changes with it, which i dont see happening.
Regardless, if you are stuck in a contract, do the add a line thing, as with that, you can get the new phone on a new line, then switch it over to a crappy cheap phone that doesn't need a data plan, and disable everything on it, so you're only paying the $10 a month for an extra line.
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Regardless, if you are stuck in a contract, do the add a line thing, as with that, you can get the new phone on a new line, then switch it over to a crappy cheap phone that doesn't need a data plan, and disable everything on it, so you're only paying the $10 a month for an extra line.
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maybe i'm not well-versed on verizon's contract terms. are you all sure that the contract doesn't forbid cancelling the data plan? i was basing my knowledge on an experience with at&t more than two years ago, haha. at that time i did the secondary line upgrade to get a new blackberry and at&t's terms were that in order to get an upgrade price it is required to sign up for a data package. the loophole there for me was that the data plan could be cancelled after two months at no cost at all. later on a friend who tried to do the same thing as me could not because at&t changed their policy and would not allow people to remove data plans after two months without an ETF.
is verizon's policy better and either doesn't require a data plan upon upgrade or allows you to remove it immediately after upgrading? (note: i tried to look up verizon's policy on this by going to the site and pretending to be a new customer but it started to ask for payment and personal info before showing me the terms and conditions. it did require me to sign up for a data plan when purchasing a smartphone though) i'm curious to know what the fine details are.
bkiminfinity said:
if you added a line and got the contract pricing wouldn't you also have to sign up for a data plan, which then cannot be removed without breaking the contract and incurring ETFs. then it'd be $10 + $29.99/month......seems buying retail would be better/equivalent to that.
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make sure you have an older dumbphone to transfer your existing line to. then you can drop data to your heart's content.
i have done this twice now, once for x and once for thunderbolt. $10/mo each.
bkiminfinity said:
maybe i'm not well-versed on verizon's contract terms. are you all sure that the contract doesn't forbid cancelling the data plan? i was basing my knowledge on an experience with at&t more than two years ago, haha. at that time i did the secondary line upgrade to get a new blackberry and at&t's terms were that in order to get an upgrade price it is required to sign up for a data package. the loophole there for me was that the data plan could be cancelled after two months at no cost at all. later on a friend who tried to do the same thing as me could not because at&t changed their policy and would not allow people to remove data plans after two months without an ETF.
is verizon's policy better and either doesn't require a data plan upon upgrade or allows you to remove it immediately after upgrading? (note: i tried to look up verizon's policy on this by going to the site and pretending to be a new customer but it started to ask for payment and personal info before showing me the terms and conditions. it did require me to sign up for a data plan when purchasing a smartphone though) i'm curious to know what the fine details are.
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From the experiences I've had and others who've posted about it, the only restriction AFAIK from verizon is that you need a data plan on the line when you activate the phone on that line, so you'd need to add a data plan on the line when a smartphone is activated for it. However, if the phone isn't a smartphone, i've been able to add and remove the data to the line as needed (I've had an old enV phone where theres been a few times where I've needed the data, so I've just turned on the data plan for the two weeks or so, and never gotten charged outside of that, or fees)
Bodero said:
make sure you have an older dumbphone to transfer your existing line to. then you can drop data to your heart's content.
i have done this twice now, once for x and once for thunderbolt. $10/mo each.
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i have an old blackberry pearl flip, does that count? seeing that it is a blackberry i would think it doesn't......
but a follow-up question i have is that is it worth it paying the extra $10/month? price speculation for tbolt: $319 for 1-year contract, add the $10/month for a year = $120 for a total of $439. retail is $599 so you save $160.....as opposed to paying $319 alone and saving $280. i guess for someone with an upgrade available the method of adding a line and then moving the new phone saves you an upgrade and costs $120 more to get the tbolt. so you are paying an extra $120 above the cost of the phone itself to save your upgrade.
makes more sense for someone with no upgrade option then.
But i didn't think it could be just 10 dollars a month. The phones are required to have their own 29.99 data plan
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Thanks all I'm thinking *611 and see if I'm eligible for that early upgrade and will do the 1 year contract.
Bodero said:
make sure you have an older dumbphone to transfer your existing line to. then you can drop data to your heart's content.
i have done this twice now, once for x and once for thunderbolt. $10/mo each.
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Or call Verizon and tell them you no longer want a phone on that line and they'll put a dummy ESN on it. That's what I did the last time I pulled the add a line and drop it for a discount.
It turns out I'm eligible for the early upgrade on 5/10 of this year which puts me on my incredible for 1 year. My full upgrade is up on 1/10/12. So I guess I'll see what's out there in May. Thanks again.
just keep calling *611 and get someone that is nice. after 4 calls to CS i begged the lady to ask her supervisor to advance my upgrade (from Dec.). I paid the $20.00 fee. good luck.
I found an official document on verizon's FAQs under "Worry Free Guarantee". Easier to get to through google. When I have the link I can post it.
Basically it states that if you are in a two year plan already you will be able to take advantage of one more annual upgrade at discount price or if you so choose wait until your 20th month and get your "New Every Two" credit.
I had to print this sheet and make sure the full url was across the top in order to show it to a verizon rep. He then put a remark under my account stating that I was indeed elgible for an early upgrade. The problem is just with the changes verizon is now implementing.
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I bought my thunderbolt on craigslist for $540. Was a little shady as the guy didn't have the box, but had all the accessories Verizon employee maybe? Just can't imagine how a day old phone is missing the box. Anyway I activated the phone with no issue.
When you guys are paying the $20 or whatever to get the early upgrade, so they just reset your account so that Wirefly/Amazon/etc see you as upgrade eligible, or do you then have to buy the phone from VZW? I'd like to upgrade 4 months early (and have multiple lines to upgrade, so the "new every 2" would only take care of one phone) but I don't want to pay VZW an extra $50/phone if I can avoid it.
They are sadly apparently getting rid of the annual upgrade feature Anyway should you want to go the full retail route I got mine cheapest through VZW at 599.99 vs the 749.99 it seemed to be listed everywhere else. I don't get my annual upgrade which they are still honoring for the time being until July of this year (still can get it should I want to grab another device this summer).
The only reason I could see to upgrade earlier than your annual upgrade date is in the off chance verizon changes the way they do 4G data plans for new 4G phones at that point? Currently they are offering 4G at 3G data prices w/ unlimited data, and they can't suddenly start charging those of us who are on these unlimited plans more or force us to the tiered plan concept... so we'd be grandfathered in sorta like the unlimited data AT&T users are currently. Was the main reason for me jumping the gun and upgrading early at full retail, that and the speeds are amazing.
Hey guys,
I'm on ATT, and I was thinking about picking up an SGS2 soon. I was wondering, since my folks never use their upgrades (in a family account of 4), is it possible to upgrade their line, but never use the new sim card and instead use the phone for myself? Has anyone tried this that could possibly share their experience, and give a quick how-to?
Thanks.
If you go into the att store and just say you want to use their upgrade on your line they will do it no problem. As long as you are the primary account holder.
If you are doing it third party, or online you can upgrade their line with the new phone (activate required data plan if applicable) then put your sim card in the phone. You can deactivate the data plan on the other line whenever you want. You will need to call att to have them change your data from 3G to Faux G, but you will keep the same plan (cost and limit, even unlimited), it you won't get data on the GS II with the "3G" data provision.
I just went through this recently.
P.S. Do yourself a favor and get the original Galaxy S II (i777) instead of the skyrocket ... you'll thank me later.
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I believe number is attached to sim. Just pop your sim in and good to go. Just ask ATT, its not illegal to switch phones
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If you go into the att store and just say you want to use their upgrade on your line they will do it no problem. As long as you are the primary account holder.
If you are doing it third party, or online you can upgrade their line with the new phone (activate required data plan if applicable) then put your sim card in the phone. You can deactivate the data plan on the other line whenever you want. You will need to call att to have them change your data from 3G to Faux G, but you will keep the same plan (cost and limit, even unlimited), it you won't get data on the GS II with the "3G" data provision.
I just went through this recently.
P.S. Do yourself a favor and get the original Galaxy S II (i777) instead of the skyrocket ... you'll thank me later.
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Thanks so much! And I was definitely going for the i777; dev support is flourishing there.
"You will need to call att to have them change your data from 3G to Faux G, but you will keep the same plan (cost and limit, even unlimited), it you won't get data on the GS II with the "3G" data provision."
I'm not sure what you mean here. So when I put MY sim into the SGS 2, I should call att about my line, and have them change whatever you said?
I have an unlimited data plan - I was planning on just taking the newly bought SGS2 to the ATT store and have them transfer my unlimited plan to it. Would this work? What other options do I have to keep my unlimited plan?
Yeah they can do it in store, or call. Just tell them you got a sgs II and the data doesn't work, because it won't. They have to "provision" your line for 4G/HSPA+ data instead of 3G. You can still keep unlimited for $30. It shows up on your bill differently, you will see two pro-rated data plans with different names, but it will still total $30.
It will be easiest in store, as you can verify it works before you leave, but the phone reps can do it too.
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Just tell them you want to cross-upgrade. They will set it all up for you. If you do it from a retailer (Costco, Bestbuy...), they will set up the upgraded line and then you will call AT&T after to cancel the data plan associated with the upgrade and switch the IMEI to your line - since they need to change the data plan to the 4g variant.
When you put your current sim in the SGSII, network will work but data won't. That's because the data plan on the Captivate isn't compatible with the SGSII. I found that out last week
Careful though as some places like Amazon require you to sign a contract with them as well stating that if you cancel any part of the plan or use the phone on another line, they hit you with early term fees (I think it's just Amazon actually).
Oh yeah, and the SGSII is an awesome phone!
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Just tell them you want to cross-upgrade. They will set it all up for you. If you do it from a retailer (Costco, Bestbuy...), they will set up the upgraded line and then you will call AT&T after to cancel the data plan associated with the upgrade and switch the IMEI to your line - since they need to change the data plan to the 4g variant.
When you put your current sim in the SGSII, network will work but data won't. That's because the data plan on the Captivate isn't compatible with the SGSII. I found that out last week
Careful though as some places like Amazon require you to sign a contract with them as well stating that if you cancel any part of the plan or use the phone on another line, they hit you with early term fees (I think it's just Amazon actually).
Oh yeah, and the SGSII is an awesome phone!
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Yeah I figure Amazon and Wirefly are off limits for this. They require the line to stay with the data plan for 3-6 months, depending on the retailer.
Thanks for your help!
Grea thread ! Some more explanation..please
Ok. I am not fully understanding this great switcheroo.
Wont you still have the other non-SGSII still active and paying for it in the family plan.
Can someone please explain how this goes step-by-step? I mean what if I am not yet eligible for an upgrade, can I just add a SGSII line this way, and turn off the other phone>>>??
Step-by-step.......puhlesaseeeeee!
EDIT: Hmmmmmmmmmm......after re-reading it looks it means you have to be eligible for an upgrade to do this? So since I do not have an upgrade option I am just getting excited for nothing ????
You can add a line for a new phone, such as SGS II, and then use that phone for your line. But, you cannot cancel your existing line until the contract ends, which would be ~3 months after you are eligible for an upgrade. You can cancel the dataplan you are forced to add if you add another line, but you are stuck paying $9.99 + taxes and fees, a month for that line for 24 months. So it adds up costing $250+ over the next 2 years.
You can call and try to talk your way into a early upgrade. If you are nice, and mention considering ending your service they may let you upgrade early for new price plus $30. Several others have said that worked for them. But, it may depend on how close you are to an upgrade. If you got a new phone 6 months ago you may be stuck for a while.
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You can add a line for a new phone, such as SGS II, and then use that phone for your line. But, you cannot cancel your existing line until the contract ends, which would be ~3 months after you are eligible for an upgrade. You can cancel the dataplan you are forced to add if you add another line, but you are stuck paying $9.99 + taxes and fees, a month for that line for 24 months. So it adds up costing $250+ over the next 2 years.
You can call and try to talk your way into a early upgrade. If you are nice, and mention considering ending your service they may let you upgrade early for new price plus $30. Several others have said that worked for them. But, it may depend on how close you are to an upgrade. If you got a new phone 6 months ago you may be stuck for a while.
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Thanks quarlow..........I hit the button !
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Thanks quarlow..........I hit the button !
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YW
I hope you find a way to get your new phone.
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I did this with an iPhone 4S (my upgrade's not up until this spring, the contract outlasted my patience with the Samsuck Craptivate). If you go to a CORPORATE AT&T store, it's no big deal to do. The lady there handled the whole thing for me and I was up and running in no time...
Alright, so I went ahead and got the SGS 2 from Radioshack because they had a 50 dollar deal for Black Friday. I looked at the receipt though, and it says that "If the Device and its wireless service agreement are not continuously in service for 90 days after the original purchase date and the Device is not returned to the Retailer, I agree that the Retailer may charge my credit card an unreturned merchandise fee equal to the Device's Non Activated Price minus the activated price I paid".
I bought it with no sim card for my mom's line. I have the primary line, and I was wondering if it's still okay for my to just insert my sim in the phone to use (would I be charged the above stated fee?). The phone hasn't had any sim card put it in yet at all. Is there any way to get around this? Does anyone have any experience with upgrading like this through Radioshack?
EDIT: Just talked to an ATT rep and he told me that I would not incur any fees/charges for switching equipment, and proceeded to do so for me. I'm still sort of anxious though, don't want to be charged a ridiculous amount for doing this. I saved the chat as a PDF (talked to an online rep) just in case. Anyone want to chime in with an opinion of what I should do?
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Alright, so I went ahead and got the SGS 2 from Radioshack because they had a 50 dollar deal for Black Friday. I looked at the receipt though, and it says that "If the Device and its wireless service agreement are not continuously in service for 90 days after the original purchase date and the Device is not returned to the Retailer, I agree that the Retailer may charge my credit card an unreturned merchandise fee equal to the Device's Non Activated Price minus the activated price I paid".
I bought it with no sim card for my mom's line. I have the primary line, and I was wondering if it's still okay for my to just insert my sim in the phone to use (would I be charged the above stated fee?). The phone hasn't had any sim card put it in yet at all. Is there any way to get around this? Does anyone have any experience with upgrading like this through Radioshack?
EDIT: Just talked to an ATT rep and he told me that I would not incur any fees/charges for switching equipment, and proceeded to do so for me. I'm still sort of anxious though, don't want to be charged a ridiculous amount for doing this. I saved the chat as a PDF (talked to an online rep) just in case. Anyone want to chime in with an opinion of what I should do?
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They are just trying to prevent you from using your upgrade to get a new phone, then immediately terminating the contract and selling the phone. As long as you are actually using it on your plan, you're all good.
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They are just trying to prevent you from using your upgrade to get a new phone, then immediately terminating the contract and selling the phone. As long as you are actually using it on your plan, you're all good.
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Careful, some stores (Amazon) will charge you an early term fee if you move the phone to another line within 6 months.
Does anyone know if you can do the trick of ordering the phone with another lines upgrade and swapping to your line while ordering through Amazon? And still keep unlimited? When I call Verizon they say I can do that, but not sure if the Amazon purchase will work this way.
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Does anyone know if you can do the trick of ordering the phone with another lines upgrade and swapping to your line while ordering through Amazon? And still keep unlimited? When I call Verizon they say I can do that, but not sure if the Amazon purchase will work this way.
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When I bought my GS3 I used an upgrade from another line, which happened to be a basic line. By doing this it added a 2gig data plan to that line. Once the purchase was complete and i left the Verizon store and put my SIM in the new GS3 and reactivated the old basic phone to the line that i took the upgrade from. I then called Verizon and had them remove the 2 gig data plan off the line. I kept my unlimited data, upgraded to a GS3 and the other phone stayed the same.
I did this with the verizon store, im assuming you could do it with amazon as well
Is this sort of what you are trying to do?
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When I bought my GS3 I used an upgrade from another line, which happened to be a basic line. By doing this it added a 2gig data plan to that line. Once the purchase was complete and i left the Verizon store and put my SIM in the new GS3 and reactivated the old basic phone to the line that i took the upgrade from. I then called Verizon and had them remove the 2 gig data plan off the line. I kept my unlimited data, upgraded to a GS3 and the other phone stayed the same.
I did this with the verizon store, im assuming you could do it with amazon as well
Is this sort of what you are trying to do?
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Yes, that's exactly what I am trying to do and Verizon is saying I can do it from them. Not sure if it works through Amazon so I can save $100. And I am irritated with Verizon for making me go through these hoops just to keep unlimited data.
Just called. Guess it's $250 to switch lines through Amazon. &@$&@ Verizon.
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Just called. Guess it's $250 to switch lines through Amazon. &@$&@ Verizon.
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Huh? That dont even sound right
Yup if you buy a phone from Amazon, you have to keep it on that same line for 6 months, or they charge $250.
Amazon doesn't care what you do with the phone as long as the line of service you registered it to stays active.
AmazonWireless Instant Discount Policy
When you purchase your device with service from AmazonWireless.com, we automatically pass along an instant discount based on a commission paid to AmazonWireless by your wireless service carrier. The commission depends upon your continued service, and if you don't maintain your service for 181 days from the service activation date, AmazonWireless must return the commission to the carrier. Thus, this discount has been provided to you in good faith based on your agreement to (a) activate a new or extend an existing line of service for the device(s) with the carrier, (b) maintain this line of service in good standing, and (c) not alter the line of service type other than adding an additional line of service to an individual account for at least 181 consecutive days.
The following are some scenarios where we may determine that you have not maintained your service and have not met the requirements listed above:
If your device with the carrier is not activated per Amazon’s activation instructions within 14 days
If your service is canceled / disconnected before 181 days and you do not return the device(s) to Amazon
If a new individual or new family account is merged with or replaces a pre-existing account
If you transfer this equipment to another carrier's service or to another line in your family account and deactivate the line that Amazon established for your device
By accepting this Instant Discount Policy, you agree to repay $250 per device if you do not maintain your carrier service for 181 consecutive days from the service activation date. You also authorize us to collect that amount using any credit card we have on record for you. Amazon can periodically check your account status with the carrier to confirm your line of service is active and in good standing and thereby confirm you are in compliance with this policy.
The Instant Discount Policy will not be applied if you cancel your order and return the device(s) within our 30-day return period. You must return your device(s) to Amazon within the carrier’s 14-day return period in order to avoid the carrier's Early Termination Fees (ETF). If your purchase was an upgrade, your upgrade eligibility will not be reset unless you return your device to Amazon within the carrier's 14-day return period.
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Let's say you have two smartphone Lines A & B. So buy the phone on Line A. Activate on Line A. Then swap phones. Verizon will get paid the same regardless of what phone is on which line, and Amazon will continue to get their kickback.
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Amazon doesn't care what you do with the phone as long as the line of service you registered it to stays active.
Let's say you have two smartphone Lines A & B. So buy the phone on Line A. Activate on Line A. Then swap phones. Verizon will get paid the same regardless of what phone is on which line, and Amazon will continue to get their kickback.
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Except for where they explicitly state that the phone has to remain on the activated line:
I need a new phone, but my line isn't eligible for an upgrade. Another line in my family account is eligible. Can I get a new phone for my line by using the upgrade of the other line in my family account?
While carriers may offer the option to swap upgrades between different lines on the same family account, this option isn't available through AmazonWireless. Phones purchased from AmazonWireless must remain on the line upgraded for 181 days. If you move the device to an alternate line within the first 181 days, you'd be subject to additional charges by AmazonWireless of up to $250 (per phone), plus applicable taxes.
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Some people say that if you just activate it through Verizon, not Amazon, then they won't notice, and you'll be fine. I'm pretty sure I did this with my Thunderbolt a year ago, but really can't remember the details. Has anyone tried this with the Razr Maxx HD yet?
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Except for where they explicitly state that the phone has to remain on the activated line:
Some people say that if you just activate it through Verizon, not Amazon, then they won't notice, and you'll be fine. I'm pretty sure I did this with my Thunderbolt a year ago, but really can't remember the details. Has anyone tried this with the Razr Maxx HD yet?
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I've activated my Amazon purchased RAZR HD MAXX through VZW. had it for 2 weeks now, no problem.
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Except for where they explicitly state that the phone has to remain on the activated line:
Some people say that if you just activate it through Verizon, not Amazon, then they won't notice, and you'll be fine. I'm pretty sure I did this with my Thunderbolt a year ago, but really can't remember the details. Has anyone tried this with the Razr Maxx HD yet?
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Hmm, their Wireless Policy seems to contradict their FAQ, in my opinion. But damn it, looks like I'll be charged extra!
Except that that's not what their actual agreement says. Their faq contradicts their contract agreement. Fortunately, the contract, and not the faq is what is legally binding:
"If your device with the carrier is not activated per Amazon's activation instructions within 14 days
If your service is canceled/disconnected before 181 days and you do not return the device(s) to Amazon
If a new individual or new family account is merged with or replaces a pre-existing account
If you transfer this equipment to another carrier's service or to another line in your family account and deactivate the line that Amazon established for your device
By accepting this Instant Discount Policy, you agree to repay $400 per smart phone or tablet and $200 per other device if you do not maintain your carrier service for 181 consecutive days from the service activation date. You also authorize us to collect that amount using any credit card we have on record for you. Amazon can periodically check your account status with the carrier to confirm your line of service is active and in good standing and thereby confirm you are in compliance with this policy."
It says you must transfer the phone to another line *and* deactivate the line established by Verizon to incur the etf.
There is a difference between the phone and the line. It is cancelling the line that incurs the fee. I know because that's what I did with my razr HD.
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I also purchased my phone outright from Amazon and just activated it on my current line. I had to use the Verizon website and manually enter my IMEI but other than that the process was painless (other than the severe b%tt pain from paying full price for the phone). Unlimited data rolled right over and the 4G service has been awesome. Rooting the phone was trivial and using the aShell/aSQLLiteManager hack to remove the entitlement check allows me to use tethering over 4G with the native tethering app...sweet
The leaked offer became official. Here is the article. I read that people who pre-ordered, still can go for it.
https://newsroom.t-mobile.com/news/gs7-launch.htm
How does this offer work?
Buy a Samsung Galaxy S7/Galaxy S7 edge from a participating T-Mobile location and get a second Samsung Galaxy S7/Galaxy S7 edge of equal or lesser value free (up to a $779 value) via rebate on a Prepaid MasterCard® card. Existing customers must also add a line to your account, one of your two new Galaxy S7s must be on this new line. OAC. For well qualified customers.
Who is eligible for this ’Buy One, Get One Free’ offer? What are the requirements at the time of purchase?
New and existing customers are eligible. During the promotion period you must:
Purchase 2 eligible devices on Equipment Installment Plan (EIP) on a single account; credit check required.
New customers must open a new account and existing customers must add a line to existing account
One of the 2 Galaxy S7/Galaxy S7 edge devices must be on this new line of service
Pay all taxes and applicable down payments at time of purchase
Keep your account in good standing, including paying the monthly EIP balance for both phones
If you cancel wireless service, remaining EIP balance on phone becomes due
Not available in CT, RI or Miami/Dade county
How do I redeem the ‘Buy One, Get One’ (BOGO) offer?
Submit your rebate redemption at www.t-mobile.com/promotions. You will need the following information to complete the rebate submission:
T-Mobile phone number
Promotion Code (GS7BOGO)
Your T-Mobile account PIN (default is the last 4 digits of your SSN)
Then, within 30 days of the purchase of your second phone, submit your rebate redemption at www.t-mobile.com/promotions. You will receive your rebate as a Prepaid MasterCard® card in the mail within 8 weeks of this submission.
Where is this offer available?
This offer will be available at all participating T-Mobile branded retail locations, Customer Care, TeleSales and online at www.t-mobile.com. Not available in CT, RI or Miami/Dade county.
What if I’m in CT, RI or Miami/Dade, do I get anything?
Yes. If you buy two qualifying devices on an Equipment Installment Plan and add a qualifying line of service, we give you up to $779 back w/ Prepaid MasterCard® Card. Submit your rebate redemption at www.t-mobile.com/promotions. You will need the following information to complete the rebate submission:
T-Mobile phone number
Promotion Code (GS7BOGO)
Your T-Mobile account PIN (default is the last 4 digits of your SSN)
When does this offer end?
The ‘Buy One, Get One’ promotion is a limited time offer, so get it while you can!
Do I have to trade-in my current device?
No trade in is required to participate in this offer.
Does it require me to bring over my number form my current carrier?
If you want to keep your existing number you can but at this time it is not required.
What plans qualify?
Any Simple Choice postpaid rate plan qualifies.
What devices are eligible?
The Samsung Galaxy S7 and Samsung Galaxy S7 edge are both eligible for the ‘Buy One, Get One’ offer.
Is there a limit to the number of devices I can purchase?
Customers can get up to 2 free Samsung Galaxy phones per account.
Do T-Mobile @work customers qualify?
Yes. @work customers are also able to get up to 2 free Galaxy S7/Galaxy S7 edge phones per account.
Will T-Mobile cover my switching costs if I take advantage of this ‘Buy One, Get One Free’ (BOGO) offer?
Absolutely! When you switch to T-Mobile you can get up to $650 or more to cover you costs when you trade-in your device. This offer can be combined with the Galaxy S7/Galaxy S7 edge BOGO.
Can JUMP! On Demand customers take advantage of the offer?
The Galaxy S7/Galaxy S7 edge ‘Buy One, Get One Free’ (BOGO) offer cannot be stacked on top of the JUMP! On Demand early upgrade benefit.
I already bought a Samsung Galaxy S7/Galaxy S7 edge. Can I get one free?
Yes. If you bought the first Galaxy S7/Galaxy S7 edge on an Equipment Installment Plan (EIP), you may also purchase a second Galaxy S7/Galaxy S7 edge on EIP, then add a line for that second device and, if you meet the requirements, you will be eligible for the rebate.
I already got the Galaxy S7/Galaxy S7 edge with JUMP! On Demand. Can I get one free?
An Equipment Installment Plan (EIP) is required for this ‘Buy One, Get One Free’ (BOGO) offer. Customers who who already got their Galaxy S7/Galaxy S7 edge with JUMP! On Demand enjoy many benefits including the most flexibility to upgrade whenever they want at no additional cost. JUMP! On Demand customers looking to purchase with the BOGO offer will need to end their JUMP! On Demand plan and purchase using EIP, and ensure that they still meet all other eligibility criteria.
Why can’t I get one free with JUMP! On Demand?
JUMP! On Demand is a program designed for customers who value flexibility over ownership. Unlike with Equipment Installment Plans, customers who choose JUMP! On Demand get tremendous value in that they are able to upgrade to a new phone whenever they choose. Having both programs allows customers to choose the benefits that best meet their particular needs.
I already got two of Samsung’s new devices (Galaxy S7/Galaxy S7 edge) on an Equipment Installment Plan. How do I get my rebate for one?
Please make sure that you added a line, and meet the requirements. If you do, submit your rebate redemption at www.t-mobile.com/promotions no later than 30 days after the purchase of the second device.
When do I have to complete the rebate by?
You must complete your rebate submission within 30 days of the purchase of your second eligible device.
Is there a way to track my online rebate?
If you want to track your online rebate, please go to www.t-mobile.com/promotions and use the “Promotion Status” link in the upper left hand corner.
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The question is if people who bought the phone in full can just return the phone and get this offer. Because it doesn't make sense to leave a free phone on the table.
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The question is if people who bought the phone in full can just return the phone and get this offer. Because it doesn't make sense to leave a free phone on the table.
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It requires an added line - probably with some tough requirements
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=65746532&postcount=15
Yea the newly added line requires a 24-mo financial agreement.
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Yea the newly added line requires a 24-mo financial agreement.
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That's true a new line is a must. Since my wife doesn't care about her number, we got her a new line and will cancel her old one. I called and confirmed this and the new phone is on the way.
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The leaked offer became official. Here is the article. I read that people who pre-ordered, still can go for it.
https://newsroom.t-mobile.com/news/gs7-launch.htm
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This should be added to the top:
http://www.t-mobile.com/offer/galaxy-s7-faq.html
Just got the BOGO offer. Dialed 611, told them I wanted to add a line. From there, once I was connected with Sales, I told them I preordered a S7 Edge (I already have it, but I didn't mention that--even though it's pretty obvious since I'm a new customer and wouldn't be able to dial 611 from my old phone lol) and wanted to preorder another one so that I can do the BOGO offer. CSR didn't know about the offer yet, so he asked supervisor. As long as you order it before your order is completed (so before launch I'm guessing?), you are eligible for the BOGO. Paid about $460, have my order already being processed and almost ready to ship.
Once you get it you have to apply for the rebate I guess and you get the card with all the money for the device on it... Still charged monthly for it.. Only thing I wish is that device is just waived from bill. I guess you can still do that by using the card to directly pay off the EIP though..
TLDR; everyone here that has the phone or preorder it can still take advantage of this offer.
Great deal, came at a time where I was actually going to buy another phone for my boyfriend anyways, so I'm pretty stoked I got it for free lol.
Edit: The promocode doesn't work yet. But you have 30 days to submit the offer anyways.
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Just got the BOGO offer. Dialed 611, told them I wanted to add a line. From there, once I was connected with Sales, I told them I preordered a S7 Edge (I already have it, but I didn't mention that--even though it's pretty obvious since I'm a new customer and wouldn't be able to dial 611 from my old phone lol) and wanted to preorder another one so that I can do the BOGO offer. CSR didn't know about the offer yet, so he asked supervisor. As long as you order it before your order is completed (so before launch I'm guessing?), you are eligible for the BOGO. Paid about $460, have my order already being processed and almost ready to ship.
Once you get it you have to apply for the rebate I guess and you get the card with all the money for the device on it... Still charged monthly for it.. Only thing I wish is that device is just waived from bill. I guess you can still do that by using the card to directly pay off the EIP though..
TLDR; everyone here that has the phone or preorder it can still take advantage of this offer.
Great deal, came at a time where I was actually going to buy another phone for my boyfriend anyways, so I'm pretty stoked I got it for free lol.
Edit: The promocode doesn't work yet. But you have 30 days to submit the offer anyways.
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Did the same thing and they didn't even care if I had the S7 Edge already and I told them that I would cancel my other line and they said as long as you add a line that's all they care about. So there ya go.
Wonder if i can do this and still get the VR headset and netflix.
As long as you regester device before the end date for that. This doesn't affect the pre-order bonus.
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http://www.t-mobile.com/offer/galaxy-s7-faq.html
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Cool. will do
Thinking about getting my brother a phone to replace his LG G3 with this. Anyone see a reason the below scenario won't work?
I was going to pickup an S7 tomorrow in store and add a new line in order to get the BOGO from my S7 Edge. After activating it, take the SIM out and put his in it. Although we'll initially have to pay $10 + EIP for the S7, once the reimbursement card comes in the mail, I'd pay off the EIP and the phone would be owned outright. I'd then cancel the new line and get the $10 off my account. The only hitch I see is that cancelling the line makes the full balance due on the phone, but it would be paid off in full, so that wouldn't affect anything.
Am I missing anything obvious?
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Thinking about getting my brother a phone to replace his LG G3 with this. Anyone see a reason the below scenario won't work?
I was going to pickup an S7 tomorrow in store and add a new line in order to get the BOGO from my S7 Edge. After activating it, take the SIM out and put his in it. Although we'll initially have to pay $10 + EIP for the S7, once the reimbursement card comes in the mail, I'd pay off the EIP and the phone would be owned outright. I'd then cancel the new line and get the $10 off my account. The only hitch I see is that cancelling the line makes the full balance due on the phone, but it would be paid off in full, so that wouldn't affect anything.
Am I missing anything obvious?
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Double check but i think someone said you have to keep the line for 24months.
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Thinking about getting my brother a phone to replace his LG G3 with this. Anyone see a reason the below scenario won't work?
I was going to pickup an S7 tomorrow in store and add a new line in order to get the BOGO from my S7 Edge. After activating it, take the SIM out and put his in it. Although we'll initially have to pay $10 + EIP for the S7, once the reimbursement card comes in the mail, I'd pay off the EIP and the phone would be owned outright. I'd then cancel the new line and get the $10 off my account. The only hitch I see is that cancelling the line makes the full balance due on the phone, but it would be paid off in full, so that wouldn't affect anything.
Am I missing anything obvious?
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I think you'd have to keep the line, and you're correct about the full balance when cancelling the line. Also keep in mind, that this wipes out the Jump on Demand if you're on it. The guy at the store told me that they're trying to get rid of the JOD anyways. So, technically you'd have to keep the phone for 24 months.
Man I bought mine outright... I am dissapointed right now. Now I have to jump through hoops just to get one free... I hope they can make exceptions for people.
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Double check but i think someone said you have to keep the line for 24months.
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The fine print I read does mention the full balance coming due if cancelled, but that would be $0 if paid off using the card. Unless it's like a cable TV agreement when you receive the $400 card and is essentially a 2 year agreement to keep the device active.
Tidbits said:
Man I bought mine outright... I am dissapointed right now. Now I have to jump through hoops just to get one free... I hope they can make exceptions for people.
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Worst case, return the phone and immediately re-buy it on EIP. Wait a week and pay off the balance.
jump through hoops. such a pain and i gave to do it and wait a few weeks potentially
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I think you'd have to keep the line, and you're correct about the full balance when cancelling the line. Also keep in mind, that this wipes out the Jump on Demand if you're on it. The guy at the store told me that they're trying to get rid of the JOD anyways. So, technically you'd have to keep the phone for 24 months.
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T-Mobile doesn't technically do 24 month contracts anymore. As long as you pay off your EIP for the phone, you are good to close the line. I would keep the line open for 2-3 months to be safe so the rebate can be fully processed.