[Q] Zune HD interface VS WP7 - Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Who believes that the Zune HD's interface is MUCH more polished than that of WP7? I mean it looks even more original and sexier in majority of places...

I do, Zune HD interface is obviously much much muich better then WP7, only a moron wud say no.

xyhchina said:
I do, Zune HD interface is obviously much much muich better then WP7, only a moron wud say no.
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great that someone agrees! I thought i was the weird one lol

100% agree, i love the pinned, new and history stuff on the left, and i love going back by touching the upper side of a screen (only wave app has something similar )

UI and UX are two different things. The UI of WP7 and ZuneHD are similar. WP7 is to ZuneHD what iPhone is to iPod Touch. The ZuneHD UI is mostly replicated in the Music & Videos Hub (like "iPod" on iPhone). I tend to think Metro is Godly for Media Player-type applications, but terrible for general end-user applications.
The panning isn't the issue, it's the user controls that are a problem for me, and the lack of Chrome and in many cases visual feedback when working with UI elements (i.e. Tapping a link and nothing visual to let you know you actually hit the link in many cases).
For Media Players, Zune > *
For General Applications, I tend to prefer iOS and WebOS to Android to everything else.
I do think they should have tried to replicate the ZuneHD interface 100% in the "ZuneHD Hub," though. They also should have given WP7 equivalent CODEC support.

Zune HD looks great.. Bt imagine placing calls etc on it will b difficult.. I like wp7 jst as it is :-D
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N8ter said:
UI and UX are two different things. The UI of WP7 and ZuneHD are similar. WP7 is to ZuneHD what iPhone is to iPod Touch. The ZuneHD UI is mostly replicated in the Music & Videos Hub (like "iPod" on iPhone). I tend to think Metro is Godly for Media Player-type applications, but terrible for general end-user applications.
The panning isn't the issue, it's the user controls that are a problem for me, and the lack of Chrome and in many cases visual feedback when working with UI elements (i.e. Tapping a link and nothing visual to let you know you actually hit the link in many cases).
For Media Players, Zune > *
For General Applications, I tend to prefer iOS and WebOS to Android to everything else.
I do think they should have tried to replicate the ZuneHD interface 100% in the "ZuneHD Hub," though. They also should have given WP7 equivalent CODEC support.
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interesting feedback which i agree with mostly but it has so much difference that I don't believe it can be called as iTouch of WP7. the differences may be subtle but that icing on the cake makes all the difference.

jay_993 said:
Who believes that the Zune HD's interface is MUCH more polished than that of WP7? I mean it looks even more original and sexier in majority of places...
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I think the Mango update did a lot to fix some of my major gripes inside the Music Hub - overall I prefer the Zune HD interface because it is much cleaner.
I would prefer to see the same time related switch to the artist/song player controls as seen in the Zune HD. The only time it shouldn't default back is when you are in the middle of using a plugged in app. Otherwise the media player controls should be considered the default screen. I want to temporarily look at the History, New, Apps or Zune screens not have it permanently display until I make some sort of switch.
I would also like to see the same screen saver options on WP7 and have it extended to the lock screen.

amlex said:
I think the Mango update did a lot to fix some of my major gripes inside the Music Hub - overall I prefer the Zune HD interface because it is much cleaner.
I would prefer to see the same time related switch to the artist/song player controls as seen in the Zune HD. The only time it shouldn't default back is when you are in the middle of using a plugged in app. Otherwise the media player controls should be considered the default screen. I want to temporarily look at the History, New, Apps or Zune screens not have it permanently display until I make some sort of switch.
I would also like to see the same screen saver options on WP7 and have it extended to the lock screen.
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Interesting feedback!

I sold my Zune HD because it seemed redundant with a Windows Phone but now I'm on the market for a new one as there's no phone with 32GB and the Zune hub isn't as slick as the whole Zune experience on the player.

1. WP7 zune interface needs a better seek feature aka let me drag it dammit. Sometimes I don't have time to hold down the >> button, like while I'm driving.
2. It also needs a queue as next song function. Sync a playlist, but sometimes I want to play a song thats halfway down the list first. I want to be able to hold down the song and give me the option to add as next song after current one is done.
3. Make the buttons bigger. The shuffle icon is so small.
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WP7 zune is good for occasional short listen and day to day use. On long trips, bring along your Zune HD. Good for your phone battery life anyway.

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Remote Controlling Foobar with HTC HD2

Hi. Hope that this is the correct place to post...
I have been playing this weekend with a Foobar plugin that allows web control.
The web interface that this plug-in creates is skin-able, and indeed somewhat predictably there are already a couple of i-phone themes available. I did get them working well with the HTC HD2.
However the graphics quality is not stellar when an i-phone designed interface is scaled up, so I started having a poke at the javascript code for myself... I am no coder by any means, so I have been adapting other peoples work noteably the IxoFith template at the above link...
So far I have a HTC music playeresque theme working, with the odd glitch here and there, I reckon that a talented javascript programmer could do a lot more a lot faster than I can, anyone up for it?
I will continue to fettle this and eventually will post my code at "Justblair's Audio and Electronics Pages" but if you are interested in seeing what damage a ham fisted amateur can do to some competently written code, either comment at my site or contact me through here and I can get it to you..
It is very scrappy at the moment, though functional. I tried to post images, but outside links are a no no for newbies here. Google my site name if you want a taster. Hopefully the mods will lift the restriction soon.
Off-topic, but another way:
GRemote works VERY well with WinAmp, allowing you to browse all your PC files on your HD2, and play or queue files/folders in WinAmp (even tho I hate WinAmp!). You can also launch any file in whatever app you choose, so I can browse all my movies in a very slinky, fast-scrolling manner on my HD2, and whichever one I click starts playing full-screen (e.g. VLC, GomPlayer etc), and a swipe on my phone then gives me Play/Pause, fast-forward, rewind, volume, next file, full-screen/windowed etc.
Just a suggestion if you like finding new ways to play your media
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Off-topic, but another way:
GRemote works VERY well with WinAmp, allowing you to browse all your PC files on your HD2, and play or queue files/folders in WinAmp (even tho I hate WinAmp!). You can also launch any file in whatever app you choose, so I can browse all my movies in a very slinky, fast-scrolling manner on my HD2, and whichever one I click starts playing full-screen (e.g. VLC, GomPlayer etc), and a swipe on my phone then gives me Play/Pause, fast-forward, rewind, volume, next file, full-screen/windowed etc.
Just a suggestion if you like finding new ways to play your media
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That's worth a look I am sure. I have tried the freebie version of G-remote which is of course a little limited. I did have a few crashes when using the free version of G-remote, kinda put me off spending on it.
I also happen to like foobar as it has the plug-ins needed to run it as an "audiophile" source, i.e. wasapi and native flac playback. I used winamp a while back and did not like it. I dare say it has improved since then.

Old Phone as Dedicated MP3 Player

Hello, this has probably been talked about before, but I wanted to let anyone interested know how this is working out. I have been doing extensive research on the purchase of a new MP3 player wanting the main features to have Bluetooth A2DP and audible.com compatible.
I realized these features are far and few between, and the players that have these two features are the size of your average WM Phone. When I finally came to this conclusion, I pulled out my old HTC Diamond and have been able to not only have these features, but by turning off the cell radio, I still have wifi, pmp, mp3, A2DP, web browser, touchscreen, etc etc all in one. Needless to say, I love my Diamond again.
I made my today screen bare with just iLauncher on it and wisbar to take away the phone features on top. Other than the hardware buttons, it looks and feels like a good solid MP3 player. Hope this may let other old phones see the light of day again. Thanks for reading.
I gave my old HTC Wizard to my 19 month old daughter to watch her Dora and Yo Gabba Gabba videos on, she also likes the obscene amount of buttons that phone has. So yea, that phone is pretty much just a media player now.
Then allow me to ask then for advise!
I use MediaMonkey on windows to organize my music. I like the program, it suites my needs.
The problem is on the WM phone itself. Which program do you use to listen to music? I've tried Nitrogen, and iMulator... both of them work as they're supposed to. But i could use more. iMulator need to mature, and be a little more customizable. But for a alpha stage, its quite good!
I could use a program with a good media library, probably fullscreen support, touch friendly.
Any advise ?

[Q] The features you miss in the TF101 (compared to a notebook)

Hello Guys!
I am planning to get one of the Transformers (probably 32G+dock) and sell my notebook (will still have a desktop computer).
Now, I'm on a performance notebook (with piss-poor battery life), but I do not use it - only for web surfing, chat, watching movies, sending stuff & downloading - and maybe some games (1x a month LOL)
So my question is - what are the features you like or MISS in the Transformer compared to a notebook.
Thank you!
1) Proper browser with adblock.
2) Proper audio player (like Amarok/Clementine/Exaile etc.).
3) USB port for attaching keyboard (I don't have the dock).
Better task swapping(alt+tab) or windowed view.
Text selection. Android NEEDS a better text selection desperately.
Other than that it makes a pretty good laptop replacement for simple things. Using remote desktop to a windows machine, greatly improves #1, and moderately improves #2.
Magnesus said:
1) Proper browser with adblock.
2) Proper audio player (like Amarok/Clementine/Exaile etc.).
3) USB port for attaching keyboard (I don't have the dock).
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firefox is available in android, and you can add the adblock plugin.
also a system-wide adblock via apps.
i have no idea what you would qualify as a "proper" audio player. unless you're refering stictly to that list as "proper", the stock player is also a proper player, as well as plently you'd find in the market.
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gottahavit said:
Better task swapping(alt+tab) or windowed view.
Text selection. Android NEEDS a better text selection desperately.
Other than that it makes a pretty good laptop replacement for simple things. Using remote desktop to a windows machine, greatly improves #1, and moderately improves #2.
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Alt+tab works with the keyboard dock.
Windowed view won't happen until there is a significant increase in system resources available to these devices. Everything currently runs in full screen because 1GB of RAM is just barely sufficient for most of the current apps, and Android devices don't use swap, which means apps get flushed out of memory if the system starts running low on RAM. Windowed apps would crash or degrade under the current Android memory management scheme, which was instated because phones and tablets are so starved for resources when compared to traditional desktops and laptops.
Text selection requires a long press because click and drag on a touchscreen handles panning. I'm not sure what else you're expecting from text selection when many apps allow you to modify the size of the selection to your heart's content. Those that don't integrate nicely with Android's built-in text selection are the fault of the developers.
Thank you for the replies.
Well, Just as finalhit said - firefox has a plugin, and AFAIK Dolphin Browser, too. And by the way, Ad-free is not working on these devices? Like on my rooted Desire?
Proper audio player - I saw the transformer in action and the stock player is great, also have purchased PowerAMP for my phone and the developer says, it'll work on HC 3.2, too. Will see.
Carrying on with Text Input ~
Android needs to be able to support Rich Text in Browser Email Apps (e.g. Yahoo) and also Copy/Paste text into an Email.
Copy/Paste works in Gmail but not in say Yahoo Mail.
What I miss most, is that the TF does not have a digital audio output via USB.
A notebook can simply be connected with a DAC by USB and I can listen to MP3s over my Hifi system ...
FrankRr said:
What I miss most, is that the TF does not have a digital audio output via USB.
A notebook can simply be connected with a DAC by USB and I can listen to MP3s over my Hifi system ...
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I'd like that too, I tried plugging my USB SoundBlaster in but nothing happened.
What I miss most is a decent productivity suite, WP & Spreadsheets. I am using the beta of SoftMaker Office & it will do the job when it's released, but at the moment it crashes a lot & isn't mainstream.
Printing isn't that easy either ....
1) Definitely better text selection/manipulation - it works, but it doesn't feel right
2) Right mouse button - yes, it has long press, but it's long press, meaning it's not very fast. Make the right track pad button function the same as long press, and it will feel almost like a notebook.
3) Better file manipulation/transfer speed. Copying and pasting/moving files is a pain and is very very slow. Astro works, but it's nothing compared to the ease of windows/linux.
Android has all the functions I want, a lot of them just don't feel natural, or are cumbersome to use.
I like my TF, but I think it can't replace a notebook, unless we can port windows 7 on it..
mikelt89 said:
I like my TF, but I think it can't replace a notebook, unless we can port windows 7 on it..
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Windows 8 might run on it, as it has arm support and the TF meets the minimum requirements that MS has released so far.
cottinghamm said:
What I miss most is a decent productivity suite, WP & Spreadsheets. I am using the beta of SoftMaker Office & it will do the job when it's released, but at the moment it crashes a lot & isn't mainstream.
Printing isn't that easy either ....
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Documents to Go works well (given the limitations of the input methods, screen size, etc.)
Printign is a major issue. There are paid apps that I hear do printing OK, but they require a server program to run on a computer already connected to the printer. I have yet to find one that works well with a networked printer (either shared through the native Windows functionality or a dedicated print server).
FrankRr said:
What I miss most, is that the TF does not have a digital audio output via USB.
A notebook can simply be connected with a DAC by USB and I can listen to MP3s over my Hifi system ...
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You can indirectly output to a DAC if you use the HDMI port. I have an Asus VH238H monitor that includes a SPDIF out, so I just hook up the Transformer via HDMI and have the monitor output the sound to my DAC.
For printing I use CloudPrint So far it works greatly (home & office) on my Desire - so that won't be a problem.
finalhit said:
firefox is available in android, and you can add the adblock plugin.
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Firefox for Android is very far from a proper browser (in my opinion, proper browser is for example Google Chrome and desktop Firefox) and it's adblock is far from it's desktop counterpart. Maybe the new version will be better. In my opinion actually Firefox is worst browser for Android (the best being Dolphin Pad).
i have no idea what you would qualify as a "proper" audio player. unless you're refering stictly to that list as "proper", the stock player is also a proper player, as well as plently you'd find in the market.
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Try using Amarok, Clementine, Exile or sth similar (or Foobar if you only have Windows, but it's quite bad looking). I tested most the music players in the market and none of them are even comparable. So I resigned from using Tranformer for listening to music and bought USB sound card for my laptop instead (without it the sound quality of my laptop was... well quite horrible ).
Amarok/Clementine/Exile have clear interface with your files or library on the left (you can use both) and a playlist on the right. You can add tracks to the playlist, remove them, shuffle them, star songs, generate playlists based on the stars, select to repeat a track or repeat the whole playlist, filter the library (for example - you type John and you get all John Williams albums listed), the playlist is created by drag and drop etc. Also they play all music formats (flac, mpc included). If you never used a music player like this - try them, they are really good.
Most (all of them?) players in android market are designed for playing one album at a time (no playlist), have interface more suited for phones than tablets and no ability to use folder view (some can but are regenerating the index every time I unmount my samba share - and it takes ages). If I'm wrong - and there is sth like Amarok on the Market - please tell, I'll buy it in a second.
Magnesus said:
Try using Amarok, Clementine, Exile or sth similar (or Foobar if you only have Windows, but it's quite bad looking). I tested most the music players in the market and none of them are even comparable. So I resigned from using Tranformer for listening to music and bought USB sound card for my laptop instead (without it the sound quality of my laptop was... well quite horrible ).
Amarok/Clementine/Exile have clear interface with your files or library on the left (you can use both) and a playlist on the right. You can add tracks to the playlist, remove them, shuffle them, star songs, generate playlists based on the stars, select to repeat a track or repeat the whole playlist, filter the library (for example - you type John and you get all John Williams albums listed), the playlist is created by drag and drop etc. Also they play all music formats (flac, mpc included). If you never used a music player like this - try them, they are really good.
Most (all of them?) players in android market are designed for playing one album at a time (no playlist), have interface more suited for phones than tablets and no ability to use folder view (some can but are regenerating the index every time I unmount my samba share - and it takes ages). If I'm wrong - and there is sth like Amarok on the Market - please tell, I'll buy it in a second.
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Just because the default Music player doesn't show the now playing and playlist views on the same page together doesn't mean you don't have such functionality. Remember what you're dealing with here; it's just a 10.1 inch screen. It doesn't take much to clutter the UI with a lot of menu options, especially when all the UI elements have to be doubled and tripled in size in order to be legible on the tiny screen.
Now, as far as the features of the default Music app, there's plenty to keep most listeners happy. Upon starting the app, in the upper left hand corner you have the ability to sort your music collection by New and recent, Albums, Artists, Songs, Playlists, and Genres. On the right, you can Search through all of your music, refining your results by the previously mentioned sort categories. Once you choose a specific artist, for instance, you can tap once on the "All songs" option to play all of the artist's selected music, or you can just select one album of theirs to play, either of these options taking you to a list of songs added to the queue. Long press will allow you to add the selected songs to the playlist of your choice. Once in the now playing queue, you can sort the songs by name or by album, or shuffle the whole thing. Then once you finally play a song, the now playing screen allows for toggling shuffle and advanced repeat functions just like what you're used to with other applications. The default player also supports mp3, ogg, and flac, and probably some other formats that I haven't tried yet. The only thing missing is the ability to "star" your music, which is a feature I always saw as pointless.
Seriously, why would you even bother with third party music apps at this point?
And what about the microSD slot on the tablet? I'm planning to get a 32GB A-DATA - will it work normally like with my Desire?
rtadams89 said:
Documents to Go works well (given the limitations of the input methods, screen size, etc.)
Printign is a major issue. There are paid apps that I hear do printing OK, but they require a server program to run on a computer already connected to the printer. I have yet to find one that works well with a networked printer (either shared through the native Windows functionality or a dedicated print server).
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printing works well for me, but yes, requires a server at this point -- free app: https://market.android.com/search?q=printershare&so=1&c=apps
I do use it as a laptop replacement. I find that 95% of the time I do not need to go back to my laptop; however, I do miss the ability to have more than one app on the screen at once (chatting and browsing at the same time is annoying). I also miss a full office program. I have tried DTG and polaris, and both work quite well by comparison to other office apps, but are not a replacement for MS Office or Libreoffice.
I also have a server in the basement for media serving running ESXi 4.1. I have 2 VMs on it: File/media server running ubuntu 11.04 and a windows VM for running various other things like video transcoding. I would not want to do either of those functions on an android tablet either.
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What do you guys think about Xbox Music

Well its now official, Zune is on it's way out and to replace it will come the apps store and Xbox music. Check out the link below.
http://www.ingame.msnbc.msn.com/technology/ingame/microsoft-unveils-xbox-music-812356
From what I've seen, it's pretty much the exact same, sure there will be smartglass, but this is just a rebrand.
theres also a web browser coming to xbox (IE10) but I think it requires kinect. Also the whole smart glass thing is similar to apple tv but in a less expensive way if you already have a xbox and a wp device.
concept: youtube.com/watch?v=FaPp3fMq6hY
(sorry it wont allow me to post the full link cause of the 10post thing..)
I hate the fact that they are killing the Zune brand. I hate even more the name "Xbox Music". I agree that they needed to do something to fully integrate Microsoft's music features (I hope the rebrand Bing Music, also). I think in order to keep the brand alive they should have taken out WMP and continued investing and supporting ZUNE.

Surface Music App

My Windows 8 phone supports podcasts in the music app however there is no option for this on the surface.
I thought the windows 8 lineup all supported the same abilities within the built in apps.
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My Windows 8 phone supports podcasts in the music app however there is no option for this on the surface.
I thought the windows 8 lineup all supported the same abilities within the built in apps.
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I'm sure there's an update in the works for the Phone app so that parity can be maintained (I believe that the Phone only supports podcasts in the US - can anyone confirm/contradict that?)
Win8 != WP8. Despite name confusion and MS claims of deeper integration, the two OSes have nothing to do with one another from a functional standpoint. From a technological standpoint, there are some similarities, but there are also many differences. For example, Win8 and Windows RT are unable to run WP7 apps, even though WP8 can.
I was deeply disappointed in the music app overall. Painfully slow, doesn't share to the Xbox or homeshare. Super annoying. Wp7 Zune is the fastest music app I've ever used aside from WMP. Just wish they would update with an overhaul.
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I was deeply disappointed in the music app overall. Painfully slow, doesn't share to the Xbox or homeshare. Super annoying. Wp7 Zune is the fastest music app I've ever used aside from WMP. Just wish they would update with an overhaul.
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I wish they would get rid of all the online options and let me see my music library as the primary view.
guitar1969 said:
I wish they would get rid of all the online options and let me see my music library as the primary view.
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You can a little bit. Go into settings, preferences, startup. You can't change search though.

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