I'm sure most of you have seen this video,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DvsXyeY0HVE#!
Of course this is running on the new Prime which has 1GB ram and a Dual Core processor
But, do you think that ICS will be as fast as Gingerbread was on the Nexus One?
I'm not looking for a definite answer, i'd just like to see your thoughts on the matter.
I fully expect it to run just fine.
It will be faster and smoother with hardware acceleration. Like how the stock launcher is on gingerbread is how the phone should be with ICS
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It will have the same pathetic ammount of RAM, but HW acceleration should theoreticly make it much faster.
Here's another thing id like to add in. I'm thinking that Google may disable the hardware buttons. I noticed that when the screen is off on my Nexus S, you cant even see the outline of the hardware buttons. So if they turned off the hardware lights. It could look like a smaller version of the Prime
There are way too many ICS-ready smartphones I think to not have an ICS version that uses hardware buttons. ICS will run flawless on the Nexus S, even better if hardware buttons are disbled I'd say.
I say yes..... At least hope so. My question is.... will ICS be hardware accelerated? has this been confirmed?
Yes it has been confirmed.
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Then honestly, I don't see a reason for ICS to not be smooth as long as long as it's hardware accelerated. If it can match the smoothness of the iPhone 4 then it would be pure epicness.
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I fully expect ICS to boost the value of the Nexus S on the used market. Then we sell it and get the Prime!
This was kinda my master plan when I came from the Captivate. Nexus will always have better value.
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Here's another thing id like to add in. I'm thinking that Google may disable the hardware buttons. I noticed that when the screen is off on my Nexus S, you cant even see the outline of the hardware buttons. So if they turned off the hardware lights. It could look like a smaller version of the Prime
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There would be benefit to disabling the buttons that are already there. It would just waste screen space, that unlike the Prime, we don't have to spare.
It should be fine since its hardware accelerated!!
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There would be benefit to disabling the buttons that are already there. It would just waste screen space, that unlike the Prime, we don't have to spare.
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if ics has screen buttons to use then to me, there would be no point in theory for the buttons. yea you can keep them and have them running. but i'd much rather have them disabled and have a slicker / nice view of ics running on my phone.
to me its kinda like the same concept of people that use clock widgets when there is the time in the notification panel. disable one, no need for both to be running. ya know
Is hardware acceleration essentially guaranteed to be in ICS?
I thought I read something somewhere that it was possible that some "important" features were going to be pushed back to Jelly Bean. Just hoping hw acceleration isn't one of them if true.
mattkroeder said:
Is hardware acceleration essentially guaranteed to be in ICS?
I thought I read something somewhere that it was possible that some "important" features were going to be pushed back to Jelly Bean. Just hoping hw acceleration isn't one of them if true.
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I thought the same thing... I heard that from somewhere too. Is it really that difficult to make Android fully hardware accelerated? I know vanilla android is smooth but not as smooth as IOS.
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if ics has screen buttons to use then to me, there would be no point in theory for the buttons. yea you can keep them and have them running. but i'd much rather have them disabled and have a slicker / nice view of ics running on my phone.
to me its kinda like the same concept of people that use clock widgets when there is the time in the notification panel. disable one, no need for both to be running. ya know
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Well yeah, my assumption is that if the phone has hardware buttons that the software ones will be disabled. The point is that while it's dumb to have both, there's no reason to waste screen space on software buttons when there are perfectly good hardware ones. Thus, if it's a choice between disabling the hardware ones or the software ones, the sensible thing to do is disable the software ones. I would be very surprised if Google engineers it any differently.
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Well yeah, my assumption is that if the phone has hardware buttons that the software ones will be disabled. The point is that while it's dumb to have both, there's no reason to waste screen space on software buttons when there are perfectly good hardware ones. Thus, if it's a choice between disabling the hardware ones or the software ones, the sensible thing to do is disable the software ones. I would be very surprised if Google engineers it any differently.
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Bingo! Exactly what I'm talking about.
The buttons seem like they took up roughly 1/3 inch from the Prime's screen in all the videos I've seen. With a 4.65" screen that's no big deal but with a 4" that's a pretty significant amount of wasted space, especially when there are perfectly functional buttons on the phone.
zorak950 said:
Well yeah, my assumption is that if the phone has hardware buttons that the software ones will be disabled. The point is that while it's dumb to have both, there's no reason to waste screen space on software buttons when there are perfectly good hardware ones. Thus, if it's a choice between disabling the hardware ones or the software ones, the sensible thing to do is disable the software ones. I would be very surprised if Google engineers it any differently.
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yea that is true. i didn't really think it all the way through
Hw acceleration is what I want. One thing about android that fails against the iPhone (for general reasons obviously) is the uneven experience across full use of the phone. Like launcher pro is buttery smooth. But scrolling down the menus in voodoo control is choppy and uncomfortable. Hopefully ics will fix this.
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Here's a true question... =_= besides the Prime, Which Version Of Nexus S Will Receive the ICS Update First .... <_< ill be super pissed if sprints receives it first
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Related
YouTube - Google I/O 2011: Accelerated Android Rendering
At the beginning of this video, they basically state that because "Dual core and quad core devices are coming out" that there will be no FULL hardware acceleration in Android...ever...
In a nutshell, they're saying the general public will buy a phone because "IT HAS 5 CORES!" or w/e and not know the difference between GPU and CPU usage. I find this amazing that Android phones, often associated with lag on even dual core phones, still find this a low priority when they are trying to compete with Apple (and potentially Windows Phone 7 someday).
I played with a Motorola Xoom yesterday in the Sprint store (to see what hardware acceleration would POSSIBLY be like in ICS and further beyond). The animations were smooth, but there was STILL some lag (I suppose this is because of larger screen and more pixels needing to drawn.....but why does the iPad and iPad 2 use hardware acceleration so much better with large screens....?) I know in 3.1 they say they're supposed to better support hardware acceleration, so maybe the demo unit I tested still had 3.0....
For the first time, I've actually been considering dropping Android and moving onto Windows Phone 7 in the future. I was really looking forward to the future of Android, but it looks like Google really is only a cash cow looking to cash in on consumers' lack of knowledge on this issue...
EDIT: I know that it has been said that Android will be hardware accelerated, but I guess I was posting to get an understanding on WHY Romain Guy said this....it's conflicting to what has been stated and confusing....
Why don't you consider this for one second. Open the app drawer in Android...thats the whole iOS basically. Does not take much power to run that smooth.
Then consider that the App Drawer is only one part of a huge OS with widgets running and multiple panels and its easy to understand why it takes a bit more power to run this OS.
As for lag, zero with my Nexus S everything is lightning fast. My captivate, x10, and Arc had lag yes, but not my Nexus S.
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Why don't you consider this for one second. Open the app drawer in Android...thats the whole iOS basically. Does not take much power to run that smooth.
Then consider that the App Drawer is only one part of a huge OS with widgets running and multiple panels and its easy to understand why it takes a bit more power to run this OS.
As for lag, zero with my Nexus S everything is lightning fast. My captivate, x10, and Arc had lag yes, but not my Nexus S.
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This is a ridiculous statement. Use iOS for a couple of days and then say that. It's a lot smoother doing everything, especially scrolling.
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Why don't you consider this for one second. Open the app drawer in Android...thats the whole iOS basically. Does not take much power to run that smooth.
Then consider that the App Drawer is only one part of a huge OS with widgets running and multiple panels and its easy to understand why it takes a bit more power to run this OS.
As for lag, zero with my Nexus S everything is lightning fast. My captivate, x10, and Arc had lag yes, but not my Nexus S.
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I've actually been playing with my Nexus S a little more and try to push it to see if there is lag, and I agree wholeheartedly....if the speed only improves from here then I'm a happy camper I guess. I think this is due to the fact that there are some parts of hardware acceleration present in Gingerbread currently. If they enable "more hardware acceleration" then I guess it will be much smoother (which there already is virtually zero lag to this phone). I played with other phones in Sprint yesterday, and even comparing the Nexus to the Xoom, the Nexus was faster (albeit, smaller screen means faster drawing and smoother....). I used to have the Epic and that lagged also quite a bit as well (thanks Touchwiz).
You do make an interesting point that I never thought about when comparing iOS to Android with the app drawer example (thanks for that). I hate iOS, and Apple (although the iPhone 4 device itself is dead sexy). Lol...I'm actually kind of disappointed in myself for comparing the smoothness I guess and falling for the Apple "trap".
If you listen a little further, they start talking about tablets and how in Android 3.0 all the basic drawing is now hardware accelerated, and needs to be because they are trying to push so many more pixels through the same pipeline.
They then talk about GPUI - GPU-accelerated UI. That's the core of what they're moving forward with.
Long story short, Honeycomb has HW acceleration in the basic UI. ICS will have that too.
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This is a ridiculous statement. Use iOS for a couple of days and then say that. It's a lot smoother doing everything, especially scrolling.
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THIS.....At the event, they said that apps can be hardware accelerated. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but this will bring the true "iOS" like experience to opening apps, and once the app is open it will be smooth like iOS from there (if the line of code is added by the developer(s)).
The scrolling IS smooth on Android, but not iOS smooth. For example (using a static wallpaper) scroll and notice it is smooth. However, add a YouTube widget to the screen and then click the search icon.....on my Nexus it will lag for a second or two (like it's thinking about it) and then present me with the window transition to the search bar screen. THAT, to me, suggests CPU "thinking" and NOT GPU "thinking". I guess I just notice a lot of elements that can sometimes tax (an extremely light tax thanks to EXT4, but a tax) on the CPU sometimes when it comes to animations and window transitions.
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This is a ridiculous statement. Use iOS for a couple of days and then say that. It's a lot smoother doing everything, especially scrolling.
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No its not and though I didn't start with the original iphone or iphone 3g, I have a iphone 3GS, iphone 4, and an ipad. Statement holds bud.
I like to switch around, I also have a black berry, but Android is superior in every way...though I do not own a windows phone 7 device as of yet.
I love how you say my entire statement is ridiculous and bring up scrolling...did I mention scrolling? NO...did that have anything to do with what I posted? NO...
Common sense, level it up.
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If you listen a little further, they start talking about tablets and how in Android 3.0 all the basic drawing is now hardware accelerated, and needs to be because they are trying to push so many more pixels through the same pipeline.
They then talk about GPUI - GPU-accelerated UI. That's the core of what they're moving forward with.
Long story short, Honeycomb has HW acceleration in the basic UI. ICS will have that too.
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Thanks. I noticed this, and this was what led to my confusion. They say they're moving forward HW acceleration, but why then are there so many contradictory statements such as "there are these limitations to it....etc...." or other statements that basically say "yea...it's coming....but it's not gonna be what you expect it to be.....".
I'm at work, so I can really watch it again to come up with specific quotes, but if you listen there are some in there IMO...
Does a little bit of lag really bother people this much? I've used an iPhone 4 and still prefer android any day of the week. My Nexus S is the best phone I've ever used.
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Zardos66 said:
Does a little bit of lag really bother people this much? I've used an iPhone 4 and still prefer android any day of the week. My Nexus S is the best phone I've ever used.
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It bothers me, yeah. I find it very frustrating.
I think the lag has been slowly bugging me more and more....i seem to still get scrolling lag and some lag opening the app drawer in cm7 regardless of what I do.... That kind of lag is the first thing people notice... It should be one of the highest priorities for the future
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Android 3.0 hardware acceleration, see here:
http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2011/03/android-30-hardware-acceleration.html
ICS is the next evolution (revolution?) from 3.0, so expect the same there.
If ICS will be used in the phone, it would have the same hardware acceleration as well.
So, be happy and wait for the Nexus Prime !
gunstar3035 said:
Your really coming off as a little troll ****. If you love apple so much stick with that and GTFO, thanks.
You come into this topic, posting that iOS is anything more than a giant menu (which by the way it is just an app menu and nothing more) and now your *****ing because you get frustrated by the nonexistant lag in the Nexus S...if that frustrates you I'd hate to see how you cope with a real issue.
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Booooo to you sir, for being a flamer. He posted a reasonable question about a legitimate issue.
There IS lag in Android UI. I see it all the time. The main time I notice is the application opening/closing transition animations. Sometimes they literally render at about 2 to 4 frames per second.
Also there is major lag in Honeycomb on Tegra 2 tablets, but it is because of Tegra 2 bug in portrait mode. It is smooth in landscape but very laggy in portrait.
Holy crap, someone has issues
jonnythan said:
Holy crap, someone has issues
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Lol. I think his parents never loved him.
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malikadnanm said:
Lol. I think his parents never loved him.
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Love is for the weak.
gunstar3035 said:
Love is for the weak.
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The surest sign of strength is calling someone names on an internet message board for speaking about weaknesses of a mobile operating system.
gunstar3035 said:
I'll let you know when I give a ****.
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I lol'd...
They better add gpu support...
gunstar3035 said:
Love is for the weak.
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Lol
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I lol'd...
They better add gpu support...
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No GPU support! It's perfectly 100% smooth as it is!
iOS is smoother because it's just an app drawer! iOS is incapable of the incredible things we do on Android.
I mean, iOS isn't smoother, AND it's just an app drawer! Wait, what am I saying?
I've always wondered why the iphone is smooth compared to android, and after a little research I found it's because of one thing: hardware acceleration.
My only question is what is this and why doesn't android have it?
brian85 said:
I've always wondered why the iphone is smooth compared to android, and after a little research I found it's because of one thing: hardware acceleration.
My only question is what is this and why doesn't android have it?
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This has been asked and answered a zillion times before.Rumor has it that Icecream sandwich is supposed to bring HW acceleration to android.I hope it's true as this is the one thing that makes android feels/seems unrefind.
NYCguy2020 said:
This has been asked and answered a zillion times before.Rumor has it that Icecream sandwich is supposed to bring HW acceleration to android.I hope it's true as this is the one thing that makes android feels/seems unrefind.
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People have said that Android 2.3.5 enables it. Anyone know if this is true?
Hardware acceleration depends on the actual hardware.
iPhone's are all the same hardware so it is pretty easy to implement hardware acceleration for all of them.
The story is different with Android though, because all Android devices use different hardware.
In the end, it depends on the manufacturer to allow hardware acceleration.
boodee0110 said:
Hardware acceleration depends on the actual hardware.
iPhone's are all the same hardware so it is pretty easy to implement hardware acceleration for all of them.
The story is different with Android though, because all Android devices use different hardware.
In the end, it depends on the manufacturer to allow hardware acceleration.
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Not only that - but I read an article where they state that when Android was being developed - they weren't going to require a dedicated GPU for it to work which is why hardware acceleration isn't native or something like that.
What are you guys talking about hardware acceleration is on Android
debug.af.hw=1
Put that in your build.prop and it enables hardware acceleration
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You can switch to a different launcher or a non-Sense ROM or a ROM like InsertCoin and the UI will definitely be noticeably faster. Take InsertCoin for example. The UI performance is really great and easily outshines an iPhone 4.
boodee0110 said:
Hardware acceleration depends on the actual hardware.
iPhone's are all the same hardware so it is pretty easy to implement hardware acceleration for all of them.
The story is different with Android though, because all Android devices use different hardware.
In the end, it depends on the manufacturer to allow hardware acceleration.
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That's true, so why doesn't HTC enable hardware acceleration on their Sense powered Android sets, like the Sensation?
Samsung did so on the international Galaxy S, you can see YouTube vids of how incredibly smooth the phone was with that update.
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What are you guys talking about hardware acceleration is on Android
debug.af.hw=1
Put that in your build.prop and it enables hardware acceleration
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Guess I was mistaken. Odd that HTC wouldn't enable it.
dsexton702 said:
What are you guys talking about hardware acceleration is on Android
debug.af.hw=1
Put that in your build.prop and it enables hardware acceleration
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Correct me if I am wrong but isn't it debug.sf.hw=1 not debug.af.hw=1
No,don't replay from google developer forum
pakraider said:
That's true, so why doesn't HTC enable hardware acceleration on their Sense powered Android sets, like the Sensation?
Samsung did so on the international Galaxy S, you can see YouTube vids of how incredibly smooth the phone was with that update.
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Samsung only integrated hardware acceleration into its web browser. Not the entire UI. Samsung is the new HTC. They are the ones who are innovating now with a hardware accelerated browser, the most powerful mobile chips in the biz, the best mobile memory in the biz, the prettiest displays in the biz (releasing the Super AMOLED HD 720p display next month) and every itteration they make their UI less intrusive. Samsung is definitely taking Android to the next level and leaving everyone else behind. They are listening to their customers and delivering. Along with keeping the bootloaders unlocked and giving phones to popular DEVS so they can start devolopement for them, they are also listening to the people about the plastic they use in their phones. Case and point. Look at T-Mobile's GSII which has the brushed metal cover.
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Samsung only integrated hardware acceleration into its web browser. Not the entire UI. Samsung is the new HTC. They are the ones who are innovating now with a hardware accelerated browser, the most powerful mobile chips in the biz, the best mobile memory in the biz, the prettiest displays in the biz (releasing the Super AMOLED HD 720p display next month) and every itteration they make their UI less intrusive. Samsung is definitely taking Android to the next level and leaving everyone else behind. They are listening to their customers and delivering. Along with keeping the bootloaders unlocked and giving phones to popular DEVS so they can start devolopement for them, they are also listening to the people about the plastic they use in their phones. Case and point. Look at T-Mobile's GSII which has the brushed metal cover.
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Too bad their devices still feel like cheap plastic. Maybe they should borrow a page from HTC on that one.
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I would never buy a Samsung again. I don't care what "improvements" they are making. I've had bad experiences with their devices in the past.
Plus, I hate hate hate their super amoled plus screens. I just hate how they look. Reminds me of hdtvs on display at best buy where they crank up all the settings. Then when I buy one I take it home and calibrate to make it look how it should.
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What are you guys talking about hardware acceleration is on Android
debug.af.hw=1
Put that in your build.prop and it enables hardware acceleration
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It doesn't really though does it.
It's the same amount of lag even with it on. You want true hw accel look at the SGS2.
It's all to do with the drivers.
None of you still answered his question. Instead of wasting time mention that it's been answer a zillion time just say what it is. PHHUCK!
barondebxl said:
None of you still answered his question. Instead of wasting time mention that it's been answer a zillion time just say what it is. PHHUCK!
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The answer is Android does have it, the HTC Sensation does not and changing the build prop won't change jack ****. Hardware acceleration means just that, hardware implementation which allows the GPU and drivers to assist the software/UI. The SGS2 and Nexus S have it, beyond that I'm not sure what other devices do.
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The answer is Android does have it, the HTC Sensation does not and changing the build prop won't change jack ****. Hardware acceleration means just that, hardware implementation which allows the GPU and drivers to assist the software/UI. The SGS2 and Nexus S have it, beyond that I'm not sure what other devices do.
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So many conflicting opinions. This sounds more reasonable because I don't think a simple line in your build.prop can automatically make your phone support hardware acceleration.
So, does this mean that the Sensation is incapable of hardware acceleration, or that it just is for now?
Matt
brian85 said:
I've always wondered why the iphone is smooth compared to android, and after a little research I found it's because of one thing: hardware acceleration.
My only question is what is this and why doesn't android have it?
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When android was initially in development google didn't specify that a GPU was required (this is pre-iphone, think windows mobile) so they didn't code in HW acceleration. The rumor is that ice cream sandwhich will rectify this since every android phone since late 2009 has a gpu capable of HW acceleration
Here's some quotes from tonight's/today's press conference:
"Galaxy Nexus has no buttons and the physical / capacitive keys have been turned into 'virtual buttons' within the OS"
"The hardware works in concert with the OS. They were designed to work together."
"Android 4.0 ICS is "specifically designed" to work with 720p as its native resolution."
So, since the SGS2 has physical/capacitive buttons, wasn't designed to work with the OS, and doesn't support 720p, what makes us think it will (officially) get ICS?
You do point some vaild points in not getting it officially. But we could always tweak the source code to get in unofficially anyways. Software is software, a text file, it's not ike hardware where you have to change a resistor or something.
ANyways I don't think samsung will not deliver us ICS, they might simply just tweak it for us to work.
You honestly believe every device in near future will have no physical buttons ? and ICS will be limited only to high end devices ?
If 720p is going to be standard, that makes it really hard to do phones with smaller size screens though.
I wonder whats going to happen to ui customization. Is it going to be purer Google now?
see: SGS2 and ICS
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You honestly believe every device in near future will have no physical buttons ? and ICS will be limited only to high end devices ?
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Don't shoot the messenger. The quotes are from Google execs. I have no idea what the answers to your questions are but if you take what was said literally then the issue of ICS on legacy devices remains to be answered. That's why I brought it up for discussion. 45% of Android devices are still running Froyo so limiting ICS to specific devices doesn't seem out of the question. And based on the resources required by the OS, there has to be a line drawn somewhere anyway. Hell, the HTC Desire barely got GB.
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see: SGS2 and ICS
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Dude that was fake.
And he said "natively using 1280xwhatever". Doesn't mean it is the "only" display. It's coming to legacy ones. Stop worrying. Remember Nexus S from ebay?
And man, ice cream is like a derivative of Touchwiz. Good thing I started with samsung. LOL.
Sorry to say this but do you really thing Samsung will bring ICS as-it-is?
I mean I hope Samsung does not bring ICS as it-is, since there is HUGE difference between SGS launchers, UI and all other stuff compared to original Gingerbread already.
I really did not find ICS as "change the world" thing, but least, it is something new
krazykat said:
Dude that was fake.
And he said "natively using 1280xwhatever". Doesn't mean it is the "only" display. It's coming to legacy ones. Stop worrying. Remember Nexus S from ebay?
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Have people forgotten this works on tablets too? ie, Differing screen sizes?
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And man, ice cream is like a derivative of Touchwiz. Good thing I started with samsung. LOL.
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Will cm8/9 be ICS or is ICS cm8/9?
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krazykat said:
Dude that was fake.
And he said "natively using 1280xwhatever". Doesn't mean it is the "only" display. It's coming to legacy ones. Stop worrying. Remember Nexus S from ebay?
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Have people forgotten this works on tablets too? ie, Differing screen sizes?
Well, now that the SDK has arrived..i bet the devs are getting to work
already confirmed by Google..
ICS confirmation on Nexus S and Gingerbread devices
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already confirmed by Google..
ICS confirmation on Nexus S and Gingerbread devices
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Well, there you have it.
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Will cm8/9 be ICS or is ICS cm8/9?
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CM9 will be ICS.
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already confirmed by Google..
ICS confirmation on Nexus S and Gingerbread devices
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Yeah, they also said support for "18 months" at Gingerbread event (I know some devices who didn't follow this statement after it was said).
W&S, but maybe Samsung will use the Nexus Prime's OS as a selling point.
Check out the new nexus Video really cool
Google Android Ice cream Sandwich unveiled
looks like Google has worked/stole a few ideas from samsung
Apparently Google + has hangouts/video so I guess thats why they are taking video call out of google talk, maybe integrating with google +
I dont see, Any reason Galaxy S II wont get ICS Update .... !!!
Galaxy Nexus Hardware wise similar to Galaxy S II ... Only Screen Resolution and Virtual Button is the diff.
However, That does not mean, GS II wont get it ... Stop thinking that we wont be having it...
Start thinking that , how much of ICS Feature sammy will give us...thats more inp.
BarryH_GEG said:
Here's some quotes from tonight's/today's press conference:
"Galaxy Nexus has no buttons and the physical / capacitive keys have been turned into 'virtual buttons' within the OS"
"The hardware works in concert with the OS. They were designed to work together."
"Android 4.0 ICS is "specifically designed" to work with 720p as its native resolution."
So, since the SGS2 has physical/capacitive buttons, wasn't designed to work with the OS, and doesn't support 720p, what makes us think it will (officially) get ICS?
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This is marketing talk for Galaxy Nexus, you cannot draw the conclusion that it won't support older units or smaller displays from this.
Especially since Google said today that Nexus S will get ice cream...
nexus s is inferior to galaxy s according to HW side.. soo galaxy s II will obviously get ICS ..samsung wont make a mistake like not providing their best selling device getting ICS..
if they dont provide the devs will make us one.. coz there're 10million s2 users out there..
and all the brightest developers own a s2 coz this is simply the best phone
Hi, I have a question regarding hardware acceleration with the coming of ICS ports to older phones. ICS supports full hardware acceleration, and is also optimized for dual core phones. So I was wondering how the single core phones would take the hardware acceleration? Choppy/better speed, etc?
I'm not very savvy about hardware acceleration and so this is why I ask. Any clarification would be appreciated!
Thanks!
I've enabled hardware acceleration on my galaxy S with ICS beta 2. All animations are smooth, though flipping between launcher screens can be a bit choppy at times. Overall, it feels smoother than gingerbread, especially with page scrolls.
I'm running ICS on my Nexus S and for the most part it's smooth. Some lags here and there, but when the official hits it will probably much better.
Hardware Acceleration means using the GPU to help render pages, so CPU core count isn't what you're looking at here. The N1 has a really poor GPU so don't expect any improvements there. Not that it matters, because even the best phone hardware can't solve what is actually a fundamental problem. Everybody should have a read of this:
https://plus.google.com/10505198573...8x93s#105051985738280261832/posts/2FXDCz8x93s
Bottom line: Android will never be rid of the choppy/lag issue unless it is completely overhauled. It doesn't matter how much hardware power is thrown at the problem, there are fundamental flaws in the OS.
If a brand new Galaxy Nexus still has the same problem as my N1, which it does, why would i want to upgrade?
Hardware Accel.
Im using evervolvs rom on my htc evo 4g and the HA that hes included with the rom is amazing...but im not sure if hes gotten a build for your phone yet.
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Hardware Acceleration means using the GPU to help render pages, so CPU core count isn't what you're looking at here. The N1 has a really poor GPU so don't expect any improvements there. Not that it matters, because even the best phone hardware can't solve what is actually a fundamental problem. Everybody should have a read of this:
https://plus.google.com/10505198573...8x93s#105051985738280261832/posts/2FXDCz8x93s
Bottom line: Android will never be rid of the choppy/lag issue unless it is completely overhauled. It doesn't matter how much hardware power is thrown at the problem, there are fundamental flaws in the OS.
If a brand new Galaxy Nexus still has the same problem as my N1, which it does, why would i want to upgrade?
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Don't know if you've read it, but here's a response to Dianne's post:
https://plus.google.com/100838276097451809262/posts/VDkV9XaJRGS
Those 2 Google+ links were great reads, thanks!
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Don't know if you've read it, but here's a response to Dianne's post:
https://plus.google.com/100838276097451809262/posts/VDkV9XaJRGS
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Yep, i had a read of that too. It's all eye opening stuff, in fact every Android user needs to read those posts.
So, I'm getting a new phone. I have a Cliq 2 at the moment and I'm currently debating between this phone and the LG G2x. I've heard tons of good things about both phones.
So, how is this phone? What are its good, and bad things? How is the keyboard?
I'm not asking about which phone I should get, I'm just asking about what are the ups of this phone, and what are its downs? How's the stock rom? How are all the custom roms? And any other useful things you guys can throw in about this phone.
Thanks!
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So, I'm getting a new phone. I have a Cliq 2 at the moment and I'm currently debating between this phone and the LG G2x. I've heard tons of good things about both phones.
So, how is this phone? What are its good, and bad things? How is the keyboard?
I'm not asking about which phone I should get, I'm just asking about what are the ups of this phone, and what are its downs? How's the stock rom? How are all the custom roms? And any other useful things you guys can throw in about this phone.
Thanks!
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I don't want to sound overly negative but this phone...cons
Very little ROM support
Stock is MySense 3.0 which is watered down Sense 3.0 and sucks
The dual cores don't seem to fire like they should...my MT4G was faster and only one core..
Keyboard is flat and hard to type....
Pros....
Hmmm Camera is cool....
some love the tv out....
and it should get 4.0
Love it. I amazing build quality, amazing camera, amazing keyboard. Sense launcher sucks and stock it sucks but with a rom its awesome.
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Pros:
Very stable
Easily rooted
Gets even faster once the Sense launcher and Rosie are both gone
Cons:
Only two devs actually working on this device (Undeadk9 and Kornyone)
No stable CyanogenMod builds yet
Stock ROM is almost pure bloatware
Well I think this phone is pretty snappy myself.
Undeadk9 has created a very stable Rom with an aosp feel and minimum sense just for the dialer and camera, which is perfect for me atleast.
Undeadk9 also is the first to get gpu ui rendering on any rom, so the phone is finally using the most out of its great hardware specs. I think the dual cores are perfect already, but once we get ics, I think the phone will fully utilize both cores
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Pretty good phone. Easy to root. New version of Bulletproof coming out soon.
I had been using a G1 from the start and took some doing for me to switch. Tried 2 different g2s that didn't work.
I really like the G1 keyboard but am getting used to the 4g slide's.
Only draw back is I work in a roaming area during the week and have trouble getting and making calls. Network problems with T-mobiles "roaming" partner network.
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Undeadk9 also is the first to get gpu ui rendering on any rom, so the phone is finally using the most out of its great hardware specs...
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Not quite true - the pre-1.0 version of Bulletproof had hardware rendering set as the default behavior, which I removed for the 1.0 release, and that was a while ago.
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I love this device, it's fantastic. Beefy hardware and a nice, smaller package, the capabilities of the device we are opening up is fantastic.
love the keyboard, aftermarket anker battery makes the package, and some nice cases out for it now.
Hardware rendering is a bit buggy, and i'm pretty sure it's a kernel issue that can be addressed - i've been studying this problem since about the middle of august and will start to address the issue in another week or so.
It works fine on the phone itself, but once you start using the TV-out function of the phone it gets weird at times.
If nto using hardware decoding, though, playing video games and watching movies on a TV is a fantastic feature without having to carry around the bulky MHL adapter some phones need, and the screen stays active which means you can use it as a controller for whatever you are playing on the TV.
Love the phone, you probably will too if you pick one up.
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Not quite true - the pre-1.0 version of Bulletproof had hardware rendering set as the default behavior, which I removed for the 1.0 release, and that was a while ago.
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I love this device, it's fantastic. Beefy hardware and a nice, smaller package, the capabilities of the device we are opening up is fantastic.
love the keyboard, aftermarket anker battery makes the package, and some nice cases out for it now.
Hardware rendering is a bit buggy, and i'm pretty sure it's a kernel issue that can be addressed - i've been studying this problem since about the middle of august and will start to address the issue in another week or so.
It works fine on the phone itself, but once you start using the TV-out function of the phone it gets weird at times.
If nto using hardware decoding, though, playing video games and watching movies on a TV is a fantastic feature without having to carry around the bulky MHL adapter some phones need, and the screen stays active which means you can use it as a controller for whatever you are playing on the TV.
Love the phone, you probably will too if you pick one up.
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Okay, cool. Before this phone came out I wanted it so bad, but for some reason I just forgot about it haha.
And oh, no CM? My I have it installed on my Cliq2 and I love it. The more custom roms the better haha
Edit: nevermind, just looked at the development section and saw there was a CM rom.
Why did someone say earlier not many ROMs? From what it looks like, there's a lot
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I like it, Im getting used to the keyboard, but it works. The Bulletproof rom is nice and snappy, feels good in my hands.. its a nice improvement over the 3g slide I used to have.
It has a lot of nice features that will be amazing once rom devs (like Blue6IX) tweek the kernel further
And its one of the few dual core phones with a slide out keyboard.
kornyone got himself added to the CM team by porting the majority of it to this device.
He released a rough alpha version of CM7 for the device, which was freakin' awesome! - just with the release of ICS by Google the entire CM crew is working around the clock to get ICS ported back to older devices, so the CM7 project for this device got shelved for a bit.
Because kornyone was interested in this device enough to go ahead and start getting CM7 ported to it, i'd like to think that puts this phone in a good position to get whatever ICS goodness they are working on.
I'm a bug fan of their work, I run CM7 on my Nook Color and love it - it's amazing what they've done.
For this device, personally, i'm preferring to work with Sense, which I know doesn't appeal to everyone. Once ICS hits the phone I think it'll be important to maintain a Sense option for people who would prefer to keep some of the proprietary technologies they've paid for (like TV-out).
I dunno, I bought a second one of these phones for development purposes, so if that says anything about how much I like it
i like the phone a lot as well, and i just can't get myself to flash CyanogenMod on it, haha(i have a G2 for that ). i personally feel HTC did a good job on this Mysense... even on stock, everything seems to work, and it looks great. granted i haven't used tv-out yet, and it sounds like the playback isn't stellar.... yet. the phone also doesn't seem as blazing fast as one might expect, but it is fast enough. i look forward to trying the next release of Bulletproof because it sounds like Blue61x has slimmed it down, while maintaining stability and all the Sense goodies.
I love this phone. I got it through rma from t mobile, brand new. Took a few to get one that I loved, but I'm much pickier than most. Feels very solid, I think its blazing fast.
I'm not sure what people are talking about when they say it isn't fast. I think this phone is a monster. Fastest phone I've used (mt3g, hd2 with android, mt4g). Notice I've only ever had touchscreen phones. I was in love with the galaxy s2, and thought for sure it would be my next phone. Then I got this thing, and I'm pretty darn sure I won't be switching anytime soon.
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I love this phone. I got it through rma from t mobile, brand new. Took a few to get one that I loved, but I'm much pickier than most. Feels very solid, I think its blazing fast.
I'm not sure what people are talking about when they say it isn't fast. I think this phone is a monster. Fastest phone I've used (mt3g, hd2 with android, mt4g). Notice I've only ever had touchscreen phones. I was in love with the galaxy s2, and thought for sure it would be my next phone. Then I got this thing, and I'm pretty darn sure I won't be switching anytime soon.
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Agreed. I own this since a few days. Its fast as hell...I'm using it with cm7, its working pretty well with it, except the cm7 has 720p video recording only. I'm okay with that. Otherwise its one of the best phones with keyboard. The screen resolution tho is a bit lagging behind the current best ones, but at least this phone fits well in the pocket.
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I'm thinking about getting this phone when I get my discount next month. I've had a chance to handle it a couple times, really like the feel of the slider, and the camera is just great(especially when compared to other HTC phones before it)!
It also looks like there's a couple great devs working on it. I'm following Blue's threads and I'm very impressed, plus korny seems to be making great progress with ICS.
Any chance someone could post a video overview of Bulletproof 1.1? I'd really like to see it in action
Can anyone tell me how the sound quality is - earpiece and speakerphone (calls and music) compared to HD2?
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Can anyone tell me how the sound quality is - earpiece and speakerphone (calls and music) compared to HD2?
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Personally this phone kicks ass. I have both a Sensation, and HD2 along side this baby. The sound quailty is amazing. I kick back, and relax to some biggie all the time. The screen is WVGA, not as clear as a qHD but is still good. The keyboard is much better than the Q2. I need a hardware keyboard since I text the Wife constantly, and its never let me down. The Duel Core shows off its power along side the 220 gpu. Speaker is load, performance is gooood. I use this over my sensation all the time.
But there's not many ROMs for it Xo there's more ROMs by the banished one on rootzwiki. Bulletproof is a good mysense rom, but there's a lot of neet roms. Where getting a true sense 3.0 rom soon. This phone is a must buy.
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... Where getting a true sense 3.0 rom soon. ...
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The stock Sense version is true Sense 3.0, not sure what you mean by this?
Maybe you are thinking Sense 3.5?
The phone is a beast on the spec sheet, but the stock rom is a bloated mess. If you're willing to root it, and freeze some of the bloat, stock isn't bad.
The keyboard is not as good as the MT3GS's, but I'm sure that was a tradeoff for the better specifications.
Basically, if you want a high end phone with a keyboard, there really just aren't many alternatives. I'm hoping we get some sort of ICS ROM (either cyanogen or HTC), as that'd extend the phone's life at least another year.
To Lifesorrows and Johnycat26,
Thanks a lot for the info - I just ordered the phone. I'm really impressed with Android on the HD2, but I really miss a hw kbd and having a great camera (and the extra ROM and RAM don't hurt either!)
To Blue61x, maybe he means a regular Sense ROM not the T-Mo modified "My-Sense" (for example w/o shortcuts on lock screen)?
I just got this phone today! I am loving it. So far. The hw keys a little hard to work with, that's about it though. Otherwise.this thing is a beast!! I love it. Came from a SGS4, big difference. That phone was so slow!!.o waving bye bye to it now. Had.a mytouch 4 h before and mt3h slide before that..o also had a cliq .and a.blackberry 9700. ........
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