I have been considering switching to WP7 for a while. The reviews and coverage of Mango have been very positive and I think Microsoft's take on the mobile OS is a nice departure from the iOS model. Also, the lack of an iPhone 5 announcement today pretty much sealed the deal for me in terms of deciding to jump ship. However, I have a few questions that I was hoping some users could answer that have moved from an iPhone to Mango.
Music - How does Zune manage syncing of files, ratings, playlists, etc between your computer and device compared to itunes and iOS?
Pictures - How about syncing photos? I read about the skydrive options, but how about syncing from your computer and storing them directly on the device? I read that photos taken with your phone don't sync as the full size to skydrive, is this still the case? Can you control which folder they are synced with?
Google services - Overall I think the iPhone does a good job handling google servies. Has anyone run into issues syncing with google contacts, such as contact photos, addresses, etc. I also heavily use google voice for sms and with jailbreaking it integrates fairly well with the iphone messaging interface. Is this possible on WP7? I read that their is a program that brings some functionality, but do google voice number sms messages show up in the WP7 messaging feeds?
Email - Both my work exchange account and gmail work fairly well in terms of push support. Also, delete = archiving in gmail (as I prefer), ability to sync sent folders, drafts, etc. are all very well handled. Does WP7 perform as well with gmail and have similar options? How well does it handle push and keeping your device synced with the email servers?
Apps - Are there similar apps such as the iPhone's Remote or a way to control the music running our your desktop? How about programs that Hippo remote or apps that can turn the device into a mouse/trackpad to control a computer on your local network?
File syncing - With skydrive can you store files locally or sync files from the 5GBs of live mesh storage? Similar to how dropbox on the iphone allows you to store some dropbox folders locally so you don't always need internet access.
Anyone have any comments about things they really miss when they switched from iOS to WP7?
Thanks a bunch
Dont do it, their are no apps or good games for WP7 and nothing on the horizon either.
Big Developers are exhausted and they just want to concentrate on Iphone and Android market.
Only little apps you find in WP7 are by like little individuals using Windows developer tool from their home and making a dollar app for pinning a tile or another RSS reader. Most of the present apps are exactly the same, doing the same thing with just different names and icon.
You will regret it, Iphone 4S has already beaten most highend WP7 device with their Siri and Camera.. I would suggest wait for Iphone 5 and migrate their.. WP7 right now is not a recommended buy, seeing the present dead Marketplace.. you can swipe and marvel at the metro interface and shi* but thats pretty much it.. you will get bored of it in one month and realize you have reached a deadend with nothing to install, no option to further improvise and utilize your phone beyond listening to music or switching from one app to another which all does the same thing ..
Windows phone has some better apps now but not everything i really like my windows phone but you are going to have to try mango to decide
Oh c'mon are you kidding me purple11? Android has the worst quality apps out there.
Zune does a good job with media management but a pretty bad job with app management. Synching media is as simple as dragging it from the library to the device icon. There is also wifi sync and the ability to download podcasts over wifi/cellular connections.
I believe Skydrive syncs to a folder called Skydrive Camera Roll and it still does resize images.
Regarding Google services, it does a good job with contacts, calendar, and email. I'm not really too familiar with how it does with google voice.
Regarding file syncing, you can save images and documents to the phone from skydrive.
The main thing you need to be aware of when switching is that the marketplace is still young. Some of us (Purple11 for example) don't really have the early adopter mindset and expect a brand new platform to have all of the apps that a four year old one does.
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Oh c'mon are you kidding me purple11? Android has the worst quality apps out there.
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Really?
Do you have anything like this for WP7? :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMMPDSkk7Ao
Or even on the horizon? No..
Big companies like Gameloft are not even considering developing games for WP7. Its a fact.. Microsoft Game Studios can only make little one hour games .. or some guy from russia ripping games from Nokia from year 1999 and bringing it to WP7 as free add supported tiny little game.. thats it..
Professional developers and corporations whose business is developing apps and games for mobile platforms are not even considering WP7 to introduce their products here..
http://www.gameloft.com/
We can wait.. but I think this wait will prolong till the launch of W8 Tablets atleast.. and thats a long time.. we will see Iphone 6 by than.. and Ipad 5.
Microsoft doesn't have the support that comes with being the market leader in cell phones and nets you iOS's scraps. Instead, they have a number of developers developing for Xbox live and now windows 8, both of which offer an easy port to wp7. Given the new APIs the possibilities are endless as to what we'll see over the course of the next few months. While it's not quite up to par with that game graphics-wise, even small time developers are releasing games like "Sword of Rapier" which, while in beta, is an excellent live action RPG. Of course then there are games like ilomilo that are infinitely more polished and smooth than modern combat.
Hi OP,for me...I agree with Purple11
IMHO, it is not worth the switch now. Or you will be ended up with regrets.
in regards to your question about google voice,there is no free app can do this. Unless you buy the app.
Honestly,zune is better than itunes in term of music and video management. However, the downside is you can't manage your apps or transfer documents directly to the apps on your phone.
I suggest that you should go for iphone 4s at this moment,if you are still interested in windows phone. Come back here when windows phone 8 is available.
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I have been considering switching to WP7 for a while. The reviews and coverage of Mango have been very positive and I think Microsoft's take on the mobile OS is a nice departure from the iOS model. Also, the lack of an iPhone 5 announcement today pretty much sealed the deal for me in terms of deciding to jump ship. However, I have a few questions that I was hoping some users could answer that have moved from an iPhone to Mango.
Music - How does Zune manage syncing of files, ratings, playlists, etc between your computer and device compared to itunes and iOS?
Pictures - How about syncing photos? I read about the skydrive options, but how about syncing from your computer and storing them directly on the device? I read that photos taken with your phone don't sync as the full size to skydrive, is this still the case? Can you control which folder they are synced with?
Google services - Overall I think the iPhone does a good job handling google servies. Has anyone run into issues syncing with google contacts, such as contact photos, addresses, etc. I also heavily use google voice for sms and with jailbreaking it integrates fairly well with the iphone messaging interface. Is this possible on WP7? I read that their is a program that brings some functionality, but do google voice number sms messages show up in the WP7 messaging feeds?
Email - Both my work exchange account and gmail work fairly well in terms of push support. Also, delete = archiving in gmail (as I prefer), ability to sync sent folders, drafts, etc. are all very well handled. Does WP7 perform as well with gmail and have similar options? How well does it handle push and keeping your device synced with the email servers?
Apps - Are there similar apps such as the iPhone's Remote or a way to control the music running our your desktop? How about programs that Hippo remote or apps that can turn the device into a mouse/trackpad to control a computer on your local network?
File syncing - With skydrive can you store files locally or sync files from the 5GBs of live mesh storage? Similar to how dropbox on the iphone allows you to store some dropbox folders locally so you don't always need internet access.
Anyone have any comments about things they really miss when they switched from iOS to WP7?
Thanks a bunch
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I have an Ipad and an Ipod Touch as well as an HD7 so I will try to answer your questions as best I can
1) Syncing Music - Zune does as good a job as itunes for this IMO, playlists, ratings etc. all sync and I much prefer the look and feel of the Zune interface, bear in mind though that (as far as I know) 16Gb is the most storage being suppiled on any WP7 device ATM (unless you are prepared to try and put in your own SD card which can be diffiicult and is only an option where SD cards are used)
2) Pictures taken with the phone camera are still downsied, you can have multiple folders on skydrive. Photos uploaded to skydrive from the PC can be uploaded at original size
3) Google services work just fine for me, I do not use GV so cannor comment on that.
4) There are over 30,000 apps for WP7 ATM, amongst them are many good quality ones. Yes there are apps that do full PC remote desktop control, PC media player control and my favorite Media Buddy which allows me to control my windows 7 Media Centre functionality from anywhere including scheduling recordings and watching recordings streamed to my phone.
5) File syncing, there are all sorts of options here with Office 365 and share point etc. although perhaps someone else can give you a better answer to your question.
Other points I would consider in your position are:
That Siri thing on Iphone looks pretty good, WP7 has something similar but not as full featured as Siri - will that be important?
You will not get a Retina display type resolution on current WP7
You can get HUGE screens on WP7 (Great for me with my bad eyesight!)
You will be different if you get WP7 everyone has an iphone (because it is good) currently, few have WP7
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Microsoft doesn't have the support that comes with being the market leader in cell phones and nets you iOS's scraps. Instead, they have a number of developers developing for Xbox live and now windows 8, both of which offer an easy port to wp7. Given the new APIs the possibilities are endless as to what we'll see over the course of the next few months. While it's not quite up to par with that game graphics-wise, even small time developers are releasing games like "Sword of Rapier" which, while in beta, is an excellent live action RPG. Of course then there are games like ilomilo that are infinitely more polished and smooth than modern combat.
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Agree with you,games can be easily port to the WP7. before hand, we need better processor with better graphic ability. If not, the endless possibilities of api and how easy to port a game would be useless...
what you are saying is something like, you have the crysis 2 game, but you using a tegra 2 device. So,whats the point of having the game?you can't play it.
Even the strongest wp7 device out there,HTC titan still using 8255chipset with adreno 205. It is totally no match to iphone 4s A5. A5 graphic power is about twice of the power of samsung galaxy s2 exynos chipset mali400. Can't imagine when A5 compare with qualcomm 8255.
So,stick with iOS for this moment is a better choice. What is attracting you now is only the metro ui of WP7. If you insist want to try WP7 out. Please ask someone with the phone,allow you to play with it for 1day and do your everyday tasks first. Play with demo unit is not enough,because the metro ui will pull you deeper.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4760/arms-mali400-mp4-is-the-fastest-smartphone-gpufor-now
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Music - How does Zune manage syncing of files, ratings, playlists, etc between your computer and device compared to itunes and iOS?
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I find Zune quite limited compared to iTunes. The biggest problem is that it doesn't respect episode numbers in the meta-data; so any podcasts or audiobooks I transfer from iTunes to my WP7 phone appear out of order (listed alphabetically by file-name?).
The other issue is that the WP7 media player is pretty poor. It doesn't feature audio-scrubbing, so you can't jump around inside audio-books, and it doesn't support lyrics. For these reasons I still have to carry around my ipod.
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Google services - Overall I think the iPhone does a good job handling google servies. Has anyone run into issues syncing with google contacts, such as contact photos, addresses, etc. I also heavily use google voice for sms and with jailbreaking it integrates fairly well with the iphone messaging interface. Is this possible on WP7? I read that their is a program that brings some functionality, but do google voice number sms messages show up in the WP7 messaging feeds?
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Google contacts sync fine, but other than that WP7 is all bing, no google. The worst part is the Bing Map app, which is barely functional in most regions of the world. No native google voice support, though there are a few apps that can handle it, but they won't integrate into the WP7 OS. Honestly if you're heavily invested in the google eco-system then you're better off going with Android.
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Agree with you,games can be easily port to the WP7. before hand, we need better processor with better graphic ability. If not, the endless possibilities of api and how easy to port a game would be useless...
what you are saying is something like, you have the crysis 2 game, but you using a tegra 2 device. So,whats the point of having the game?you can't play it.
Even the strongest wp7 device out there,HTC titan still using 8255chipset with adreno 205. It is totally no match to iphone 4s A5. A5 graphic power is about twice of the power of samsung galaxy s2 exynos chipset mali400. Can't imagine when A5 compare with qualcomm 8255.
So,stick with iOS for this moment is a better choice. What is attracting you now is only the metro ui of WP7. If you insist want to try WP7 out. Please ask someone with the phone,allow you to play with it for 1day and do your everyday tasks first. Play with demo unit is not enough,because the metro ui will pull you deeper.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4760/arms-mali400-mp4-is-the-fastest-smartphone-gpufor-now
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Well not everyone plays intense games on their phone i use my focus for time consuming fun games but i use my quad core computer with 2gb graphics for intense gaming so your purposes for getting the iphone 4s or wp7 varies
sylau90 said:
Agree with you,games can be easily port to the WP7. before hand, we need better processor with better graphic ability. If not, the endless possibilities of api and how easy to port a game would be useless...
what you are saying is something like, you have the crysis 2 game, but you using a tegra 2 device. So,whats the point of having the game?you can't play it.
Even the strongest wp7 device out there,HTC titan still using 8255chipset with adreno 205. It is totally no match to iphone 4s A5. A5 graphic power is about twice of the power of samsung galaxy s2 exynos chipset mali400. Can't imagine when A5 compare with qualcomm 8255.
So,stick with iOS for this moment is a better choice. What is attracting you now is only the metro ui of WP7. If you insist want to try WP7 out. Please ask someone with the phone,allow you to play with it for 1day and do your everyday tasks first. Play with demo unit is not enough,because the metro ui will pull you deeper.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4760/arms-mali400-mp4-is-the-fastest-smartphone-gpufor-now
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you're saying it can't play the single most demanding PC game ever... Duh... 1ghz is easily powerful enough to play many other games even with the 1ghz processor. Not to mention crysis isn't a windows 8 app and they'd have to re-write it from scratch to make it as such. Windows 8 apps and games are similar to those on our cell phones and will work in part like the ipads apps do. Regardless, from what's been said it looks as though Microsoft may be setting aside some finances to finance a game by Epic studios (makers of infinity blade and gears of war) for windows phone and That I want to see.
lovenokia said:
Well not everyone plays intense games on their phone i use my focus for time consuming fun games but i use my quad core computer with 2gb graphics for intense gaming so your purposes for getting the iphone 4s or wp7 varies
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Well not everyone uses Office files on phone either, not everyone uses MMS either.. but OP is switching from one smartphone to other.. and when he is buying a smartphone its better to inform him that WP7 not a smartphone.. a shiny wrapper outside, with nothing inside.. not a smartphone just a fecking walkman.. thats it.
Purple11 said:
Well not everyone uses Office files on phone either, not everyone uses MMS either.. but OP is switching from one smartphone to other.. and when he is buying a smartphone its better to inform him that WP7 not a smartphone.. a shiny wrapper outside, with nothing inside.. not a smartphone just a fecking walkman.. thats it.
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Now your trolling, how the f*** is wp not a smartphone(you've got to be on something to think that)? a walkman seriously? wp has alot of potential and could overthrow ios in a few years. pretty much your describing wp as a piece of s*** which it is the exact opposite
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Even the strongest wp7 device out there,HTC titan still using 8255chipset with adreno 205. It is totally no match to iphone 4s A5. A5 graphic power is about twice of the power of samsung galaxy s2 exynos chipset mali400. Can't imagine when A5 compare with qualcomm 8255.
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It's not really a hardware thing; it's an OS issue. XNA for WP7 still doesn't support custom shaders, which puts it behind the graphical capabilities of even the iPhone 3GS.
This is a big issue and is preventing any really great games being ported to the platform.
Purple11 said:
Well not everyone uses Office files on phone either, not everyone uses MMS either.. but OP is switching from one smartphone to other.. and when he is buying a smartphone its better to inform him that WP7 not a smartphone.. a shiny wrapper outside, with nothing inside.. not a smartphone just a fecking walkman.. thats it.
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Yea,correct...I just try my best to give OP a fair view about WP7.
Just to add in,there plenty of developers have stop updating their apps for ages,for example: bird song(twitter client), board express for Tapatalk(the only forum app in the marketplace) and etc...
Again,stick with the iphone for this moment,at least until windows phone 8 is released.
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You failed to mention what your current iOS device is. If your running the iPhone4 then there is little reason to switch. However anything older and your good to go.
When it comes to peoples opinions on here, take them with a grain of salt. Users like "Purple11" have no insight to what a Windows Phone is. They are usually blinded by marketing ploys and what their best friend has to say.
Windows Phone is great if you need a phone that allows you to accomplish things fast. I can do things much faster on a WP7 then Android or iOS. And yes, I have owned them all.
Does that mean they suck? Of course not. Each cater to a different demographic. iPhones are excellent media phones. Great for music and movies, as well as excelling in the games department. WP7 is about communication. You interact with people and services in greater detail as well as getting the speed boost I mentioned before hand. This includes the very well working Facebook and Twitter integration as well as the "needs improvement" LIVE.
WP is young and needs time to develop. Hopefully not to much time considering we are all ridiculously impatient. Try each phone extensively. If a friend has one, give it a go. Just make sure the phone is up to date.
Oh and last I checked a phone was meant to be a communication device. Just saying.
sylau90 said:
Yea,correct...I just try my best to give OP a fair view about WP7.
Just to add in,there plenty of developers have stop updating their apps for ages,for example: bird song(twitter client), board express for Tapatalk(the only forum app in the marketplace) and etc...
Again,stick with the iphone for this moment,at least until windows phone 8 is released.
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well that is what people said before mango was out now same story again wait till wp8 i agree with your points to a certain degree but mango is quite polished and with all these new mango devices coming out that will sure get some developer attention and pour in more apps. Nokia will flood the low range markets with some cheap wp devices which will sure expose developers apps to alot more people. But if your looking for games like infinity blade then i say the iphone 4s for now but i find wp more productive for actual phone applications calling messaging checking facebook etc.
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When it comes to peoples opinions on here, take them with a grain of salt. Users like "Purple11" have no insight to what a Windows Phone is. They are usually blinded by marketing ploys and what their best friend has to say.
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I've been a full time WP7 user since June. I take issue with this statement; I'm not biased in any way, I just have a lot of issues with the phone.
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This includes the very well working Facebook and Twitter integration as well as the "needs improvement" LIVE.
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Just to point out; Facebook integration (people hub, contacts) is broken even in Mango; around 1/4 of my contacts don't show up due to their FB privacy settings. This has been an issue since the phone came out, but still no resolution in sight:
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...=1&msgId=4211565e-f8aa-441a-9017-3b55a93a4384
http://www.wpcentral.com/facebook-f...e-not-alone?utm_source=wpc&utm_medium=twitter
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This is a serious question although I appreciate it could be taken as a troll.
Should Microsoft start again with their mobile OS? I know why they have kept compatability with older software but I personally think this is hurting them more than throwing away backwards compatability.
Look at the iPhone - that started from scratch and has grown to prominence without any back catalog of software.
Cheers, Rob.
Looks like its beginning to reach game-over stauts for M$ IMO. It feels like it did when Palm went down. Sorry to say, but I'm beginning my investigation into Android.
Exchange Server
Hi all
I use an exchange server provider and I find it's features really useful, not just on my mobile, but in MS Outlook 2007, in fact much more so on the PC. Because there are few equivalent services that I can get for the same price that would be compatible with both PC software and a mobile device, I am essentially tied to Microsoft products for the time being. MS have done very well at preventing 3rd party PIM clients accessing the full services of an exchange server.
Google are in the process of offering a full exchange service via Google Sync. If they are successful in this (which they clearly will be) then they are really only one step away from offering their own exchange type server which will be natively compatible with?? Android of course.
I would consider switching from WM to another OS if:
1. That OS could access the full services based on an MS Exchange server.
OR
2. There were comparable alternatives to a remote MS Exchange server system which could be accessed from the device.
In fact, Windows Mobile 6.5 can't access all the features of an Exchange server (e.g. being able to set specific Follow up reminder dates & times for emails and viewing other users calendars, etc.). So actually, an alternative system doesn't need to beat MS Outlook, it just needs to beat the feature limited WM 6.5 Pocket Outlook.
Sorry for the ramble but I can't see many large companies switching to Android if their employees can't accept a meeting request OTA!
In answer to the original question, yes, MS REALLY should start again with Windows Mobile and this time make sure users are able to access all the features of an MS exchange server OTA.
Cheers
andrew-in-woking
From what I've read on the developers Blogs the WM7 framework is entirely different to 6x.. so most of them are concentrating on this.. appararently the performance is at least doubled (this wasn't an MS fanboy). I do assume though that MS will do all they can to be backwards compatible .. the howl that happened on Palm will be nothing as to the reaction should MS completely leave their userbase high & dry. Yes Apple scored well by timing their entry into the market perfectly.. but they risk being trapped in exactly the same way by advances in technology.
I don't think it's game over in any direction just yet.. MS simply dosn't give up and there is absolutely nothing similar in the way Palm ran itself into the ground.. Obviuosly the media is a huge cheerleasder for both Google & Apple - for some reason believing these guys are in some way cool, uncommerical, funloving dudes who are only interested in the love..
look guys, some years passed by, and ONLY thing m$ wants to say to us is:
let's make smartphones, AGAIN.
pda's as mobile comps are DEAD.
f your 6.5 and rich kids.
f android and their feeble ****oozas.
xoen / nothin
Sleuth255 said:
Looks like its beginning to reach game-over stauts for M$ IMO. It feels like it did when Palm went down. Sorry to say, but I'm beginning my investigation into Android.
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omg, sleuth is going over to the dark side
btw, which droid model are you looking at?
Personally, i love WM
I agree with Andrew-in-woking. I love the ability to sync my contacts, notes, calender, music, photos, videos, and documents both ways with my computer and my phone. And, the thing I've been telling everyone is that devices supported by a company will work best with other devices supported by the same company. I've been using windows on all of my computers since I can remember, and I will only have the best phone experience if I get a windows powered phone, which would provide the best connectivity with my computer. It doesn't make sense to get an Iphone, unless you have an apple computer, in my eyes. Same with every other device. Get android if you have other devices powered by google os. Same with Samsung, sony, etc. If you start connecting devices across different companies, it will only lead to more problems, reducing the quality of your experience with that device. Those are my 2 cents.
funny how everybody is complain about windows mobile compares to iphone.
y havnt nobody complaining about crackberry to iphone?
not everybody buy a windows mobile phone and use it as a toy (iphone)
i love my Acer neotouch S200 with 1G cpu with custom 6.5 rom 23506, i'm not sure if i still want an android phone. oh, the only reason i want android phone is because of google gps navigator.
I like windows mobile the way it is, when it become's like an iphone, there is no point in using it anymore.
I'm not saying anything can't be improved, just that if it interface's like an iphone, you might as well buy an iphone which is what I suspect most people are talking about when comparing them.
Say goodbye to the usefulness of your high resolution screen's while using a child and finger friendly interface....massive icon's, text, menu's, spend half your time zooming in and out...panning etc.
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That OS could access the full services based on an MS Exchange server.
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Isn't this becoming a non-problem with better browsers? Outlook web access is now a very feature rich JavaScript based client - won't that run from anywhere?
Cheers, Rob.
I'm using Microsoft OS for about 15-20 years. First DOS, later Windows, and in the meanwhile also WM.
I don't need to sync anything between PC and phone but I want a "full" OS, you can customize whatever you want, and I love my Win32 API. On the IPhone and Android you don't even have a file explorer without downloading an extra app right? Yes I know "you can get an App for everything." And sure IPhone is comfortable and user friendly. But it's like that because it's a consumer device and being that it's probably better than WM. But actually WM is not only a toy (for people who don't feel comfortable with the more tech stuff) - it's an OS.
I don't really understand all the bad talking about WM recently. I agree using the GUI without a stylus is a pain in the ass but as I can see more and more parts of the OS are being updated with each new 6.5 build. And what's the deal about it.... it's only the f.... GUI!!!
Microsoft won't restart at all. Their OS will go and and on just like their desktop versions did. Remember all the talking back then. OS/2 kills Windows, MAC kills Windows.... IMO nothing of that happened at all.
MS over?
Don't believe the hype Sleuth.
HTC on windows rules.
Good to see you here.
Really appreciated your uc work on my HD.
New rom from Miri, uc'ed all my settings & apps.
Hours of fun.
100,000 apps for the iPhone in it's short life. 18,000 in all of WinMo's existence. 50K on Android already. M$ had a major chance when it buried Palm but it took the iPhone to bring real innovation back. Geezuz.
WinMo market share was cut in half in the last year. M$ is no longer considered a contender in the space dominated by iPhone, RIM, Nokia and now Android.
I too like the common api. But I've seen iPhone apps that blow my socks off. Hopefully, HTC will release a killer platform for android. I need capacitive, rez and battery life.
Moto Droid is the leader here now but it can't touch HTC keyboards. Lots of room for HTC to catch up. But android 2.0 on that very same droid can turn off bt and fire up your wifi profile when you walk into the door based on its continuously updated positional awareness. Weather works the same way, using wunderground school installations from a known database to give you local weather down to the exact temp where you are standing. You can use the camera to scan a bar code in a supermarket and it'll leverage Google's claim to fame and return info/best pricing on the web for the same item.
Meanwhile, m$ can't even make a decent marketplace. They are hobbled by feature drift and don't have a security clue (see chainfire's 2hr hack just to prove the point).
I wish it were otherwise but I've seen this all before...
Phonebook
munrobasher said:
Isn't this becoming a non-problem with better browsers? Outlook web access is now a very feature rich JavaScript based client - won't that run from anywhere?
Cheers, Rob.
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Hi Rob
You make a good point for mail and tasks but it's not quite the same as dialing directly from your cnmtacts.
Cheers
andrew-in-woking
Is this actually an issue of the OS itself? It's just market strategies and modern GUI experiences. With a good kernel (like we have with WM) it's no problem to add such features on top of it (if you just actually do it), but if you have limited kernel functionality but with the "good" GUI things on top it's harder to change the OS underneath it. I have no clue about Android yet but on the IPhone you can't even run background processes. Is Android just as flexible as the Windows kernel architecture? From what I heard I assume it's not, otherwise please proove me wrong.
The problem as you can tell it is more like Microsoft didn't care a lot about WM during the last couple years and especially HTC did what MS didn't, and now they need their time to catch up on their competitors again. But of course I'm also hoping they're doing fine with WM 7. I like the road they are going with 6.5 and if WM 7 is just like the new killer OS we're all waiting for (Windows 7 desktop isn't too bad neither right?) then why do you need your Apple and Google anymore???
FTTB, I'll probably get a Tilt 2 for hardware reasons. The iPhone is too restrictive for my tweaking tastes (although being a part of the jailbreak community would be fun) and no killer hardware for Android exists yet.
m$ needs a wake-up call. The mobile world is passing it by. This time next year (when I need another new gizmo) will be interesting. My predictions go with Android because Google has the information. Gathering it is what they do. Heck, the current navigation app on Android leverages the Google maps data for for actual image based turn by turn instruction. Impressive and always up to date.
Any one can explain why Iphone can run graphics more smooth than WM?
I have HTC Touch HD and i test a lot of cooked roms and an official roms but it still slowly.
The hardware of Iphone is better than my HTC HD?
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This might have been the wrong place to ask that question, but have you seen how simple the OS for the iPhone is? If you compare it with WM, it's just a start menu with tweaks. If you did that to WM, it'd fly as well too because it has no reason to use up it's power or memory in keeping a very nice interface smooth.
Good evening, don't forget that Windows Mobile (WinCE) is way older than Iphone... Microsoft WinCE was created in 1996 beetwin that time and now, things have change 3g, smartphone, colour-screen, wifi,... Windows Mobile is not ready it's like a wall with 15 layer of wallpaper. While Iphone is new it's developed with all this technologies built-in like a wall with only one wallpaper and the best one.
Between Cassipeia A20 and latest HTC... it's been a long way.
hugomenezes said:
Any one can explain why Iphone can run graphics more smooth than WM?
I have HTC Touch HD and i test a lot of cooked roms and an official roms but it still slowly.
The hardware of Iphone is better than my HTC HD?
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what windows mobile can do that iphone cannot..
1st windows can unzip RAR,zip...etc.. alot kind of format when company send u a email that have attachment in ZIP that iphone unable to read the file. but windows mobile can!
2nd playing play with fews friend on wifi local game network on laptop connecting windows mobile.but iphone cannot!
3rd windows mobile can play FLASH format. but iphone cannot!
4th windows mobile able to support more video/audio codec. but iphone cannot!
5th windows mobile can download bittorrent!. but iphone cannot
6th windows mobile can change battery when ur battery is low. but iphone cannot!
7th windows mobile more app.
8th windows mobile can sync any song/video and other without installing itunes.but iphone must install itunes to add video or song
9th windows mobile can share song/video/photo other file but iphone cannot!
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hugomenezes said:
Any one can explain why Iphone can run graphics more smooth than WM?
The hardware of Iphone is better than my HTC HD?
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The GPU is faster; generally PowerVR versus Adrena 200 (AMD Z430). Has nothing to do with the OS. In my opinion, the Apple OS approach is way too restrictive.
One thing WiMo can not do that the iPhone can is WPA2-Enterprise authentication without a certificate. But that's about it. At the end of the day, I don't miss my iPhone, very happy with my HTC HD2.
Well.. if you are comparing iOS with WiMo.. you might aswell add Android.
Well, personally I prefer both Android and WinMo over iOS.
why?
basically, because you can do more with both android and WinMo without rooting/jailbreaking the device. Than you could with an non-jailbroken iPhone.
with Android and Winmo:
- You can use your phone as a wi-fi hotspot
- Download different movie/media players
- Brows your files on your device and/or computer
- etc
However..
You can't add icons onto your desktop in WinMo. Neither can you add folders on your own(It is possible that i've been missing something here ofc).
Both the Android and iOS platform has devices that does support games with smooth graphics(as you call it).
And I find that the App store and Android Market is better than the WinMo market.
But that might just be me.
Both Android and WinMo got devices with harware keyboard. Witch is something the iOS does not have. I did not like to use my iPhone with wet fingers, same goes for most touch screens that i've used. However, that is not that big of an issue with a hardware keyboard.
You can also have widgets in android(You can also do this in WinMo if you download the right app for it. But I can't remember the name) I.e you can place a weather forecast on your desktop/lockscreen. On iOS however, you will have to click the apps icon, wait for the loading and then refresh to see the weather.
Same goes for the calendar.. In android I can see my appointments straight on the home screen.. However on the iOS I have to enter the Calendar app.
All in all, here is the way I would put my prefferences.
1. Android(A quite open platform. With the posibillity of adding widgets etc.)
2. WinMo 6.5+
3. iOS(I would really like to see some widgets.. atleast in the lock screen..)
I agree with ukon .
winmo is older, hence not as graphicly 'complete' if you'd like.
But it does not preform any slower than the iphone os doing the same tasks...
Winmo lets you to do anything you like, within reason... Everything mentioned above by another poster. Its not a restricted OS. Unlike the iphone os.
Android is in my opinion a lovely mix of the two.
flawless GUI, and its not restrictive.
I want a phone where I have total control: WM & Android.
NOT a phone that totally controls me: iOS
Nuff said.
phatmanxxl said:
I want a phone where I have total control: WM & Android.
NOT a phone that totally controls me: iOS
Nuff said.
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what windows mobile can do that iphone cannot..
7th windows mobile more app.
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Where are they hiding all those apps?
pkoper said:
Where are they hiding all those apps?
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On this little ol' think called t'interweb
Try Handango, MS Marketplace, XDA, google.
See, unlike Apple, MS don't dictate who can create and sell apps for their OS, and WM has a huge headstart on Apple.
It's not better, it just has a better marketing
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Exactly.
In addition to all of the above, Steve Jobs has figured out that most people don't need complicated stuff, it's the "stupid simple and shiny interface" ratio to. "advanced fuctions". I really don't know if that's really good or bad and I guess to each his own. Sad tho that these different capabilities haven't so far put together. Maybe Android will accomplish that one day.
Oh, and the way iPhone has implemented video call is utterly rediculous. Or have they changed that restriction policy later or did someone hack it open?
hugomenezes said:
Any one can explain why Iphone can run graphics more smooth than WM?
I have HTC Touch HD and i test a lot of cooked roms and an official roms but it still slowly.
The hardware of Iphone is better than my HTC HD?
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I'm going to ignore the other posts in this topic. It seems too many are clouded by iOS hatred (I mean, "WinMo has more apps than iOS"? Really?).
As far as I know, there are a lot of factors that goes into why WinMo is not as 'smooth'/efficient as iOS. Among these factors are lack of proper GPU drivers (due to Qualcomm's licensing issues), lack of proper optimization due to multiple phone spec setup (iPhone hardware tends to be static and fully supported by Apple itself), and, perhaps most notably, Windows Mobile is a very old OS. It doesn't support a lot of modern tech in ARM CPUs.
The last reason is probably why Microsoft is finally deciding to drop Windows Mobile and develop Windows Phone.
But to get to the point, Apple doesn't have any of the issues above. iOS is modern, available on static hardware configurations, and, of course, Apple's micromanagement of its OS/app market is probably doing a lot to keep things efficient. Of course, this approach has its drawbacks too (as people here would probably love to tell), but the advantage is also obvious for the world to see.
answer the question topics. I think it smoother graphics on the iphone because the resolution is only 320x240 qvga while your touch hd is WVGA 480x800.
and it is certainly lighter os on iphone because it only displays a static icon in the menu. if you like static icons ,turn off htc sense and use titanium. or use shell menu such as spb. it'll fly
and for graphics in applications such as games. buy games from EA and Gameloft and i guarantee they run smoother than the iphone. for example Ferrari GT from gameloft. play using accelerometer on for both, you'll see which phone steer car easily
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Such thread are usually shut, but i'm leting this be because so far it seems clean and productive, please don't turn it ugly.
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Hello there, I'm about to make the big jump from android to windows phone 7!
I love android but I hate so much of it at the same time, for instance the lack of a decent media manager, doubletwist has too many issues and a lack of features!
Regardless I'm now making the switch to the Lumia 900 thought I've got a few uncertainties I'm hoping people can clarify for me.
1)Contacts- At the moment, I love google contacts, it works so seamlessly and gmail is a pleasure to use! However switching to WP7 is going to mean I have to use live, which is alright but it's a laggy mess in comparison to gmail I find. It's a mess to work around and it keeps shoving ****ty Bing in my face! Any way I can still use gmail or at least make the whole live experience less...crap?
2)Zune- I love the zune interface, one of the main reasons I'm switching but how are updates coming along for it? It's beautiful to look at however it hasn't been updated in quiet some time and there's vital features missing, for instance a repeat button! How well does this sync with WP7, I'm hoping beautifully with my entire library and all my custom playlists? One of the main reasons I'm switching
3)Docking- no docks i'm assuming, I want iphone docking abilities but since there's no feature on microusb to output audio that's a lost cause =[ However there's talk of a microsoft dock, what's that all about anyone know?
4)Updates- with talks of WP Apollo I'm worried about when to get a phone. I really like the lumia 800 and i'm holding out for the 900 just for those extra few features like a front facing camera since my contract just finished, not to mention my HTC desire is dead hence I'm using a replacement.
In fact would you say it's even worth waiting for the 900?? Since it's really not that different!
5)Bluetooth- I presumed this was standard but I can stream music via bluetooth to bluetooth speakers right with the 800/900???? I heard people saying it wasn't capable?
6)Dual-Boot?- Any hope of dual booting android?
7Free games/apps- Android had thousands of free apps and games, how does WP7 fare in this department?
Thank you for your help!
1) WP7 can use your Google contacts, Calendar, and sync your Gmail account just fine. You need to have a Windows Live account, but you don't really ahve to do anything with it. If you already have a Xbox Live account or Zune Tag, just use that. FWIW, I personally really don't like either the Windows Live or Google web interfaces, but prefer Bing over Google for first-try searching (I'll try the other if I don't find what I want right off the bat, but I usually find what I want faster if I start with Bing).
1.1) Be aware that Bing is pretty integrated into Windows Phone, while Google is not. In fact, Google has very few apps for the phone. Although the integration with Google services like Gmail and Calendar is good, others like Talk, Voice, Docs, and G+ is not. Google has (not a huge surprise) shown very little interest in developing apps for WP7.
2) Zune gets updates every now and then. The last was just before Mango came out, call it five or six months ago. It definitely supports Repeat though, both on the phone and on the PC... As for syncing with WP7, it's very good. You can choose what types of media to automatically sync, you can manually sync anything, and yes, things like custom playlists are certainly supported. If you've added a folder to your "Libraries" in Windows, the Zune software will see it and be able to sync it. You can also manually add additional folders.
3) I don't know anything here. There's a "Dock Mode" app on HTC, but as far as I know there's no standard dock interface on WP7. All the phones use MicroUSB, but they don't put the ports in the same place or anything.
4) So far, all updates have been available for all phones. I don't know how long that'll keep up, but Mango isn't even slightly laggy on my first-gen HD7 so I expect it'll remain true for a while. The only reason to wait for a newer phone is if you want new hardware features; the software is almost entirely the same across all phones and all generations. None of that Android fragmentation, where a device may be running an obsolete major version at its release, never be brought fully up to date, and abandoned six months later while there's still a long wait on your contract.
5) WP7 can stream music to A2DP BlueTooth devices, and can use Headset profile BlueTooth as well (of course). It's a little more limited than other smartphones in terms of BlueTooth - no native support for file transfer or BT tethering, for example - but it's generally suficient and MS has added capabilities in previous updates so hopefully that will keep going.
6) So far, no natively WP7 devices can run Android. It's theoretically possible, but you'd need both an unlocked bootloader and a port of Android to the device's hardware. The only phone I know of that can run both WP7 and Android is the HTC HD2, and that actually comes with Windows Mobile, not WP7 *or* Android. It's also a bit old and becoming hard to buy.
7) There are many thousands of free apps, or apps with functional trial versions, in the WP7 Marketplace. That includes games. It's certainly not as vast (yet) as iOS or Android, but those platforms have huge head-starts. It's growing very rapidly. Microsoft has also put some effort into "must-have" apps and games, although generally those end up costing a few dollars. Almost all paid apps have trials, though.
Thanks for the help. =)
How is tethering as a general? I love my wi-fi hotspot on my desire. One of the BEST things about the phone. How is it on the Lumias and WP7 in general?
Didn't realise Zune had been updated(updating after this post!)
So it is definitely possible to keep my WP7 contacts synced with google? if so YAY!
Also iOS jailbreaking, android rooting. What about WP7? And as bad as it is, is there a way to install 'free' apps. Not that one ever would partake in such criminal activities, I'm just curious I guess?
Most WP7 devices offer WiFi hotspot tethering. It depends on the carrier (some disable it entirely, others charge for it) and the phone (I've heard surprising claims that the Lumia 710 doesn't permit it, even though T-Mobile US generally does - hopefully they push an update soon to fix that). Where it's supported, it works well.
The last Zune update was, as I said, months ago... but yeah, if you don't have a Repeat button you're ona very old version. The current version is 4.8.something.
Yeah, syncing contacts with Google is very easy. When I create a contact on the phone, I get the option of storing it on my Google account instead of my Live or Exchange accounts.
So far, nobody has managed to root the Lumias or install custom ROMs, but they're still quite new. Until a month or so back, the same was true of the Samsung WP7 devices (at least for custom ROMs; they were rooted months ago). I'm sure that, as the Lumias become more popular, they too will be rooted and have their bootloaders unlocked.
Discussion of piracy is quite frowned upon here on XDA-Devs. The only legit reason I can think of for a potential user to ask about it is if they're also a potential developer and are concerned about their apps being pirated. That said, there are some protections but they can be worked around. Microsoft has said they're going to start encrypting the Marketplace apps though, and that will make it much more difficult.
If you're seriously interested in dual booting, I'll have a Telstra (fully AT&T compatible) HTC HD2 available for sale as soon as Internet Sharing becomes enabled on the Lumia 800. It's a hard to find version of the phone.
Hello...
I come from old school Windows Mobile (even on a PDA as PocketPC) and pretty much used one until 2010. I kept waiting for Windows Phone 7 but the wait became too long and I decided to go Android.
I've had 3 different Android phones since 2010 and I am currently on the Samsung Skyrocket, which has been the best and most stable Android Phone I've owned. I also have an ASUS Transformer Prime with keyboard and it is a joy to use. I really do love widgets and use them heavily for my tasks, calendar and other at a glance "life notes." I also use OneNote for Android to keep notes and frequently accessed information.
I am also enjoying the Google ecosystem of Gmail, Calendar, Contacts, Reader and other services.
Despite the Tegra processor in my tablet, I don't play a lot of games and I often find that I wish I could do real work on an Android device or even play my "Good Old Games" from GOG.COM on my mobile devices.
However, I am a Microsoft guy. I have a Windows 7 main PC that serves my media to my XBOX. My laptop currently has Windows 8 release preview installed on it. So far, I am liking the ecosystem between Windows 8 and XBOX.
Which brings me to Windows Phone. I have one for work but I've not really made it mine yet. I like most of what I see. Maps do lack when compared to Google Maps and navigation. There isn't a good Google Reader app I've found yet and the YouTube app is pretty bad. However, a lot of these I could live with because I do like the Windows Phone interface and the common ecosystem it will have with Windows 8 and XBOX. I am also Zune owner (we have 3 in our family) and love the Zune player.
Android, in my opinion, is king as far as useful mobile apps and collaboration. I like file level access, apps like DropBox work seamlessly and I love the options on sharing media. But I am really wanting to move to close to one platform as I can. Kind of jarring to go between platforms.
So, all that said, I wanted to hear from other Windows Phone owners on how they like their devices. A few questions:
Will current devices like Titan II and Lumia 900 be upgradable to Windows Phone 8?
I think I will miss being able to change my own battery. If and when a battery needs to be replaced, what is the process? Can a store do it or do we mail it back in?
I'd love to make a Windows Phone my Zune replacement but being limited to 16 GB kind of stinks and I don't want to always have to stream via ZunePass. I have unlimited data but I don't want to become a "top 5%" user.
Thanks for letting me ramble...looking forward to a good discussion. Even if some of you convince me to stay Android...ha.
I wouldn't get too comfy with Zune as it looks like it will be replaced with X-Box Music, It is very difficult coming from a platform which is so customisable to WP7 which is quite closed, No doubt you are aware of the limitations associated with WP7 so I wont bore you with the details, I initially came from using Symbian to Windows mobile 6.1 then 6.5 and now WP7.5, I did find it difficult at first as I was so used to changing backgrounds and checking my files in File Manager etc but now I must admit I don't really miss any of that and am happy having a phone which does not need any tinkering, I find I use my phone less now and only use it when it counts, Before it was a cure for boredom having lots of things to change and I don't miss flashing ROMs or installing CABs,I am not really a heavy business user but my phone keeps my appointments at hand and syncs with my contacts and calender and makes phone calls believe it or not I love the simplicity that I can update where I am and what I am doing with just a couple of swipes, I use Nokia Maps which I find very adequate and Nokia Drive is superb and Free, The way I look at WP7 is that it is an OS in its infancy which will grow and get stronger.
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I wouldn't get too comfy with Zune as it looks like it will be replaced with X-Box Music, It is very difficult coming from a platform which is so customisable to WP7 which is quite closed, No doubt you are aware of the limitations associated with WP7 so I wont bore you with the details, I initially came from using Symbian to Windows mobile 6.1 then 6.5 and now WP7.5, I did find it difficult at first as I was so used to changing backgrounds and checking my files in File Manager etc but now I must admit I don't really miss any of that and am happy having a phone which does not need any tinkering, I find I use my phone less now and only use it when it counts, Before it was a cure for boredom having lots of things to change and I don't miss flashing ROMs or installing CABs,I am not really a heavy business user but my phone keeps my appointments at hand and syncs with my contacts and calender and makes phone calls believe it or not I love the simplicity that I can update where I am and what I am doing with just a couple of swipes, I use Nokia Maps which I find very adequate and Nokia Drive is superb and Free, The way I look at WP7 is that it is an OS in its infancy which will grow and get stronger.
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Great reply. I use ZunePass to get the music I want and keep the 10 songs a month. It plays very nicely with my Windows Media Center extender on the XBOX as well.
I am OK with less customization as long as I get USEFUL apps. My most useful apps on Android are a caleder widget, syncing with google tasks, Cozi (has a killer grocery list app), OneNote, Google Reader. I use those the most. There are apps to replace those on Windows Phone and I'll try them out on my work phone. I am sure they may not be AS good but they could prove passable.
I am OK not changing backgrounds and such.
Really, I am more fascinated with Windows 8 tablets than anything else and just kind of want my phone on a like ecosystem. The trick is seeing if I could live with the changes. And the frustrating fact nothing comes higher than 16 GB and can't change battery (Titan II or Lumua 900).
It seems they are all going that way with the non removable batteries, It is a pain but I look at it this way, Most batteries can be charged/discharged up to a 1000 times, Taking into account not many people keep their phones for two years you would have lets say 1000 days usage before any severe battery degradation, That is just a theoretical view of course and I am going on standard rechargeable batteries but it makes me feel a little better about it.
Try and stick with it and do try the replacement Apps, Hopefully it won't be too much of a painful transition for you.
Interesting
I would recomend you look at the recent breakthrough in Titan (1), I came to winphone from 6.5 and now with the recent HSPL breakthrough it is like the good old days again
Mark
With Windows 8 and Surface coming out soon and the fact that I've enjoyed Windows 8 on my laptop and it's new ecosystem, I think I may dump Android for WP8.
I know the biggest thing to come up is Apps. Android apps I use on a daily basis or ones I really like are:
Flipboard
Google Reader
Google Maps (and navigation)
YouTube (Official App)
I am tied into the Google ecosystem for my contacts and google services and I know they can be converted to a Microsoft Account. But, I do have a Windows Phone 7 as my work phone and while I love the OS much more than Android, I love the above mentioned apps much more on the droid. I've tried the third party Reader and YouTube apps and they just don't measure up. But I am also ready for one ecosystem and since I already have an XBOX and a Microsoft shop at home, I am ready to go all Microsoft for my mobile world. But so want my apps!
Anyone else face this quandary?
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With Windows 8 and Surface coming out soon and the fact that I've enjoyed Windows 8 on my laptop and it's new ecosystem, I think I may dump Android for WP8.
I know the biggest thing to come up is Apps. Android apps I use on a daily basis or ones I really like are:
Flipboard
Google Reader
Google Maps (and navigation)
YouTube (Official App)
I am tied into the Google ecosystem for my contacts and google services and I know they can be converted to a Microsoft Account. But, I do have a Windows Phone 7 as my work phone and while I love the OS much more than Android, I love the above mentioned apps much more on the droid. I've tried the third party Reader and YouTube apps and they just don't measure up. But I am also ready for one ecosystem and since I already have an XBOX and a Microsoft shop at home, I am ready to go all Microsoft for my mobile world. But so want my apps!
Anyone else face this quandary?
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you need to decide what you can do without more.
Personally I don't give too hoots about the apps on any platform which then leave the OS choice its self as the main reason for change, and hence why im on WP7 as well.
If I were you I would consider this, those apps you talk about have alternatives on WP7, so its not like its completely missing, so the question you need to ask yourself is this, is the overall OS and general phone features of WP more important than half a dozen apps that are still available to WP but not quite as youd want?
in my humble opinion again, a WP device is a phone first device, everything else is secondary inc apps.
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you need to decide what you can do without more.
Personally I don't give too hoots about the apps on any platform which then leave the OS choice its self as the main reason for change, and hence why im on WP7 as well.
If I were you I would consider this, those apps you talk about have alternatives on WP7, so its not like its completely missing, so the question you need to ask yourself is this, is the overall OS and general phone features of WP more important than half a dozen apps that are still available to WP but not quite as youd want?
in my humble opinion again, a WP device is a phone first device, everything else is secondary inc apps.
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Well, I understand the apps arguments. If there isn't an app, I can always use the browser. And I really don't care that I have every Angry Birds edition. But it is important to me that the platform is shown some love. I can't imagine why it is so hard for Yahoo! to release a Fantasy Football App for example. It is much easier to use in an app than in a mobile browser.
As mentioned, I have Verizon's one and only Windows Phone for work, the HTC Trophy. It is very lackluster hardware but I am able to get my WP7 fix. I just don't find myself using it much, mainly because I really don't like carrying two devices (often just forward the number to my personal phone.) I took your advice and looked for good, alternative apps:
PrimeTube: Prime tube seems to work quite well as my YouTube app. The Android YouTube app is pretty good but I was quite surprised with this app as it may surpass the Android App. Nice Work.
NextGen Reader: A passable Google Reader app. Kind of generic looking but it does the job. The small screen of the Trophy doesn't help so I imagine it will look good on a larger phone. The mobile web page for Google Reader isn't a bad option either.
Those are the only two I found. I do enjoy playing Madden 12 from time to time on my Android devices. The YouVersion Bible app is good but it is lacking the LIVE notes option.
My next step is to try out navigation on WP7 to see how is measures up with Google Maps. Going on a trip in a few weeks, so will test it. I will also try merging my Google contacts with my live account to see how I like the cloud services that MS offers.
I am also a long time ZunePass subscriber. I am disappointed at the lack of playlist options for streaming music. It if becomes more like Spotify, Microsoft will have a hit on their hands here.
Again, I want WP to succeed but I also don't want to ditch what I am comfortable with. I have a few months until Surface and WP8 are released. We will see what happens when that time comes.