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Torn: Tbolt / Inc2. Details within! 4G grandfathering?

So I'm looking at stealing my upgrade from my 2nd line ("house" phone), and I'm thinking of one of these two for it.
NOW then, I'm a root'er (obviously), currently loving MIUI on my Incredible but realizing that this may be a ways off for BOTH devices. That's fine. However, it's the 4G thing that has me puzzled.
I was told by a guy at Ye Old Best Buy that if I snag a Tbolt this month I can get "grandfathered" in to unlimited 4G from here on out. Obviously the Inc2 doesn't have 4G whatsoever, but my city's going to have the service rolled out within the month.
Battery life concerns me, and I've heard horror stories about it being even worse than my Incredible's, which is far from inspiring. I'm also one of those "newer = better, right?" kind of guys.
If the grandfathering notion isn't all it's cracked up to be, or if 4G isn't as critical as I'm thinking it might be, then I might just wait until next year to upgrade. If not, well, then I'll have to pull the trigger, right?
Thanks!

First, why are you listening to idiots at bestbuy? They're even bigger morons than the typical (read typical, not atypical) sales lackey at verizon stores. Personally, I rather not deal with either of them and just buy it online with verizon's website (unless waiting an extra 24 hours means that much to you).
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1097276&highlight=grandfather
Also, there's plenty of discussions about LTE (4g) on the forum by people asking if it's worth it and were full of answers you would probably find useful, i think (use the search and search by post content, not title, it's pretty useless).

Eh, I was there and felt like chatting. The guy I was talking to was actually really astute. Was asking if I planned to root, what roms I liked, told me something about the thunderbolt's bootloader I didn't understand. I'll check out the links, thanks!
- Dinc + MIUI = bliss

SomeGuyDude said:
Tbolt this month I can get "grandfathered" in to unlimited 4G from here on out. Obviously the Inc2 doesn't have 4G whatsoever, but my city's going to have the service rolled out within the month.
Battery life concerns me, and I've heard horror stories about it being even worse than my Incredible's, which is far from inspiring. I'm also one of those "newer = better, right?" kind of guys.
If the grandfathering notion isn't all it's cracked up to be, or if 4G isn't as critical as I'm thinking
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Grandfathering is the way its always worked, along with once your one a specific plan as long you don't change it then you keep it forever (whatever that might be). I have the TB I find I turn my 4G off and just run on 3G all the time. I do use it for downloading stuff but not all the time, battery time about 5-6 hours. Rooted with other froyo roms at the 12 hour mark I have about 70% left with light to moderate use. With Gingerbread roms a bit less than that.
I guess (and its really anyone's until they spill the beans) the unlimited for what that is worth is going away and you will pay more for less data usage. I went with 4G and hope they keep the grandfathering for those of us that are already on it as I do use 4G at times and can use up to 10 gigs, but its rare. I like knowing its there if want to use it.
I would think 4G and more is where its all going at this point, certainly not the other way.

Forgot to mention the Inc2 has a locked bootloader and all signed radios that as far as I know, has not been unlocked through third party means yet, so that means no custom anything for now. HTC says they will unlock phones, but who knows how long that will take and if they mean only new phones or that includes older ones.
I would go look at the ghost town that is the Inc2 development forums on xda though to see if anything has changed.

why dont you just try it out and return it if its not for you. 14days ftw

Hmmmm. Sounds like I might do that.
I do a small amount of tethering with my Incredible, such as at work right now because we don't have wireless access, so I'd imagine that being able to root a Tbolt and tether with 4G would just be plain excellent.
Guess I'll chat with a Verizon rep and get the skinny on things.

SomeGuyDude said:
Hmmmm. Sounds like I might do that.
I do a small amount of tethering with my Incredible, such as at work right now because we don't have wireless access, so I'd imagine that being able to root a Tbolt and tether with 4G would just be plain excellent.
Guess I'll chat with a Verizon rep and get the skinny on things.
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I just had to send my Thunderbolt in for about two weeks and in that time I was using my DInc. while the DInc is still nice phone, boy did I miss the speed of 4G and my Thunderbolt.

I have a TB & I admit I'm a little biased, but I'm in a 4G area & I'll never go back to a 3G-only phone. My gf has a iPhone 4 & browsing the 'net is noticeably slower on it. 4G is like having a constant wifi connection & the speed is addicting. The TBs battery isn't its best selling point, but there are ways to make it last longer, esp if you flash a custom kernel. I'm not that familiar with the Inc2, so I can't say what its pros/cons are. It has a locked bootloader, so that could be an issue down the road
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The Inc 2 is not an upgrade from the original. If I'm not mistaken the dinc2 and tbolt have the same processor and RAM, but it comes down to the screen size, data capability, unlocked bootloader, etc. Coming from the original incredible as well, I would have sorely missed the rate of development with anything on Verizon but the bolt. This community is strong.
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From what I've heard, this is basically the new EVO, so once it gets all cracked open our community is gonna be roughly as deep and active as that, yes? If so, I'm sole 100%.

[Q] thinkin

ok im thint bad of king about switching to the g2x form my vibe and i was wondering is it really that bad of a phone. i keep reading all of these complaints and im wondering should i make the jump

Don't listen to what other people say. The phone is great, as long as it doesn't shutdown by itself. Screen bleed isn't as bad as people say. It's not noticeable with normal use... Only on a black background with Maximum Brightness, and in a dark room. It's blazing fast. Update baseband makes GPS lock instantly. Screen looks AMAZING. Build quality is really good as well. Don't forget that it runs stock Android... So development on this phone is great. Install any rooted 2.3.3 OTA ROM, or CyanogenMod 7.1 Nightly, and you're good to go.

omg thanks for yur input

As always, test one out in the store if you can. You might get a slightly different experience at home, though.
Just like there's plenty of phones with some problems, there's plenty of working ones as well.

G2toVibrant2.2 said:
omg thanks for yur input
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Haha, no problem.

FatalityBoyZahy said:
Don't listen to what other people say. The phone is great, as long as it doesn't shutdown by itself. Screen bleed isn't as bad as people say. It's not noticeable with normal use... Only on a black background with Maximum Brightness, and in a dark room. It's blazing fast. Update baseband makes GPS lock instantly. Screen looks AMAZING. Build quality is really good as well. Don't forget that it runs stock Android... So development on this phone is great. Install any rooted 2.3.3 OTA ROM, or CyanogenMod 7.1 Nightly, and you're good to go.
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I think this statement says a lot. To say a phone is great when it's not malfunctioning says a lot about the phone. If I were the OP I would not take that as a vote of confidence. That being said, OP don't buy the G2X, it's fine I suppose if you're someone unfortunate to have already purchased it and can't get out of it, but I would hardly suggest jumping on board with it at this juncture. My advice is to just be patient and wait for the Hercules or Nexus Prime. The G2X is an unstable phone that reboots itself and freezes randomly. Why jump onto a sinking ship? There are better options just over the horizon, wait for those.

mysterioustko said:
I think this statement says a lot. To say a phone is great when it's not malfunctioning says a lot about the phone. If I were the OP I would not take that as a vote of confidence. That being said, OP don't buy the G2X, it's fine I suppose if you're someone unfortunate to have already purchased it and can't get out of it, but I would hardly suggest jumping on board with it at this juncture. My advice is to just be patient and wait for the Hercules or Nexus Prime. The G2X is an unstable phone that reboots itself and freezes randomly. Why jump onto a sinking ship? There are better options just over the horizon, wait for those.
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I don't have any of those problems....

JaiaV said:
I don't have any of those problems....
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Neither do I. The only problems I have are a useless FFC, glitchy A2DP, and an uncertain future.
Still... someone who comes here asking for advice and reassurance before purchasing a G2x is well served by strong words of caution. This is the unfortunate truth.

Awesome phone. I've gotten good ones and bad ones... In my experience there were more good then bad..once you get a good one, then in my opinion everything else sucks (that's available now in us.).
Don't listen to others saying no. I sold a vibrant for this and couldn't be happier. Even having gotten a bad few, I still love this device..
Just imagine every g2x line all the good ones.. I think it would be hard to beat.

smashpunks said:
Awesome phone. I've gotten good ones and bad ones... In my experience there were more good then bad..once you get a good one, then in my opinion everything else sucks (that's available now in us.).
Don't listen to others saying no. I sold a vibrant for this and couldn't be happier. Even having gotten a bad few, I still love this device..
Just imagine every g2x line all the good ones.. I think it would be hard to beat.
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So the OP will have to buy a phone based on chance...?
Honestly, I've exchanged my phone once already (the only reason my first one went back is because I thought it had a faulty GPS...turns out they all do!) and I really don't want to be bothered calling T-Mobile every two days until I'm on my nth replacement to get one that actually works.
To the OP, honestly I think ever phone will have its own problems so you just gotta look at the forums to see which ones you can live with.
People's biggest complains with this phone is that:
It restarts randomly (FroYo and Gingerbread).
Has a screen bleed (although better in GB).
The GPS doesn't function the way it should (mostly people complaining from a bad lock on, I personally can't get it to stay locked on for an extended period of time, with RunKeeper it looks like I'm a drunk and spiking up to mountains and running over lakes).
EDIT: And the most annoying thing that happens to me since the GB update: slow downs into oblivion. The phone will become unusable at random times for a good 10 minutes, or until a battery pull (because I'm not able to shut it down since it is unresponsive)
Then there are some that don't experience any of this...

I say take everything people say with a grain of salt. Obviously people make rash comments that stem from their emotional instability. That being said. I recently purchased the G2x, after hearing a lot of complaining about it. YOu must realize, one is much more likely to go out of his way to make known a complaint, than a praise. Human nature I suppose.
The G2x I got, 2.3.3 July baseband, is flawless. It is an amazing phone. No restarts, no bleed, instant GPS lock.
Im not stating that there are bad phones out there, and I empathize with those that may have recieved a few, but let the first impressions go, and realize that they are not ALL bad.

Dude this phone is beast I had mind since launch and it works great everyday, u will be very happy, to the people still having trouble with there phones take it back get a new one and if its past the 14 days send it to LG u have a year

aquaitious said:
So the OP will have to buy a phone based on chance...?
Honestly, I've exchanged my phone once already (the only reason my first one went back is because I thought it had a faulty GPS...turns out they all do!) and I really don't want to be bothered calling T-Mobile every two days until I'm on my nth replacement to get one that actually works.
To the OP, honestly I think ever phone will have its own problems so you just gotta look at the forums to see which ones you can live with.
People's biggest complains with this phone is that:
It restarts randomly (FroYo and Gingerbread).
Has a screen bleed (although better in GB).
The GPS doesn't function the way it should (mostly people complaining from a bad lock on, I personally can't get it to stay locked on for an extended period of time, with RunKeeper it looks like I'm a drunk and spiking up to mountains and running over lakes).
EDIT: And the most annoying thing that happens to me since the GB update: slow downs into oblivion. The phone will become unusable at random times for a good 10 minutes, or until a battery pull (because I'm not able to shut it down since it is unresponsive)
Then there are some that don't experience any of this...
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Bud u need a new phone man, slow? This phone is still super fast after not rebooting for 3 days and GPS is almost instant everytime man

From what I've noticed this phone will give you what yuu put in to it. Like a car. To me with a lil tweaking n upgrades its better n faster than my girls nexus s. And im still on the old baseband.....feel like I bought a charger sxt n put a srt8 engine in it....the only complain I gave is my 4g....I use so much data that im always getting slowed down...like I said just like a car...llz
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Avoid it.
I dont see how someone can suggest buying a phone that with a few exchanges you might end up with a good one. That makes no sense. My G1 out the box worked, my Mytouch out the box worked, my Nexus One out the box worked, my mytouch 4g out the box worked, hell my HD2 running Android works better than my G2X, and yes, I have tried several.
Dont get me wrong as I must say WHEN my G2X is running right its balls to the walls fast. I think its probably the fastest Android phone available...as long as I dont need GPS or the phone hasnt shut its self off (if I could be so lucky as to have mine reboot) its not bad, not bad at all. Unfortunately I need my GPS, I am a truck driver and rely on my GPS.
I think honestly its an issue with dual cores right now, I would wait for a bit like others have said and pick up something a bit later. Perhaps even wait for ICS since I believe that will be more optimized for dual and quads.
Its your gamble. If you dont mind possibly sending it back, trying out another one with the clear understanding that its a crap shoot at best if its going to work or not go for it. Me personally? I would not buy it again knowing what I know now and what I have been through with this phone.

Ducter said:
Avoid it.
I dont see how someone can suggest buying a phone that with a few exchanges you might end up with a good one. That makes no sense. My G1 out the box worked, my Mytouch out the box worked, my Nexus One out the box worked, my mytouch 4g out the box worked, hell my HD2 running Android works better than my G2X, and yes, I have tried several.
Dont get me wrong as I must say WHEN my G2X is running right its balls to the walls fast. I think its probably the fastest Android phone available...as long as I dont need GPS or the phone hasnt shut its self off (if I could be so lucky as to have mine reboot) its not bad, not bad at all. Unfortunately I need my GPS, I am a truck driver and rely on my GPS.
I think honestly its an issue with dual cores right now, I would wait for a bit like others have said and pick up something a bit later. Perhaps even wait for ICS since I believe that will be more optimized for dual and quads.
Its your gamble. If you dont mind possibly sending it back, trying out another one with the clear understanding that its a crap shoot at best if its going to work or not go for it. Me personally? I would not buy it again knowing what I know now and what I have been through with this phone.
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I totally agree with this. The people in this thread that are urging the OP to go out and get this phone are not being realistic. Some people don't want to keep swapping phones until they get one that doesn't malfunction. Sure the G2X is a great phone WHEN IT WORKS. The problem is those times when it IS NOT working. For people who are locked into their phone and can't leave this may be tolerable. For people who don't mind having to hack their phone for it to have any semblance of reliability may be tolerable. However, for many people that is unacceptable. I think it's best that the OP at least be made aware of the reality of the situation (the state of the G2X and other phones coming soon) and let him make his decision. My opinion is that it doesn't make sense to jump on board with a phone that may potentially have to swap and swap over and over...a phone that even T-Mobile doesn't really want to offer support for anymore. To me it makes more sense to wait since there are better devices coming out in the near future.

If you're going to leave it stock then you may have issues. If you're planning to mod it and flash alternative roms then you're going to love the phone. The hardware is amazing. LG/T-Mobile's version of the android software is buggy.
G2X CM7

phburks said:
If you're going to leave it stock then you may have issues. If you're planning to mod it and flash alternative roms then you're going to love the phone. The hardware is amazing. LG/T-Mobile's version of the android software is buggy.
G2X CM7
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What he said is correct, stock form doesn't make the hardware justice. I have a vibrant and got my wife the g2x. The first one we got we returned due to random restarts and signal loss. Second one worked ok but returned and cancelled contract because Costco had it for half the price with accessories included. Now my wife hates me tinkering with her phones which I love to do. But after so much complaints from her about not receiving or able to make calls and phone slowing down I convinced her to let me install a custom rom. I installed eagleblood 1.05 and she hasn't complained once anymore and after setting it up and going back to my vibrant which I also run a custom rom and kernel, made my vibe seem to move slow as a turtle. And the screen just looked so much more vibrant as well. It also felt much more "comfortable" , "sturdy" in my hand than my vibrant. Bottom line is if you are lucky enough to get one that doesn't have hardware problems and you are willing to install custom roms on it, then go for it otherwise I would suggest you stick with your vibrant.
Sent from xda app on vibrant running trigger 3.3 beta2 with BALI 1.8.7 kernel

I am not even going to read all the posts but all I will say is this. Forget the G2x and get another device, preferably the Sensation.
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In my opinion, one in 3 or 4 of the original phones are good. I've ended up with one of the good ones after 5 tries.
As Sarni sez', this phone is a beast. Does everything I ask of it. Love the full page internet with Dolphin hd. I sold my Sensation and never looked back.
Now LG.......they just stink period.
But my G2X is awesome, everything works. I'm still on Froyo and rooted, I don't want the update.

Will I like this Phone?

Due to several issues with ATT support and service my wife and I paid our ETFs to terminate our contract. The other night we were looking at T-Mobile and found a cheaper but better plan then what is offered by ATT and the free G2Xs, we jumped on board.
My question is will we like this phone? I have been doing some reading and it sounds like there might be some hardware or software issues. What is the general consensus on this forum about the phone overall? I'm coming from an HTC Aria which was rooted and running an AOSP build and I love it. My wife is coming from a 3GS, which she loves but is willing to try Android.

My phone is perfectly fine, I've only run into reboots when messing with voltages in setCPU.
Cyanogenmod nightly and fauxs kernel works brilliantly.

If you like a crazy fast phone with amazing graphics rendering and fantastic sound then you will love the phone. With Gingerbread most of the problems have been mitigated. Plus you got in on the free deal so you can't beat the price.

You'll like it.
Bright Screen
Fast response
Stock Android
Ever since I updated 2.3.3 (did it only to get baseband) phone is solid. Had growing pains but I'm happy with it. Might just sell the myTouch 4G spare I have. I see no need to move back to it.
Just make sure its updated with latest 2.3.3 you can flash a custom ROM. Can't speak for 2.3.3 because haven't used a stock ROM in ages.
Hardware wise its best phone, despite the bad PR

Why come to Tmobile if you are trying to leave AT&T, when it is very possible that Tmobile will be AT&T soon?

I just got my free g2x. My reboots are only when the phone gets hot which is on the wall charger. When it's charging on my PC its fine. I love it though and will give it more time.
Sent from my Bug Free G2X using the XDA App

Yes i love mine im coming from a verizon thunderfart i love how fast it is plus love vanilla android
Sent from my G2X

seangprice said:
Due to several issues with ATT support and service my wife and I paid our ETFs to terminate our contract. The other night we were looking at T-Mobile and found a cheaper but better plan then what is offered by ATT and the free G2Xs, we jumped on board.
My question is will we like this phone? I have been doing some reading and it sounds like there might be some hardware or software issues. What is the general consensus on this forum about the phone overall? I'm coming from an HTC Aria which was rooted and running an AOSP build and I love it. My wife is coming from a 3GS, which she loves but is willing to try Android.
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Phone is awesome. LG/Tmobile firmware is decent with the GB upgrade. If you flash a custom rom to this thing then it is freaking amazing. Its a very powerful phone. The unlocked bootloader gives us so much freedom for customizing. Whether you decide to flash roms or not, use the nvflash tool in the development section to put clockworkmod recovery on your phones. Its much more useful than stock recovery, and if you ever want to flash a rom you're all set to do so. Just remember to revert back to stock recovery (using the same nvflash tool) if you have to ever return the phones to T-Mobile for any reason.

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I just got my free g2x. My reboots are only when the phone gets hot which is on the wall charger. When it's charging on my PC its fine. I love it though and will give it more time.
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RE: Heat, I found after a full restore it helps out, this was posted before I tried.
I set up a thread for how to start up a new G2x
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1198094&highlight=setup+g2x
Boils down to, do a full factory restore, inside privacy settings, when it boots up, go to Marketplace search "T-Mobile My Account", install that first. Then proceed as you will.
I have some old chargers for other phones that are the same sized, the stock one is 1w and the others I have are 700 mw and 800mw all 5 volts +/- .2
They charge slower, and keep the temperature down. I have like 3 of these hanging around.
Seriously after my full rest, the phone was noticeable cooler. This on 2.2 might not be valid on 2.3 but likely is

Thanks. I haven't had a reboot in a while but if or when I do I will follow your guide.
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defyguyftw said:
Thanks. I haven't had a reboot in a while but if or when I do I will follow your guide.
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Thats for a complete erase restore, not a reboot, which is why its for a new phone or one that you are prepared to have blanked

This phone is a beast! The only issue I'm having is with the visual voicemail app. Any thoughts, it will not progress past account setup
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seangprice said:
This phone is a beast! The only issue I'm having is with the visual voicemail app. Any thoughts, it will not progress past account setup
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Contact tmobile and have them setup your account with visual voicemail, it's free.

I love this phone, +1 for what everyone else said. Its got its issues but its still the best phone out there. The screen resolution IMO beats out any Samsung samoled, hands down. The bad news for you though is that it's more than likely going to be a snafu for you if you go with tmo. It looks like att will be buying them as of next year some time. I hear the FCC will approved this. I hope its not true. Gl
"a phone to make you numb, a phone to make you dumb, a phone to make you anybody else...
All the roms in this world... wont save you from yourself"

I'll take a year away from Att even if thats all I get.
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seangprice said:
Due to several issues with ATT support and service my wife and I paid our ETFs to terminate our contract. The other night we were looking at T-Mobile and found a cheaper but better plan then what is offered by ATT and the free G2Xs, we jumped on board.
My question is will we like this phone? I have been doing some reading and it sounds like there might be some hardware or software issues. What is the general consensus on this forum about the phone overall? I'm coming from an HTC Aria which was rooted and running an AOSP build and I love it. My wife is coming from a 3GS, which she loves but is willing to try Android.
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My phone works fine now after about 5-6 of them but their giving this phone away for free for a reason and that's because its a piece of crap. Never has a phone with this good a specs gone down in price so quickly and even given away for free for the second or third time. Probably should of got a HTC Sensation or MT4G Slide would of definitely been better of.
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My previous phone was a HTC Aria, small and under powered compared to the new phones on the market. That being said I love the Aria; easy to root and very durable. I have looked into newer HTC devices and I have "read" that the sensation has some design issues or flaws with the screen? Digitizer? I don't think you'll find a phone out there without problems. I gave the G2X a try because I didn't want to spend any money on new phones considering I have paid my way out of an ATT contract. If the Phone is crap I can go back to my unlocked Aria.

You will run into many problems like auto shutdown/reboot, screen bleed and hit/miss wifi. This phone doesn't work out of the box. Don't waste your time on this phone. I would wait for next Nexus or a Galaxy S2.

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You will run into many problems like auto shutdown/reboot, screen bleed and hit/miss wifi. This phone doesn't work out of the box. Don't waste your time on this phone. I would wait for next Nexus or a Galaxy S2.
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Have you ever considered running errant apps has caused your problems? My G2X has been updated to GB, never reboots, never lockups, the wifi is perfect and screen bleed is a non issue. I never use my phone in a dark room with the brightness turned all the way up with a black background. That is the only way to see the so-called screen bleed. All IPS backlight displays have it, and I have had it on every notebook I have ever owned. It is normal and for normal usage a complete non issue. I am using my phone stock and unrooted.

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Have you ever considered running errant apps has caused your problems? My G2X has been updated to GB, never reboots, never lockups, the wifi is perfect and screen bleed is a non issue. I never use my phone in a dark room with the brightness turned all the way up with a black background. That is the only way to see the so-called screen bleed. All IPS backlight displays have it, and I have had it on every notebook I have ever owned. It is normal and for normal usage a complete non issue. I am using my phone stock and unrooted.
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Many people have had reboots and freezes with no apps installed but anyway the phones that have bad screen bleed are way worse than you think I had 1 of those
Other 2 I agree not a problem but there are/were
Some out there that were awrful.
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[Q] hows the Inspire .?

sprint has finally pissed me off to the point im REALLY looking to jump ship . and i get a really good deal on 4 phones and would save about 60 a month over what im paying atm with sprint .
data cap is not a problem since im on wifi mostly
so im asking how easy is the phone to root ? hows the rom's and CM7 ?
thanks for any advice

Love the Inspire(of course people here are biased though) the roms are definitely pretty good, CM7 has been my main one forever, it runs great, gets great battery, and is really just good quality in general. But with all the good stuff i have to say about the phone, I HATE AT&T with a passion after all of my experiences with them since I got this phone. The rooting process is easy, I highly recommend the phone, but AT&T is horrible and I would never recommend them to anyone. EVER.

Jake33108 said:
Love the Inspire(of course people here are biased though) the roms are definitely pretty good, CM7 has been my main one forever, it runs great, gets great battery, and is really just good quality in general. But with all the good stuff i have to say about the phone, I HATE AT&T with a passion after all of my experiences with them since I got this phone. The rooting process is easy, I highly recommend the phone, but AT&T is horrible and I would never recommend them to anyone. EVER.
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thanks for the info

I love the phone. Its super fast, once rooted. I can't really tell you how easy it is to root as I didn't use the hack kit. Only bubby's and If the phone is new it'll have the gingerbread update and you'll have to use the hack kit. I read its about the same. Plan alot of reading and then half hour to root.
I been with ATT for about 7 years. The dude above most have some wierd personal issues cause in 7 years I have had to talk to ATT maybe 3 times and when I did I got exactly what i wanted. Last time I got a free Iphone 4.... I find them to be a good company. My Only issue is sometimes text messages take 20 minutes to arrive......By the time I or the wife get them I am standing next to her. Lol but even that doesn't happen all the time.

tweaked said:
I love the phone. Its super fast, once rooted. I can't really tell you how easy it is to root as I didn't use the hack kit. Only bubby's and If the phone is new it'll have the gingerbread update and you'll have to use the hack kit. I read its about the same. Plan alot of reading and then half hour to root.
I been with ATT for about 7 years. The dude above most have some wierd personal issues cause in 7 years I have had to talk to ATT maybe 3 times and when I did I got exactly what i wanted. Last time I got a free Iphone 4.... I find them to be a good company. My Only issue is sometimes text messages take 20 minutes to arrive......By the time I or the wife get them I am standing next to her. Lol but even that doesn't happen all the time.
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Same here. I've been with ATT going on 7 years and have had no problems. When I've had to call cs I haven't had any issues. As for the Inspire its great. It was my first android and was able to root it my first try with bubbys method. I'm currently on the virtuous unity beta even though the final build is out cause its that smooth.
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The other guys are probably right, AT&T isn't as bad as I make them sound, I've just grown to hate them after countless hours on the phone with them. Granted most of my problems have actually been with my TV/internet services, although I did have a few issues with updates when I got the Inspire but I think they have that sorted out now. I'm mostly just bitter about my "4g" being slower than the 3g my sister gets on her Incredible and how horrible Uverse has been for me.

Switch to Inspire you'll love it.
I previously owned the iPhone 3GS, and one day i saw this phone at best buy for free and said screw it ill switch. I switched, and ill NEVER go back to Apple, or any other brand of phones other then HTC. Unless Apple drops their dumb restricts and creates something REALLY REALLY amazing.
you'll love this phone.

I love mine. Got it off eBay for cheap used, has a dark spot behind the LCD but doesn't affect anything. But long story short I love it. Master has a mt4g and have to say if I where to pick the inspire would come in first hands down . You cant really go wrong for the price it's going at att, you have a 8mp camera, duel flash, enough ram on board and about 1gig memory. CM7 is awesome on it, same goes for the Miui roms and if you like sense unlike me you'll enjoy the great selection of sense roms
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Ya no probs with at&t either, and love love my phone.
I too used bubbys, and it was hecka easy. If you ever wonder about htc, check out some videos on their testing process, it will amaze you the things they put their phones through. They test the heck outta them.
And ninjas rom is amazing, right now 22 hours since last charge, and 65% still left on my battery. Freekin love it.
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I had my original inspire stolen, I bought a sgs2 and yet for some reason I bought another inspire because I couldn't get it out of my head. [OT]Sense blows[OT] but a stripped version of CM is amazing.

I love my inspire 4G. And think I was about to get an atrix over this? Haha! I should slap myself! I too have been with at&t for a long time. They always solve all of my issues. Never had a problem with them.
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[Q] To upgrade or not to upgrade?

Basically, i'm up for an upgrade on my account with AT&T and trying to decide if I want to get the Skyrocket or wait until something better comes out. Currently I have the LG Optimus 3D, or "Thrill 4g" as AT&T likes to call it. Its nice, pretty snappy and has the whole 3D gig which is a novelty at best.. The plan is to pass that one to my wife when I upgrade.
I really just want to hear some negatives about this phone. I've read a lot of reviews and 90% of them are about all the great features that are listed right on the box and thats not what I want to hear about.. I want the problems.. the things you cant get to work, apps that wont run correctly, your pet peeves with this phone. So that I can decide if your pet peeve would also be a deal breaker for myself(or anyone else reading this thread in the same situation).
I come here because I know you all will have poked and prodded the phone so much by now that you know everything there is to know about its REAL pros and cons.. the ones that matter, not "it didn't fit in my pocket" and "i like my iphone better".
Much appreciated in advance!

Other than the actual size of the phone, I haven't had a single problem. And the size doesn't bother me anymore.

Only complaint I have is that bluetooth sometimes disconnects and shuts off, can only be fixed by a reboot. I think this has been fixed in most recent UCLA3 update, but have only been on that version a couple days so too early to say for sure. Otherwise a decent phone.

If you don't need the cutting edge I say upgrade. If you do I'd wait 6 months and there will be something worth upgrading to.
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I have passed my rocket on to my wife and got a note,the only issue I ever had with the rocket was if I paused music from my bluetooth headphones the phone and headphones would loose connection and I would have to go into settings and reconnect them,other then that I was very happy with it.I will say this though the skyrocket screen don't compare to the HD note screen.

abteer said:
If you don't need the cutting edge I say upgrade. If you do I'd wait 6 months and there will be something worth upgrading to.
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I do like having cutting edge but I haven't heard about anything coming out any time soon that is competing that heavily with the S2 Skyrocket. Not enough to make me wait 6 months for an upgrade, at least..

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I have passed my rocket on to my wife and got a note,the only issue I ever had with the rocket was if I paused music from my bluetooth headphones the phone and headphones would loose connection and I would have to go into settings and reconnect them,other then that I was very happy with it.I will say this though the skyrocket screen don't compare to the HD note screen.
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For me the Note is too big, I'm not interested in a tablet as a phone.. If I were to get a tablet it'd be a separate entity. I need something to have with me in my pocket at work and when out to sea(I'm in the Navy). That's just my preference/situation tho, but thanks for the input!

Overall I haven't had any problems with mine that wasn't rom/software issue. I wish I could give you a few this sucks or that sucks but all and all it a great phone. I'm bad about jumping out off my truck with mine in my lap and still no cracks. Pretty close to unbrickable unless your a real moron, worse thing I can say about it is it's the first phone that I have been throttled every month I've had it (since november 6th) but the ****ing phone has so many radios in it change apn, flash t mobile radio that doesn't let lte come on and waaaaa laaaa keep on downloading. I want to upgrade to the note but I'm afraid it just won't add up. Sure we don't have a real cm, or a mui, but who gives a **** when we get ics and the way google releases new **** we will have had ics so long we are sick of it to just like we are with gingerbread.
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The note is the only thing that for awhile will be on the skyrocketa level and I went and saw one yesterday and its huge way to big for me nice looking screen though
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Skyrocket is a really good phone, but I can't say it is a great phone. The CPU feels like it is a generation behind. 3D, UI, Xvid Playback all choppy in comparison to phones with Exynos CPUs. Dev support seem to be lacking, but it is slowly improving. LTE on the hand is amazing.
I feel that 3.5 months in, I'm already looking forward to Nov 2013 when my contract is up.
With that said, is there a better phone out there yet? No. If I needed a phone today, I'd still get a Skyrocket or a Note.

Thanks for all the fast feedback everyone! So far a great help. The fact that so many people - not only in the uneducated world but in the developers world - have had little to no complains about the phone speaks wonders. Probably going to head in tomorrow to pick up my own Skyrocket.

Unless you just get one that is made on monday or friday. You know the days lemons are made. You won't be disappointed
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