Will there ever be a day when the Xoom sees other OS ports or just plain operating systems that can run on the cpu?
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I know I am a noob and probably asking a dumb queshtion but is it possible to dump the whole Android os and download W7 or ?
I know with my home computer I assembled all the pieces and then bought the OS. loaded it and walla it worked. can I do the same for the Gtab? unitnstall everything and start freash on a windows platform?
liljohn said:
I know I am a noob and probably asking a dumb queshtion but is it possible to dump the whole Android os and download W7 or ?
I know with my home computer I assembled all the pieces and then bought the OS. loaded it and walla it worked. can I do the same for the Gtab? unitnstall everything and start freash on a windows platform?
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Uh?.. I'm thinking no, the ARMv7 Processor was not designed to run intel based operating systems.
short answer: no
Operating systems require drivers. This is the same reason when you install linux on a computer you have to go searching for those pesky Broadcom drivers so your wireless works. There has been some progress in porting a whole operating system to a device not intended for it (Android on HD2 is the furthest progressed as far as I know), and there are some ROM's/launchers to bring the WP7 experience to Android.
if you're talking about Windows 7 i'd say no way! even with the announcement of Windows 8 running on ARM....
Ok thanks.
Ya if your looking for the layout or widget stylings check out "7 widgets Home Plus", plus one of my coworkers just bought a windows 7 phone and has had 3 viruses in 1 week. I am by no means an anti windows person...just not the best mobile enviroment as they have proved time and time again...
Windows can not run on ARM processors as the code is not made for it. That's why you see x86 and x64 editions of Windows, it only supports those processors.
However, Windows 8 promises ARM support as well as increased tablet usability, but its Microsoft, so who knows.
You don't really need Windows anyways.
So I have a smart phone running the Android platform and I know there is an x86 Android project to run it on a full desktop/laptop system.
I also found a DosBox app for it, which I haven't tried but I hear people have gotten Windows 3.11/95 to work on.
Also with the webtop on my phone it can run a full Debian Linux install.
My question is in two parts:
A. Has anyone tried to port this to other mobile phones (Windows, RIM, iOS, etc...) yet?
B. Has anyone tried to port any other OS's to Android?
I mentioned iOS specifically in A. because some MacFans really like their OS and might not want to give up that functionality and it might make people more willing to adopt the platform.
I'd have posted links to cite references, but I'm still under restriction for being new.
I have seen several QEMU setups, specifically on the Nexus One, Evo 3D, Xperia Neo, and other devices, all running various versions of Windows XP, 98, or 95. I'm looking at the source now. Is there any reason someone hasn't tried to run the Windows CE (PocketPC or WinMo) kernel within QEMU or can it only emulate x86 operating systems?
http://wiki.osdev.org/QEMU#Supported_Architectures
http://wiki.embeddednirvana.org/ARM_Emulation_Using_QEMU
So according to these articles, ARM emulation is possible.
ARM
QEMU booted into the ARM port of Fedora 8
QEMU emulates the ARMv5TEJ instruction set and all the derivative processors families like ARM7, ARM9E, ARM10E and XScale. It emulates full systems like Integrator/CP board, Versatile baseboard, RealView Emulation baseboard, XScale-based PDAs, Palm Tungsten|E PDA, Nokia N800 and Nokia N810 internet tablets etc. QEMU also powers the Android emulator which is part of the Android SDK (most current Android implementations are ARM based). Under development is iEmu, emulator of Apple's iPhone. Starting from version 2.0.0 of their BADA SDK, Samsung has also chosen QEMU to help development on emulated 'Wave' devices.
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I have seen several QEMU setups, specifically on the Nexus One, Evo 3D, Xperia Neo, and other devices, all running various versions of Windows XP, 98, or 95. I'm looking at the source now. Is there any reason someone hasn't tried to run the Windows CE (PocketPC or WinMo) kernel within QEMU or can it only emulate x86 operating systems?
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I've had limited success booting a custom x86 Windows CE 4.0 NK image with the newer WinCE QEMU port for the HD2 but I wouldn't call it usable. CE booted and I could see the mouse cursor but the desktop never appeared. There are real CE drivers for most of QEMU's hardware on x86, so it might just take a bit of fiddling if the ARM qemu builds aren't just broken.
Bochs was able to boot the image fine but it was pretty slow and only worked in the 320x200 VESA mode. One of the newer mobile Bochs builds for Android worked a little better and displays in a higher resolution but it's still slow and lacks networking. I haven't had as much success with QEMU. It seems like there are major differences between the generic c/c++ CPU core for all architectures and the x86 one and I"m pretty sure QEMU runs some x86 code natively even in user mode. It's either that or the mobile versions are quick hacks with some dirty workarounds that break the more obscure OSes. The difference in compatibility between different processor architectures in the same build is evidence enough of that. Though, I haven't tried them in an ARM debian build yet.
And as cross platform as it is, QEMU seems highly optimized for x86 these days. So many OSes that have problems on ARM qemu work just fine on a desktop. It seems to me like QEMU-x86 wasn't ever really extensively tested on ARM and the other less used archs. There is also a newer QEMU port based on 1.x in the Android Market called Limbo which I have yet to try but the current versions use VNC so video output is pretty slow.
If you want to give it a go, the following Windows CE based PDA platforms had x86 images available: Handheld PC 2000, Pocket PC 2002, Smartphone 2002, Pocket PC 2003/SE, Smartphone 2003/SE and of course the generic builds from 2.0-7.0. Most of these will boot on a sufficiently compatible PC with the right nudging and it should be possible to cook custom ROMs with appropriate HDD drivers if you prefer Windows Mobile and know how to modify WM2003 ROMs.
You might want to keep an eye on QEMU-KVM for ARM Linux too. If it ever works well enough on android, that may be able to virtualize an ARM CE image at near native speeds. QEMU does emulate a few CE compatible dev boards but I'm not sure if anyone ever successfully booted CE on them as they're mainly for testing Linux and don't emulate everything.
Edit: Here's a few YouTube videos I found demonstrating an early build of KVM-QEMU booting Android and Ubuntu on a Cortex A15 running Ubuntu:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWzoanrsaCI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uD5Nu-VrHKI
Color me impressed! If CE can be ported to one of the boards QEMU emulates, (almost) native CE on countless Android devices seems very possible. Porting it on an emulator/VM is likely easier than running it on the metal.
Also, here's a thread about the Raspberry Pi's debian and QEMU. Based on the comments, they seem to have the same odd issues the WinCE and Android ports have.
http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=62&t=10635
I was curious about this, if the android smartphones/tabs powered x86 intel processors can be used such that we can install desktop windows or other x86 OSes?
Unlikely as we would need to build drivers for the phone which is rather difficult when the manufacturers like to have things on lockdown most of the time, also it would probably brake some strange contract with Microsoft as most things do. Look at the Surface and Surface RT
Also the UI (Even Metro) would struggle to work on the display adapter
So in short no we can't run Windows on x86 Android phones, yet anyway
Install Android in Windows without Virtual box
I tried this product DuOS which will install Android version Jellybean in Windows 7/8/8.1 platforms. This one is very simple for use comparing with Bluestacks and has good performance for applications. Refer the link for further details and installation check the website for amiduos:good:
I really like the idea of the ubuntu phone, hdmi out etc, but I do need android for my daily use, whatsapp,waze etc.
So, will I be able to switch between them or do I just pick one os when I buy it and have to stick with that?
Yes, it is possible to dual boot your android device. There are many methods and ways to run two different Android ROMs or OSs on your device simultaneously. For this, you can get help from experienced XDA developers who can dual-boot your phone on two different operating systems. You can dual-boot any basic level phone easily.
For instance, Android OS and Firefox OS can run on your device at once. It is very much similar to your personal computer which can run both Windows and Linux OS at the same time. Moreover, it is totally safe to dual-boot your Android devices, and it wouldn’t directly affect your phone's speed and performance.