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Thank you forums, I love you! Anyone get caught by Sprint for tethering?
10GB+ a month and no complaints from Sprint. My phone is my primary source of internet.
sweet thats good, i was prob pushing 2 gB max and was getting worried about getting caught...
How do u know how many gbs your using? For example, how much is 10gbs? how many hours on the internet is that? Or does it even work like that. Just curious cuz im tethering now as of yesterday I finally got it working and LOVE IT but dont wanna get a suprising $1000 phone bill,lol.
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How do u know how many gbs your using? For example, how much is 10gbs? how many hours on the internet is that? Or does it even work like that. Just curious cuz im tethering now as of yesterday I finally got it working and LOVE IT but dont wanna get a suprising $1000 phone bill,lol.
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You can just keep track of the MB count at the bottom of the screen of the tethering program.
Is that up or down?? Also this story makes me VERY nervous!!!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7141935.stm
also i think in your bill it states how much data is being used
Been tethering for a couple of years with no issue. I never could get internet sharing to work to WiFi router then ps3 though. for a while, I had Bluetooth modem. setup, so blackberry would auto connect when at the house. With WiFi tether though, BAMMM. I play socom with it, and watch Justin tv; its sick I tell you. Sick
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How do u know how many gbs your using? For example, how much is 10gbs? how many hours on the internet is that? Or does it even work like that. Just curious cuz im tethering now as of yesterday I finally got it working and LOVE IT but dont wanna get a suprising $1000 phone bill,lol.
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Every website carries a different ammount of data, some websites are less than 1 MB or 1/1000 (ok, so 1/1024) of a GB. Some are far more than that especailly with animations and flash. Streaming Audio and Video eat up big chunks.
You can go into Device Self Maintenance on your phone and it has an option to show data usage. I think some ROM's remove it though. And I think that because my phone is the primary line I have options that my wife's hero doesn't. Bill pay and what not.
Then again, Fresh ROM 1.1 doesn't have it in there and I have no clue what to tell you to select to find it. You could also log into Sprint.com and look at your bill, it has current data usage.
I too am happy to see the 10GB+ post. I've been tethering for over a year, first with windows mobile, and now with wifi-tether. On windows mobile things always went slow most of the time, so I never passed up 5 gigs in a month. Now that I have the hero, I've been using it a lot more since it is my primary source of internet. It goes really fast and I love it. I'm happy that now I don't have to worry quite so much about the usage. I don't see myself hitting the 10gb mark any time soon.
WiFi tethering is uber cool
OK wasn't sure if I wanted to post in an existing thread or ask this in a new one. Obviously I chose the latter. I'm gonna kind of play Devils Advocate here and wonder aloud: If the carriers are leaning on manufacturers to lock down their bootloader, kernels, etc... mainly because people are using the Hotspot and Tethering features without having to pay for it like everyone else.. IS there a good case for them?
I ask because I have never tethered or anything like that. (No need with a 22 Mbps cable internet connection) I wonder about this and kind of liken it to deciding whether to buy a CD (or pay for a digital download via Amazon or the like) or just to jump on a torrent site and download it for free. We can debate all day about the morality of something like that, but in the end, it is what it is. Theft. (To some degree) So is this what "free" tethering on rooted phones is like?
Since I have never tethered, I have an honest no-s*it question: Does using the tethering feature dig into one's data plan? Since the carriers are roundly getting rid of "unlimited" data, this brings up another issue. IF tethering, whether free on a rooted phone or legit on a stock phone, does use one's data, then I'd think the carriers' argument is a weak one. If a rooted user wants to tether and not pay for it, and before long hits that magic cap and is throttled down to a slow trickle, then hasn't this problem solved itself?
I just ask since I find the HTC issue pretty disturbing. I love the openess of the Android platform and would like to see that live on. I'm just trying to conceive why HTC (and other companies) OR the carriers themselves are so hostile to the rooting/dev community. Just looking for some input and a little edumacation on the tethering issue.
I don't really think it's much to do with tethering, as most carriers throttle down data speed after a certain amount of usage per month.
I think it's more about selling more phones. Pretty soon, phone hardware will reach sort of a plateau. I mean for now, if you want to run the latest OS and the latest software, you need a reasonably modern phone. In a year or two, your modern phone will be old news, but since it came with 2.1 Eclair and a bunch of bloatware and the Sense interface, all you'll have to do is root it, S-off, and flash a CM7 rom with A2SD and you'll have a practically brand new, whole different phone, capable of much better performance than before. The locked bootloader is an aim at preventing this trend from continuing into the future. They dont get rich by making the longest-lasting phones, they do so by selling the most phones year after year.
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Thats a good point. I was hearing it was the tethering issue that had the carriers up in arms. So I actually hear JUST now that HTC has decided to unlock the bootloaders!! I'm not 100% it's legit, but if it is, then I (along with EVERYONE else in this community) am a pretty friggin happy guy!!!
It is weak and just more gouging by the carriers! I teather all the time on an unlimited data plan, since I have no other connections at home....
As far as I am concerned it is NOT theft.. tethering is NOT a service, nothing new and not limited to any one brand of phone device. You pay for a data plan, are confined to the data caps of your plan "if any" and the speed of your phone regardless if the data comes up on your phones LCD or your laptop's.. period.
Not related. You can tether whether the bootloader is locked & encrypted or not. You don't even have to have root ie pdanet.
So from what I'm gathering, it DOES come out of your "data allotment". Well, I'd say any carrier complaining about this is full of it then. And I do realize tethering is possible on ANY capable device... just wondering about how the carriers charge extra for it. Which to me now, seem weird. Especially with the new limited "unlimited" plans. Like with our phones... we pay for it (monthly data plans), we should be able to use it however we damn well please.
I agree with the notion that rooting phones keeps them updated and alive longer meaning we don't need to buy phones so often unless we really want to.
Back in the day, after 2 years with one phone, we'd be killing for a new one, now, we can easily make our phones last that long.
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So from what I'm gathering, it DOES come out of your "data allotment". Well, I'd say any carrier complaining about this is full of it then. And I do realize tethering is possible on ANY capable device... just wondering about how the carriers charge extra for it. Which to me now, seem weird. Especially with the new limited "unlimited" plans. Like with our phones... we pay for it (monthly data plans), we should be able to use it however we damn well please.
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Bingo!!!!!!
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Thats a good point. I was hearing it was the tethering issue that had the carriers up in arms. So I actually hear JUST now that HTC has decided to unlock the bootloaders!! I'm not 100% it's legit, but if it is, then I (along with EVERYONE else in this community) am a pretty friggin happy guy!!!
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I agree 100%
Let's face it, 5 gb of data is nowhere near enough for one month! I've seen posts about how to rid your phone of being throttled. Before I go through with this, has anyone done this yet? Looking to see if t-mobile caught on to anyone and said anything. Thanks!
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Just use WI-FI when you can. A lot of places offer it free.
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At home I always do, but days at work and weekends kill me during the month. There's no open wifi near my work... In NYC... Go figure
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Its done from tmobile's servers. No way around it ): unless you can sneak into the servers at tmobile's headquarters on a stealth mission and hack their mainframe by holding "x".
Dayum I thought I consider myself a heavy data user and I generally use a tad over 2gb/month lol.
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there is a way to do it but from what I read it works for some people and not for others. So I think it is a crapshoot. I would be really careful. I agree that 5 gigs is not enough. I am almost over my limit with 10 days to go and that is with using wifi alot of the time. I was thinking of doing that fix also but I dont kmow. Also I dont think anyone had problems with tmo.
I wouldn't say that hack works for anyone. I got the text a few months ago about halfway through my cycle, but my speeds were never throttled although I was told they were. I would say that is what happened with those it "worked" got.
Yeah cI just dont like the idea of messin with the system that much and I mean my phone's system. I dont mind doing root and doing little things but my phone has run like a champ since day one and I got it about two weeks after relese date. I waited for the GB update to come and my phone still ran fine after that although I did not see much improvement. I was not impressed with the GB update so I rooted the phone. I am afraid that if I keep messin with it I am going to ruin a good thing. I should be happy with what I got. I am running xboarders tweeked ota and it runs like a champ. If I screw around and brick my phone I have no one to blame but myself.
I just got off the phone with customer service and it turns out that you. An get a 10 gig data cap plan. I think it was $55 it brought my monthly bill to 95+ tax
Its not that bad now I also have unlimited texting AZ well. This month I used 4.6 gigs so far and 60 minutes and 3 texts and I have 5 days left I. My bill. Cycle
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Dayum I thought I consider myself a heavy data user and I generally use a tad over 2gb/month lol.
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2 gigs is enough for anyone who doesn't stream a lot of video. When I see these people who use 5 gigs in 10 days I know they have to just be living on netflix.
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Im a power user i stay on wifi when i can or use 2g if its just a basic app like xda or pulse been 3 weeks only used 1.45gb
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I dont do alot of video althought I do do some dut I am constsantly on Sirius-xm and fm radio. Also I use weather and news widges hat take up alot. I also use google music which You can make music available off line but that doesnt always work it still uses alot. I do a fair amout of going on youtube but in no way it is close to most of my data
Charlie
Thanks for all the input. Like I said I have no available wifi at work and also tethering to my netbook frequently during the month too. I like I'm just going to run into t mo and see about either upgrading data plan or adding a tether plan. I'll post a result. Also for those rooted, try out the miui rom. Much different from when I flashed it months ago. Fast, smooth, stable, and just well... Works! Never been so happy
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Let's face it, 5 gb of data is nowhere near enough for one month! I've seen posts about how to rid your phone of being throttled. Before I go through with this, has anyone done this yet? Looking to see if t-mobile caught on to anyone and said anything. Thanks!
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I totally agree! I originally thought I was grandfathered in to the old unlimited data plan, but I got throttled about 15 days into last month! Essentially makes the phone completely useless for anything but calling or texting which oddly enough is not what I use this phone for the most. I got a google music beta account last month, uploaded my entire collection and have been streaming over my phone at work. Apparently google does not compress the audio stream and it ate up my bandwidth quite fast!
The thing that gets me about this is that I have been paying for the most expensive plan they have, I'm now at almost 100 a month and I still have only 500 minutes, and am throttled at 5gb. It just seems like I get less and less as the price goes up. Once more they told me that the 10gb limit plan was not compatible with my plan??!?! WTF??? Granted, I would rather be throttled instead of charged for the overage, but I still feel like I am being completely jipped by this whole thing. They also told me when I was on the phone complaining, that they were now going to start charging me for tethering as well, REALLY?!?!?! I thought that was rather amusing, and would have laughed at the rep, if I wasn't so pissed off about rest of the conversation I was having with them.
Ironically they offer all kinds of t-mobile sponsored apps for HD video streaming and the like, which a heavy user might get maybe 1/3 of the month of use out of. I just really don't understand the direction that carriers are taking these days. Its definitely not in the best interest of the consumers.
It's so easy to get around tethering charges that they might as well not even exist. Even a friend of mine who's so tech-illiterate he doesn't even update his market apps figured out a way.
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I totally agree! I originally thought I was grandfathered in to the old unlimited data plan, but I got throttled about 15 days into last month! Essentially makes the phone completely useless for anything but calling or texting which oddly enough is not what I use this phone for the most. I got a google music beta account last month, uploaded my entire collection and have been streaming over my phone at work. Apparently google does not compress the audio stream and it ate up my bandwidth quite fast!
The thing that gets me about this is that I have been paying for the most expensive plan they have, I'm now at almost 100 a month and I still have only 500 minutes, and am throttled at 5gb. It just seems like I get less and less as the price goes up. Once more they told me that the 10gb limit plan was not compatible with my plan??!?! WTF??? Granted, I would rather be throttled instead of charged for the overage, but I still feel like I am being completely jipped by this whole thing. They also told me when I was on the phone complaining, that they were now going to start charging me for tethering as well, REALLY?!?!?! I thought that was rather amusing, and would have laughed at the rep, if I wasn't so pissed off about rest of the conversation I was having with them.
Ironically they offer all kinds of t-mobile sponsored apps for HD video streaming and the like, which a heavy user might get maybe 1/3 of the month of use out of. I just really don't understand the direction that carriers are taking these days. Its definitely not in the best interest of the consumers.
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You and I are in the same boat. I use google music everyday including both ways on an atlantic city trip last weekend.. Ate my data alive. I'm also in a grand fathered plan which I may which out of. Heading into tmo after work today. I feel I'd have better luck in person than over the phone. Plus if they give me a hard time I'll root all their androids, install custom roms, and have customers go back to the store because it wasn't like the phone they saw
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Just my 2 cents, being well versed in corporate routing and switching, throttling is handle at a hard ware level either on the router by your ip address or on the swtich by your mac address. Doing anthing locally to your phone isnt going to bypass throttling in anyway. Youre taking a gamble trying to hack you phone to bypass this, if anything the only thing that your seeing is a placebo effect.
okay a couple of things first to those using the google musice beta you can make your whole music collection available offline so you dont use your data just look aty the settings and if you can do it over wifi so you dont use any bandwith.
Second to the people who want to change your plan and add gigs to data you have to change your plan to the new value plan which is cheaper by about 10 bucks then you can add a unlimited data with a 10 gig high speed cap. I did it yesterday over the phone and I usually have no luck with customer service but I actually got one who spoke perfect english and understood exactly what I wanted to do. I almost fell over of a heart attack it was great. They transfered the rep that I usually dealt with in my local store. The new ass that replaced him was tring to sell me the LG slate which is a sweet tablet but not what I wanted. He had the balls to tell me that there was a $300 migration fee to change to the new value plan from my at the time current even more 500 plan I was on. When I told the customer service rep that she started laughing and said he was full of **** and not in those words. Cant wait to go back to that store and give him a pice of my mind. but anyway sorry to go off on your post I hope this helps ytou guys with the G music problems.
Charlie
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Its done from tmobile's servers. No way around it ): unless you can sneak into the servers at tmobile's headquarters on a stealth mission and hack their mainframe by holding "x".
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i'm sorry, you say that and all i can think of is Freddy Wong's vid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vn_wS497CIQ
So I got my letter from ATT the other day saying that they have detected tethering software on my phone and that if I dont remove it by 12/31/12 they will automatically bump me up to the 5GB tethering plan for $50/mo
Whats the best way to resolve this and still be able to run custom roms? Ideally I would still like to be able to tether for free (obviously) but at the very least just be able to not pay the $50/mo and still run custom roms.
I spoke with a customer service rep and told her I had no idea how to tether and asked if they could just put a block on it or something, and she said no, the software has been detected and it has to be removed.
Maybe I should call back and ask for supervisor?
Alternatively she said if I go into the att store and they can look at my phone and see that there is no tethering software, they can make a notation on my account.
So I suppose I could unroot, go into att store, have them note the account, and then root again.... that would probly be my last resort.
Thanks in advance for any help!
No, you do understand the second you tether they can detect it right? They also aren't idiots and can tell if you're running a custom ROM as well
I've heard about Verizon reps commenting about custom ROMs before
So you flashing back to stock and showing them there's nothing on the phone does nothing.
If you don't want to be charged then stop
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I disagree, because if they make a notation on the account and they have proven that they can't find any programs or software to remove when I bring the phone into the store, then there is no way they can charge me.
But even if I didnt want to tether (which I have not tethered in quite a while and still got the letter) it would see to me that they are detecting the software (rom) and seeing that I have the ability to tether, so how do I run a custom rom (and not tether) and still not get charged?
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I disagree, because if they make a notation on the account and they have proven that they can't find any programs or software to remove when I bring the phone into the store, then there is no way they can charge me.
But even if I didnt want to tether (which I have not tethered in quite a while and still got the letter) it would see to me that they are detecting the software (rom) and seeing that I have the ability to tether, so how do I run a custom rom (and not tether) and still not get charged?
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They wouldn't make a notation on the account because tethering is possible with the stock software, there's quite a few apps on the market that allow this. So you could just uninstall it.
You didn't get the letter because of the custom ROM, you got it because you violated your contract by tethering. It may have taken them some time to send out the letter.
They have detected it so they will be watching for future violations
So my suggestion stays the same, stop tethering or pay for it
Pretty simple
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What Phil said although you may not agree with att's rules on tethering...its in the contact and you signed to it so you will get taken off your plan and to the 5gb plan if you continue
Gotcha, thanks for the input guys.
I am fairly new to ATT (came from Sprint)
Does this apply to wired tethering as well? Does someone using wired tether (such as pdanet) still have to pay, or is that free?
The way I think they catch people is # of hops it does to terminate data and packet sniffers so I'd just stay away even though pda may be a bit safer will LTE around theyre hunkering up
For the sake of mentioning this--its a topic which has been raked over in every phone forum, Android, Apple etc nd tablets too.
Doing a general and specific search on the Net seems to point to mostly theory. When I owned my previous iPhones and jailbroke, I used MyWi. However, the devs made it clear you could be caught.
That notion aside-many of us and this includes me, believe it comes down to being abusive with the tethering. Of course many would disagree but if you cared to specifically search iPhone sites and focused mostly on AT&T, it somewhat became clear they knew we were tethering since algorithms change when tethering. In conjunction, we also surmised they went after people who had unlimited data plans and really used the heck out of it.
I personally have tethered many times and many people I know too but we didn't use it too long. I've never gotten a notice from ATT but it doesn't mean they aren't watching. Not be be a jerk but your op is a topic I've seen literally hundreds of times. Everyone claims the same thing but no one seems to admit they abuse it. They noticed you for a reason is what it comes down to. I should also mention I've tethered my HOX as well.
In my personal opinion I believe we should be able to get a free amount of gigabytes to tether. Once over it, then you get charged. This is just a real touchy subject.
These are just my opinions.
Jon
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I tethered without a tethering plan for years, first on my jailbroken iPhone and then on my HOX until I switched to the Mobile Share plans that include tethering. I never got caught, but I was also very careful not to abuse it by, for example, streaming video, moving large files, or doing things that a phone would never do untethered like updating my laptop's software.
I am convinced, from watching this issue over the years, that AT&T does two things: They mainly go after the data hogs, flagging people for tethering detection when they get close to or over their data caps; they also run spot checks on random accounts. Detecting tethering, should you get their attention, is dead simple, by the way. There are any number of ways to confirm it.
Once you're on their radar screen, the jig is up. Your only choices are to stop tethering or get a tethering plan.
Hi all - I think I've finally watched enough videos and read enough crap over the last couple months to convince myself to pull the trigger on the OP7P. Before I do though, I've got a few questions I'm hoping you guys can put to rest for me.
Deals? Is there anything on the horizon where we anticipate this phone going on sale that I should be aware of? If I can save a hundred bucks or something by waiting a month, that's cool by me.
Should I purchase any of the additional screen protection or extended warranty services offered via OPO's website? I know there have been concerns in the past with OPO's customer service and whatnot. I haven't really come across much regarding consistently faulty hardware, but please let me know otherwise.
WiFi Calling - I'm currently on AT&T, so would like to know if WiFi Calling will work in the immediate... but I also hate AT&T and would like to jump ship soon. Is there a definitive list somewhere regarding what networks allow WiFi calling with this device and which don't?
Anything else you wish you knew before buying your OP7P? I'll likely be going with the 8g/256g black variant.
Thanks for any input in advance. It's greatly appreciated. :good:
1. If they end up releasing another phone this year like they have the past two, then it will probably drop around $50-$100. But to my knowledge there hasn't been any discussion about that happening.
2. I think this depends on your usage. For me, I have only dropped a phone once in the past 7 years and it was because of a headphone wiring getting caught on a chair. So i never go for additional protection. If you are less protective of your device on a regular use basis, then maybe consider it. Phone does come with screen protector installed so simple scratches and not a worry.
3. Not totally sure because i use Mint running off tmobile. I image there is probably another thread with all the info you could need on the subject somewhere on here or maybe someone else will answer below me.
4. Not really an issue, but the device is quite a bit heavier than expected. But like anything else, you get used to it.
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3. Not totally sure because i use Mint running off tmobile. I image there is probably another thread with all the info you could need on the subject somewhere on here or maybe someone else will answer below me.
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How do you like Mint? That's one of the alternatives I'm considering moving over to. Do you get WiFi Calling on that service? I have crap reception at my house and without WiFi Calling phone calls are super hit or miss. Thanks for your input!
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How do you like Mint? That's one of the alternatives I'm considering moving over to. Do you get WiFi Calling on that service? I have crap reception at my house and without WiFi Calling phone calls are super hit or miss. Thanks for your input!
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Mint has been great for me. Speeds are fast enough that i don't care to compare numbers with any other carrier. Wifi calling also works perfectly on OOS and Custom ROMs. If you don't need unlimited data, I always recommend it. Going from a $90 phone bill to $20/$25/$30 per month depending on your pay period is really nice.
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Mint has been great for me. Speeds are fast enough that i don't care to compare numbers with any other carrier. Wifi calling also works perfectly on OOS and Custom ROMs. If you don't need unlimited data, I always recommend it. Going from a $90 phone bill to $20/$25/$30 per month depending on your pay period is really nice.
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Beautiful. Sounds like exactly what I'm looking for. Thanks for your time.