They don't have 4g network here in the uk yet yet there's folks selling 4g sensation's on ebay
Question: so they work on 3g network now and when 4g becomes available next next year you will update via firmware to enable 4g?
Well, keep in mind that the Sensation "4G" isn't really 4G at all, but merely HSPA+. It's more like 3.5G: an enhancement on 3G networks that let you get up to ~21Mbit/s connections. It looks like there are a couple of networks running HSPA+ networks in the UK; in fact, Three UK looks to be aggressively expanding theirs (I'd post a link, but I'm new and the forums don't let me).
AFAIK the 4G that TMous in the USA are referring to is the same as the 3.5G we have here in the UK and which shows up as "H" on your phone, which is short for HSDPA. I am sure somebody will correct me if I have that wrong.
Other posts in this and other forums have said that the TMous Sensation 4G is identical to the Sensation we get in the UK.
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Could someone please tell me if there are two different versions of HTC Sensation. Are there 3G and a 4G versions available? The one I have ordered does not even mention anything about 4G. Thanks
krico said:
Could someone please tell me if there are two different versions of HTC Sensation. Are there 3G and a 4G versions available? The one I have ordered does not even mention anything about 4G. Thanks
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they're all the same phone. It's not really 4G, just the US mobile providers using the term to try to 1-up their competition. Therefore only the tmous version will be Sensation 4G.
All the phones should be capable of 14Mbps HSPA+ tho.
Xnifex is right, 4G is the rage here in the states so everyone is trying to talk it up to entice buyers. HSPA+ is all we have on T-Mobile and the other 4G networks are small so eh.
I believe that I read somewhere that the Euro version IS capable of the same theoretical network speeds, it is just not advertised as 4G.
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I believe that I read somewhere that the Euro version IS capable of the same theoretical network speeds, it is just not advertised as 4G.
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I just studied the specifications and, yes: Both versions are capable of the same speeds. 4G is just a marketing term T-Mobile (and other carriers) like to use.
In Europe (at least where I live), carriers don't usually advertise as being "4G" capable, even if they have started running LTE networks. I've seen advertisements for "HSPA+ speeds", LTE directly as well as "Air to Fiber" to highlight the carriers backend.
I don't think there are GSM/UMTS/LTE smartphones on the market right now, it is still a "future technology" for some time to come.
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Xnifex is right, 4G is the rage here in the states so everyone is trying to talk it up to entice buyers. HSPA+ is all we have on T-Mobile and the other 4G networks are small so eh.
I believe that I read somewhere that the Euro version IS capable of the same theoretical network speeds, it is just not advertised as 4G.
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Correct yet again
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its all 3.5g
get a n8 and you'll see it pull down the same speeds as any of tmobs "4g" phone
This is also the reason I want to change my notification icons from having the 4G to saying H+
Does anyone know for certain whether the US Sensation will operate at 3G internationally? I know it's got the 2100 frequency, but it appears that the phone may only connect in 4G or 2G mode. If I get a local SIM in France or Italy, for example, will it operate at 3G data speed, like my Vibrant does?
Has anyone actually verified this on the ground in Europe?
Thanks.
It'll do 3G. Tmobile's 4G is actually 3G/HSPA+, but thanks to their wonderful marketing, they started using the 4G name to get ahead of AT&T.
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It'll do 3G. Tmobile's 4G is actually 3G/HSPA+, but thanks to their wonderful marketing, they started using the 4G name to get ahead of AT&T.
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Yeah, I understand the marketing overhype in the naming, but I've seen a bunch of posts that seem to indicate the phone is either operating in 4G or 2G mode. I happen to live in a weak 4G/3G location, and all I've seen on the phone display is 4G or 2G. Is the 4G icon being displayed when it's really connecting 3G? Has anyone seen a 3G icon on this phone?
I called both TMO and HTC tech support but neither one could answer this question with certainty.
I may be over worrying, but I really don't want to get to Italy later this year and be stuck with EDGE the whole trip.
It's got the 2100 frequency for WCDMA, so you should be fine in europe.
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Yeah, I understand the marketing overhype in the naming, but I've seen a bunch of posts that seem to indicate the phone is either operating in 4G or 2G mode. I happen to live in a weak 4G/3G location, and all I've seen on the phone display is 4G or 2G. Is the 4G icon being displayed when it's really connecting 3G? Has anyone seen a 3G icon on this phone?
I called both TMO and HTC tech support but neither one could answer this question with certainty.
I may be over worrying, but I really don't want to get to Italy later this year and be stuck with EDGE the whole trip.
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Some of us are under the impression that Tmobile locked it to the 4G icon on the phone. They did the same with some other phones. When root is achieved & you are able to swap out the icons you'll probably see a difference.
Hi im waiting for my sensation toarrive....My confusion comes from References to Sensation 4g...In the uk we dont get 4g so mine will not be the 4g,But tools like Temp root all refer to the 4g and dont mention the 3g?
I dont want to brick my shiny phone when it arrives so is anyone able to ellaborate any diffs between the 4g and the uk version? Is the 4g GSM or CDMA? Is the 4g on tmobile??
Sorry if this has been asked i dont want to seem like an arse
The guides work for both, just that most users on here seem to be American. The European model isn't 4G
It is basically just a naming difference, american carriers like to advertise as being "4G" even when they are only operating 3G networks, and the phone is only 3G capable (like T-Mobile US - they call HSPA+ "4G", which is a technology most modern networks have implemented at this time and is most definitively "3G").
I don't think there is any GSM/UMTS/LTE-capable phone from a major manufacturer available in the market (or even announced) at this point. There are, however, some USB datasticks that are LTE ("4G") capable.
And while the UK may lag a bit behind in LTE coverage compared to some countries of continental europe (although it really doesn't matter all that much at this point), LTE trials are being conducted in the UK at this time.
The Sensation and Sensation 4G are both capable of exactly the same speeds & standards.
Don't be fooled by all the "4G"-marketing, it is exceptionally meaningless.
There are a couple here in the US. Verizon and MetroPCS both have LTE.
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Both are CDMA/LTE-carriers, not really comparable.
AT&T has started building a LTE-network as well, but their phones advertised as "4G" are still regular GSM/UMTS-phones (typically HSPA+ capable).
Which further reinforces my point, "4G" has become a meaningless marketing-term slapped on anything to suggest extraordinary speed to the uninformed.
Thanks guys,Great help as usual! Confusing though when US call it 4G and UK call is HSDPA or 3G+
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Thanks guys,Great help as usual! Confusing though when US call it 4G and UK call is HSDPA or 3G+
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Just wondering.. Since UK considers the 10mbs+ some people get as 3g still, what speeds are considered 4G there? Not trying to flame, just curious.
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It's not about speed, but technology - only LTE is considered "true" 4G over here, while HSPA is still very clearly a 3G technology.
Where I live, providers advertise with HSPA+ and LTE directly, A1 marketed "air to fiber" to highlight their supposedly fast backend.
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It's not about speed, but technology - only LTE is considered "true" 4G over here, while HSPA is still very clearly a 3G technology.
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And you folks are much more accurate in your description. Have to love marketing BS here in the States.
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It's not about speed, but technology - only LTE is considered "true" 4G over here, while HSPA is still very clearly a 3G technology.
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I see... So maybe carriers are are advertising 4G speeds and not technology. Makes sense to me. Are speeds there about the same on "3g+ "?
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And you folks are much more accurate in your description. Have to love marketing BS here in the States.
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Lol yea.. I I just signed a contract with America's largest 4G network and constantly get 200–500kbs on speedtest.
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Well when i had my Hero, Editing the build.prop line which said *something*gprs.class=10 to 12 i got 6-7mb download,which was enough to tether to my pc and HOST Modern warfare 2 with no problems
Hi,
I always have long and complicated questions to ask, so I usually don't get much help, probably cause I'm Canadian
I have Bell Sensation 4G. It operates on HSPA+ from what I understand. It's a "sort of" 4G.
Anyways, when I run ICS ARHD, I get H symbol. Yes, I've talked about this topic a lot, but in other aspects. Now I'm just curious about the other phones in US, and if I am actually connected to "4G" networks.
What I want to get to the bottom of is I see mentions a lot of the T-Mobile 4G sensation. Is this specifically because all other Sensations on other US carriers are not 4G capable? Or are every one of them exactly the same, and operate on the same network type (HSPA+)? Essentially making them all the exact same networks and speeds as my Bell unit?
The reason I ask is I'm pissing around with the H, H+, 4G, etc. png icon files in the "systemUI.apk". Just trying to learn what's going on behind the scenes.
I note in there that the files are named as such
"H" icons are named as files like "stat_sys_data_connected_h.png".
"H+" icons are named as files like "stat_sys_data_connected_hplus.png".
Being that on ARHD, "H+" is never used. I am now wondering if I am even connected to HSPA+. I mean, if US carriers other than TMO don't use HSPA+ then that would be reasonable that the standard US based ROM isn't setup to properly connect to the Canadian network? The icon files are there, but they are not being used, so is it because I am not on 4G, because other US phones dont get 4G? Flashing the TMO option gives me the same thing, so maybe because our networks are different?
I understand that there is a mod to switch the TMO version to "4G" icon. But is that simply switching the icon names? Yeah cool I can do that and give myself "H+" icons to make myself happy, but I'd really just like to know if I am even connected to the proper network speeds, and it all has something to do with the radio version and ROM. (afterall, I did fix my 350ms PING to Speedtest.net by flashing stock Bell RUU, so it further makes me think I am not on correct network speeds, rather than just an icon issue)
If you're asking if you're still getting 4g, yes you are.... That is if your phone is capable of 4g... I have tmo sensation 4g and have the H icon... The speed is the same.... No changes at all... I can flash the 4g icon but decided not to... H don't bother me at all since there are no changes in the speed... Sorry if I misunderstand your question in any way, it was just too long to read and I'm getting cross eyed
Some phones in the US don't have 4g capabilities... Usually the older once...
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I know it's too long to read but I don't know how else to explain it, and make it shorter. I just am wondering if T-Mobile 4G HSPA+ is exactly the same as Bell 4G HSPA+?
Put it this way...with ARHD 6.5.x ICS, am I getting the same 4G as I would be with the stock Bell Canada RUU? Everything seems centered around T-Mo 4G, nobody ever talks about Bell 4G!
In my opinion, it depends how strong hspa in your area... I don't think Rom or the phone matters, as long as it can accept hspa signals.... It might matter with the radio thoughh... Don't worry about the long explanation, it was just me thats the problem ...
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I have seen so many posts and threads here saying H icon is for 4g connection. I am from UK we don't have 4g yet its all 3g still my sensation shows me H icon. On my old Nokia n97 it was showing 3.5g ? It's really confusing.
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The connection that we call 4g ( atleast with tmo) is actually 3.5g. I'm not sure with the LTE technology though....
There's three different 4g types, fastest is LTE then hspa and last WiMAX.... So when you see H its considered 4g as for hspa
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T-Mo doesn't even have much of any hspa+ in the first place... if you look in network settings on the phone, it almost always says hsdpa and never hspa+... along with hspa+ not even being close to 4G.
I came across this when trying to make sure I am doing it right. When installing ARHD it asks if I have a tmobile sensation 4g - I have an unlocked Bell/Virgin Mobile one and have been hitting yes. It seems to work okay, but should I be saying yes to that, or no, because it is a Bell/Virgin one with different bands? Is it just to get the graphical band display? Does it have any impact on performance or the radio?
Hello everyone! So I was wondering if there was a way my HTC one s (s4 version) can get 4g or not? I live in the UK and I'm on giffgaff, but I checked on willmyphonework.com and it doesn't say it works there on any carrier, but on YouTube a few people have 4g on their HTC one s!
Any ideas? Thanks
It doesn't support 4G LTE, which is probably what you'd be after. It does do HSPA+, which is (or was) sometimes considered 4G (it's not a rigid term; "4G" just means "4th generation"), but it's nowhere near as speedy as LTE. Basically, HSPA+ is a souped up HSPA, so it is a bit faster than top-speed 3G, but LTE is a different standard that's based on different technology.