[UPDATE] 09/15 First review come out of this case for Touchpad in this thread.
Thanks nunjabusiness!
#34:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=17562879&postcount=34
[UPDATE] 09 09 Hey,all
6 cases sent out untill now, here you are the tracking number:
1,RF067640677SG U.K A**n
2,RF067640663SG U.S.A n**s
3,RF067640650SG Denmark j**c
4,RF067640646SG U.S.A D**n
5,RF066367926SG U.S.A L**o
6,RF066349220SG U.S.A J**n
Tracking web is: http://www.singpost.com.sg/ra/ra_article_status.aspx
Because there are too many people PM me, we decided to temporarily increase the quota. There will be a more comprehensive review.So we have 6 users to review untill now but the last 2 will be ship out 2 days later for the right to review transfer.
Thanks for your all support!
[UPDATE] 08/29 The event of users call was end.Please looking forward next time. Thanks for your all support. If you are interest in it please looking forward the review.
Hello,everyone
We need 5 guys from worldwide to use this case and do a review at XDA.
1,send me a PM. We will choose the first 5 members to ship the case.
2,Provide your information as: XDA ID+Shipping information
3,We need $6 shipment cost to worldwide. This money just a nominal fee.If you cant accept please don't send the PM.
4,Post a detail review at XDA. You can post your review follow this one or post it separately then send to me the link.
Note:After received the confirmation PM but did not complete the paypal payment within 24 hours, review rights to be transferred. The order extended in accordance PM sent.
Thanks!
Here are the pics
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PM sent for opportunity
I'be been looking for a good slim case.
PM sent
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Pm sent.
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Thank you all. There are 5 guys sent PM to me. please looking forward their review.
u said its international shipping, isnt it??
u said its international shipping, isnt it??
just bought a touchpad, and looking into how to install Android to it
been on this forum and the others for few days, wish the best to u all.
and thank you for the job !!!
Err... are these cases for sale? I'll buy one.
Yea.. kinda want to buy one.
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Seems like it's this one: http://electroniccrap.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=54_58&products_id=65
right?
Found it here as well..
http://www.amazon.com/Acase-TouchPad-Quality-Premium-9-7-inch/dp/B005HMUSOO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1314037391&sr=8-1&tag=5336653508-20
maxxur said:
Seems like it's this one: http://electroniccrap.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=54_58&products_id=65
right?
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You are correct, that is the official 'CLIP from electronicCrap. Looking forward to seeing the reviews as well as getting my personal one tomorrow which also means they will be state side tomorrow!
Looking forward to trying this out. It appears to at least have the same basic design, with the multi-fold flap for different display angles.
The TP is really slippery as is, so I expect I will like being able to grip it better.
PM sent in hopes that this is still available.
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PM sent in hopes that this is still available.
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GOOD NEWS , I have seen the case on the web electroniccrap.com now
Ordered this same case, it's due for delivery tomorrow. I'll post a review with pics as soon as I slap it on. Reminds me of my Scosche case for Galaxy Tab 7. Loved that case.
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You are correct, that is the official 'CLIP from electronicCrap. Looking forward to seeing the reviews as well as getting my personal one tomorrow which also means they will be state side tomorrow!
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I pulled the trigger and ordered one of these from electronicCrap
I'll report back once I get mine in the mail. Was not overally keen on the choices from ebay and amazon.
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You are correct, that is the official 'CLIP from electronicCrap. Looking forward to seeing the reviews as well as getting my personal one tomorrow which also means they will be state side tomorrow!
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Steve, are you saying that xjarl is who you are getting your "clip" cases from?
Bandage said:
Ordered this same case, it's due for delivery tomorrow. I'll post a review with pics as soon as I slap it on. Reminds me of my Scosche case for Galaxy Tab 7. Loved that case.
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Got mine yesterday...and have to say I love it as much as the Galaxy Tab version. Snug fit, and so functional. STILL charges on the touchstone even with case ON!
I'll snap some pics here later on today.
Did anyone that sent a PM to the OP receive a response or a product from him so far?
Cross-posting from another thread. This style of case is very nice.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=17188296&postcount=45
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Alright here we go. I just listed the dock on ebay. Auction starts at $.99 cents plus shipping. Everyone has a chance this way. Good luck.
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why cant i just buy it off you now?
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why cant i just buy it off you now?
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Because I'm trying to be fair to everyone that wants it. It wouldn't be right for me to sell it to you when so many have already asked me before you. Sorry!
fair enough... ill post a bid then
so can you not like get this dock any more or something?
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so can you not like get this dock any more or something?
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If you can get lucky and find one at a TMO store, but I doubt it. They aren't making anymore.
Is there a possibility for worldwide shipping? I'm from Brazil and my chances for getting to a T-Mo store are zero (finding a Desire Z around here was an epic quest already)... So my only chance for finding this one-of-a-kind dock is through a eBay auction.
Thanks in advance and sorry for the bad english!
Btw this is my first post here... Really great forum, lots of great stuff and resources!
How much would shipping be to Australia?
wow already at $46!
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i wish i could bid, but due to shipping restrictions, only people who live in US can bid I'm from Canada and I WANT THIS DOCK
wow really $51 already? :S
i thought this thing cost like $20usd
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wow really $51 already? :S
i thought this thing cost like $20usd
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It's because people don't know how to bid on ebay. A 6-day auction starts at .99 cents and someone bids $15 right off the bat. There's still 6 days left! Save your big bidding for the last 5 minutes of the auction. That's of course, from the buyer's point of view.
From the seller's point of view however, it's great! I've been there. ROGUE7474, well done sir, you are gonna make a good profit on your sale
*disclaimer: in case someone here gets hurt by my comments, it's just my opinion, bid away.
ericHNI said:
Is there a possibility for worldwide shipping? I'm from Brazil and my chances for getting to a T-Mo store are zero (finding a Desire Z around here was an epic quest already)... So my only chance for finding this one-of-a-kind dock is through a eBay auction.
Thanks in advance and sorry for the bad english!
Btw this is my first post here... Really great forum, lots of great stuff and resources!
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j03uen said:
How much would shipping be to Australia?
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Mushyho said:
i wish i could bid, but due to shipping restrictions, only people who live in US can bid I'm from Canada and I WANT THIS DOCK
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I just revised the listing to allow international buyers to place a bid. Look towards the bottom of the description for a rough estimate of the shipping costs. Good luck.
ROGUE7474 said:
I just revised the listing to allow international buyers to place a bid. Look towards the bottom of the description for a rough estimate of the shipping costs. Good luck.
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Thank you ROGUE7474! Now at least I have a chance.
Wow so much interest. Maybe I should do the same with mine since its just collecting dust.
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Wow, cant blame the seller here, but people are stupid. $65? Its a $20 retail item from anywhere online or Tmo stores.
klmsu19 said:
Wow, cant blame the seller here, but people are stupid. $65? Its a $20 retail item from anywhere online or Tmo stores.
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can you PM me a place to find them online, then? because everyone seems to be out, or else clueless to its existance, both in store and online.
klmsu19 said:
Wow, cant blame the seller here, but people are stupid. $65? Its a $20 retail item from anywhere online or Tmo stores.
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Obviously you have no idea how hard these things are to find . Next to impossible .
Wow, now $82
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sell it!
Cheeze[iT] said:
Wow so much interest. Maybe I should do the same with mine since its just collecting dust.
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Maybe u should! Ill give u 25 for it right now!
Hi Guys just a heads up really, I tweeted Gear4 regarding the powerpad asking if it's qi compatible, they replied today saying it is, I've just ordered one from ebay for just under £14 delivered, I'll let you know if it works when it gets here. :fingers-crossed:
G4RNY said:
Hi Guys just a heads up really, I tweeted Gear4 regarding the powerpad asking if it's qi compatible, they replied today saying it is, I've just ordered one from ebay for just under £14 delivered, I'll let you know if it works when it gets here. :fingers-crossed:
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link please?
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link please?
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HERE although looks like they are out of stock
next cheapest is HERE
Ordered. Thanks!
Hmm, I'll believe it when I see it, but fingers crossed.
woop cheers for this ordered hope it works
Here's hoping this works, would be nice for us to have an affordable charger here. I'm still dubious after the whole Nokia chargers not working and I cant find much on this one, is not even on the gear 4 website
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looks to be true from gear4
https://twitter.com/GEAR4
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Update 1:
from googling it looks like gear4 are in the wireless charging consortium and they are all for Qi see http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=10610883
Update2:
well after checking the member list of the consortium i cant seem to find them
http://www.wirelesspowerconsortium.com/member-list/
Update3:
I cant find it in their "official" product list either hopefully it does work but maybe hasnt been ran through any tests or they may of lost or not paid for their membership ?
http://www.wirelesspowerconsortium.com/products/
knowlesy said:
looks to be true from gear4
https://twitter.com/GEAR4
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Not sure why you had to post this as OP had already done so...?
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Update3:
I cant find it in their "official" product list either hopefully it does work but maybe hasnt been ran through any tests or they may of lost or not paid for their membership ?
http://www.wirelesspowerconsortium.com/products/
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I think it's not in their product list because it's been out for a while. If you look at the ebay listing for it the title shows that it comes with a charging case for an iPhone 3GS. I know this is an Android/WinMo community so people may not know much about iProducts but the 3GS came out in 2009. =P
Be careful, as suggested in jimmygoska's post this product is quite old. There is a review of it from november 2009 here.
The QI standard was released in August 2009, and the first compatible products were from Energizer in late 2010. I think the chap from gear4 made a mistake!
I wouldn't trust the current of that thing pumping power into my expensive N4. It looks like some knockoff plate with questionable electronic quality, IMO.
looking at a few youtube videos somethings just occurred to me will the n4 actually fit?
it's a fair bit bigger than the 3gs
before you start no im not talking about the sleeve i'm talking about the tray area of the pad
its a bit late for me seeing as i've already ordered one so if you see me selling it then you know it doesn't work or the tray is too small
ajpettit said:
looking at a few youtube videos somethings just occurred to me will the n4 actually fit?
it's a fair bit bigger than the 3gs
before you start no im not talking about the sleeve i'm talking about the tray area of the pad
its a bit late for me seeing as i've already ordered one so if you see me selling it then you know it doesn't work or the tray is too small
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The N4 is only 1.8cm taller and 0.6cm wider than the 3GS without the case on it. I can imagine the wireless case for the 3GS adds more than that.
I hope so
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Ordered one from amazon. will arrive on monday. Hopefully will work.
How well does it charge your phone and how fast?
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No one knows we'll let you know when we receive them, Monday or Tuesday
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Well, I have sad news. The gear4 PowerPad is not compatible with nexus4.
It simply does not react to the phone
As expected really.
Really, well that's sh*t, haven't even received mine yet, when I do it's going straight back
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HI! I broke the glass on the back cover. Don't you know where can I buy this cover?
PMed you.
I need one, too. Can you PM me?
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Was the OP able to get his hands on a replacement back? I am curious to hear about it. This would eliminate the need to use cases and whatnot if the replacements aren't very expensive.
I don't need one but would like to know if any are available able. Can you please post publishing of you know where that are avaliable?
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Was the OP able to get his hands on a replacement back? I am curious to hear about it. This would eliminate the need to use cases and whatnot if the replacements aren't very expensive.
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I'm curious, too, as the back cover isn't just glass and plastic. I can't paste links yet but iFixit shows the back cover contains electronic components:
A number of pressure contacts power the NFC antenna and connect the induction coil needed for wireless charging to the motherboard.
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It would seem to me that even without the glass component, replacement backs would be a lot pricier than other models'.
A I bought one off eBay a couple days back. Guy said he bought a couple straight from LG but was only selling one. I won it on eBay. I bought it as an extra for my nexus but I guess if someone needs it really bad I'm willing to sell it to them.
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I also need one
Can you PM me where to buy this?
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A I bought one off eBay a couple days back. Guy said he bought a couple straight from LG but was only selling one. I won it on eBay. I bought it as an extra for my nexus but I guess if someone needs it really bad I'm willing to sell it to them.
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Sent a pm
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damn... A lot of broken backs
Does anyone have a price yet?
Can you pm me too lol
I think all of us would be interested
I'm afraid I need one too.
Why the secrecy? I haven't been able to find one and was surprised to see that OP is only pm'ing about the price and stuff.
Anyway, I'd appreciate if anybody could sell me one or recommend where to purchase it.
Thanks
I don't need one, but, out of curiosity, how much did the original seller pay? I'm wondering what the cost to repair this phone might be in the future if need be.
If I ever break my back, though, I'll probably just get a full body case to hide it.
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Hey guys, so the seller shipped it, I'm in Canada so it ended up being a little more for shipping costs... about $75 in total. Lets wait and see what it's like when I get my hands on it. Also no clue how much he got it for, I messaged him numerous times and all he would say was that he bought it from LG and he repairs phones so its legit. Mentioned that he bought a few but was only selling one...
Hopefully when it arrives I can answer some more questions.
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Hey guys, so the seller shipped it, I'm in Canada so it ended up being a little more for shipping costs... about $75 in total. Lets wait and see what it's like when I get my hands on it. Also no clue how much he got it for, I messaged him numerous times and all he would say was that he bought it from LG and he repairs phones so its legit. Mentioned that he bought a few but was only selling one...
Hopefully when it arrives I can answer some more questions.
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How did you contact the seller? Would you mind sharing contact details? I can't seem to find any spares online except for the digitiser.
So like I mentioned before I bought ONE on eBay. The seller posted on xda first (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2042898). I have PMed him constantly on both eBay and here and he has not responded. Sorry guys I wish I could answer all the questions in the PMs you're sending me but I'm just as much in the dark as you!
Let the product arrive and then I can let you know how legit it it, and then I might sell it. BUT I DO NOT HAVE IT YET. AND I ORDER ONE!! Lol.
To everyone requesting the back cover
I will have more in the next few days. I only put the one on Ebay because I had an extra. I have tried to answer as many pm's as I can, but it has been difficult due to power outages. I don't know what the end user would be charged if they called in to LG, but I was only doing this to help out fellow XDA members. I'm not not trying to profit off of these, but i'm sure if & when they are available to the public, somebody will take advantage. Like I said in my initial thread, if anyone has questions about the construction, please ask, & as far a legitimacy, it has a pn#, otherwise I wouldn't have been able order it.
Hello folks,
Found the Samsung adapters listed overseas. German site, i used Babylon to translate the page. Sent them a request for more information. 25.70 eur = $29.28 dollars
the name of the site is telefon.de/Fitnesstrackerzubehoer-Smartwatch_g120_8685/Samsung-Band-Adapter-Gear-S2-dunkelgrau_p2518364
being a new member i was not able to post the link as indicated but put in the http with :// and you will be there.
Samsung Band Adapter für Gear S2 dunkelgrau bei telefon.de kaufen. Versandkostenfrei ab 40 Euro!
http://www.telefon.de/Fitnesstracke...sung-Band-Adapter-Gear-S2-dunkelgrau_p2518364
zathus said:
Samsung Band Adapter für Gear S2 dunkelgrau bei telefon.de kaufen. Versandkostenfrei ab 40 Euro!
http://www.telefon.de/Fitnesstracke...sung-Band-Adapter-Gear-S2-dunkelgrau_p2518364
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Looks good, I like this one because its the same color as the watch. The Case Mate one is silver.
Just ordered mines thanks for the info
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Just ordered mines thanks for the info
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Keep us in the loop please. How long it takes to get to your house. quality Exedra. I almost ordered one but I'm hesitant
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Yes, keep us updated. My ocd is kicking in with this silver adapter lol.
Is there an option to order this to be shipped to the US? When I went to the site I only saw Germany as the country option. Maybe if I try a computer browser instead.
I was very tempted on ordering the case-mate band/adapter. I would have ordered it if it wasn't for the adapter color. I know I would not have liked the clash in it. I'm on the fence if I want to trade my 3g in for the new classic 3g. I'm only really holding out in hopes that maybe t-mobile will start carrying the new LG watch and if so I may try that out instead.
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Yes, keep us updated. My ocd is kicking in with this silver adapter lol.
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Ya I got sick of them being sliver. If you are good at working with metal and know how to control the temperature of metal, you can flame color it without annealing the steel.
It turns a bronze color.
You can also color them black if you have the chemicals, it is called black oxide. It blackens steel, I have to get me some of the chemicals for my knife making.
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Well i just got a reply from them and they do not ship overseas. Well at least we know that Samsung has them for real and we will get them in the USA soon. Ill keep looking around the net to see if i can find someone to ship here.
case mate adapter?
Is there a link for the case mate adapter you guys mentioned. I have the silver s2 and am looking for that color specifically.
Thanks.
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Is there a link for the case mate adapter you guys mentioned. I have the silver s2 and am looking for that color specifically.
Thanks.
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Literally one post below this...
Well forgive me but a least on the device I am using I do not see what you are referring to
You can find it here.
Good luck
http://www.case-mate.com/collections/types?q=Samsung Gear S2
Anyone lived over there they can buy these and then redistribute ?
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You can find it here.
Good luck
http://www.case-mate.com/collections/types?q=Samsung Gear S2
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That's for the band, which comes with the adapters, but do they sell just the adapters?
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That's for the band, which comes with the adapters, but do they sell just the adapters?
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No
case mate straps
the case mate straps no longer come with the adapters. so thats out.
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the case mate straps no longer come with the adapters. so thats out.
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WOW,
sneaky little rascals. well we will have to wait of them to be available through Samsung for the moment. But i do work with folks from overseas so I'm checking that avenue as well.
I just sent a note to my buddy in Italy, to see if its available there and i also sent him the link to the one in Germany.
Lets see what happens with that.
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the case mate straps no longer come with the adapters. so thats out.
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So how do they attach to the watch, did they switch something up or did you call and ask someone who didn't know what they were talking about?
Here is the email
[email protected]
Not sure if iy was deleted because i dont have the email posted or repost but here it is.
Not mine just email him.
I had the note 8 battery case and other accessories now the note 9.
Everything is in exchange of a review in amazon
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Here is the email
[email protected]
Not sure if iy was deleted because i dont have the email posted or repost but here it is.
Not mine just email him.
I had the note 8 battery case and other accessories now the note 9.
Everything is in exchange of a review in amazon
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Do you have a link to the item itself though?
Interested in seeing what the product looks like.
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Interested in seeing what the product looks like.
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Same. This post seems a little sketchy.
What product?
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I dont understand how hard is it for people to email someone about it and its free lol
Im sharing it and i dont get anything from this just helping out the guy who helped me get the case for a review
Ill post link to previous note 8 battery case i found these from
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I dont understand how hard is it for people to email someone about it and its free lol
Im sharing it and i dont get anything from this just helping out the guy who helped me get the case for a review
Ill post link to previous note 8 battery case i found these from
https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?ur...share_tid=3726411&share_fid=3793&share_type=t
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I have, going to be working with him to write up a great review. Thanks for this.
Email sent, crossing fingers it is legit.
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Email sent, crossing fingers it is legit.
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It is, I placed my order this morning and I have already been reimbursed the cost.
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I dont understand how hard is it for people to email someone about it and its free lol
Im sharing it and i dont get anything from this just helping out the guy who helped me get the case for a review
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You don't understand why people would be skeptical about random people giving away free ****, who don't use a company email address, and are given a minimal amount of info?
Go figure...
entropism said:
You don't understand why people would be skeptical about random people giving away free ****, who don't use a company email address, and are given a minimal amount of info?
Go figure...
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Like it will cost you a leg or an arm to do it to be skeptical
Yeah I have a little problem with email he sent, "We are selling on Amazon.com and we got some free galaxy note 9 accessories available now. will you accept reimbursement after your honest feedback is posted?" Didn't define what they are selling or what they wanted me to buy and "reimbursement" two RED flags.
wakko69 said:
Yeah I have a little problem with email he sent, "We are selling on Amazon.com and we got some free galaxy note 9 accessories available now. will you accept reimbursement after your honest feedback is posted?" Didn't define what they are selling or what they wanted me to buy and "reimbursement" two RED flags.
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I also got an email. While the whole deal might be legit, it didn't feel right to me. As you said, it's not a company email address, and the wording was odd. He asked that I promise to write a review, and send my amazon link to my reviews. That's not abnormal, but like I said, it didn't make me feel safe, and I try to avoid scams whenever possible.
grmcrkrs said:
I also got an email. While the whole deal might be legit, it didn't feel right to me. As you said, it's not a company email address, and the wording was odd. He asked that I promise to write a review, and send my amazon link to my reviews. That's not abnormal, but like I said, it didn't make me feel safe, and I try to avoid scams whenever possible.
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It's not a scam, it's a small company trying to boost their reviews. I've had the Battery case for over a week and I'm about to review another item from them shortly, been reimbursed the money for everything.
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It's not a scam, it's a small company trying to boost their reviews. I've had the Battery case for over a week and I'm about to review another item from them shortly, been reimbursed the money for everything.
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Trying to boost their reviews? Okay.
Well please ensure that your review 100% honest because if it isn't, it's just misleading people to buy something that is actually not worth the money.
Jammol said:
Trying to boost their reviews? Okay.
Well please ensure that your review 100% honest because if it isn't, it's just misleading people to buy something that is actually not worth the money.
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Of course. The case is exactly the same case ZeroLemon sells, just not branded with ZeroLemon.
I followed up on this - unfortunately it didn't work out for me as I'm in the UK, and the only way to buy the case is on amazon.com, who won't ship it to the UK.
The emails I received from Jayson were helpful and timely, and he never asked for anything other than an "honest review".
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Of course. The case is exactly the same case ZeroLemon sells, just not branded with ZeroLemon.
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I wish they would have done the fingerprint sensor a better access setup instead of just a giant cut out.
Jammol said:
I wish they would have done the fingerprint sensor a better access setup instead of just a giant cut out.
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Works for me, or use your face or Irises to unlock your device.
I'm not against this but "boosting" reviews via freebies, isn't there a certain word for that ?
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