Google pays $12.5 billion for Motorola Mobility - Milestone XT720 General

Good news?
http://www.geek.com/articles/mobile/google-pays-12-5-billion-for-mororola-mobility-20110815/

hellmonger said:
Good news?
http://www.geek.com/articles/mobile/google-pays-12-5-billion-for-mororola-mobility-20110815/
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I think it will be good for new motorola's devices but I think they wouldn't do anythink for our phone because of make an update cost money and they can't win by doing this because this phone is no more for sale.

I can't decide if this matters. On the one hand, we're now two corporate restructurings removed from a company that gave a **** about the XT720 (Motorola [small **** given] > Motorola Mobility [no ****s given] > Google [patent warfare]). On the other hand Google has legendary awful customer support. It seems like a heads Sanjay wins, tails I lose situation.

i'll say it's extremely good news
this should help improve Motorola's phone to have unlocked bootloader and stock AOS, without all the bloatware they always put on it

I don't suppose we'll receive an update for an unlocked bootloader, no? Probably not because it seems Motorola will continue to operate separately from Google

tharan.a said:
I don't suppose we'll receive an update for an unlocked bootloader, no? Probably not because it seems Motorola will continue to operate separately from Google
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I've never seen any indication that Google disapproves of the bootloader lock. They do disapprove of the lack of updates, but I'm sure we missed the boat on that.

Mioze7Ae said:
I've never seen any indication that Google disapproves of the bootloader lock. They do disapprove of the lack of updates, but I'm sure we missed the boat on that.
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Yes, couldn't have said it better myself. Most phones have support that barely lasts 2 years. I think this is the end of the XT720. On the brighter side, this will help google fight of apple and microsoft which were just trying to dominate the market with the patents. I see this as a good move for android/opensource as a whole!

With the capability to manufacture its own hardware, Google will be better equipped to take on the iPhone. That should be good.

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Will be taken over within:
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Google needs Motorola to take over your living room
Google Evil Agenda
My original prediction:
Posted by Urgo at December 16, 2004 11:31 PM
"Don't Be Evil?" video - beta version
Google Xistence
For the past year now I've been predicting that within the next ten Google will 'take over the world'. Most people I tell this two think I'm crazy and this will never happen saying that Google is the best company ever and they will never turn evil. I tend to disagree.
Let me take just a few minutes to explain why I think this, and then at the bottom of this entry is a link to a flash video I found today with someone else thinking the same thing.
Facts - Google owns:
- Google is the most used search engine
- Gmail, while maybe not the most used email provider (maybe it is now?) it is definitely the most highly desired
- Orkut, while mostly blown over now is still a thriving social network site
- Google News is viewed as a #1 news site for many people
- Blogger is one of the leading blog sites and blogs are all over the news these days
- Keyhole offers a satalite imageing service
- Google Desktop Search
- Google Adsense - probably the most widly used advertising on the web these days (used even on this website although I haven't seen any return yet)
- And much much more, plus all the things normal people like myself have come up with such as the random google image in the right sidebar.
My point to all of this is the following:
Through GMail Google stores and never deletes your email. They catalog it and can do a LOT with that data. With time google can write robots to parse the data to find out every bit of data about you, who you know, what you talk about, etc. Gmail bundled with Orkut Google really has a solid grip on your social network with more detail and structure than email alone. Google knows who [email protected] really is, where he lives, what his passtimes are, etc and can link it up with your email conversations. Now to get even further into your life they have the Google Desktop Search which has already been called on being invasive bypassing security on people's PC's and cataloging files that it shouldn't.
Step back for a second, Google now knows who you know, what you talk about, details about every person, everything you say on your computer, what files you have, what is in each file, basically all of your Digital Data. Oh, also if you use the google search bar (IE plug-in) in advanced mode (default.. plus ohh! I want advanced features....) they track every webpage you go, although the desktop search tool does that as well. 0wned.
Next we start to see Google's current revenue. Blogs, Keyhole, Adsense. Wow, if the inflated stock doesn't make them enough $$$ then this sure helps. Although I don't believe Google charges for blogger right now they are setting themselves up for it in the future if blogging ever takes off as a legitimate news source... News.. Google news is one of the most used news services to gather news from many sources, sorted automatically for relevance...
Now, just think if Google DID want to turn evil (assuming they aren't already) how much of the market they already own. In the 90's people switched search engines all the time, but moving email providers, etc is a lot harder to do. In a few more years they'll have people so dependant on them and their products just like Microsoft people will be stuck with Google for better or.. worse.
More info on Google being evil is at google-watch.
Wow, well this was supposed to be a very short blog entry promoting a clip I saw today but I had to get my rant over with. Other then the Google-watch site that’s been around for a while, today on mefi I stumbled into a 10? min flash movie someone made giving a detailed rundown of a possible scenario that Google might take in the coming years towards world domination. I personally haven't come up with a scenario myself, and I am uncertain if this one is how its going to happen, but I was happy to see that others feel the same way as I do, that within the next ten years Google will takeover the world, or in this movie, the media forcing the New York Times offline.
Please take the time to watch this movie, and ignore the somewhat cheesiness of it. I really think they are being insightful and this COULD happen.
Flash Movie Of How Google Will Take Over The World
Google Plans To Kill Web In Internet Takeover Agenda
Google's Motorola Takeover Bid To Draw Antitrust Scrutiny, Analysts Say

I forgot that Motorola Mobility makes cable-top boxes. That's a plus for GoogleTV which I think is also Android based? Or is that Chrome based? I forget.

Today's android news keeps getting more and more interesting. First google and moto and now Cyanogen and Samsung.
"Steve Kondik, better known as Cyanogen, the father of CyanogenMod, has posted an interesting update to his professional life on his Facebook page. Steve, who has founded the largest family of custom Android ROMs on the planet, has just joined Samsung Mobile to presumably work on Android-related goodies for one of world's largest electronics manufacturers." -Android Police
(Can't post links yet, check Android Police)
Two developments which hopefully do nothing but improve the quality of the Android OS.

Good..Now Google control both software and hardware can make better opened source devices...stupid moto is dying , may google takes over and unlock all the moto build mobile deveice bootloaders

I was thrilled when reading about it. One of the main problems is that Moto seems to fail to optimize their hardware with the software. Meaning that, despite having powerful specs in several of their phones, it stills ends up being laggy and buggy. How is it that the Nexus S with its single core can outlag the Atrix? or even the Nexus One? resolution, graphics and processor needs to be better developed for usage.
Other than the bloatware, I find the Motorola developers really fail to take advantage of the specs and integrating it with Android.
Hopefully, the Moto and Google developers can get together and finally fix this problem. Specs mean nothing if the phone can't use it efficiently.
I'm pretty sure everyone will celebrate if Moto announces that they are switching to google stock, and turning motoblur into only widget apps, instead of a launcher apk. It still boggles my mind how companies can continue to push such applications, and this applies to Sony Ericcsons terrible Timescape app. it was already a trainwreck on the X10.

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[CONCEPT] Nexus Q: Q-Dash - Completed

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This is something I had an idea about as soon as I saw the Nexus Q. I saw the potential this device has, however the current setup is just lacking. Good thing is hackable and runs Android though.
I am not a developer, I just come up with concepts in the hope that either Google or a developer will like the idea and begin to implement it.
What is it?
The Q-Dash is a customisable dashboard powered by the Nexus Q. Every morning, we wake up and check our phones for the latest news, weather, Facebook updates etc. If you can get it on your phone, its likely that we will check it.
However, you have a Nexus Q, why not put all that information onto one screen.
When your alarm goes off, your Android Device sends a command to the Nexus Q to power up the Q-Dash.
Q-Dash is your daily dashboard of all the information you check in the morning and its fully customisable. It can give you any Google Now Card, the latest breaking news stories, RSS feeds, Facebook/Twitter information, Live TV or Audio Streams. Q-Dash also shows you notifications you might have missed during the night.
How does it work?
Q-Dash is a completely 'hands free' experience from the moment your alarm goes off. When the alarm is activated, your Android device automatically listens for your voice, enabling you to snooze or dismiss your alarm without getting out of bed. Once it receives the dismiss command, your Android Device powers the Nexus Q on in Q-Dash mode.
From then on, your Android Device listens out for a hotword. When it hears this hotword, it activates the speech recognition so you can control Q-Dash.
Ask it to show you your RSS feeds from the Google Blog, and thats what it will do. Ask it to read you an article from a RSS feed - it'll do that as well.
Change the Livestream, post a Facebook/Twitter update, see the weather forecast, check your daily agenda or go to your favourite website - Q-Dash can do all this an more. It also has the compatibility to launch Q-Dash optimised applications from your device, right onto the Q-Dash. So if you want to see your favourite news application on Q-Dash, just ask it to launch. If the app is Q-Dash optimised, it'll launch for you.
If you have multiple Nexus Q's in your house, you can take Q-Dash with you. Simply tap your phone on any Q-Dash to bring it up. Q-Dash also knows when you have left your house, so can power down the Nexus Q automatically.
If you like this concept, don't forget to click Newsworthy in the top right and share this around the web!
[CONCEPT] Nexus Q: Q-Dash
I legitimately had to register to give you props on your idea. That is an amazing concept. I'm not sure how much voice sounds and my video editing is none existent, but to support your idea I would be up for chatting on skype or the something else to see if you could use me.
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I legitimately had to register to give you props on your idea. That is an amazing concept. I'm not sure how much voice sounds and my video editing is none existent, but to support your idea I would be up for chatting on skype or the something else to see if you could use me.
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Video editing isn't needed. Just record yourself saying a few sentences from above and send it
Updated the video with Q-Dash voice
This is an absolutely amazing idea. I don't really have much to add, just wanted to say good work and I'm looking forward to seeing someone do this.
Mortalys77 said:
This is an absolutely amazing idea. I don't really have much to add, just wanted to say good work and I'm looking forward to seeing someone do this.
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If you'd like to help, sharing on Twitter, Google+, Facebook etc would be appreciated
Oh man.
I may just have to end up getting a Q if it gets crazy projects like this
This also comes to mind:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Cf7IL_eZ38
Edit and shameless plug: I wrote about this on my blog. http://androidallies.com/2012/06/30/what-to-do-with-nexus-q/
I keep thinking about how awesome this could be.
Totaly useless, but looks good)
AmoJ said:
Totaly useless, but looks good)
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Why totally useless? Bet you wake up and use your phone in bed, or put the news on or read it?
Nobody have anymore feedback?
Final version has been submitted, complete with voiceover etc
Dude, all I have to say is the concept sounds pretty awesome. However, and this isn't the fault of Q-Dash at all...unless if the Q gets a lot more functionality, and quickly, I doubt too many people are going to be paying $300 for a gimped device. I mean, it's a networked media consumption device, but it can't even do local streaming of audio or video (at least not natively, and I haven't seen anything 3rd party that can do it either).
Three times expensive than Apple TV,I'm not sure it's worth enough
Yeah I best you.
Its been hacked to runs apps hasn't it so things like this shouldn't be to far away
This is an amazing concept for the Q! I can't wait to see where this goes! This is the future!! I just picked my Q up on ebay today. For those of you interested but not wanting to pay 300+ tax check out ebay. I got mine for 195 and saw them come and go for 170-210 from the Google I/O folks. Following this thread and can't wait to see where this goes! This just made me 1000 times more excited about picking up the Q.
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This is an amazing concept for the Q! I can't wait to see where this goes! This is the future!! I just picked my Q up on ebay today. For those of you interested but not wanting to pay 300+ tax check out ebay. I got mine for 195 and saw them come and go for 170-210 from the Google I/O folks. Following this thread and can't wait to see where this goes! This just made me 1000 times more excited about picking up the Q.
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It doesn't seem to be gauging much interest like my notification concept.
Feel free to share it round, submit it as a news tip to sites etc
Evostance said:
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It doesn't seem to be gauging much interest like my notification concept.
Feel free to share it round, submit it as a news tip to sites etc
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What are you looking for from the community? Backers? Interest? Do you have plans to launch? What do you need to launch or begin development?
Sorry for all of the questions but I'd really like to know where your vision is for this new concept, as this is something that has really got my interest.
Thanks
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What are you looking for from the community? Backers? Interest? Do you have plans to launch? What do you need to launch or begin development?
Sorry for all of the questions but I'd really like to know where your vision is for this new concept, as this is something that has really got my interest.
Thanks
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My vision would be for either a developer or Google to jump on board and develop it as its only a concept. If I had the time in my life, I'd sit down and attempt to learn Java and see what I could do myself, however I have pretty much no free time at the moment
Congrats!
Mas, it´s great.
I shared it on my Google Plus.
Thanx for this concept.

Does anyone think Google Now (and Siri) are as useless as I do?

Part of my distaste is because I miss the dedicated search button on newer phones (and long press for voice search), but in any case I just don't see the point of Google Now.
1) It's awful at answering questions. I've asked questions in plain english maybe a couple dozen times and almost every time the result has been a simple web search. Not a "card" with an answer on it, which, as far as I can gather, is the point. The only times I've gotten the card were for questions I was only asking to see what it CAN do, since it CAN'T do anything that seems to be useful.
2) The simple answers it can provide are much easier to find in a dedicated app. If I want to know the weather, I look at a widget or open a weather app. If I want to know what's on my agenda, I look at a widget or open the calendar app. I'm not going to open Google Now and see if it happens to have a card for the specific information I want. And the general things it does are all important enough that I have widgets for them that I can see at a glance without opening Google Now.
The only thing it's been able to "do" other than this is simple definitions of words, which I suppose is a little easier than doing a web search, but kind of "meh."
The swiping up from home button thing doesn't seem like it should be THE way to see what Google Now wants to tell you. The passive nature means none of it is immediately pertinent information, yet you have to take action to see it. A widget would make a LOT more sense. As it is, I don't ever find myself thinking "I wonder if there's any random, currently unimportant information I'd like to see." And I'm very rarely in a situation where I don't feel completely ridiculous talking to my phone.
Who uses this thing? Why?
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Voice search is a good marketing thingy. It doesnt help me to search things in google the way i do, for example some problems during application developent.
You may not be using it right. Though, keep in mind that it's targeted towards busy people as a means of efficient and accessible information. I believe that the main purpose of google now is to integrate into your agenda to give you relevant information
(ie. checking your destination, route, and traffic, and calculating that you need to leave in xx minutes to arrive at your destination on time)
I don't really see google now as a siri copy, as it doesn't give mediocre and/or witty answers.
You'll probably still use google search a lot. Google now is meant more as a location-based assistant than a siri clone.
It does cards for things like locations, famous people, weather, alarms, definitions, emails, etc.
Yeah, I'm not sure I like siri or Google now. Its a cool concept but sometimes I feel like I have to yell at the phone so it understands me ha
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IMHO Google Now (and Siri) would be much more useful if voice recognition was improved and answer process snappier.
Indeed, it could be much faster to talk to your phone than navigating through your apps. Besides, Google Now is way smarter than Siri as it tries to guess what information you need before you ask for it. Analysing external information and making it useful should be fully exploited.
Voice assistant is a road on which I think we should make further progress. Google is doing a great job as we can see with the off-line voice recognition.
However I agree with you that Google Now can be useless if the user only uses it to get information you can get by looking at your widgets.. Maybe if it has a deeper integration on the phone, it would be better.
Even if they worked perfectly o would not use them they are a novalty lol fun to show off but just not useful in the real world.
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We have to face evolution of search engines, if we like it or not. Searching in web can't stay the way it is forever. We are about to implement AI to search engines, so that computer understands what we are looking for and crawls through web, while we would be working. Potentially new users wouldn't need to "learn" to google in order to find information efficiently.
qoncept said:
Part of my distaste is because I miss the dedicated search button on newer phones (and long press for voice search), but in any case I just don't see the point of Google Now.
Who uses this thing? Why?
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To be perfectly honest I fail to grasp the whole talk-control allure. I mean seriously, typing is less tiresome, cleaner, quieter and frankly, more private. The one time I actually tested voice control, I felt like a douche. -and- I was alone in my room. Imagine doing it on the middle of the street.
Dedicated widgets, as you said, are the best way to go for effectiveness. Which gets me wondering, how worried should we be that Google sees voice control as "the future"?
Which gets me wondering, how worried should we be that Google sees voice control as "the future"?
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Google isn't like Microsoft, who gives consumers reactionary, low-par software and features. If voice control turns out to not be "the future", then Google will realize it and move away from it.
Seriously, when was the last time that you looked at a Google product and thought to yourself, "man this sucks"? At least, that never happened to me. I'm actually looking into modifying my China N12 tablet to have Google Now in ICS.
Zetthy said:
To be perfectly honest I fail to grasp the whole talk-control allure. I mean seriously, typing is less tiresome, cleaner, quieter and frankly, more private. The one time I actually tested voice control, I felt like a douche. -and- I was alone in my room. Imagine doing it on the middle of the street.
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Like I said, most of the time I feel like an idiot talking to the phone. The only time I regularly use it is "navigate to ..." when I'm in the car. One button press (and I know exactly where that button is) and I have directions to where I'm going. Until ICS.
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Google isn't like Microsoft, who gives consumers reactionary, low-par software and features. If voice control turns out to not be "the future", then Google will realize it and move away from it.
Seriously, when was the last time that you looked at a Google product and thought to yourself, "man this sucks"? At least, that never happened to me. I'm actually looking into modifying my China N12 tablet to have Google Now in ICS.
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Yeah, Google has definitely shown they are totally willing to dump something if it turns out not to be the next thing. Google Wave anyone? I bet Larry Page is a pretty decent poker player. One of the biggest problems people have is not folding because they have so much invested, even when they can't win.

Rumor: Android 4.2 to Introduce Enhanced Google Now, Project Roadrunner and More

SOURCE : Kickedface
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WARNING: This post contains rumors and speculation from Android Insiders. If you do not want to know about Android 4.2 then do not read this story and unplug from the Internets. You have been warned – the goods are after the jump. Thanks to androidandme for digging this up!
There is so much to cover in this rumor report that we are going to use a slightly different format. We will list each rumored feature individually and then break it down before moving on to the next.
NEW NEXUS PROGRAM
Rumor: As previously reported, any manufacturer can produce a Nexus device or a Nexus version of an existing device. They work closely with Google on the hardware and driver details (there is a more efficient solution for this in 5.0), but Google is responsible for the updates (don’t know how the carriers factor in). The phones don’t necessarily have to have “Nexus” as part of their name, it works more like a certificate like “HD Ready”.
The devices have to fulfill some basic requirements. The phone has to ship with a stock version of Android, it needs to have the hardware power to run all “Nexus Games”, and they have to support Google Wallet, aka have NFC.
There are two carrots on a stick that probably make the Nexus brand a huge selling point. Google Play gets expanded with a media streaming service component and there will be games that only work on Nexus devices. The streaming service uses the secure memory, making it harder to pirate the content. No word of the type or source of the media, but it seems to be a big deal.
Speculation: This info is all over the map, but it lines up with previous reports. It sounds like Google is going to encourage manufacturers to join their Nexus program, but it will be optional. If manufacturers meet a list of requirements, then they can become Nexus certified and gain access to new services and features.
It almost sounds like the list of requirements that Google currently places on OEMs in order for them to gain access to Google services like the Play store. This will now create a second tier certification program that manufactures have the choice of participating in. OEMs can offer a device that meets the basic requirements and gain access to the Google Play store, and if they include additional elements they get access to the Nexus certification
NEW CUSTOMIZATION CENTER
Rumor: There is a new Customization Center, where you can change ringtones, language packs, background, launchers, and so on. There is nothing too sophisticated (for now). The center is mainly a convenient way to enable the average customer to do some basic customizations. The range of options can be expanded via Google Play of course. However, there are two new features: templates that change the appearance of all (newly introduced) dynamic icons at once, and post filters that change the appearance of the whole UI – think of Instagram.
The manufacturers may provide their custom UI through the Customization Center, but they don’t have to. When Google upgrades Android and a manufacturer fails to provide a compatible version of their custom UI the device reverts simply to the stock UI (or the user waits with the upgrade until the manufacturer catches up).
Speculation: This sounds like a dream come true. Google may have finally provided a solution to the manufactures that allows consumers to update the base Android operating system, without having to wait on the OEMs to update their skins.
NEW PROJECT ROADRUNNER
Rumor: There is major effort to improve the battery life called Project Roadrunner.
Speculation: Details are pretty light on this one, but it sounds like Project Roadrunner will enhance battery life the same way that Project Butter enhanced the overall responsiveness in Android 4.1.
UPDATED GOOGLE PLAY
Rumor: Google Play is enhanced with new features like personalized search, optional promotional campaigns with notification center integration, more billing options, and easier in-app micro-transactions.
Speculation: We don’t have much to add, but we like anything that will help developers generate more revenue.
UPDATED GOOGLE NOW
Rumor: Google Now provides help for basic OS functions, aka “Where can I activate bluetooth?” or “How can I tone down the brightness?”, to make it easy for newbies to settle in.
Speculation: No surprise here. Google said they would be updating Google Now and we expected to be able to control system level functions.
UPDATED VIDEO PLAYER
Rumor: The stock video player app gets a major revamp and provides new APIs for other video services to tie in.
Speculation: Again there is not much to add, but androidandme believe this is part of a bigger media streaming service that Google will soon offer.
DRIVE-BY CONCLUSIONS
Please keep in mind that all of this should only be considered a rumor, but this source has been on the money with previous information. Some of the details are so specific that I have a hard time believing they are just making this up as they go along. The source also shared quite a bit of information about Android 5.0 that we left out so we could focus on the next release.
Hello users with Android 4.2.
By now we are certain that Google has handed out new Nexus devices to their employees who are currently testing Android 4.2. Androidandme have monitored quite a few visits to their site over the last month, but the number of hits from Android 4.2 really started to pick up this week.
I’m not sure if I believe every detail that is included with this report, but all the signs are pointing to some major changes to the Nexus program and the core Android OS. Some of these changes are so big that we wonder if they will even be included with Android 4.2 or be held for Android 5.0.
We previously speculated that a lot of the things in Android 4.2 would be geared towards laying the groundwork for Android 5.0. It is possible that a lot of these new features will only be visible on Nexus devices, while standard devices would be left without them.
The whole concept of a Nexus certification program sounds like Google is putting their foot down and taking more control of the Android experience. Even though the program might optional, hopefully the consumers will realize the benefits of a “Nexus ready” device versus something that is just Android-based.
This sounds neat
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Here is a video about it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6QnTdY5vUI&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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uhmm!
Sound nice!
Thanks for the info

Blu, maybe Huawei and ZTE privacy "bug"

Firmware (made by Shanghai Adups Technology Co. Ltd) that "calls home" was found installed on chinese phones sold in US:
http://www.kryptowire.com/adups_security_analysis.html
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Firmware (made by Shanghai Adups Technology Co. Ltd) that "calls home" was found installed on chinese phones sold in US:
http://www.kryptowire.com/adups_security_analysis.html
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Not just "Chinese" phones, else why are they contacting Google?
Well, at least my phone contacts Google because I have a Google account. I choose to allow that when I input my gmail address. I choose to trust Google with my contact lists and calendar and whatever. I choose when to update the apps or not.
This chinese spyware is embedded in firmware (trusted app, capable of escalation) and on a totally different level of what it can do, you could read it in the article. Or not. The article has even a comparison with a similar spyware from 2011:
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SoNic67 said:
Well, at least my phone contacts Google because I have a Google account. I choose to allow that when I input my gmail address. I choose to trust Google with my contact lists and calendar and whatever. I choose when to update the apps or not.
This chinese spyware is embedded in firmware (trusted app, capable of escalation) and on a totally different level of what it can do, you could read it in the article. Or not. The article has even a comparison with a similar spyware from 2011:
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No I mean the security company Kryptowire are contacting Google, along with Blu. Does that mean a Google phone is affected or is it just as they have a sales channel? Probably the latter but it does raise a lot of questions about exactly & how much control they have of the manufacturing process across their supply chain. Whether it's the the actual phone or individual chips being programmed. And is there any attempt by companies that make products in places like China to check the phones that actually come off the line for compromises. I doubt it but it seems to be a security risk to me.
Of course we all have to trust someone or some company in some way as most things are not open. I to trust Google with much of my data & security.
(I have read several articles on this, but still not much info, all seem to be a rehash of the press release from Kryptowire)
Google code is not affected. This is part of the specific firmware that manufacturer puts in the phone and it is allowed to even be updated OTA.
Meanwhile if I root my device is considered "unsafe"... But that's the only way to see those files and act to remove them.
As much as I hate Apple, I am more and more tempted. At least they control all the manufacturing chain.
Can I load a custom firmware on my phone to eliminate this?
If you can unlock the bootloader, yes.
At the minimum you need root, to be able to disable/eliminate the software. The original article that I have linked has the details of the software names:
com.adups.fota.sysoper
com.adups.fota
Hi guys,
I knew that by now you have all heard about this news the Chinese budget android devices are secretly sending users’ data to China...
I thought I'll ask amongst the experts anyway how much of a thread could it actually be, as I'm a new P8 user (previously only had Samsung's)
What bothers me is the fact news comes from a private contractor to US govt which aren't really fair & square on the privacy issues in the first place, and apparently the 'feature' was 'accidental' discovered...really?!?
Considering the timing and situation on the market, seems to me to be a competition battle...but it's just my thought
Anyway...Do you think a simple root is enough to get rid of such 'back door' code?
Looking forward to your input
PS. articles available at:
http://www.theverge.com/2016/11/15/1...-text-messages
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/16/us...rity.html?_r=0
and original report http://www.kryptowire.com/adups_security_analysis.html
...and not two days later another news emerges... hehe just when some may have thought they are any different
https://interc.pt/2gkn4dz
M4ti said:
Hi guys,
I knew that by now you have all heard about this news the Chinese budget android devices are secretly sending users’ data to China...
I thought I'll ask amongst the experts anyway how much of a thread could it actually be, as I'm a new P8 user (previously only had Samsung's)
What bothers me is the fact news comes from a private contractor to US govt which aren't really fair & square on the privacy issues in the first place, and apparently the 'feature' was 'accidental' discovered...really?!?
Considering the timing and situation on the market, seems to me to be a competition battle...but it's just my thought
Anyway...Do you think a simple root is enough to get rid of such 'back door' code?
Looking forward to your input
PS. articles available at:
http://www.theverge.com/2016/11/15/1...-text-messages
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/16/us...rity.html?_r=0
and original report http://www.kryptowire.com/adups_security_analysis.html
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who cares who finds it, so long as someone does. Rooting and deleting all the relevant files should work, I guess, but possible could cause some other issues, who knows.
Its pretty funny since most of the people reading those articles doesn't really understand it very well....people quickly jump into conclusion and think that Chinese Smartphone device secretly sending private information to China....
If you read the articles very carefully then you will realize that Shanghai Adups Technology Co. Ltd is a company that provide FOTA services, that means and manufacturers that use their services for OTA updates are likely to effected with the spyware not just Chinese Smartphone....their market share is exceeding 70% across over 150 countries and god know how many devices manufacturers & services operator have been using their services for OTA updates...

Question Samsung Galaxy S22 Ultra, Best Security, Privacy, ROMs.

Hi all,
My appologies up front for asking this question as I realize its fairly general and dependent upon my security requirements... Just got a new SGS22ULTRA and need some guidance on getting it secured.
Background info:
--- I never use any cloud services to backup, store, or use applications or files.
--- I only use Software that I can purchase a one time license, download it and use it directly from my devices. No yearly rotating fees, monthly fees, services, nothing.
----All files including media, movies, music, I purchase hard copies, DVD, CDs, So I own the actual movie, music, licenses, etc...
---- I dont use any streaming services, or paid subscriptions, news services, etc...
With the above stated I am hopefull you all can provide me with some direction on what is the best ROM to secure and lockdown my phone for privacy and security. Amongst obvious reasons I truly hate having a green leather Ikea sofa following me around and popping up everywhere.... I truly dislike the constant tracking, monitoring, etc.... any thoughts or suggestions I would be grateful to hear.
Thankyou all in advance
A bigger question is backup without using cloud. No SD card means you lose all data on internal memory in a crash and burn, every time.
Crashes rarely happen but not rare enough. A drop can have the same result.
Kill bixby, and keep location off unless needed for starters. No social media or shopping apps installed, ever. Disable Samsung, app, carrier and Google feedback. A firewall with logging be very useful.
This setting change to globally block ads:
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Ratfink11 said:
Hi all,
My appologies up front for asking this question as I realize its fairly general and dependent upon my security requirements... Just got a new SGS22ULTRA and need some guidance on getting it secured.
Background info:
--- I never use any cloud services to backup, store, or use applications or files.
--- I only use Software that I can purchase a one time license, download it and use it directly from my devices. No yearly rotating fees, monthly fees, services, nothing.
----All files including media, movies, music, I purchase hard copies, DVD, CDs, So I own the actual movie, music, licenses, etc...
---- I dont use any streaming services, or paid subscriptions, news services, etc...
With the above stated I am hopefull you all can provide me with some direction on what is the best ROM to secure and lockdown my phone for privacy and security. Amongst obvious reasons I truly hate having a green leather Ikea sofa following me around and popping up everywhere.... I truly dislike the constant tracking, monitoring, etc.... any thoughts or suggestions I would be grateful to hear.
Thankyou all in advance
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There is nothing like this, you will always be tracked by someone (read Google, Samsung, Facebook or whatever). You want privacy and no tracking? Get a firewall and block everything but you'll cripple the phone and your experience.
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There is nothing like this, you will always be tracked by someone (read Google, Samsung, Facebook or whatever). You want privacy and no tracking? Get a firewall and block everything but you'll cripple the phone and your experience.
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Cookies, cookies everywhere... it's amazing how much data they pack away even on a good browser. I just clear the data every week or two.
A grossly handicapped phone isn't much fun or very useful.
So phone OS that focus on privacy and security such as Copperhead, Graphene, etc... dont work? Im not out for perfection, and like I said, I dont use streaming services or cloud based apps, I dont use google play, or anything like that. Any apps I use work directly from phone or I build my own apps to function as I need.
Im looking to plug as many privacy security holes as I can and figured, hopefull someone was working on a custom ROM that helps with this.
Thx
Ratfink11 said:
So phone OS that focus on privacy and security such as Copperhead, Graphene, etc... dont work? Im not out for perfection, and like I said, I dont use streaming services or cloud based apps, I dont use google play, or anything like that. Any apps I use work directly from phone or I build my own apps to function as I need.
Im looking to plug as many privacy security holes as I can and figured, hopefull someone was working on a custom ROM that helps with this.
Thx
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You'll likely end up with a can full of worms to chase down or live with. It will make troubleshooting exponentially harder especially on a new model like this.
Why buy a Sammy flagship and not use it's many features and customizations? You can lock it down fairly well without going totally fort Knox on it.
I think you bought the wrong phone for your specific needs. A Pixel device would have been the better choice.
Its been a while since logging on... I got hit with the nasty dirty stinky pipe linux kernel. Hard reset phone, etc.... So, if I may ask for some assistance... is there a link to how to lockdown, privacy, etc... for S22 Ultra? Unfortuneatly as awsome as this phone is I find it has automated capabilities surpassing my permissions and desires.... If someone can help me update my intelligence level and verify I have Overseer Mode turned off I would be gratefil.... thanks for all your suggestions and frankness.... best regards
Ratfink11 said:
Its been a while since logging on... I got hit with the nasty dirty stinky pipe linux kernel. Hard reset phone, etc.... So, if I may ask for some assistance... is there a link to how to lockdown, privacy, etc... for S22 Ultra? Unfortuneatly as awsome as this phone is I find it has automated capabilities surpassing my permissions and desires.... If someone can help me update my intelligence level and verify I have Overseer Mode turned off I would be gratefil.... thanks for all your suggestions and frankness.... best regards
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Not sure how it got in. Be helpful to know the vector used to compromise your device ie web surfing, download or installed app. Nasty little bugger.
You need the patch if you're on Android 12 if Samsung has released a patch for it.
Since I'm still running 9... no worries about this exploit. So much for Gookill's security hype.

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