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Has anyone tried to repartition our /system and /data folders to create an /emmc partition for our phones? Seems like OE partitioning scheme is a huge waste of space and we could better utilize the extra space if it was in user mountable partition.
This should be easy to do via recovery yes?
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unsivil_audio said:
Has anyone tried to repartition our /system and /data folders to create an /emmc partition for our phones? Seems like OE partitioning scheme is a huge waste of space and we could better utilize the extra space if it was in user mountable partition.
This should be easy to do via recovery yes?
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Yes both lfaber06 and I sort of do something similar, with the way we have safestrap setup, but we use the SDcard instead. The one issue I see with this is what the future brings for this phone, like what moto might do for us with ICS, and such, what may be needed in these partitions to make it work. Other that that I don't see an issue, but you will have to change a ton of start scripts if the partition numbers change.
Jim
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I don't think you understand, I want the space to be user accessible, like I have on my nook. I flashed a custom repartition from cwm to resize data and media partitions. The /emmc partition is a fat32 partition I believe (on my nook anyways). I've never even come close to filling my 2gb data partition, and now I have 4gb of space for music or videos storage.
unsivil_audio said:
I don't think you understand, I want the space to be user accessible, like I have on my nook. I flashed a custom repartition from cwm to resize data and media partitions. The /emmc partition is a fat32 partition I believe (on my nook anyways). I've never even come close to filling my 2gb data partition, and now I have 4gb of space for music or videos storage.
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No, I don't think you understand what that really does under the covers. Both lfaber06 and I have been working on this device for a while, we are the ONLY two devs currently working on this device. What I am telling you is that if you change the size of ANY of the internal partitions, It might effect the ability to update to another version of Android. Your Nook, is not a Mototrola device, and Moto has completly messed with/up android, and therefore it is not safe to do what you are saying. No matter what you can not get access to the internal partitions, yes on AOSP devices / devices that can be AOSP (the nook is one), you can do those things. The Atrix2 still has a locked bootloader, so we are stuck with their kernel, and version of android. To do what you are saying you will need to have an AOSP kernel, and have MANY init scripts updated to understand the new partition table. It is not as easy as you make it out to be.
Okay, I was under the impression with rw abilities on /system and /data partitions we also have the ability to mount, unmount; also giving us the ability to edit the partition blocks via bootstrap.
Ok how about this, there is a guy in the Nook Tablet forum (locked bootloader, like us) who had the idea of basically running a fat32 "img" that in the /data (ext4) partition to that would mount via a script and be user accessible? That would be possible I would think.
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Okay, I was under the impression with rw abilities on /system and /data partitions we also have the ability to mount, unmount; also giving us the ability to edit the partition blocks via bootstrap.
Ok how about this, there is a guy in the Nook Tablet forum (locked bootloader, like us) who had the idea of basically running a fat32 "img" that in the /data (ext4) partition to that would mount via a script and be user accessible? That would be possible I would think.
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Yes you do have access to all of those things with root, but Moto has done so much customization to this thing, that would not be safe.
Yes, that is also something that lfaber06 and I have thrown around as well, the logistics of it need to be worked out for our phone, and the proper init scripts need to be put together.
Are you up for the task? I only ask because he and I are currently working on porting cm7 and cm9 to our phone, which is a huge task. I can help you out, but I just can't take on anymore projects for this phone at the moment, since I have 5 different things I am working on for us right now.
I am definitely down to help, still going to be a bit of a learning curve for myself. Still pretty new to linux/android.
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I am definitely down to help, still going to be a bit of a learning curve for myself. Still pretty new to linux/android.
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PM me, with as much info as you have about this, preferably any links that you have read, and I will help you develop a game plan, and what you will need to make this hack happen. You will have to do some research on your own, and I can help with the Linux/Android part, and help you figure out what you will need to do. I am also not sure on the what kind of speed to expect from something like this, so that will also be something to look into, since this will be a virtual disk file.
With all the lighter custom ROMs we have today, the default huge /system partition we have in the O3D is a waste of space. Same with the /data partition. For those who don´t know, both /system and /data (and other smaller ones) are actual internal SD Card space!
That´s why we have LG specs saying we have 8GB of internal flash storage, when in fact we have just 5.5GB available.
So my question is: is there a (safe) way to wipe all internal SD partitions and then recreate them with more appropriate sizes, earning back all the wasted space?
Thanks a lot!
Marcovecchio said:
With all the lighter custom ROMs we have today, the default huge /system partition we have in the O3D is a waste of space. Same with the /data partition. For those who don´t know, both /system and /data (and other smaller ones) are actual internal SD Card space!
That´s why we have LG specs saying we have 8GB of internal flash storage, when in fact we have just 5.5GB available.
So my question is: is there a (safe) way to wipe all internal SD partitions and then recreate them with more appropriate sizes, earning back all the wasted space?
Thanks a lot!
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Have you read about data2ext? I think it would be a very good solution to us.
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Thanks for the reply, ThiaiZ!
However, I think I´m looking for something different: as far as I know, data2ext changes the /data partition pointer to external memory (SD Card), so the original /data partition will never be used by the OS, and it´s space will be wasted, right?
I would like to find a way to get this wasted space back! If we could repartition /system, /data, /cache, to smaller sizes, we would have more storage space for stuff on the internal SD. Does it make sense? Thanks!
Well, since I had no solutions here, I would like to post some examples of this for other phone models:
MyTouch 3G Slide - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=893706
LG GT540 - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1171531
The MyTouch 3G Slide thread is particularly good because it explains in detail how to check the partition sizes, and shows how much space is wasted on the /system partition.
Marcovecchio said:
Well, since I had no solutions here, I would like to post some examples of this for other phone models:
MyTouch 3G Slide - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=893706
LG GT540 - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1171531
The MyTouch 3G Slide thread is particularly good because it explains in detail how to check the partition sizes, and shows how much space is wasted on the /system partition.
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Don't we have to be s-off to be able to resize the partitions ?
I did it a lot on my HTC Desire.
BTW do you have any idea in which block data and sd-ext are mounted on our device ?
I believe the S-OFF flag exists only in HTC devices. I read that somewhere here, at XDA. The guy seemed to know what he was talking about, and he said LG never implemented any kind of protection like S-ON / S-OFF.
About the block names, I believe you can list the blocks and the partition names they´re mounted as, with the "df" command. I know almost nothing about Linux, and even less about how Android manage it´s partitions, but that would be nice to be able to tweak their sizes...
LG GT540's partitions can easily be resized by flashing an MBN file. Don't know if this phone can get that done too
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1171531
Don't try resizing partitions.
You'll brick your phone.
I know the obvious ans would be to use 4ext superwipe.
What I want is like re-writing those partitions with all memory locations set to zeroes. The 4ext full wipe only works like quick format in windows desktop.
Any ideas how to do it?
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pushpann said:
I know the obvious ans would be to use 4ext superwipe.
What I want is like re-writing those partitions with all memory locations set to zeroes. The 4ext full wipe only works like quick format in windows desktop.
Any ideas how to do it?
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Had to search a bit, but found an article that explains how to do this. It links to 3 apps (havn't tested myself, just remember there's no going back), from the description the first one only works on SD card, the second one might (it does not mention which partitions it formats), and the last one seems to be removed.
I did not read the whole article, but I suggest you do that before doing anything.
Good luck.
pushpann said:
I know the obvious ans would be to use 4ext superwipe.
What I want is like re-writing those partitions with all memory locations set to zeroes. The 4ext full wipe only works like quick format in windows desktop.
Any ideas how to do it?
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Hi,
A RUU will reset everything back to stock, and fix any partition issues.
Is that what you are after?
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Hi,
A RUU will reset everything back to stock, and fix any partition issues.
Is that what you are after?
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As he said, he wants it to be completely formatted, meaning no data can be recovered, which is like a hard full wipe - no way to restore.
RUU does format the data partition, but it only removes records of files, and the data itself is still available and possible to read (until new files will be written over it).
No! I dont want to get involved with RUU stuff.. I just want to completely wipe my phone.. Like complete formatting of the USB drives. All system and data partitions set to zeroes.
In simple words, if you do quick formating on pendrives, you can restore (some or all data before format, depends on what you've put on the drive after format ) using some Data Recovery tools.
What i believe is that recovery just wipes the memory addresses, without putting zeroes on all the memory locations. have been googling for this for almost a week, haven't got any clue yet!
pushpann said:
I know the obvious ans would be to use 4ext superwipe.
What I want is like re-writing those partitions with all memory locations set to zeroes. The 4ext full wipe only works like quick format in windows desktop.
Any ideas how to do it?
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I would do it this way (this is something I came up with, and if it screws up anything, you are responsible) :
Write a script that reformat your nand rom and then dumps (creates) a huge file containing zeroes. Then reformat using 4ext and repartition.
I am curious, why exactly do you want to do this? The lack of results from Google would suggest that this is not something people would normally do.
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I assume you're not going to use the phone after?
If you aren't going to use the phone after, one word. Sledgehammer.
If you are keeping the phone; create a file on the partition filled with rubbish (linux has a command for this). Make sure it fills the entire partition and then run mkfs.ext4 /dev/block/partition. Repeat a dozen times or create a script to do it for you.
It's easier than erasing the whole NAND disk and partitioning it. Mainly because you'll wipe the recovery partition and create an expensive paperweight. Which brings me back to sledgehammer.
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pushpann said:
No! I dont want to get involved with RUU stuff.. I just want to completely wipe my phone.. Like complete formatting of the USB drives. All system and data partitions set to zeroes.
In simple words, if you do quick formating on pendrives, you can restore (some or all data before format, depends on what you've put on the drive after format ) using some Data Recovery tools.
What i believe is that recovery just wipes the memory addresses, without putting zeroes on all the memory locations. have been googling for this for almost a week, haven't got any clue yet!
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On my first commented I linked to an article which gives two ways to wipe your phone (set to zeroes and all). Here are the two apps:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.kovit.p.forevergone
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ch.ethz.infsyssec.sddroid
Try those to see if they format the Data partition.
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I would do it this way (this is something I came up with, and if it screws up anything, you are responsible) :
Write a script that reformat your nand rom and then dumps (creates) a huge file containing zeroes. Then reformat using 4ext and repartition.
I am curious, why exactly do you want to do this? The lack of results from Google would suggest that this is not something people would normally do.
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Hmm.. My phone has become very laggy.. No matter what ROM flash, what firmware I flash.
DennisBold said:
I assume you're not going to use the phone after?
If you aren't going to use the phone after, one word. Sledgehammer.
If you are keeping the phone; create a file on the partition filled with rubbish (linux has a command for this). Make sure it fills the entire partition and then run mkfs.ext4 /dev/block/partition. Repeat a dozen times or create a script to do it for you.
It's easier than erasing the whole NAND disk and partitioning it. Mainly because you'll wipe the recovery partition and create an expensive paperweight. Which brings me back to sledgehammer.
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By hearing what you say, i kinda feel little scared to do these steps. Anyway thanks for the suggestion..
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On my first commented I linked to an article which gives two ways to wipe your phone (set to zeroes and all). Here are the two apps:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.kovit.p.forevergone
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ch.ethz.infsyssec.sddroid
Try those to see if they format the Data partition.
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Those apps dont work.. By internal data they mean internal sdcard not system or data partition.
BTW just saw this app called lagfix. It says it will discard the unused blocks, but doesnot work on my phone.. Has anyone tried it? For me it's saying trim on system,data and cache not supported! DAMN
DennisBold said:
I assume you're not going to use the phone after?
If you aren't going to use the phone after, one word. Sledgehammer.
If you are keeping the phone; create a file on the partition filled with rubbish (linux has a command for this). Make sure it fills the entire partition and then run mkfs.ext4 /dev/block/partition. Repeat a dozen times or create a script to do it for you.
It's easier than erasing the whole NAND disk and partitioning it. Mainly because you'll wipe the recovery partition and create an expensive paperweight. Which brings me back to sledgehammer.
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Yeah, I had similar thoughts. I was going for repartition becasue then the whole of nandroid can be wiped in one go.
To clean the phone, sledgehammer / mowing the device with a car (or both, one after the other) are the best methods.
Here's one more idea. Create a pseudo nandroid backup with all of your nandroid partitions(/system /data /cache etc) filled with garbage/zeroes. Then restore that. And bam, the nandroid is hard formatted (after a quick format of course).
Like always, it's your phone. I am not responsible for anything that you do to it.
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pushpann said:
Hmm.. My phone has become very laggy.. No matter what ROM flash, what firmware I flash.
By hearing what you say, i kinda feel little scared to do these steps. Anyway thanks for the suggestion..
Those apps dont work.. By internal data they mean internal sdcard not system or data partition.
BTW just saw this app called lagfix. It says it will discard the unused blocks, but doesnot work on my phone.. Has anyone tried it? For me it's saying trim on system,data and cache not supported! DAMN
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Tried it yesterday, it's meant for certain devices that did not use the TRIM command like they should (Many Nexus 7 tablets were slowed down by this issue), but it seems the Sensation does not need it (or at least our kernels do not support the command).
What seems as the only way to do so is to create many blank files and delete them (like many already said). you can create a large file and copy it a few times to the Data partition, which will fill it, and then delete it. using a normal file manager will work (or you can use "adb push" command to push the file a couple of times).
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Yeah, I had similar thoughts. I was going for repartition becasue then the whole of nandroid can be wiped in one go.
To clean the phone, sledgehammer / mowing the device with a car (or both, one after the other) are the best methods.
Here's one more idea. Create a pseudo nandroid backup with all of your nandroid partitions(/system /data /cache etc) filled with garbage/zeroes. Then restore that. And bam, the nandroid is hard formatted (after a quick format of course).
Like always, it's your phone. I am not responsible for anything that you do to it.
JAM THAT THANKS BUTTON.
Happy to Help.
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You sure it does complete format while restoring nandroid? BTW i still am not sure how to fill system and data partitions with zeroes or garbage! Anyway thanks for the heads up
pushpann said:
You sure it does complete format while restoring nandroid? BTW i still am not sure how to fill system and data partitions with zeroes or garbage! Anyway thanks for the heads up
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You shouldn't have to worry about formatting empty space. No one ever, except possibly computer forensics is going to want information from an empty phone. They have access to browsing history from Google, call records from your mobile provider and ban access details from your banks. They wouldn't need your phone. There are things that make it hard for the average person. Including mounting the NAND disk in a way that it can be opened like a normal disk drive, and then running the tools to restore data. If someone really wanted data it's possible but they will not go through all that for 500MB of bank details, porn or whatever people do with phones these days. If you're trying to hinder the police because you did something wrong, then you should just stop.
Theoretically it can be done through an android device but cross compiling tools to recover data is long and tedious to do. There is nothing so important that someone would spend hours creating tools for an Android device to restore data that may already be irrevocably gone. Not to mention the learning curve for new software. If you are worried, burn the device and buy something new. That is the general rule for sensitive data. Make sure it's gone before you move on.
It's safe to click "Format all partitions" and then erase your SD card and give your phone away.
If it helps, install Android on top. Choose something big. Most of your application data is stored on your SDCard FYI.
Lastly, if it's lag you are trying to fix. Go backwards with Android not forwards. JellyBean demands more than ICS and ICS demands more than GingerBread. Having the latest OS doesn't work for everyone. For example, Windows 8.1 doesn't work for me because there's no fastboot support without huge editing of system drivers. The same is true in Android. GingerBread stability may be more important than ICS or JB features, or JellyBean features may be more important. However don't expect lag free 4.2 or 4.3, our devices may work with it, but they were never intended to go above 4.1(Ville C2 updates stop there too I think) due to hardware limitations. Others may argue differently, but you should question the effort they're (including me) putting in with kernel and device tree upgrades. It's amazing work nonetheless but it basically shouldn't have to be done if the device were supported. Buy a new device if you want the latest and greatest. My Sensation has become a trophy for me to the amazing things you can do with one of HTCs first dual core phones. I don't expect it to work without some kinks and bugs or even fatal flaws but I still respect it for having running Sense 3.0 to 5.0 (yes I've tried it).
Sorry for the rant. I'm a little bit grumpy, but hope it helps explains why you can mostly erase and install a new version of android then throw the device away and be relatively safe.
There's probably going to be someone who reads all of this and thinks I'm crazy, to that guy or girl. Thanks for reading all of it!
Sent from my HTC
DennisBold said:
You shouldn't have to worry about formatting empty space. No one ever, except possibly computer forensics is going to want information from an empty phone. They have access to browsing history from Google, call records from your mobile provider and ban access details from your banks. They wouldn't need your phone. There are things that make it hard for the average person. Including mounting the NAND disk in a way that it can be opened like a normal disk drive, and then running the tools to restore data. If someone really wanted data it's possible but they will not go through all that for 500MB of bank details, porn or whatever people do with phones these days. If you're trying to hinder the police because you did something wrong, then you should just stop.
Theoretically it can be done through an android device but cross compiling tools to recover data is long and tedious to do. There is nothing so important that someone would spend hours creating tools for an Android device to restore data that may already be irrevocably gone. Not to mention the learning curve for new software. If you are worried, burn the device and buy something new. That is the general rule for sensitive data. Make sure it's gone before you move on.
It's safe to click "Format all partitions" and then erase your SD card and give your phone away.
If it helps, install Android on top. Choose something big. Most of your application data is stored on your SDCard FYI.
Lastly, if it's lag you are trying to fix. Go backwards with Android not forwards. JellyBean demands more than ICS and ICS demands more than GingerBread. Having the latest OS doesn't work for everyone. For example, Windows 8.1 doesn't work for me because there's no fastboot support without huge editing of system drivers. The same is true in Android. GingerBread stability may be more important than ICS or JB features, or JellyBean features may be more important. However don't expect lag free 4.2 or 4.3, our devices may work with it, but they were never intended to go above 4.1(Ville C2 updates stop there too I think) due to hardware limitations. Others may argue differently, but you should question the effort they're (including me) putting in with kernel and device tree upgrades. It's amazing work nonetheless but it basically shouldn't have to be done if the device were supported. Buy a new device if you want the latest and greatest. My Sensation has become a trophy for me to the amazing things you can do with one of HTCs first dual core phones. I don't expect it to work without some kinks and bugs or even fatal flaws but I still respect it for having running Sense 3.0 to 5.0 (yes I've tried it).
Sorry for the rant. I'm a little bit grumpy, but hope it helps explains why you can mostly erase and install a new version of android then throw the device away and be relatively safe.
There's probably going to be someone who reads all of this and thinks I'm crazy, to that guy or girl. Thanks for reading all of it!
Sent from my HTC
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I dont wanna sell my phone and I know that my data isnt that valueable that anyone will try to read my data with hard efforts. My sensation used to perform awesome 2-3 months back, and now that I must have quick formatted my system and data partitions more than 1500 times, i think a full wipe may do some help for those nag n lag issues.
And about going back to GB? Man, Everyone feels GB is sad after using ICS/JB. If my phone doesnot stop lagging every second after I format these partitions, i think its time for a new phone!
Anyway thanks for such a detailed reply
pushpann said:
I dont wanna sell my phone and I know that my data isnt that valueable that anyone will try to read my data with hard efforts. My sensation used to perform awesome 2-3 months back, and now that I must have quick formatted my system and data partitions more than 1500 times, i think a full wipe may do some help for those nag n lag issues.
And about going back to GB? Man, Everyone feels GB is sad after using ICS/JB. If my phone doesnot stop lagging every second after I format these partitions, i think its time for a new phone!
Anyway thanks for such a detailed reply
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The lag isn't from formatting. You can try ARHD ICS if you want. Or probably Sense 4+ with 4.1.2 but anything above that might not work out great.
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pushpann said:
I dont wanna sell my phone and I know that my data isnt that valueable that anyone will try to read my data with hard efforts. My sensation used to perform awesome 2-3 months back, and now that I must have quick formatted my system and data partitions more than 1500 times, i think a full wipe may do some help for those nag n lag issues.
And about going back to GB? Man, Everyone feels GB is sad after using ICS/JB. If my phone doesnot stop lagging every second after I format these partitions, i think its time for a new phone!
Anyway thanks for such a detailed reply
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How old is your Sensation? I could well be that your nand is dying. In that case, repartition your phone and make /system and /data from parts seldom used (like /cache).
If you want data security, full encryption will keep noobs away.
Thanks for the replies guys!
Today i actually did the zeroing of the partitions with Nandroid method.. I download an app called dummy file creator and it created dummy files(files with zeroes all over it. after searching in internet it seemed legit method of fully zeroing out the memory locations) in data partition untill it ran out of memory. Then i copied those files to system partition too manually till it also became full(I had to do this manually because the app didnt support creating dummy files in system partition) and made nandroid of data and system separately then did almost a dozen time 4ext format and restoring the nandroid. Finally i formatted all the partitions and installed Codename Lungo ROM(CM10.1).
HELL YEAH! it feels FASTer. Not sure if its gonna last long.
pushpann said:
Thanks for the replies guys!
Today i actually did the zeroing of the partitions with Nandroid method.. I download an app called dummy file creator and it created dummy files(files with zeroes all over it. after searching in internet it seemed legit method of fully zeroing out the memory locations) in data partition untill it ran out of memory. Then i copied those files to system partition too manually till it also became full(I had to do this manually because the app didnt support creating dummy files in system partition) and made nandroid of data and system separately then did almost a dozen time 4ext format and restoring the nandroid. Finally i formatted all the partitions and installed Codename Lungo ROM(CM10.1).
HELL YEAH! it feels FASTer. Not sure if its gonna last long.
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Just found something and wanted to add - for future reference - Android Tuner seems to be able to make the TRIM operation on all partitions on our sensation, in a much easier way.
pushpann said:
Thanks for the replies guys!
Today i actually did the zeroing of the partitions with Nandroid method.. I download an app called dummy file creator and it created dummy files(files with zeroes all over it. after searching in internet it seemed legit method of fully zeroing out the memory locations) in data partition untill it ran out of memory. Then i copied those files to system partition too manually till it also became full(I had to do this manually because the app didnt support creating dummy files in system partition) and made nandroid of data and system separately then did almost a dozen time 4ext format and restoring the nandroid. Finally i formatted all the partitions and installed Codename Lungo ROM(CM10.1).
HELL YEAH! it feels FASTer. Not sure if its gonna last long.
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Can you guide me? i want to do that but i'm noob . how did you do that? pls help me
BSHD666 said:
Can you guide me? i want to do that but i'm noob . how did you do that? pls help me
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hehe you found it:good:
So, I'm trying to understand how and why the file system acts the way it does.
Example. I have
/sdcard
and this has a bunch of stuff under it
then i have
/sdcard/0
this has some of the same stuff under it as /sdcard, but is a different file system
Why can I not just have a simple file system that I can understand! I seem to have issues with space because sometimes wiping the phone does not wipe the /sdcard/0 so I am working out of /sdcard/0 as opposed to the base of /sdcard
Any help? I am an idiot so explain like I'm 5, if possible.
Thanks in advance.
n0xide said:
So, I'm trying to understand how and why the file system acts the way it does.
Example. I have
/sdcard
and this has a bunch of stuff under it
then i have
/sdcard/0
this has some of the same stuff under it as /sdcard, but is a different file system
Why can I not just have a simple file system that I can understand! I seem to have issues with space because sometimes wiping the phone does not wipe the /sdcard/0 so I am working out of /sdcard/0 as opposed to the base of /sdcard
Any help? I am an idiot so explain like I'm 5, if possible.
Thanks in advance.
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5 year old explanation.
4.3 and above Android systems implement a multi user file setup similar to what Windows and OSx uses. The 0 folder is your account, your significant other could be 1, your dog could be 2, this keeps going depending how many users are registered to the device. It's actual intent is to use multi user on a tablet interface, not a phone, but because jellybean is used on both phones and tablets the file structure is the same.
Normally you don't have to worry about much of this, but if you came from 4.1 jellybean then multiuser wasn't implemented yet. This would double up your data in both places.
To me it sounds like you're OK, it's going to show double files because it's essentially reading the exact same folder, the format isn't going to understand what you're trying to do because it doesn't really know where to look for your data files. Basically, leave your 0 folder alone because that's where your data is supposed to be stored.
Was that 5 year old enough?
Edit: if you format your internal SD card in your recovery, then you'll erase the doubled data, and your folder structure will be repopulated under the 0 folder system. If you're running out of internal storage that's what you should do. Then clean flash the rom of your choice following the format.
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BadUsername said:
5 year old explanation.
4.3 and above Android systems implement a multi user file setup similar to what Windows and OSx uses. The 0 folder is your account, your significant other could be 1, your dog could be 2, this keeps going depending how many users are registered to the device. It's actual intent is to use multi user on a tablet interface, not a phone, but because jellybean is used on both phones and tablets the file structure is the same.
Normally you don't have to worry about much of this, but if you came from 4.1 jellybean then multiuser wasn't implemented yet. This would double up your data in both places.
To me it sounds like you're OK, it's going to show double files because it's essentially reading the exact same folder, the format isn't going to understand what you're trying to do because it doesn't really know where to look for your data files. Basically, leave your 0 folder alone because that's where your data is supposed to be stored.
Was that 5 year old enough?
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Yeah! That's a pretty solid explanation! I couldn't seem to find anywhere that broke it down that way.
So let me ask one more 5 year old question.
I seem to have TONS of space used up on my SD card, that I cannot free up.
I have a 16Gig GSIII, when I attach my phone to windows, I have 7gb free of 12gb. I just wiped system, cache, and dalvik, and have a clean version of Beanstalk 4.4.2.
How am I using 5gb when the OS itself is only, ~199Mb.
Is there anyway to have a completely clean install? Even when I soft bricked, and then revived w/odin and an old kernal, I don't think it was totally clean.
n0xide said:
Yeah! That's a pretty solid explanation! I couldn't seem to find anywhere that broke it down that way.
So let me ask one more 5 year old question.
I seem to have TONS of space used up on my SD card, that I cannot free up.
I have a 16Gig GSIII, when I attach my phone to windows, I have 7gb free of 12gb. I just wiped system, cache, and dalvik, and have a clean version of Beanstalk 4.4.2.
How am I using 5gb when the OS itself is only, ~199Mb.
Is there anyway to have a completely clean install? Even when I soft bricked, and then revived w/odin and an old kernal, I don't think it was totally clean.
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Yup! I just told you in my post edit, left that out by accident.
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BadUsername said:
Yup! I just told you in my post edit, left that out by accident.
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Thanks again! Great answers, and just the info I need!
So, to format it in CWM. I would go to
Mounts and Storage
format /data
or
format /data and /data/media (/sdcard)
i assume I don't touch
format /cache or format /system
and.. last thing I promise, how do I make sure I keep a copy of gaaps and a rom on the sdcard, if I format it?
n0xide said:
Thanks again! Great answers, and just the info I need!
So, to format it in CWM. I would go to
Mounts and Storage
format /data
or
format /data and /data/media (/sdcard)
i assume I don't touch
format /cache or format /system
and.. last thing I promise, how do I make sure I keep a copy of gaaps and a rom on the sdcard, if I format it?
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You can't keep anything on the SD card after formatting, it'll be completely wiped clean, but you should do the second option. Also you should always format system when you clean flash a rom anyway.
I'd use an external SD card to flash the rom from. Alternatively, you could sideload the rom (if you know how). I don't know how.
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this is a AT&T version of Galaxy S, which is captivate.
In setting Storage page, It shows 2 different internal storage, One is about 2-3GB, the other one is 9GB I think. The problem is everytime I flash a custom ROM, it goes in that 2-3GB storage. So I am not able to install a lot of apps. I was wondering if there is anyway I can combine those 2 different storage?
DUHAsianSKILLZ said:
Either you have an SD card or you have two partitions. The os is mostly stored on the smaller one. You can probably move apps to the other storage. Hope this helps!
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newbie here. no sd card in my phone. but could have two partitions. anyway to combine them in to one? I am pretty sure when i got this phone 4 years ago, it only got one partition. but I had tried some different ROMs.
Hi
Thanks for writing to us at XDA Assist. This is normal, the first partition is your system partition, the second partition is your user-accessible partition. They're kept apart for security and safety reasons, if the average user had access to the system partition (root access) they could damage it and render the phone useless. No, you can't combine the two partitions.
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